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Obviously, it’s early March. We’re nowhere near knowing who the Democratic nominee is going to be, and the candidates have barely begun trying to destroy one another. The Republican Attack Machine is still sharpening its fangs. The Republican nominee is just now starting to consolidate his party’s various factions.

But with all of those caveats in mind, John McCain nevertheless starts the general election phase of the campaign at a decided disadvantage.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) kicks off his general-election campaign trailing both potential Democratic nominees in hypothetical matchups, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) leads McCain, who captured the delegates needed to claim the Republican nomination Tuesday night, by 12 percentage points among all adults in the poll; Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) holds a six-point lead over the GOP nominee. Both Democrats are buoyed by moderates and independents when going head to head with McCain and benefit from sustained negative public assessments of President Bush and the war in Iraq.

A lot can and will change over the next eight months, but this national poll points to a landscape that isn’t favorable to McCain at all. Americans are deeply unsatisfied with the war in Iraq and a faltering economy — and the GOP candidate is on the wrong side of both.

And then there’s the awkward subject of McCain’s age.

It hasn’t really drawn too much interest in the campaign, at least not yet, but McCain, at age 72, would be the oldest president ever elected. Americans don’t seem to love the idea. For example, poll respondents were told that Hillary Clinton would be the first female president. 20% said that makes them more enthusiastic about her candidacy, while 11% said less. They were told that Barack Obama would be the first African-American president. 16% said that makes them more enthusiastic about his candidacy, while 11% said less. And when told about McCain’s age, 4% said that makes them more enthusiastic about his candidacy, while 27% said less.

Certain fundamentals in this campaign can shift in the coming months, but McCain isn’t going to get any younger.

McCain also appears to have an ideological problem: “McCain is losing three in 10 conservatives to either Obama or Clinton, far more than he likely could stand to see slip away. Democratic presidential candidates since 1988 have won 15 to 20 percent of conservatives, not 30 percent.”

On a related note, 56% of Americans said Obama is “about right” ideologically, while only 41% said the same of McCain.

As for the Dems, the fight over electability will surely continue unabated. In general, most recent polling shows Clinton and Obama leading McCain in general-election match-ups, and in nearly every instance, Obama enjoys a stronger margin. The WaPo/ABC poll is no exception — Clinton beats McCain by six; Obama beats McCain by 12. Make of this what you will.

Bottom line: assuming Dems play it smart in the coming months, the party has to be considered the favorite to win the White House. Of course, the likelihood of these guys playing it smart is remote, so I’ll keep my optimism in check.

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Nick's picture

First, you whores

deezus's picture

If Democrats lose this election, we deserve to lose.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

I'm sure that a press release will be put out by the McCain campaign stating that he is now using Dick Cheney's doctor.

Perhaps the GOP will schedule a televised full medical exam of McCain on FOX News, including up close and personal segments of his hernia and prostate examinations.

Radically Moderate's picture

Hillary or Barack will beat McCain.
If they wind up being running mates so much the better.

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Maybe the Republicans are fully embracing McCain's age, just wanting a mannequin who won't be too actively involved... he's some kind of Reagan/Bush hybrid. And yes, deezus is absolutely right. If McCain wins, the Democratic party should just dissolve itself totally.

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Still, when it comes down to gut time in the booth, how many will abandon the polite demeanor shown to the pollsters and vote for the white war hero guy?

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Liberal AND Proud @ 3:

I'm sure that a press release will be put out by the McCain campaign stating that he is now using Dick Cheney's doctor.

Perhaps the GOP will schedule a televised full medical exam of McCain on FOX News, including up close and personal segments of his hernia and prostate examinations.

And they can do a companion piece on GW Bush based on the Pretzelnit's DNA sample taken from McCain's ass.

Like Bill Maher said....

If its Obama vs McCain....

"Then its youtube vs feeding tube"....

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mr.ed @ 6:

Still, when it comes down to gut time in the booth, how many will abandon the polite demeanor shown to the pollsters and vote for the white war hero guy?

It's a known fact that in a general election black candidates receive roughly 8% less votes than what was predicted by the polls.

I'm not sure how women fair, but I'm sure they probably score less than polls also.

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Remember America, complacency is very dangerous.
Go to the polls, make you vote count.

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Liberal AND Proud @ 9:

mr.ed @ 6:

Still, when it comes down to gut time in the booth, how many will abandon the polite demeanor shown to the pollsters and vote for the white war hero guy?

It's a known fact that in a general election black candidates receive roughly 8% less votes than what was predicted by the polls.

I'm not sure how women fair, but I'm sure they probably score less than polls also.

Still, Obama wins by 4 points.

1992 ... "It's the economy stupid !"

2008 ... "It's IRAQ you moron !"

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Bangkok Bob ☻ @ 10:

Remember America, complacency is very dangerous.
Go to the polls, make you vote count.

Dems are showing up at the primaries at rates 2 or even THREE times as many as Republicans.

It's over.

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McCain has a lot to contend with at this stage. The so called Conservative movement is no longer in "lock step" as the one we all saw years ago. Each faction of it if you will has become so extreme and closed minded regarding particular individual issues that they can not come together behind a single candidate like McCain. McCain's "Liberal" social views simply turn away many social Conservatives who otherwise like his stance on foreign policy. Conservative foreign policy hawks absolutely love McCain and could care less about his social views. This is why they attacked Huckabee so forcefully because he lacked any foreign policy experience.

