Hannity & Colmes: When Will The MSM Be Brave Enough To Cover Obama's Ties To "Controversial" Church?
By Nicole Belle Wednesday Mar 12, 2008 11:00am
C&L Contributer BillW sent this video on last night without comment and I had to watch it a few times just to fully soak in the utter cluelessness on the part of Sean Hannity without laughing. Apparently, Sean Hannity thinks that the mainstream media is not brave enough to look into the Barack Obama's ties to Trinity United Church of Christ and by some Hannitized six degrees of separation logic, his ties to Louis Farrakhan. Um, Sean? Aren't YOU part of the mainstream media? And on what do you base the assertion that it hasn't been covered? Oh that's right, facts have a liberal bias.
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And to make matters worse, the church is raising questions with the IRS, because of how they’re campaigning for Obama at the pulpit. And we continue now with our panel. First of all, I will not let up on this issue, Jeanine Pirro, if his pastor went to Libya, Tripoli, with Louis Farrakhan, a virulent anti-Semitic racist. His pas…his church gave a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan. That’s been Barack Obama’s past for twenty years. And we will continue to expose this until someone in the mainstream media has the courage to take this on.
I assume by his brave stance--speaking out against the spineless MSM--that Hannity will be doing similar segments denouncing Hagee and Parsley, who have been openly endorsing John McCain, right?
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let them start with McCain’s evangelist ally
Yeah, sure.
Pot meet Kettle.
So is Hannity going to announce that Obama's middle name is Hussein (just like mine)?
Wingnut callers to CSpan call this in about Farrakhan being friends with Obama Barack's minister,all the time, guess it's another email spam. And he's addressed it at a few candidate forums. But its news to those who want it to be hammered on some more, I guess.
and Hagee too!
The IRS is already after them. Welcome to BuschWorld.
Any religion that endorses or affiliates itself with any politician should be stripped of tax exempt status immediately. Get religion right out of politics, no matter how much the elderly and half dead want to hear these messages.
Maybe they were talking about him saying God Damn America and it was out fault that 9/1 happened.
Wasn't Pat Robertson panned over and over because he said the same thing. I have not heard one word about obama's but we did hear over and over the Geraldine F said obama was a black man.
Hannity threw a hissy fit when people dared to challenge the moron church. Hypocrisy....
At least Hannity admits Fox News is fringe media.
I think we should, instead, focus on these much more important issues:
1. An illegal war costing us hundreds of billions
2. Treason in high places
3. Stolen elections
4. Health insurance rip-off
5. Gasoline prices
6. Voting records
7. Consolidation of mass media in the hands of a few ('cons)
8. Plunging economy
And last, but not least, why a sniveling suck-ass like Hannity is paid to be stupid.
Most churches are controversial, with regard to the supposed tenets of Christianity.
Rusty Secret Muslim Shackleford @ 12:
Also, Hannity is now admitting that faux has a far reich-wing political agenda.
Why is controversial in quotation marks? Obama's church [i]is[/i] controversial.
Go to their damn website
Don't tell me that I should feel comfortable with the potential leader of the free world going to a church that talks about a "Black Value System".
I don't want to hear about McCain and Hagee either. Because while the situation isn't much different, simply pointing out 'somebody else is doing it too!' doesn't make it OK.
Yeah seriously! WTF???
According to faux, mcstain can do no wrong and Obama is actually OBL in disguise.
Isn't this the same church Oprah attends?
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 9:
Hells yeah!
Tom Piltoff @ 16:
You don't want to hear about McCain and Hagee because it proves the hypocrisy of faux and the reich-wing.
Marge @ 10:
Keep the man hatred alive Marge!!!
I just watched a video on the Huffington Post of Obama's minister and after hearing that ignorance I will never vote for Obama. Go take a look it blows my mind. To think that only blacks are in terrible situations in this country - get a life.
Need to stop watching Hannity and Colmes and start exposing the real crooks and liars these two front for.
When is Hannity going to get his panties in a snit over real issues affecting real Americans like how to make the choice of feeding your family, paying the mortgage or putting gas in your car so you can get to your multiple jobs at which you haven't received a wage increase in the past 3 years?
