And the winner is....Updated: Limbaugh and Texas
With Limbaugh telling his peeps to vote for Hillary in Texas and the media suddenly examining the way it's covered Obama--I'm having this little feeling that our media is hoping Clinton wins Ohio and Texas by big enough margins so the primary keeps churning along.
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Limbaugh has been actively urging his Texas listeners to cross over and vote for Clinton in that state's open primary Tuesday, arguing it helps the Republicans if the Democratic race remains unsettled for weeks to come.
"I want Hillary to stay in this…this is too good a soap opera," Limbaugh told fellow conservative talk-show host Laura Ingraham on Fox News Friday. He reiterated the comments on his Monday show and replayed the exchange with Ingram.
Go and vote for your candidate today. I hope we have a winner after tonight so we can focus in on the real problem: McCain and BushCo. and what they have and will do to our country
And as Duncan notes,
I'm too lazy to track down an example right now, but a couple of times I've seen this kind of "they still won't come out for the general election" idea, mostly directed at supposedly young Obama supporters but somewhat across the board. That, needless to say, is beyond absurd.
I think I heard Kinky Friedman on BillO's show say that the old people beat out the youngsters every time. The turnout has been amazing on the Democratic side and will play out this way in the general election and McCrazy will be behind in cash as well.
Rather, I think we're seeing the evidence that the media has decided that Obama is now the presumptive nominee, and having built him up he must be taken down to make the way for St. John McCain (something I wrote about on February 20).
The general election will be decided in the Democratic Primary.
The media certainly wants a Hillary comeback. Not sure what their motive is, besides having ad revenue for the Tuesday night coverage. MSNBC predicts a huge win for Hillary in Rhode Island. It would cetainly put a smile on my face to see it closer than the 5-1 margain they predict. Obama takes Vermont and Ohio. Hilldog takes Texas. We'll see.
“I want Hillary to stay in this…this is too good a soap opera,”
Which of course is much more preferable than say,an honest Democratic process...
Rush you're such a "great American".
Please tell me your were being sarcastic? Please tell me that this was not the first time you realized that many enemies of the Democrats (Rush Limpuke, the MSM and Hillary Clinton) want the Democratic primary to fester on. Hillary is doing a fantastic job destroying the presumptive Democratic nominee but also destroying the Democratic party at the same time. I can't see how her campaign doesn't realize she is dooming Obama's chance in the general, but, oh wait, she even admits that she thinks McCain would be better than Obama. There's party loyalty!
Vermont polls close at 7pm EST. Ohio at 7:30.
Too bad Obama's campaign got reprimanded in both TX and OH for violating election rules and trying to steal the election. Shades of George W. Bush.
Hillary will still be in the running tomorrow, regardless what happens. Her campaign crew has said as much.
kaT @ 6:
Link?
I don't see how she can stay for much longer unless she trounces Obama.
jimbojames @ 4:
Slightly sarcastic. But Hillary is doing what presidential candidates do. She's trying to win and at this point, is getting bitter and negative as her campaign is in its death throes. Not sure if she is becoming an enemy of the party. Dr. Dean would have some very harsh words for her if she started breaking the furniture.
We all know it really about number of delegates won, but the media tonight will take even a 0.00001 percent win by Hillary in any of the contests as a major shift in Clinton's momentum.
ConcernedCanuck @ 8:
Seriously, where did that come from? You'd think a story like that would be all over the news sites, especially today. Is this one of those throw-stuff-against-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks tactics?
Limbaugh's ridiculous comments: Can Texas voters vote twice -- once for a Republican and then again for a Democrat?! If not, I don't see many Republicans getting out to vote for Clinton. Especially given the much lower turnout numbers for the GOP nationally. [I think it has something to do with Bushie depression.]
ConcernedCanuck @ 8:
Lol, oh, come on! You know people don't need proof or anything like that, right?
Heresay: Winning elections since... forever.
Leslie @ 9:
I think her strategy is to stay in regardless in case Obama gets trounced by the Wing Nut MSM.
kaT @ 6:
This kind of habitual misrepresentation by the Clinton campaign is behind my growing disgust with her manipulative spirit. Shades of Rove.
I began this election looking at positions, thinking HRC, Edwards, Obama and others were of good character. I don't believe that anymore. Clinton just keeps on taking the low road and I've lost my respect for her. Go away.
That's it. Hillary is officially dead in the water. It's the curse of the Limbaugh endorsement. What self respecting American could bring themselves to vote for a candidate recommended by that drug-addled gas bag?
http://blog.dispatch.com/primary/2008/03/clinton_obama_camps_see_voting....
More like shades of Clinton inside dirty tricks, oh and a couple of Obama buttons in the polls.
ConcernedCanuck @ 8:
ConcernedCanuck @ 8:
Here you go:
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/4/142712/2196
jimbojames @ 4:
She's not an enemy of the party. You are an enemy of the part for spewing such blatant right wing TPs. A Democratic process where two candidates battle for the nomination where the victor comes out stronger for going through a highly contested Primary.