What brought them together on mass back then was their hatred for anything Bill Clinton or Liberalism in general since during that time it was all fresh in their minds. Today, Bill Clinton and Liberalism happened 8-9 years ago and the smears they used back then to great effect to rally the Conservative base is having little to no effect today because of it. In addition, they have to contend with a whole host of Conservative failures that we have all seen these past seven years. That is a lot to overcome and I doubt McCain has the Conservative charm and charisma to win them all over come November.

That photo of bush and McCain yesterday should be all the dems need to win.

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Joe O. @ 13:

McCain has a lot to contend with at this stage. The so called Conservative movement is no longer in "lock step" as the one we all saw years ago. Each faction of it if you will has become so extreme and closed minded regarding particular individual issues that they can not come together behind a single candidate like McCain. McCain's "Liberal" social views simply turn away many social Conservatives who otherwise like his stance on foreign policy. Conservative foreign policy hawks absolutely love McCain and could care less about his social views. This is why they attacked Huckabee so forcefully because he lacked any foreign policy experience.

What brought them together on mass back then was their hatred for anything Bill Clinton or Liberalism in general since during that time it was all fresh in their minds. Today, Bill Clinton and Liberalism happened 8-9 years ago and the smears they used back then to great effect to rally the Conservative base is having little to no effect today because of it. In addition, they have to contend with a whole host of Conservative failures that we have all seen these past seven years. That is a lot to overcome and I doubt McCain has the Conservative charm and charisma to win them all over come November.

When William F. Buckley Jr., the 'Father of Modern Conservatism' , recently died, we heard several references to the fact that he was no fan of George W. Bush's current policies, including the Iraq fiasco. Pretty telling no ?

The debate will rage for decades.. which did George W. Bush destroy more, the Middle East or the Republican Party ?

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I think it would be a good idea for you american voters to start accentuating the positives of both candidates to voters in a pre campaign kind of way. Walk around as though one person or the other is the right candidate, and if a voter challenges you that they like one or the other better, just say I'm for both, and here's why they are both better than McCain.

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pissed off patricia @ 14:

That photo of bush and McCain yesterday should be all the dems need to win.

Yes, and I loved the WorldWide coverage of bush looking as stupid as possible with his little dance routine and shuffle, that went over real big here in the Ex-Pat community. A huge groan was heard.

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While these polls are encouraging, we know that the popular vote doesn't always determine the winner. I like Rasmussen's electoral college update, which shows Dems with 284-229 lead (25 tossup) if the vote was held today.

This is without a presumptive nominee on the Dem side, with the candidates attacking each other daily while McCain hosts barbecue photo ops.

What's it going to look like when either Obama or Clinton start focusing on taking down McCain, and not each other?

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Chico @ 15:

Joe O. @ 13:

McCain has a lot to contend with at this stage. The so called Conservative movement is no longer in "lock step" as the one we all saw years ago. Each faction of it if you will has become so extreme and closed minded regarding particular individual issues that they can not come together behind a single candidate like McCain. McCain's "Liberal" social views simply turn away many social Conservatives who otherwise like his stance on foreign policy. Conservative foreign policy hawks absolutely love McCain and could care less about his social views. This is why they attacked Huckabee so forcefully because he lacked any foreign policy experience.

What brought them together on mass back then was their hatred for anything Bill Clinton or Liberalism in general since during that time it was all fresh in their minds. Today, Bill Clinton and Liberalism happened 8-9 years ago and the smears they used back then to great effect to rally the Conservative base is having little to no effect today because of it. In addition, they have to contend with a whole host of Conservative failures that we have all seen these past seven years. That is a lot to overcome and I doubt McCain has the Conservative charm and charisma to win them all over come November.

When William F. Buckley Jr., the 'Father of Modern Conservatism' , recently died, we heard several references to the fact that he was no fan of George W. Bush's current policies, including the Iraq fiasco. Pretty telling no ?

The debate will rage for decades.. which did George W. Bush destroy more, the Middle East or the Republican Party ?

The lackey's of the MORON factor (28%rs) will bring back the Republicans faster than the decade or so it may take to repair the damage done to the country.

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James @ 16:

I think it would be a good idea for you american voters to start accentuating the positives of both candidates to voters in a pre campaign kind of way. Walk around as though one person or the other is the right candidate, and if a voter challenges you that they like one or the other better, just say I'm for both, and here's why they are both better than McCain.

Hillary has many positives, that's true.

But she has disqualified herself by running a dishonest, deceitful campaign.

So to point out her positives would be to disregard the fact that, on principle, she has disqualified herself, and plays by the same dirty rules as rove and bush.

A vote for Clinton, at this point, is a vote for the same old corrupt DC, despite her positives on policy.

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If the Dems can't beat Mccain-- a crook, who deserved shame and ejection in the 90s with Keating, and has only maintained his seat in the senate because people pity him and the torture he endured-- then we deserve what we get.

and they'll only lose if they put Clinton on the ticket, or if the other half of the country (repugs) are truly insane...

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In Almost Every Poll Obama Runs Better Against McCain Than Clinton, So What is Behind Her "Message Point" That She Can Better Beat McCain? Would One Dare Call Senator Clinton's Claim a "Fantasy"? Senator Clinton Will Unite One Party: The Republicans. BuzzFlash3/5

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And then you have nonsense like the Canadian government sabotaging Obama's bid for Ohio. Who knows what nonsense Harper's cronies may leak in the months to come?

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Texas Political Expert Wayne Slater: "No question that the effort by conservative talk radio to have Republicans cross over and vote for Hillary Clinton had some impact. Of the early vote, some voters -- perhaps 8-9 percent in some places -- were people with a history of voting in Republican primaries in the past." Limbaugh give a boost to Hillary.