When I went to bed last night I could have sworn we had several wars, rising energy costs, a housing meltdown and the village idiot for president to be concerned about.
Apparently all of that cleared up during my sleep so that we can deal with the truly significant issue of our time: Sen Obama's choice of church affiliation.
Dang I need to sleep more, a few more good night's sleep and all will be good with the world. Maybe when I wake up tomorrow the horror in Darfur will be resolved.
Good night.
Stick to the issues my ass. This country is so fucked up.
Most 'christian' churches campaign all the time. I'm for zero tax status for all churches...it's all crap
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Revised....I meant all churches pay taxes.
Big fucking deal bla bla bla. Churches shouldn't be tax exempt anyway because they're whoring for one candidate or another.
Tom Piltoff @ 16:
So you also don't feel comfortable with a leader of the free world who believes that a 2,000-year-old zombie is going to clap his hands and suck his followers into paradise using some kind of celestial vacuum cleaner, but only if we can gather all the Jews in Israel first? Did ya complain about that, Tom?
robyn williams @ 28:
No you are ripping the Liebercrat Party. Just shut up and vote and when she loses, stop the whining.
Morons believe blacks are black because they were on the wrong side during the battle of the universe. WHere is Hannity's fake outrage?
I'll Vote for Wall Street Obama is he gets the Nomination.
Doesn't make any difference at this point.
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 33:
Mormons.....oops. :)
I love how people are calling out Obama's church, but have nothing to say about John McCain's Baptist church and its hateful teachings about gays
This election has turned me into a conservative. I don't enjoy being called a "racist" when I ask the very same question.
I never thought I would see the day the MSM and the progressive blogosphere were supporting each other. It is not about who is qualified it has become a race about race and it will only get worse.
This blog lets Obama get way with murder like the MSM did with Bush
C&L has shown the Geraldine Farraro video, when will you be showing Obama's preacher, the Rev. Wright's video ranting about Hillary Clinton. Fairness is fairness, C&L has said it will not take sides, well let's see how fair your really are.
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 35:
Maybe you were right the 1st time.
robyn williams @ 28:
Instead of beginning your nonsensical diatribe with the term BS, you should have ended it with "all of what I just said is BS." Wow what a scary angry man you are.
Obama Applewhite. @ 37:
Wah! Wah! Point, point, clap, clap. "You should be ashamed"...SOB....I am woman hear me roar......."it's the skin colour".........blah, blah, blah.........I'm starting to think the only Hillary supporters that exist in the real world, are Republicans that know none of their parties candidates were worth a hill of beans.
Kudzu @ 38:
and the snippets you're showing are not the ones I am a posting about......I am talking about the entire video, it's at YouTube, let's see it.
Obama Applewhite. @ 37:
And exactly who has Obama murdered? Come back when you have something intelligent to add to the discourse.
Kudzu @ 38:
http://tinyurl.com/2q7kma
Um, I belonged to a black church growing up, and we talked about building up the black community and frequenting black businesses all the time. We also talked about a sense of pride in our ancestry to our children. This may sound racist and awful to you, but have you seen our community!?! It's being led by gangsta rappers and blowhards, we NEED to push for a little African pride so that we can get out of the wilderness. (At least that's how I see it!)
By the way, I belong to a United Church of Christ, and these churches (most of 'em, I'm sure there's exceptions) teach the word of God as the Rabbi known as Jesus would've had it taught.
Then again, I could be wrong.
BTW, I'm like the only black dude in the whole church!
Obama Applewhite. @ 37:
I am hoping C&L will be more fair, it is the only blog left that I read, most of the others are nothing more than Obama rants and garbage.
And such "bravery" by the Mainstream Media *did explore* the almost total dominance of GOP puppet pastors in pulpits pushing their congregation to vote for Republican candidates espoused by the Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition?
That's one advantage that right-wing talk show hosts have over their liberal counter-parts, Republicans have a long-term memory deficit, so history can be re-written over and over to suit the needs of the moment.
Yellow Elephant Safari (Hussein) @ 43:
He's murdered Hillary's entitlement to the throne, dontcha know.