You would fit nicely in Russia. Go move there.
TimV @ 17:
Same ones that voted for Bush
Robert @ 19:
Oh, and for good measure, here is Hillary's response:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/4/17262/99822
Republicans are such cheaters, and of course have no qualms about it. They've certainly become quite a morally degraded bunch.
Anonymous Source @ 12:
There's this legitimate looking story out there:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/04/ohio_elections_offic...
I'm not sure how you get from there to "stealing the election" but one of the Hillary nuts might explain it for us.
Spicegal @ 23:
Become? They've always been this way they just don't hide it anymore.
Andhakari @ 16:
Wasn't there a post earlier on C&L where Kristol admitted to advising Clinton's campaign to use the Fear/Terror card? No wonder these tactics sound familliar, the neocons are giving her advise.
That's a bit too cynical for me to believe. The media can spin but the voters still do decide. McCain will lose for being a weak candidate, among many other reasons. Go Obama!
Blue Lensman @ 24:
L.A. Confidential @ 21:
Ahem... I did say "self respecting American". The qualifier is important. Bush supporters obviously have low self esteem and the need to defer to someone else's authority. So there goes the "self resepect" part. Hell, even some of the more hard-core NeoCon Bush supporters are borderline treasonous in their rhetoric, so I'm not even sure the "American" part counts for that part of the 25%-ers.
Robert @ 19:
Seems more like a "Hillary has to win this, and so we will make she does" story.........
McCain is the enemy.
Back on topic: You can bet your bottom dollar that just about everyone in the MSM and the GOP is praying for a HRC victory tonight.
My plan is to make National Election Days a DAY OFF FROM Work.
I mean something as important as a Presidential election and people have to go to work?
How fair is that?
Dhalgren @ 2:
Their motive is the same as it always is when they're hawking for the Republicans, for war, for the wrong side of wedge issues:
They need viewership, they need conflict, the need public interest, they need drama. That's all it is.
John Amato @ 31:
McBush on Steroids and Mind Altering Medications. Dangerous.
John Amato @ 31:
Hard to tell sometimes John. Is Hillary a Dem? That part too sure seems hard to tell.
John Amato @ 31:
Exactly. And the ongoing pencil fight between HRC and Obama IS yielding dividends.
Robert @ 28:
Doesn't sound much like "stealing" an election to me.
L.A. Confidential @ 33:
Some have argued that not making Election Day a holiday is a way of limiting the poor/working-class vote. I use to dismiss it as pure tin-hat conspiracy theory, but after the last 8 years I'm starting to believe it.
ConcernedCanuck @ 30:
Yes, one person's experience at one polling facility speaks to the entirety of the state. And, there is a vast conspiracy in Ohio government to push Hillary through... Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
Robert @ 40:
Actually, it's Hillary's camp that is saying there are irregularities, so who is pushing a conspiracy?
The way I understand it (dodgy, that) Texas allows voting for any Party in the primary, but you're stuck with that Party for the rest of the year. So let the ReThugs vote for Hill, then they can stay home in Nov.
Republicans try to throw an election? Get outta town - this is the party of values and grown-ups. (Snark)
McPain is, indeed, the enemy. But Hillary and Obama aren't friends. Their pitiful health care ideas, pushing us into the arms or insurance corporations, simply suck BIG TIME. Everybody talks about change. But real change? I don't mean to be a naysayer but I'm not thinking there is going to be that much change. Not even in Iraq. I hope I'm wrong.
Dhalgren @ 2:
Funny how Obamanites get away with what is clearly misogynist rhetoric like "hilldog" and bitch, witch, etc. but if it were racial slurs they'd get banned....and quickly.
Just sayin.
I voted for Hillary today . (Ohio)
If she wins Texas and Ohio this campaign is over for Obama.
He lost his shiny new coat and the vetting finally happened. He isnt God afterall.
Hillary voters rejoice at the limp bag of anal cystian, draft dodging, Dominican Republic sex tour taking, hillbilly heroin popping, bloviating gas bag Rush Limbaugh!
Rejoice!
Coulter wants to vote for her!
Limbaugh wants to vote for her!
Rah rah, siss boom bah!
Obama takes Vermont according to Drudge. Damn, can't believe I just did that.
The Vermont polls should be closing soon....
Fuck that. I'm tired of seeing Shillary's smirking toad face. She's a another DINO [deleted. over the top, take it down a notch. sitemonitor ]
Have you all seen this story about Obama's skin appearing way darker in a new Hillary attack ad?
Seems to me this has Mark Penn's grubby little paw prints all over it...
Well, I suppose turnabout is fair play. After all Democrats were urged to vote for Mitt Romney in Michigan to keep things stirred up. It sucks but that's the way it is. Having Hillary in the race helps Rush's ratings. He's got decades worth of material to bash her on, whereas he'd have to make up new stuff to bash Obama.