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ohio progressive @ 21:

If the Dems can't beat Mccain-- a crook, who deserved shame and ejection in the 90s with Keating, and has only maintained his seat in the senate because people pity him and the torture he endured-- then we deserve what we get.

and they'll only lose if they put Clinton on the ticket, or if the other half of the country (repugs) are truly insane...

My biggest problem with McSame is the vision of him first kissing Falwells ass, and now the other fat-pig bigoted and hateful Hagee. That really shows his lack of guts.

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Still, an interesting report from a reader in Dallas:On the local conservative radio stations, many Republicans are calling and complaining about feeling “disenfranchised." Apparently, they didn’t realize that by implementing Rush Limbaugh’s strategy of voting for Hillary in the Primaries to prolong the Democrats fist-fight, they would not be allowed to vote for any of the Republicans on the rest of the ballot. BuzzFlash-3/6

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Bangkok Bob ☻ @ 25:

ohio progressive @ 21:

If the Dems can't beat Mccain-- a crook, who deserved shame and ejection in the 90s with Keating, and has only maintained his seat in the senate because people pity him and the torture he endured-- then we deserve what we get.

and they'll only lose if they put Clinton on the ticket, or if the other half of the country (repugs) are truly insane...

My biggest problem with McSame is the vision of him first kissing Falwells ass, and now the other fat-pig bigoted and hateful Hagee. That really shows his lack of guts.

He lost me when he let busch get away with talking about his "black" daughter, then he let's busch kiss him.

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Bangkok Bob ☻ @ 17:

pissed off patricia @ 14:

That photo of bush and McCain yesterday should be all the dems need to win.

Yes, and I loved the WorldWide coverage of bush looking as stupid as possible with his little dance routine and shuffle, that went over real big here in the Ex-Pat community. A huge groan was heard.

Surely [he] jest[s].

One of Bush's finer Presidential moments.

enor's picture

I'm not so confident there will be an election if McCain's numbers don't guarantee a

continuation of the neocon hold on America.

James's picture

ohio progressive @ 20:

James @ 16:

I think it would be a good idea for you american voters to start accentuating the positives of both candidates to voters in a pre campaign kind of way. Walk around as though one person or the other is the right candidate, and if a voter challenges you that they like one or the other better, just say I'm for both, and here's why they are both better than McCain.

Hillary has many positives, that's true.

But she has disqualified herself by running a dishonest, deceitful campaign.

I think that is true, and I like Obama much more but It hink its important for american centrists and left wingers to ensure that they get their horse in and push it towards where they want it to go. It works both ways, you can hold hold the water for either canidate and say well hillary/obama is nice too. Its just to blunt the negative effect of their continued campaigning. I hope either of them tells my PM Harper to shove it when they come in.

So to point out her positives would be to disregard the fact that, on principle, she has disqualified herself, and plays by the same dirty rules as rove and bush.

A vote for Clinton, at this point, is a vote for the same old corrupt DC, despite her positives on policy.

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Oliver @ 23:

And then you have nonsense like the Canadian government sabotaging Obama's bid for Ohio. Who knows what nonsense Harper's cronies may leak in the months to come?

It's amazing on two counts:
1) that we never get foreign news in the US anyway, but we hear from Canada About the dangers of Obama vs NAFTA
2) people in Ohio
, who lost jobs to Canada, are so fucking stupid that they will believe a canadian, who took away their jobs, as if that canadian could have their best interests in mind.

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McCain starts general election phase at decided disadvantage

Yeah a boosh endorsement.

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enor @ 29:

I'm not so confident there will be an election if McCain's numbers don't guarantee a

continuation of the neocon hold on America.

I never used to believe in that sort of conspiracy theory....

but then I read about ashcrofts nobid $30 million contracts awarded by some cronies in the DOJ....

my goodness, they've got a good racket....

they've got so much to lose from a monetary standpoint, that I'd almost fault them if they didn't try to overtly steal the election, considering all the codes of conduct and integrity they've already violated with impunity and hubris...

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Nick @ 1:

First, you whores

Where's my money cheap-skate?

Bill's picture

Besides, McCain was broken by his communist torturers, brainwashed, programmed, and sent back here to seek the Presidency in order to unknowingly sell out his country.

John McCain, the Hanoi Candidate!

(oh, and isn't Barack a muslim??? Thought I'd heard that somewhere... )

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deezus @ 2:

If Democrats lose this election, we deserve to lose.

NO WAY!

If the Democrats loose this election, it's because of the Diebold factor.

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Bangkok Bob ☻ @ 17:

pissed off patricia @ 14:

That photo of bush and McCain yesterday should be all the dems need to win.

Yes, and I loved the WorldWide coverage of bush looking as stupid as possible with his little dance routine and shuffle, that went over real big here in the Ex-Pat community. A huge groan was heard.

Imagine what we would think of the leader of any other country if we saw them doing what bush was doing yesterday. Imagine Putin doing something like that. We would quickly say he was either drunk or crazy. Just because bush is the most powerful man in the world doesn't cover the fact that he has no decorum at all.

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Shoot my comment didn't get pasted. I just said campaing for the one you like, but be supportive of the one you don't like because McCain is worse.

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enor @ 29:

I'm not so confident there will be an election if McCain's numbers don't guarantee a

continuation of the neocon hold on America.

I've said that for over a year. After hearing about P residential Directive 51, I'm convinced that the neo-cons are crazy enough to execute it in order to stay in power ( if the gap between McMoron and the Democratic candidate is too big for Diebold to rig).

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CheneyIsADick @ 39:

enor @ 29:

I'm not so confident there will be an election if McCain's numbers don't guarantee a

continuation of the neocon hold on America.