She's ran one of the worst campaigns imagineable, and STILL they point and blame everyone but themselves. Sad to see so much floundering. Maybe when it's finally done, they will all blame Bill and the divorce will finally come down the tubes.
Kudzu @ 42:
Obama's minister isn't a paid worker for his campaign.
This Rev. Wright is a hatemonger and Obama has been in this church for 20 years and donated more than $20,000 to this church lasy year (check his tax records) Questionable judgment!!!! Hell, when my church told us to vote Bush because of abortion and the patriotic duty, I left and changed churches(and that was not hateful speech). Obama should have left a long time ago. Ferraro was mild compared to this.
dee-Hussein-zus @ 45:
Doesn't bother me at all.
I grew up in a working class Italian family and we did basically the same thing.
Let's get a little perspective here. Evangelical churches have been politicized for decades going so far as to say a vote for a Democrat is a vote for the devil, but Obama belongs to a church that works with the community and people have a problem with that?
I think there is far more to be learned by looking at what Obama has done in the past. Coming from Harvard Law and Editor of the Law Review he could have gone anywhere and done anything making 5x the amount he would make as President, but he came back to Illinois and worked in the poor neighborhoods. If his church is responsible of that kind of commitment to the less fortunate, I'll join it myself.
L.A. Confidential @ 44:
Obama to repudiate and distance himself from this guy ASAP.
Obama Applewhite. @ 37:
What "murder" is Obama getting away with?
guess he missed the gma/brian ross hatchet job this morning.
liberal media.
right.
Obama Applewhite. @ 37:
Obama's church is no different that any other ethnic church. Do you see Hannity and his ilk chiding Irish or Polish Catholic churches? There's nothing wrong with having a little cultural pride at your church. There's nothing racist about it and anyone of any ethnicity is welcome to join. It's a double standard that some people have for black churches, and it's totally unfair and racist.
Well, the GOP just got all the swiftboat material they'll ever need for this candidate. But keep spinning Obamabots and tell yourself it won't matter because Hagee endorsed McCain.
Easier for Sean Hannity to go after a pastor who is world-renouned and tells the truth, plus has passed the IRS test, than to go after Hagee, Parsley, Creflo Dollar or Eddie Long for their support of McCain to continue funding lavish lifestyles with the filthy lucre collected in the name of Jesus under an IRS tax-exempt status.
Wake this Christian when it's over - I'm busy trying to really represent Jesus and clowns like Sean Hannity, Rod Parsley, John Hagee and Eddie Long exhaust me.
Read more about it here: www.godspolitics.com
I'm sorry, the name of the book is "God's Profits" which is available over at Buzz Flash.
www.godsprofits.com
www.buzzflash.com/premiums
dee-Hussein-zus @ 49:
Obama's minister was his mentor, he is the person that coined the phrase "Audacity of Hope" for which Obama named his book. Rev Wright is hardly irrelevant to Obama and his campaign, just as was Donny McClurkin. It is time for Obama to be held to the same standard as Hillary Clinton, we already have one mistake in the white house we don't need another.
Kudzu is right. Crooks and liars should put the complete video found at abc.news. This reverend is despicable. Hate and stupidity come from all sides. Let's be fair now.
L.A. Confidential @ 53:
Thanks for the link
So wha -up hannade wha-up LOL CNN never called me n*gger Fox and MSNBC has. Anyway The wha-up hannadi was funny seems he was mocking hannity cause hannity feels and think that all black people talk that way so he wanted to make hannity feel at home great clip.
Kudzu @ 61:
What "standard"? Is Hillary's church being challenged?
Lollimom @ 13:
Inquiring minds do want to know.
Kudzu @ 61:
True, but we don't always agree with our mentors. I have just as much of a problem as anybody with Rev Wright giving Louis Farrakan a lifetime achievement award, but Obama has consistently condemned Farrakan and said that he does not agree with his Church on this one.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WRZLgqGcIz8
I have no problem with scutinizing churches when politics are involved, but if the government does it, it better be even-handed (which we know won't be considering this administration). As for the public, I think it's fair game to look at the connections, or endorsements, or donations, that happen between religious organizations and candidates. All levels. I don't care if they are D or R or I...transparency and disclosure are useful tools.