Obama has a blowout in Vermont! [per TPM]
ConcernedCanuck @ 41:
Whoever works in the Make it up Stream Media that wants to. No one ever investigates where these things come from or originated.
c. atrox @ 44:
You're not. Hillary and Obama are one and the same...centrist corporate whores. Their just our whores so they're cheered.
Oh, TPM also says the early polls are showing the race is dead even in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island. The early polls could be off....
ERGH, I'm nervous...
On a fundamental level I agree that the so-called "soap opera" could be hurting both of these excellent candidate's efforts. Both Clinton and Obama have provided enough information for voters to distinguish the two. It is my considered opinion that rather than campaigning against each other at this point they would do themselves a service to begin to derail the "straight talk express" which becomes more and more bent out of shape on a daily basis. I know that both want to win the election but stopping McCain is paramount. Focusing their campaigns on "why I'm better and he/she is worse" takes away from the ultimate message that McCain is Bush and haven't we had enough of that!
Leslie @ 53:
Expected blowout.
Are you posting scores tonight John?
Johnny2Bad,
The Dems may be corporate whores like the GOP, but I'd still rather sit on the Dem side of the table.
The media is giving HIllary a break to make this close? LOL That is a total pathetic statement not founded in any form of fact. I am a precinct captain for Hillary and we were issued statements from the Texas Democratic Party today saying Obama has told voters to fill the forms out even if they can not attend the caucus. Where is the media on that story? The day Hillary get treated the same as Obama in the media is the day I vote for McCain. Do not worry Dems- that will never happen.
Do you think Saturday Night Live skit that everyone is talking about was pure fiction or based on a little bit of reality?
GO HILLARY
Well obviously with 24 hour news cycles to fill, the media doesn't need a whole lot of reasons to want the HRC/Obama race to continue.
As for the accusations of dirty tricks, if you accuse one side of doing them without thinking your side is doing them you're either a hypocrite or naive.
rend @ 59:
We'll be posting Jamie's primary bracket very soon so you'll be able to track the results as they come in.
Leslie @ 60:
Didn't I just say that? Think I Did.
L.A. Confidential @ 54:
Nice site of bloggers on the ground here:
http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/
Hillary will win both Ohio and texas easily.
Shes got the momentum and Obama is in a death spiral
Johnny2Bad,
And I made my own statement.
Leslie @ 56:
Do like I do - two fingers of your preferred on the rocks. Then, sit back and pray that Tweety gives KO a reason to rip him a new one.
What puzzles me about Clinton (and the media) using the "big state" argument as an indication that she could carry them in the general is this: Did anybody tell her that this is a primary and that Democrats are voting in these big states, and that in the general election, everybody gets to vote? Also missing from the analysis are the margins of victory Obama achieved with his wins, and her narrow victories in the large states she achieved with hers. But why should we let analysis get in the way of spin?
I hope Hillary has her concession speech ready for later tonight.
pete @ 47:
If you believe that I have a bridge for sale you may be interested in.
keith @ 66:
At the risk of being repetitive, time to have those dosages checked again, keith!
I know that Larry Flynt has been exposing politicians in his magazine and on his website www.larryflynt.com. Maybe now we need him to investigate Rush’s secrets. I guess it might not matter he had enough drugs to kill all of Los Angeles and did not go to jail.
I'm in Texas and what I'm hearing on the radio is NOBODY is voting Republican, they are all doing what Rush tells them (as they always do) and voting for Clinton. The local talk radio stations callers are reporting that in counties that vote 90% republican, the lines for Democratic primary voting have 40 people in them and the Republican line has 1. Seriously, counties like Williamson (notoriously conservative) are running out Democratic primary ballots.
But they are allowed to vote Republican in the general election. So rather then bother voting since McCain has the nomination, they are making sure Clinton wins artificially. What a joke.
A relative of mine (Republican) voted for Clinton because he thinks she's beatable.
Maybe Limbaugh meant Ohio, not Texas? Because TPM reports that a lot of Republicans are crossing the line to vote Democratic, and they're tending toward Hillary.
Is it just me, or are we all falling for one big (well planned) trap? I don't think the MSM is supporting Clinton or Obama and I sure as hell don't think one is getting preferential treatment over the other. What we are seeing is a tiered level of information coming out. On the surface, the high-level news organizations (e.g. the MSM) pick out the "flaws" of each candidate. A majority of the time, this ends up being attack by innuendo and suggestions that one candidate is attacking the other when often the comments are taken out of context. So this sets up the framework of a fight. Then the outer rims of the blogosphere and talk radio jump in and push this like kids chanting at brewing fight in a schoolyard. Each encouraging the other side to take something out of context.
However, the end goal of this facade is the same. THIS IS ALL MEANT TO PIT US AGAINST EACH OTHER AS A PARTY AND IT'S WORKING!!!! El Rushbo wants us to fight. The NeoCons want drag this out to the convention. When we give them this little intra-party war, they win.
Pete&Pete says:But they are allowed to vote Republican in the general election. So rather then bother voting since McCain has the nomination, they are making sure Clinton wins artificially. What a joke.