I've said that for over a year. After hearing about P residential Directive 51, I'm convinced that the neo-cons are crazy enough to execute it in order to stay in power ( if the gap between McMoron and the Democratic candidate is too big for Diebold to rig).

So, what's your guess?

A war with Iran? Unrest in Europe/SA? I'm guessing Pakistan.

The first thing to do is to watch and see who McCain picks as a running mate.

If it's Cheney-redeux (i.e., Tom DeLay, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, et al), if Hillary wins (or steals) the Democratic Nomination, this country is in for four more years of tyranny.

And I don't think we can afford that. Obama's doing fine, but he needs to still get his shyt together and keep it together, tight, until Denver, since the Borg Queen is clearly indicating she's going to muck up shyt until this summer.

Despite the fact if after next week, she gets stomped in the primaries and Howard Dean and Al Gore start verbally hinting to her to step down.

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Terrible @ 40:

McCain also has a killing American citizens problem .

WOW! That IS Terrible.
No way should he get away with that shit!

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mr.ed @ 6:

Still, when it comes down to gut time in the booth, how many will abandon the polite demeanor shown to the pollsters and vote for the white war hero guy?

enough for diebold to get er done!

Joementum's picture

At some point McInsane is going to have to throw Bush under the bus. He hasn't yet because he's still trying to shore up support from the base. He may have to wait till after the convention -- at which point it will probably be too late, my friends.

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enor @ 29:

I'm not so confident there will be an election if McCain's numbers don't guarantee a

continuation of the neocon hold on America.

Normally, we'd say you're a crazy conspiracy nut who thinks UFO's are hovering over your house waiting to 'examine' you. But we are not in normal times so we collectively hold our breaths instead.

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I have a feeling that McCain is going to pick Lieberman as his running mate.

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IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 47:

I have a feeling that McCain is going to pick Lieberman as his running mate.

Unfortunately, I agree. Lieberman will more than likely be one of McCain's top choices.

blue's picture

Wonder if that GREAT CORPORATE FART CALLED CHRIS MATTHEWS IS LISTENING AFTER PONTIFICATING YESTERDAY THAT McCain WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT

IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 47:

I have a feeling that McCain is going to pick Lieberman as his running mate.

He may if Hillary doesn't pick him first.

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CheneyIsADick @ 36:

deezus @ 2:

If Democrats lose this election, we deserve to lose.

NO WAY!

If the Democrats loose this election, it's because of the Diebold factor.

Touche'

But, since the Democrats have been in charge of Congress four 2 years, you'd think they could've done something about that along the way.

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Bangkok Bob ☻ @ 10:

Remember America, complacency is very dangerous.
Go to the polls, make you vote count.

The way it looks now, go to the polls, and try to make you vote count.

ConcernedCanuck's picture

What if McCain waits until the Dem contender is decided, and if Hillary loses, picks her? Not too far fetched. McCain and the Clintons are friends. They have alot in common politically. And really, Hillary is no Dem. She is DLC. Republicans in disguise.

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That's not what Brit Hume said yesterday.

A different poll has got McBush ahead.

But then again, thats Faux..er, Fox News.

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pendragon @ 54:

That's not what Brit Hume said yesterday.

A different poll has got McBush ahead.

But then again, thats Faux..er, Fox News.

90% of polls are made up. The other 10% are guesses.

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Getting back to McCain's age problem, there is also the little problem of his having melanoma, with 2 recurrances. The question needs to be asked publicly: "Mr. McCain, have any melanoma cells been discovered in any of your lymph nodes?" Because the chances of melanoma being fatal increase a lot if there is lymph node involvement.

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pissed off patricia @ 14:

That photo of bush and McCain yesterday should be all the dems need to win.

Here's my commercial for the dems: [Background music: Theme from The Courtship of Eddie's Father, AKA, "People Let me Tell you about my Best Friend"] Several photos of Bush and McCain, esp. with them hugging, on-screen, ending in montage; no voice-over

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ronnyg @ 57:

pissed off patricia @ 14:

That photo of bush and McCain yesterday should be all the dems need to win.

Here's my commercial for the dems: [Background music: Theme from The Courtship of Eddie's Father, AKA, "People Let me Tell you about my Best Friend"] Several photos of Bush and McCain, esp. with them hugging, on-screen, ending in montage; no voice-over

I like it!
Perhaps some pictures with Keating,Abramhoff, and some of the lobbyist on his election committee.

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Help me with this please...I'm torn between a couple of options. Should it be 'This Ain't No Country For That Old Man'...or, 'This Country Ain't For That Old Man'. Either one will make the point, but I'm still torn.

Another thought...with all the noise from the right about how a prolonged campaign will hurt the Dems in the general election, when should we introduce the 'perfect squelch' of 'None of this matters because this country ain't low enough to reward the Repugs with another four years following the last eight'?

ABAR - Anybody But A Republican

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DirtyDawg @ 59:

Help me with this please...I'm torn between a couple of options. Should it be 'This Ain't No Country For That Old Man'...or, 'This Country Ain't For That Old Man'. Either one will make the point, but I'm still torn.

Another thought...with all the noise from the right about how a prolonged campaign will hurt the Dems in the general election, when should we introduce the 'perfect squelch' of 'None of this matters because this country ain't low enough to reward the Repugs with another four years following the last eight'?

ABAR - Anybody But A Republican

More to the point:
"No country for young people"
Who is looking out for the future of our nation?
27% of the Bush tax breaks went to 0.6% of the population
$9 trillion in debt
No viable energy alternatives
A war without an exit plan
No country for the young indeed!