BTW, I agree with the sentiment that churches should have to have a high burden of proof to retain tax-free status, starting with business holdings (Marion 'Pat' Robertson, Falwell Inc., etc) and all the property/cars/jets the leaders hold, all seemingly as their flocks get fleeced.
Any bets Keith O will spend 10 minutes bashing this Reverend? Nah! I didn't think so!
I am sorry, I cannot defend any church for their forays into the world of politics. There is not supposed to be a religious test for office in the United States, but get real, there is. To try to claim that one church leader's actions are more virulent than another to me comes out as a lose lose pox on both your houses situation. I don't care what mythology you subscribe to, keep it the F#*K away from government. With all the crazies like Hagee, Parsley, Robertson, not to mention Ted Haggard I am surprised that Hannity would want to bring up the subject of religion at all.
Where's Obama'a judgment in sticking with this Reverend for 20 years and having him go bless his house? Also, did he bring his 2 daughters to hear these nasty hate-filled sermons?
Religion is poison. Pure and simple. Add it to anything and it destroys it.
Chicken "Hussein" Little - NOT!! @ 25:
Hey, don't forget -- Eliot Spitzer f*cked a hooker!!! Top story on cnn.com.
Nate F @ 22:
What in your mind makes Obama responsible for what his Pastor says or does?
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 9:
This is certainly one topic upon which we can agree. To those who think it is unfair for him to single out Obama and ignore the multiple religious nutbars behind McCain I can only say that expecting fairness and balance from these clowns has long been known as the most unreasonable of expectations. It isn't going to stop either. I don't think anyone would find the pastors remarks to be much more than just poor taste but he is clearly using his church of behalf of a candidate. The fact that the IRS will turn a blind eye to republican bully pulpit support is irrelevant. This isn't going to help Obama but it isn't going to hurt him either if he handles it adroitly.
"until someone in the mainstream media has the courage to take this on."
Isn't it cute the way they pretend fox isn't MSM?
I love this! Well-said.
I know that you did not intend to write an all-inclusive list, but I would suggest a few additional entries:
9. Veterans not receiving adequate health care after returning from Iraq
10. Absurdly incompetent political appointees and cronyism
11. Corrupt Department of Justice
12. Corporate control of Congress
13. Oil companies raping the average American citizen, imposing an unlegislated tax on each American that buys gasoline
14. Spineless Democrats that will not restore Habeas Corpus or protect our civil liberties.
15. The loss of impeachment as a Constitutional tool to prevent setting up a "Unitary executive" in the White House.
Regarding the last point. I am so tired of hearing Bush use the phrase "my government" ("my gumment"). He is not head of the U.S. government. He is the head of the Executive Branch of the U.S. Government. There are two other co-equal branches.
Lollimom @ 13:
Dr. Acula @ 73:
More than one. Would you be happier if he had got nailed with cocaine? Both are supposed to be illegal. If I recall correctly, he campaigned on fighting these things, did he not? 80 grand. Wow. Wonder how much of that was tax dollars "hard" at work.
And we will continue to expose this until someone in the mainstream media has the courage to take this on.
Brilliant. Sean Hannity admits on air that Fox News is not a news organization.
Peter G @ 75:
Agreed. If wingnut religious preachers don't affect the Republicans, they will not affect the Dems. Old people like listening to this crap, cuz they are scared they are gonna die soon.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 80:
If they are going to die soon, why would they care who is elected?
Ron @ 74:
It is the idea that he would attend and listen to these remarks which have probably been spoken in the past but I cannot make that in certainty as I am not a follower of religions and despise them however there is at least some chance that he would be influenced by this.
MargeAggedon @ 72:
As a recovering Catholic, and depending upon my mood, agnostic/atheist, I say "Amen".
Ron @ 81:
I don't know, but they like politicians that spiel the gospel according to fables. Ask GW. One of his main supporters were the religious.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/13/jeremiah-wright-obamas-_n_91312...
This actually is quite troubling.....I was not aware that Rev White had made such ridiculous statements. Obama is still not responsible for what Wright says, but if I cannot understand why he would not distance himself for this pastor and why he still proudly proclaims him membership with this church. It's seriously making me rethink my support....