So, even if she were to win of her own accord, people will just say Rush made her win?
If Hillary Stays in the Race Past Tuesday: Time to Cough Up the Tax Returns - Daily Kos
CNN just projected Obama in Vermont.
keith @ 66:
I'm not saying I know who will win, but I'm thinking you don't know what 'momentum' means.
Rush has come face-to-face with the reality that he is impotent at getting Republicans to vote for conservatives, so to deal with his cognitive dissonance he has entered into a fantasy world where he can take credit for getting out the Clinton vote.
Orangutan. @ 79:
Why hasn't she?
I'm only repeating what I've heard on the local conservative talk radio shows, with floods of callers bragging about their vote for Hillary.
Let me just reiterate: Texas has an open primary. The avalanche of Democratic votes in Texas only means the Republicans are trying to prolong the Clinton/Obama 'soap opera'. The numbers will be huge for Democrats in Texas, but it will be a very different story in the general election. I hope I turn out to be wrong.
Maybe Rush getting Hillary votes is nothing more than, "Hey, she's just like a Republican, so if we lose the general election we still win"???
Canuck,
Hillary said she'd make her tax returns public if she wins the nomination.
It's entertainment at this point. Entertainment means money for the corporate media. It also a right wing strategy to keep the Dem contest going. Hopefully it'll be over soon and a weak McCain will have to face Senator Obama much sooner rather than later.
Is it true that Bill Clinton was on the limbuagh show this morning as reported on MSNBC ABOUT 10 MINUTES AGO (6:55 PM). I hope not beacause if is true there is no way that is wife will get my vote. WTF is Bill Clinton all about?
We have a new thread with the primary bracket posted above now.
Leslie @ 86:
Hasn't everybody already done that? Why hasn't she already? Is she planning on showing something she thinks will hurt her campaign selection?
This is really disgusting!
pete @ 47:
But then again...
Joe Wilson doesn't want him.
Larry Johnson doesn't want him.
Paul Krugman doesn't want him.
Whoo Hoo.
Clinton or Obama, whats the difference? The only way we are going to take back this country is create a third party, the Constitutional party. A party that mirrors who we our and what America should be and once was. Support and defend the Constitution. Abide by the rule of law. Government for the people by the people. Freedom of religion and from religion. Honor our international obligations and treaties. Habeas corpus for all. The members of the greatest generation who fought and died in WW II must be wondering why they made the ultimate sacrifice. They helped defeat the Germans, Japanese and the Italians. They built a war machine. They rebuilt Europe and Japan. We can't even rebuild New Orleans! We need to replace all our elected officials with ones who will support and defend our Constitution. We need to eliminate corporate sponsorship of government. We need to take back America.
M @ 93:
Umm, you mean, this Constitution Party?
Hispanic turnout in TX. has been huge, favoring Hillary. If she wins TX. and Ohio she will stick in the race, and like her or not, she is too ambitious to throw in a towel after inhaling her husbands intoxicating aroma of power for 8 years. She's sneaky and will use any trick in the book to wiggle her way into a draw, where she hopes she can outmanuever Obama.
Hell, I almost agree with Flush Limpballs, it is good soap opera
Hi all, delurking for a moment.
I can tell most of the folks here on C&L are all riled up for Obama, and that's cool, but I just don't understand how so many here (and everywhere, it seems) are calling this race over, acting like Clinton is ruining the party by staying in the race. They're neck n neck, as far as I can tell -- why in the world would she drop out now? Just to martyr herself? Half the dems who've voted so far think she's the better choice. Now, if she were to lose miserably today, that would be a different story.
Rush can blabber on all he wants -- let's not decide what's right for us based on the rantings of a lunatic.
RoRo @ 96:
Right, but I think the problem posed by this thread is that if Hillary wins (even enough to stay in the race) because of Republican rigging like this, then it doesn't truly reflect the will of the party. That's what we're afraid of. Of course, that may be giving Rush too much credit, but after Florida 2000 I doubt nothing.
Horseshit. I'm sick of these attempts to fuck with people's minds .. "Be afraid if [insert dem candidate here] is the nominee, the republican machine will destroy us!!" . Not this time. But I do wish the we get a nominee tonight. Speaking of... I'm about to take a caucus....a huge healthy one.
TimV -- The party so far has said that about half of the dems prefer Sen. Clinton. There are a lot of factors, like the Hispanic vote and the fact that Texas has a long history of electing strong dem women to public office, that could go into the win. Rush is an ass (we can agree here, right?), and it totally plays right into what he's trying to do to say that any win for Hillary today would be because of him.
it's the same reason why sports writers and announcers always favor new stadiums, league expansions and the rest: more jobs for themselves, more money. They could care less about the poor working stiffs who end up paying the grossly inflated bills. Ditto our msm: more work, more time in the spotlight and chance to make a name, and zero nada zip concern for the truth or the country.