CafeenMan's picture

The LAST time Dems won (2006) we were all really happy. Now we're all really disappointed. Nothing has changed since '06. Bush still gets anything he wants.

So let's pretend for a moment that the dems actually take the White House. Then what?

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What Democrats need to win is passion. Passion is what the the repugs have used to get power for the past ten years. It's about time for Dems to use that emotion if they want to have power again.

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deezus @ 2:

If Democrats lose this election, we deserve to lose.

I agree 100%. If we can't win this year, then there's little point in trying to muster a real opposition to the GOP.

ysbaddaden's picture

So much for boosh's lone cowboy and mccan'ts maverick image:

http://phidoux.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/kissing_cowboys_cartoon.jpg

gffish's picture

Before getting too excited with this or any other presidential preference poll, remember that the U. S. elects its president through the electoral college system rather than by the popular vote. As has happened several times in our history, most notably in 2000, the persons receiving the most votes did not become president. Only when pollsters begin providing what the outcome in the electoral college would be if the election were held today should any presidential poll be considered newsworthy.

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Most of you folks will like this one:

http://www.bgladd.com/JohnMcBuush.jpg

BTW....is "McLame" on the list??

Petro's picture

Then there's the Cindy thing...

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CafeenMan @ 61:

The LAST time Dems won (2006) we were all really happy. Now we're all really disappointed. Nothing has changed since '06. Bush still gets anything he wants.

So let's pretend for a moment that the dems actually take the White House. Then what?

Disappointed, yes but then again it is understandable. The Democrats hold a slim majority in the Senate and a good portion of the house and even if they could get a bill to pass both the Senate and House Bush would have just vetoed it anyway. What could change, is if we see a larger than majority of Democrats in the Senate and House along with a Democrat as President. If that happens, the Republicans will have little chance to block anything.

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blue @ 49:

Wonder if that GREAT CORPORATE FART CALLED CHRIS MATTHEWS IS LISTENING AFTER PONTIFICATING YESTERDAY THAT McCain WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT

I fully expect him to proclaim Senator Obama Master and Commander tonight as he did once with McBoner.

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HIS BIGGEST DISADVANTAGE..... he sucks!!!!!

lots of people have that disadvantage... hopefully their party does not nominate them for president of the united states of america....

HIS BIGGEST ADVANTAGE...

because my candidate, John Edwards, did not win the primary

i urge ALL democrats who did not get their first choice to win the primary to stay home Nov 4

i for one will be face down on the carpet kicking my legs and crying... if i don't get my first choice then i quit... i'm grabbing my balls and going home

is anybody picking up what i am laying down... because i am laying it down PRETTY THICK

What a bunch of CRYBABIES... both sides... accomplishing what ONLY THE GOP could pray for... cutting the number of Democrat voters in half, and allowing the "machine shaving" to push the last 5 % difference into a MEDIA CONTROLLED announcement that.... the DEMS did self destruct and that President McCain will be answering that 3a.m. call, when his military announces to him that they have successfully taken Iran.

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRYING DOLTS!!!

PLEASE STOP FOR A MOMENT AND TAKE THIS PLEDGE... GO AHEAD... NOBODY IS WATCHING...
"i" state your name "promise to support WHOEVER is the Democrat nominee, because I am smart enough to see that the STINKING GOP MEDIA is having a great time setting us against each other"

and remember to vote November 4.... because of the HIGH amount of Democrats expected, Republicans are encouraged to vote on November 5.

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enor @ 41:

CheneyIsADick @ 39:

enor @ 29:

I'm not so confident there will be an election if McCain's numbers don't guarantee a

continuation of the neocon hold on America.

I've said that for over a year. After hearing about P residential Directive 51, I'm convinced that the neo-cons are crazy enough to execute it in order to stay in power ( if the gap between McMoron and the Democratic candidate is too big for Diebold to rig).

So, what's your guess?

A war with Iran? Unrest in Europe/SA? I'm guessing Pakistan.

Well, Lieberman, who is chrmn. of the Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs committee in the Senate, recently sent out requests to most major US cities asking them provide information regarding their current emergency response plans in the event a nuclear device happens to explode in their city. So maybe their just scouting around to find the sight for the next 9/11-like "terrorist attack" to ensure the public has the bejeebies scared out of them enough to go along with cancellation of the election.

There are a number of other directives and pieces of legislation, which when considered in the aggregate, seem a little suspicious to me:

- Pres Dir 51: make the Pres responsible for "continuity of government" in the event of a "catastrophic emergency" - essentially overrides the roles of Congress and the courts

- Patriot Act II: puts Homeland Security/FEMA in the lead for handling all logistice regarding said "catastrophic emergency" - I find Chertoff to be among the smarmiest in the administration, when you know his background and how he's risen up in the ranks (but under the radar) you'll likey find him a little scary

- J. Warner Defense Act ('06, maybe '05): kinda' does away with that pesky Posse Comitatus thingy - so now the Pres has carte blanche to enlist the resources of the US military (and National Guard and Blackwater, et al) to do his bidding within the US (say, in the event of a "catastrophic emergency"?)

- Military Commission Act: this is the one that eliminated Habeus Corpus, so now "dissidents" (which likely includes the likes of us) can be hauled off (maybe to one of those lovely FEMA camps that have sprung up) and held indefinitely without the need to bother with arraignments, trials, etc. - helps to keep costs down, I guess.

- The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act: passed in the House like 400 to 10 or something, if (when) passed by the Senate and signed by Bush
(you know he will), he (the Preznit) gets to annoint a Commission to investigate Citizens who are suspected of nefarious doings - kinda' like the McCarthy era - and we know how well that turned out.

These are just a few of the provisions Chney/Bush have put into place to enable them to do their dirty deeds. I still have a hard time believing they will "leave" office without having the fun of utilizing them, for at least a little while. Call me crazy......

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Big Dick Cheney @ 71:

HIS BIGGEST DISADVANTAGE..... he sucks!!!!!

lots of people have that disadvantage... hopefully their party does not nominate them for president of the united states of america....

HIS BIGGEST ADVANTAGE...

because my candidate, John Edwards, did not win the primary

i urge ALL democrats who did not get their first choice to win the primary to stay home Nov 4

i for one will be face down on the carpet kicking my legs and crying... if i don't get my first choice then i quit... i'm grabbing my balls and going home

is anybody picking up what i am laying down... because i am laying it down PRETTY THICK

What a bunch of CRYBABIES... both sides... accomplishing what ONLY THE GOP could pray for... cutting the number of Democrat voters in half, and allowing the "machine shaving" to push the last 5 % difference into a MEDIA CONTROLLED announcement that.... the DEMS did self destruct and that President McCain will be answering that 3a.m. call, when his military announces to him that they have successfully taken Iran.

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRYING DOLTS!!!

PLEASE STOP FOR A MOMENT AND TAKE THIS PLEDGE... GO AHEAD... NOBODY IS WATCHING...
"i" state your name "promise to support WHOEVER is the Democrat nominee, because I am smart enough to see that the STINKING GOP MEDIA is having a great time setting us against each other"

and remember to vote November 4.... because of the HIGH amount of Democrats expected, Republicans are encouraged to vote on November 5.

I agree with your logic. This is the only way that it can be done. Even if your favorite candidate did not win or dropped out earlier on there is still a lot at stake especially if McCain wins. If the Democrats still hold a majority of the House and Senate we could see more gridlock like we have been seeing since 2006. To break that, the Democrats will have to take the Presidency and maintain their majorities in the House and Senate. Besides, even if one doesn't like Clinton or even Obama as a President it does not mean that either of those candidates can pass bills into law as they please. They may face Democrats who will block those bills if they do not like them. However, if you want to throw out the Repubicans and give them little chance of passing any of their insane bills you are going to have to vote. If McCain gets the Presidency he and the remaining Republicans in Congress and maybe some Democrats will block everything the Democrats want to pass. In other words, gridlock will remain and all of the crying in the world will not change that. Get out and vote. Its the only way.

Bill's picture

Then there's that awkward issue for McCain--his brain or lack of one.

Dr. Acula's picture

Bill @ 74:

Then there's that awkward issue for McCain--his brain or lack of one.

McBrain

CheneyIsADick's picture

enor @ 41:

CheneyIsADick @ 39:

enor @ 29:

I'm not so confident there will be an election if McCain's numbers don't guarantee a

continuation of the neocon hold on America.

I've said that for over a year. After hearing about P residential Directive 51, I'm convinced that the neo-cons are crazy enough to execute it in order to stay in power ( if the gap between McMoron and the Democratic candidate is too big for Diebold to rig).

So, what's your guess?

A war with Iran? Unrest in Europe/SA? I'm guessing Pakistan.

My guess if the GOP neo-con sons of bitches don't get it their way: Iran, no election, martial law and Dick Cheney takes over all three branches of gov't.

CheneyIsADick's picture

deezus @ 51:

CheneyIsADick @ 36:

deezus @ 2:

If Democrats lose this election, we deserve to lose.

NO WAY!

If the Democrats loose this election, it's because of the Diebold factor.

Touche'

But, since the Democrats have been in charge of Congress four 2 years, you'd think they could've done something about that along the way.

One would normally think so. Here is the reason why they haven't had the balls wanted to do anything about it:

Ralph Nader: "Things Are a Lot Worse than We Thought!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIO-tCPSfHA

CheneyIsADick's picture

deezus @ 51:

CheneyIsADick @ 36:

deezus @ 2:

If Democrats lose this election, we deserve to lose.

NO WAY!

If the Democrats loose this election, it's because of the Diebold factor.

Touche'

But, since the Democrats have been in charge of Congress four 2 years, you'd think they could've done something about that along the way.

Damn! I hate when that happens.

One would normally think so. Here is the reason why they haven’t had the balls wanted to do anything about it.

Ralph Nader: "Things Are a Lot Worse than We Thought!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIO-tCPSfHA

CheneyIsADick's picture

Damn! I hate when that happens.

Ralph Nader: "Things Are a Lot Worse than We Thought!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIO-tCPSfHA

Proud2bHumble's picture

Abbybwood @ 66:

Most of you folks will like this one:

http://www.bgladd.com/JohnMcBuush.jpg

BTW....is "McLame" on the list??

yep

Proud2bHumble's picture

Abbybwood @ 66:

Most of you folks will like this one:

http://www.bgladd.com/JohnMcBuush.jpg

BTW....is "McLame" on the list??

and LOL on the link, thanks!

Lonny's picture

Katherine Harris for VP. That'll really help McCain in the general election.

Proud2bHumble's picture

Big Dick Cheney @ 71:

HIS BIGGEST DISADVANTAGE..... he sucks!!!!!

lots of people have that disadvantage... hopefully their party does not nominate them for president of the united states of america....