RoRo @ 99:
Oh... I completely agree with you. I don't want to diminish Hillary's progress thus far as I have a lot of friends who are Hillary supporters and I actually think that until a few weeks ago, she was running a great campaign. Any win for Hillary tonight is not going to be a Lieberman Win (where the GOP saves you).
But as I said, this thread is just a dialog on how this can be corrupted by nefarious tactics. I'm not saying it IS being corrupted right now... unless Rush's followers are far more prolific and dogmatic than I thought. Just how it can be.
As opposed to the tragic comedy known as the Chimpy presidency you stupid fat bastard , that will continue in "reruns" if McInsane is elected ?
John Amato @ 31:
And we have 460+ ways of saying so...
Monday's contributions to the McAKAlist, in 'high' definition:
and
The entire current (as of Friday 12:01 am PST) McAKA List – alphabetized for easier reference:
Why is everyone falling for Limbaugh's BS spin? Doesn't anyone even remember about 6 months ago, Rush declared that Hillary would be our next President. He was certain of it. He's just playing games. Then when he said he hated McCain and would vote for Hillary, he caught a lot of grief from the GOP base. Now he's acting as if it was just a game all along. And even here on C&L, John is following Limbaugh/Drudge's lead.
These Republican pigs were savaging Hillary over a year ago and have been all but silent on Obama. It sickens me that the Obama supporters have welcomed these disgusting misogynistic personal attacks. Every time I have debated with an Obama supporter, they pull out the "but Hillary is a bitch (dyke, whore, Billary, Hitlery, etc...). I honestly feel Obama will be the Democratic nominee because it is trending that way. But I will have a very hard time supporting him because of the absolute vicious vitriol that has been slung at Hillary.
StirFry @ 98:
Hi SF!
lol, well said, in a wocky sort of way. Glad you're feeling moved by all of this...hope everything comes out alright, lol. Not the first time you've made me up-chuckle.
;-}
YOUR CANDIDATE SUCKS!
...Not only sucks, but will destroy the Democratic party!!!
OMG AND ITS ALL RUSH"S FAULT!!!
(can I puke now?)
All I can say is the bitch will never see the white house with the shit she and the republicans are pulling and if she does not understand what I mean, she will in due time so she had better party hardy.
She will learn that there is nothing to be gained by lying, cheating and stealing and if we wanted a republican, we would just assume vote for a real one.
ConcernedCanuck @ 83:
Why are any body's tax returns the business of anyone but the IRS. Post yours first if you feel otherwise.
Johnny2Bad @ 45:
I thought Hill-dog was a term of endearment. I guess how you could take it to be offensive. I am sometimes called B-dog, for example.
Proud2bHumble @ 105:
May it taper to a satisfactory conclusion.
Peter G @ 109:
She is a public official and public officials have to do that to ensure no corruption. I think it is totally acceptable to expect it. Afterall, she is supposed to be an employee of the taxpayer is she not?
ConcernedCanuck @ 112:
That's why they have blind trusts up here as well as in the states to prevent conflicts of interest and there is no legal obligation to reveal such personal information. No one has a right to expect it. Challenging an opponent to reveal it is a popular tool of demagogues. Personally I hope she stands on her rights and tells them to get stuffed. Rights, even rights of privacy are lost when they are not exercised.
StCyrlyMe2 @ 108:
That's all you needed to say in order for those %82'ers of us who'd vote for either HRC or O, to completely tune you out.
Site Monitor should delete these kinds of misogynist posts.
(ps: your candidate still sucks, and will destroy the democratic party)
[Deleted and banned-again. Sitemmonitor]
fyi: CNN is reporting that 10% of voters in the democratic primaries in OH and TX are republican: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/04/exit-polls-in-key-states...
Bob @ 116:
I switched parties to vote for Ron Paul in California, to "game" the outcome here. There were many MANY of us that did the same, and in the end it really doesn't make any difference at all. To think that hordes of droves of gaggles of Republicans would flock to vote (D) because Rush told them to, is insanity.
Peter G @ 109:
The real question is "why does anyone care about Hillary's tax returns?"
I think the answer is these people see conspiracy around every corner. I'm sure they're the same ones who think Bush planted explosives at WTC7, Elvis is still alive, and Bigfoot is currently out hunting for pick-a-nick baskets.
If you're sincerely curious to see who gets money from whom, go check opensecrets(dot)org. They have all the deets from the FEC.
Next Nov. the media will ensure McInsane is elected to the Presidency.
Traitor Hillary already stated she and McInsane has more experience than Obama.
Thats another reason why she has lost my vote FOR EVER!!
First it was "No one but Hillary" on all the news media, they had SELECTED her as Our Nominee, with Obama the "naive, newbie nobody" and the sneering questions about "When's he gonna start CAMPAIGNING??" Then the people started to VOTE, as Jon Stewart so simply and beautifully phrased it. Obama shot forth, became the favorite, the winner, the "amazing thing," the Great American Hope that we've wanted for so, so long. The media had to back-pedal fast, pretend to have been with Obama "all along!" Then comes the whine from Hillary that Obama's getting a free ride from the press, haha. Meanwhile, it looks like unless Hillary wins "Texas and Ohio by HUGE, ass-kicking margins," she is FINISHED. Suddenly, though, it got obvious that she wouldn't win these, so the bar was quickly lowered AGAIN. NOW, she only has to win Ohio, and only by a squeaker, to stay in the race--and dinky little Ohio has become the only state that matters, period!
Fuck us. Fuck us all, is all I got to say. She does not lose. She's like me when I was a kid of 9. If my 8-year-old brother started to beat me at a game of checkers, I'd flip the board. If that didn't show him, I'd bury the board in the back yard or at the bottom of a trash can. But gee, I was only 9.
And about her claim to "experience." This is so bogus! I feel sorry for her, for how badly she wants this, but then I remember how it felt to me, watching my favorites--Biden, Richardson, Dodd, KUCINICH--eliminated one by one, like swatted flies, to make way for Her Highness whom I consider a NAIVE, NEWBIE NOBODY, but whom the press has already long-since CROWNED.
If she loses, as she should, she can look to the better men who "lost" before her, and know she's not alone in knowing how it feels. She has no business being POTUS. She only WANTS it.
Volum @ 117:
Oh! Well then, since you were only "gaming" the system, that makes is OK.
motorfingaz @ 119:
Wow, I'm sure she's real upset that "motorfingaz" isn't going to vote for her! OH NOES!!!
Again, as atrios so eloquently puts it: "Your Candidate Sucks"
Now shut up and vote.
(puke, puke, puke)
Bob @ 121:
I was gaming the GOP outcome in favor of a very fringe candidate who has no chance in hell of winning, in a state that is overwhelmingly Democratic.
Since my vote doesn't count anyway, may as well trash it in style!
Here's the answer to this completely ridiculous thread:
"I am a conservative, and I usually vote Republican. I also regularly listen to Rush Limbaugh, and I usually agree with him.
But why in the name of all that's holy would you cast a vote simply because a radio talk show host told you to?
Are these people actually voting for someone simply because Rush instructed them to do so? I can't believe it. I have more faith in the autonomy of the average human's opinions."
THE END
Rushin Limbaugh, take some more pills you fat slob.
IF obama does squeak thru and win watch the republicans finally give this country all the dirt on obama. About Auchi financing his Illinois campaigns. About Auchi arranging financing for his million dollar plus mansion. And about obama trying to get Auchi a visa after he had been banned from visiting the United States.
The MSM and the viagra popping male webmasters of all the sites and blogs posted over and over and over and over about Bill Clinton arranging for a foreign business man to meet with some business heads here and the guy donated MONEY TO THE AIDS CAMPAIGN.
Auchi DONATED MONEY TO OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN...no where not one place has any of the MSM reported any of this. Of course the British have they aren't scared of the crooks in this country who are pushing to put the biggest crook of all obama in office.
And how about the obama campaigners trying to stop people from voting in Ohio. I didn't think it would be long before his roving gangs starting doing this. It's all over the news sites. And how about them sneaking in and getting people to sign cacus sheets for obama and they not even having to show up. As far as winning states where you vote he and Hillary are about even..where he steals the votes is the caucus. I guess renzko and Auchi had it all set up, but then renzko got caught and won't be able to take advantage of what he has done for obama.
Nothing says totalitarian like a willful attempt to undermine democracy in ones own country.
CD @ 127:
I think I saw that written on someones locker in highschool. Next to "skateboarding is not a crime".
Blue Lensman @ 37:
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The repig gas-bag Limbaugh was much more EXPLICIT: shillary is doing repigs DIRTY job on Obama:
"" He also said Clinton is more willing than the Republican National Committee and John McCain’s campaign to criticize Barack Obama.
“We need Barack Obama bloodied up politically. It’s obvious that the Republicans are not going to do it, they don’t have the stomach for it,” ……. I want our party to win I want the Democrats to lose.”
Volum @ 128:
Is that supposed to be a complement or an insult?
I was kinda wondering if that was one of their dastardly evil plans: One they probably really don't like McCain-he's too "liberal" for these people, but two, they want Hillary and Obama to keep duking it out and hopefully people will become divided. Then too-liberal but at least he's a Republican McCain will have an easier time come election time.
We as Progressives need to unite and vote for the candidate that has the momentum and can really give us some change. I for one am voting for Obama.
John Amato @ 31:
McCain and Hillary are two sides of the same coin. Democrats are not good by mear virtue of being Democrats. Hillary has run a disgusting campaign and you'll have to forgive me if I feel she will be GWB 2. This time in a pantsuit with a D next to her name.
limbaugh got his wish. get ready for 4 more years of republican rule. clinton and obama will divide the dems enough for john wayne mccain to conquer. ugh...
Wait wait......wow I had no clue Rush was in Florida....gah why do I live here? Got Ann Coulter and Rush
John.