HIS BIGGEST ADVANTAGE...

because my candidate, John Edwards, did not win the primary

i urge ALL democrats who did not get their first choice to win the primary to stay home Nov 4

i for one will be face down on the carpet kicking my legs and crying... if i don't get my first choice then i quit... i'm grabbing my balls and going home

is anybody picking up what i am laying down... because i am laying it down PRETTY THICK

What a bunch of CRYBABIES... both sides... accomplishing what ONLY THE GOP could pray for... cutting the number of Democrat voters in half, and allowing the "machine shaving" to push the last 5 % difference into a MEDIA CONTROLLED announcement that.... the DEMS did self destruct and that President McCain will be answering that 3a.m. call, when his military announces to him that they have successfully taken Iran.

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRYING DOLTS!!!

PLEASE STOP FOR A MOMENT AND TAKE THIS PLEDGE... GO AHEAD... NOBODY IS WATCHING...
"i" state your name "promise to support WHOEVER is the Democrat nominee, because I am smart enough to see that the STINKING GOP MEDIA is having a great time setting us against each other"

and remember to vote November 4.... because of the HIGH amount of Democrats expected, Republicans are encouraged to vote on November 5.

Right on bro.

Priorities:

1. Get the contards out.
2. Get the most progressive electable candidates in.
3. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Rome wasn't un-built in a day, dipshits.

enor's picture

Amitola @ 72:

enor @ 41:

CheneyIsADick @ 39:

enor @ 29:

I've said that for over a year. After hearing about P residential Directive 51, I'm convinced that the neo-cons are crazy enough to execute it in order to stay in power ( if the gap between McMoron and the Democratic candidate is too big for Diebold to rig).

So, what's your guess?

A war with Iran? Unrest in Europe/SA? I'm guessing Pakistan.

Well, Lieberman, who is chrmn. of the Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs committee in the Senate, recently sent out requests to most major US cities asking them provide information regarding their current emergency response plans in the event a nuclear device happens to explode in their city. So maybe their just scouting around to find the sight for the next 9/11-like "terrorist attack" to ensure the public has the bejeebies scared out of them enough to go along with cancellation of the election.

There are a number of other directives and pieces of legislation, which when considered in the aggregate, seem a little suspicious to me:

- Pres Dir 51: make the Pres responsible for "continuity of government" in the event of a "catastrophic emergency" - essentially overrides the roles of Congress and the courts

- Patriot Act II: puts Homeland Security/FEMA in the lead for handling all logistice regarding said "catastrophic emergency" - I find Chertoff to be among the smarmiest in the administration, when you know his background and how he's risen up in the ranks (but under the radar) you'll likey find him a little scary

- J. Warner Defense Act ('06, maybe '05): kinda' does away with that pesky Posse Comitatus thingy - so now the Pres has carte blanche to enlist the resources of the US military (and National Guard and Blackwater, et al) to do his bidding within the US (say, in the event of a "catastrophic emergency"?)

- Military Commission Act: this is the one that eliminated Habeus Corpus, so now "dissidents" (which likely includes the likes of us) can be hauled off (maybe to one of those lovely FEMA camps that have sprung up) and held indefinitely without the need to bother with arraignments, trials, etc. - helps to keep costs down, I guess.

- The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act: passed in the House like 400 to 10 or something, if (when) passed by the Senate and signed by Bush
(you know he will), he (the Preznit) gets to annoint a Commission to investigate Citizens who are suspected of nefarious doings - kinda' like the McCarthy era - and we know how well that turned out.

These are just a few of the provisions Chney/Bush have put into place to enable them to do their dirty deeds. I still have a hard time believing they will "leave" office without having the fun of utilizing them, for at least a little while. Call me crazy......

You've done your homework.

Pretty scary stuff, heh?

Also, add that the Directive includes, "economic" emergencies, ie; oil goes up to $150

barrel and the US, because it is now 'a security risk', invades Saudi Arabia to "protect

our interests" (Read: OUR OIL!).

Curt Blizzah's picture

Hooray for a close race between Hillary and Obama! McCain has to basically send negative attacks in the media against a two-headed monster, all while being completely overshadowed by the Dems race. The longer this lasts, the better. Many should know the folks who are making front-page news are the people chosen to run the country, based on popularity and familiarity. I tend to be a tin-foil type guy, so I find it beneficial for the Obama campaign for this nomination process to be intentionally stretched, if he ends up getting the nomination, because it can diffuse the issue of inexperience. He could answer the issue by stating he's been through the process for months and months discussing issues with Hillary, and he won over the party, and the public will eat it up like sheep food. According to the collective memory of the public, these next few months will be all the experience a person would need. It would be all they can remember. I root for Hillary, but I love 'em both! Split the ticket with our best and brightest, either way! Obama-Clinton or Clinton-Obama '08

/btw FL's Gov will be the GOP VP candidate

Jeannine's picture

Bill @ 35:

Besides, McCain was broken by his communist torturers, brainwashed, programmed, and sent back here to seek the Presidency in order to unknowingly sell out his country.

John McCain, the Hanoi Candidate!

(oh, and isn't Barack a muslim??? Thought I'd heard that somewhere... )

No damnit! How many times does this man have to say that he is a CHRISTIAN! For people to be afraid of Muslims is insane. Where's all that "courage" that your forefathers talked about? Why are some people soooo afraid of other cultures.

Trittydi's picture

But where's Mitt? Just week ago he was saying he wanted to run some more, wasn't he? Why isn't that happening? Isn't McCain willing to play nice in this sandbox and share some of his delegates with Mittens?

How is Mittens going to keep his fit and rambo-ready sons from enlisting if their dear father is running for the presidency?