When you say " I hope we have a winner after tonight so we can focus in on the real problem: McCain and BushCo. and what they have and will do to our country" all you are really saying is that you hope Obama is crowned tonight.
Clinton would have no chance to seal any deal tonight, but media freaks like Jonathan Alter have been calling for Clinton to take her millions of votes and go away.
Personally I hope that the contest goes on because I think that Obama is a severely flawed candidate.
I think McCain, coupled with the media, will dispense with Obama easily.
I think that Clinton could beat McCain convincingly.
You may think that Obama would do better against McCain. That is your opinion.
I think you are wrong and ending the contest at this time would leave too many unanswered questions.
I also think that the reason the evils of the Bush years haven't been addressed much recently is because
people began to urge Obama to go negative. And there he went.
The media went right with him.
RUSH RUSH XANADU RUSH RUSH
In Oxycontin did you, Rush Limbaugh
With hypocrite-sheathed debasement
Mock these tremors in crippling jest.
And through politico-rant, sat it down,
Swaying and twisting in foolish disrespect.
So within this image we’ve found
The brazen bully bent and heaving,
Contempt emblazoned, red cheeked
Where blossomed his pain relieving
And thrust the truth back upon him.
O! His cavernous vile soul is slanted,
Slipping toward the aural hole of anguish;
A beastly grotto as evil and as violated
As the servitude to an empire’s dominion.
And from this abyss, with swaying havoc mad,
As if his words and shifting were child’s play,
He rages that a potent pill untaken what caused
Such feigned extension; an act, an actor, a fake!
Amid a swift and swaying disease a script is penned;
Progressed shaking and incurable neurological cues
Slowness, rigidity, tremors beneath a hopeless flail.
You Goddamned cretin! You bile crammed carcass
Wrenching your addiction across the air and ear,
Years now, tormenting even those who’ve died for you!
Your fans are desolation’s addicts, you, their conduit!
This loudness now reached measureless despicability
And sunk into tumult upon your self-seeking airwave,
And we’ve heard, been witness of your disgrace,
Now a crippling tremor setting fire within our stillness;
Inexorable Goddamned torrent of swaying hell shaking us all!
So within this image we’ve found
The brazen bully bent and heaving,
Contempt emblazoned, red cheeked
Where blossomed his pain relieving
And Thrust the truth back upon him...
Hittin’ the road, Jack,”and I ain’t comin’ back no more no more no more no more”…
“Last word, freak.” - Melvin Udall
out
My lady friend E. voted for Hillary because she doesn't like Obama. She feels that "he'll promote African-Americans at the expense of whites." I should explain that my theory is, people can't get along well if they are 180 on (1) politics, (2) sex, and (3) religion. We don't agree on 2 1/2 of them, but we agree to disagree. She plans to vote for McPain in the fall. It doesn't make any difference. She helped Hillary win Texas. That's what counts. Any Dem can beat McPain in the general election. We're tired of war. We're tired of lies. We're tired of Bushes. Nuff said.
These two are supposed to be adults?
And they make claim to being the top GOP leades ?
The stuttering dry drunk in office could do as well as the oxycotin and viagra crazed radio child.
Thank goodnes tht these type of people feel scared into living in their gated communities. That way they are not running around the adult areas. Make them stay in their palypins.....................
A lot of republicans in Texas voted for Hillary because they think she'll be easier to beat than Obama. Throw in good ole southern bigotry for extra measure, and what do ya get, another frickin Republican president. America is too stupid to learn from their past mistakes. After all, this is the country that gave moron George a second term. They talk about wanting change, then they'll turn around a put granpa moses in the WH, the guy who wants 100 more years of war, tax cuts for the rich, and more conservative judges. This is the country that votes against its own economic best interest, including tax cuts for the wealthy and a SCOTUS that will chisel away at their individual rights. This is the country that stands by and says nothing while our leaders condone torture and illegal wiretapping. This is the country that will continue to watch it's infrastructure crumble while the rich build gated communities and their own private playgrounds. This is the country that can stand by and watch our economy tank and still insist that Reagan's absurd "trickle down" economic theories work for average Americans and that Republicans are better for the economy. Who's economy would that be - China, the guys who own our debt? I feel like I've been in despair and angst over the state of this country the past 7 years. At rare moments I've felt hopeful, but this is not one of them. I guess if history and human nature tells us anything, we will likely have to hit rock bottom before we find the good sense and will to crawl out of the massive hole we've dug and will continue to dig by putting Republicans in office. If I were much younger, I would be looking for a way to leave the country because I think this is going to get a lot uglier before it ever gets better.
Limbaugh's tactics are designed to prop up John McCain.
Pure and simple.
Why else draw out the Democratic contest? Why else draw what amounts to 'protest votes' against republican John McCain and aim them at Hillary. Obama has traction and Hillary doesn't. Instead of letting her run die by the side of the road, keeping it alive will only help McCain as the GOP focuses on McCain and the Democrats continue their fighting and become more of a distraction than a viable candidate.