I urge McCain to do the humane thing . . . he needs to share some of his delegates with Mittens in order to save the "Mitten's Five" . . . surely McCain can relate to THAT cause . . . .
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Will B's picture

"Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) leads McCain, who captured the delegates needed to claim the Republican nomination Tuesday night, by 12 percentage points among all adults in the poll; Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) holds a six-point lead over the GOP nominee."

Seriously, at the risk of offending some of you:
How in HELL can it be that close?!
Seriously?
What does you average American need as FURTHER impetus to have the Republickin party just, more or less, disappear after all it's done.
In my country, we had some lying, bastard conservatives in power for nearly a decade and the people here were so pissed, over FAR FAR less, that the largest majority in my nation's history dwindled to the party nearly ceasing to exist!

Can someone PLEASE explain how the present situation can exist in Amerika when it wouldn't, after the last 8 years, in any other country on Earth?

Amitola's picture

enor @ 84:

Amitola @ 72:

enor @ 41:

CheneyIsADick @ 39:

So, what's your guess?

A war with Iran? Unrest in Europe/SA? I'm guessing Pakistan.

Well, Lieberman, who is chrmn. of the Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs committee in the Senate, recently sent out requests to most major US cities asking them provide information regarding their current emergency response plans in the event a nuclear device happens to explode in their city. So maybe their just scouting around to find the sight for the next 9/11-like "terrorist attack" to ensure the public has the bejeebies scared out of them enough to go along with cancellation of the election.

There are a number of other directives and pieces of legislation, which when considered in the aggregate, seem a little suspicious to me:

- Pres Dir 51: make the Pres responsible for "continuity of government" in the event of a "catastrophic emergency" - essentially overrides the roles of Congress and the courts

- Patriot Act II: puts Homeland Security/FEMA in the lead for handling all logistice regarding said "catastrophic emergency" - I find Chertoff to be among the smarmiest in the administration, when you know his background and how he's risen up in the ranks (but under the radar) you'll likey find him a little scary

- J. Warner Defense Act ('06, maybe '05): kinda' does away with that pesky Posse Comitatus thingy - so now the Pres has carte blanche to enlist the resources of the US military (and National Guard and Blackwater, et al) to do his bidding within the US (say, in the event of a "catastrophic emergency"?)

- Military Commission Act: this is the one that eliminated Habeus Corpus, so now "dissidents" (which likely includes the likes of us) can be hauled off (maybe to one of those lovely FEMA camps that have sprung up) and held indefinitely without the need to bother with arraignments, trials, etc. - helps to keep costs down, I guess.

- The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act: passed in the House like 400 to 10 or something, if (when) passed by the Senate and signed by Bush
(you know he will), he (the Preznit) gets to annoint a Commission to investigate Citizens who are suspected of nefarious doings - kinda' like the McCarthy era - and we know how well that turned out.

These are just a few of the provisions Chney/Bush have put into place to enable them to do their dirty deeds. I still have a hard time believing they will "leave" office without having the fun of utilizing them, for at least a little while. Call me crazy......

You've done your homework.

Pretty scary stuff, heh?

Also, add that the Directive includes, "economic" emergencies, ie; oil goes up to $150

barrel and the US, because it is now 'a security risk', invades Saudi Arabia to "protect

our interests" (Read: OUR OIL!).

Yes, there are myraid "excuses" they can come up with/create in order to "protect" us Americans. I have done my homework, and the Internet makes it quite painless. What pains me is trying to help others see the writing on the wall.

I may be incorrect thinking that Cheney/Bush (I always put him first 'cause he's the really evil one and has been planning this crap for decades) will try something before the election to stay in office, but I'd be willing to bet (if I actaully had any money or something of value) that some kind of emergency will arise - if only to keep the Repugs (McCain)in charge. While many folks, encouraged by the media, are busy arguing about Reps vs. Dems, Hillary vs. Obama, who is McCain's VP, etc., the people in the background have already detemined who will be our next "leader," who they intend to have preside over the final gutting of the American economy and our Constitution.

So, yes I'm concerned, and I do not think it matters even a little bit who "gets elected," if there's an election. I do wish more people could focus on the forest and not the trees........

ysbaddaden's picture

Big Dick Cheney @ 71:

HIS BIGGEST DISADVANTAGE..... he sucks!!!!!

But does he swallow?

James Ratliff's picture

If republicans had any love for the country or the people they would not even run.
After all every problem we have today can be laid squarely at the feet of the republicans. Over the last twenty years they have put forth there insane ideology of corporate rule with out any rules or enforcement of rules, they have used enron style accounting practices in the stock markets, the banking , & housing or mortgage companies.
they have perverted the constitution, twisted the meanings and installed judges that will interpret against the people and for the corporation or the rich contributor.
The republican style of government is dictatorship by fascist and this should be the last we ever hear ofthe republican party. The Greedy old pedophile party.

However, honesty, decency, integrity, and morality, are words that can not be used to describe republicans!

EstellaBrandybuck's picture

enor @ 41:

CheneyIsADick @ 39:

enor @ 29:

I'm not so confident there will be an election if McCain's numbers don't guarantee a

continuation of the neocon hold on America.

I've said that for over a year. After hearing about P residential Directive 51, I'm convinced that the neo-cons are crazy enough to execute it in order to stay in power ( if the gap between McMoron and the Democratic candidate is too big for Diebold to rig).

So, what's your guess?

A war with Iran? Unrest in Europe/SA? I'm guessing Pakistan.

Venezuela. Boooosh has been lusting for a chance to take Chavez down, and this three-cornered dust-up between Colombia, Ecuador and Venezuela could provide just the excuse he's been lusting for. Watch the Deciderer drag us in on the side of his "good buddies" in Colombia and goose-step all the way to Caracas. Or try to.

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