In this land of the Bush rat fucking, the last thing we need is more help in them portraying the Democratic party as a circus sideshow...
I work for a major oil company in Houston (not exactly a bastion for the Democratic party). I can name at least 4 people that sit around me who openly admitted that they were going to vote for Hillary in hopes that she would win, The strategy being in their mind that McCain will then win the general election.
My co-worker, who sits next to me, has a brother serving in Iraq and has real concerns about his family and his families future, and it sickens me that there are Republicans who are crossing the line to thwart the democratic process, and yes it sickens me when Democrats do it as well.
yeah, the real story here is not be obama media relative to clinton media, it's GOP/corporate media vs. democracy.
with the GOP nomination nomination done and talk radio focused back on it's primary goal of swiftboating whoever the DEM candidate will be, the republican-owned corporate media could get back to electing a republican, and at the same time keep media income up by making sure the DEM fight keeps going.
how many hillary voters were republicans inspired by limbaugh and co to vote against the black guy? they have been working on that for weeks but the republican voters were still worried about their nominee v mccain- until now.
I know two Repubs in my office who voted for Hillary. This morning's local talk show featured conservative caller after caller who voted for Hillary. I guess as long as one wore a flag pin on their lapel such a disingenuous vote would not be considered "unpatriotic." Then I get to my office this morning and see how many Texas health programs are being cut in 2008 and 2009 - brain injury, mental health services, child services, and a 2% across-the-board cut. And get this - bioterrorism. Texas, the huge porous border state, having bioterrorism programs cut. My wife is Canadian - if McCain wins in November we WILL be moving to the Great White North.
IF SHE WINS I WILL VOTE REPUBLICAN
IF HE WINS I WILL VOTE REPUBLICAN
i am an EDWARDS democrat and since MY LITTLE CANDIDATE didn’t win the primary i’m going to take my balls and go home and cry and pout and kick the floor, holding my breath until i turn colors and mommy comes in to rub my back and tell me it will all be okay
IT IS NO WONDER THE CRYBABY DEMOCRATS CAN’T WIN AN ELECTION…
… THEY RUN HOME AND DON’T VOTE IF THEY DON’T GET THEIR ITSY BITSY WAY
BOO HOO HOO….. TIME TO CALL THE WAAAAAAMBULANCE!!!
as disgusting as limbaugh is, he does state the truth in this instance. the longer the dems have two candidates vying for the top slot and throwing mud at one another the better for the republicans. it's absolutely incredible to me that mccain who pushed the company line would even be considered a viable candidate by the republican side. yet, america's heartland is not exactly known for its discerning view or its intellect. once a candidate is settled upon, hopefully, barack, since hillary is being touted so much by the right, then it's up to the left to get its marching boots on. there needs to be a get out and vote campaign like no other before it. every young person, every person of color, every liberal thinking american needs to not only vote, but campaign heavily to ensure this cancer is cut out from the body of this country. THE WORLD IS WATCHING. And the world is a hell of a lot smarter than the majority of the american people who supported bush cheney.
i listened to obama's speech in san antonio last evening. it was probably a rerun, but what started out as a rehash of MLK's speeches, "from the green hills of vermont to the shores of the carolinas..." actually turned into quite an inspirational speech. he does have charisma, but more importanly, he has the moxie to turn it on when he needs to. i can see him going at mccain in every respect and leaving that past him prime candidate wondering where he is. mccain is viewed as american hero because of vietnam and his time spent in a prison camp. more emphasis should be placed on his reluctance to fight back against the bush rove slime machine. RATHER THAN FIGHT BACK, HE JOINED THEM. That should be the primary theme of the campaign. the strategists behind barack really need to get together to devise a viable plan. there will be no excuse for being swift boated once again. know that that side will use any device any criminal activity they can get away with to ensure that their candidate wins. this election is not against mcain, it will be against the rove slime machine. make no mistake, he is still there and he is strategizing. and he has the media in his pocket.
It's a good thing Limbaugh is only suggesting IN TEXAS that Repub. there cross over and support Hillary - if he had done it in Ohio, he would have been guilty of encouraging listeners to commit election fraud. We have a law here that if you cross over party lines in a primary, you must sign a statement that says you must agree to support the principles of the chosen party, and if you don't, you have committed a 5th degree felony. I'm a presiding judge in my precinct, and I saw several people who chose to vote Democratic and made comments to the effect that they were certainly not Democrats, that they were just doing it to screw someone else. One guy, after signing his statement and voting Democratic, asked if he could then change back! I was not the one he made the comment to, if I had been, i would have informed him he had just broken the law. Oh well, if those faux-Dems wanted to waste their votes, that's their business, but Karma will make up for i t- in the next two years, they're going to be deluged with Democratic fund-raising pleas and Dems knocking on their doors and asking for help, etc. i bet they don't ever do that again!
Um, isn't this a strategy that Kos endorsed in Michigan?
Limbaugh is disgusting, pathetic, he makes me nauseous
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