Nate F @ 82:
Does that make him responsible? And what if he goes to that church for the same reason most people go to church.
To be honest, who fucking cares anymore.
Both Hillary and Obama should disavow the ENTIRE PREMISE that what religious leaders say about them etc is a valid point of discussion. RELIGION AND POLITICS SHOULD HAVE NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING to do with each other. You cannot compare Ferraro to Wright. Here's why: Ferraro was a senior member of Clinton's campaign staff. Wright is not officially part of Obama's campaign staff. Power was, and she was GONE before you could blink for calling Hillary a monster, which isn't quite as bad as what Ferraro said regarding Barack, but it was close. The discussion about churches stumping for politicos is a whole different thread. I think we ALL agree that pastors etc should keep their fucking noses out of the political arena (I'm looking at you Hagee and you Wright), and if they have an opinion on a political matter feel free to express it OUTSIDE OF YOUR FUNCTION AS A RELIGIOUS LEADER.
That is all.
We all really need to remember who the real enemy is in this election cycle: John Bomb Iran McCain. I don't care who wins the primary anymore, I support Barack but will hold my nose and vote for Hillary, we really need to focus on keeping the hothead who wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years while bombing the fuck out of Iran OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
Nate F @ 82:
While I cannot speak for Obama's minister, I can tell you of my religious upbringing. There were instances when the ministers and the head deacon (my granddad!) would speak about fixing our (read: black) community, ethnic pride, not depending upon white people for our successes. My church also held Farrakhan in a mostly positive light (apart from the hate Jews thing, he does speak to the community). However, 95% of the time, the sermons, prayers, bible studies, and discussions were about Christ and how to be a better Christian.
I guess I'm an anti-semite and racist and every despicable thing said in my church is just an extension of myself. I didn't leave that church until I moved to a different state. When I go home, that's the church that I go to.
hannity is not a journalist, he is a shill for the g.o.p., nothing more.
Why does anyone even take any notice of this Twat. A friend of mine summed Hannity up perfectly.
the mans a cancerous polyp on the anus of humanity
Liberal Traitor @ 87:
Amen. Oh, sorry if I offended anyone.
Why isn't anyone raising a stink about Hannity ripping off Wounded and Dead Veterans?
Hannity's so-called Freedom Concerts are a scam! Why won't Hannity open the books and let the public see how much he raises, and how much actually reaches back to the the Wounded and their families? He won't even discuss it!
On their 2007 Tax Form 990 to the IRS, Freedom Alliance/Freedom Concerts reported over $9.6 in public contributions to help the vets, but ONLY SPENT $397,900 on the vets themselves!
Go to: guidestar.org Register and log-in, then type in; Freedom Alliance click on , then click on the Freedom Alliance from Dulles,Va. Read their tax reports for the years of '04,'05,'06 (more if you pay a fee) You'll see where the money's going and it's not to the Vets they're using to raise the money for!
Michael @ 85:
What troubles me is Obama has modeled his speeches after this man, you will notice many similarities between the two's speeches. Take away a few of his rants and you have Obama speaking to the audiences on the campaign trail.
Ron @ 91:
Why you dirty little Fucker. Here I am decrying the entanglement of religion and politics and you have to come along and contribute to it with your snotty little "Amen"!
(/snark off)
dee-Hussein-zus @ 49:
Ferraro wasn't a paid worker either. Obama's minister is however still on the campaign Religion committee. The leap to connect the church to Farrakhan is not a long one. The church publishes a magazine that named Farrakhan "Man of the Year" - it is published by Wright's daughters.
Liberal Traitor @ 94:
LOL!
Ron @ 91:
here, here!
We need to all decide that whoever is the nominee, that we will vote for that person over McCain, because while I like Barack and you may like Hilary, we both like both of them a helluva lot more than John McCain and the Rethuglicans!
Kudzu @ 61:
Obama has used the race card a long time ago in his book "Audacity of Hope" I have been reading it and going back to it more often coming away with some of the biggest flip floping anyone does and no one challenges Obama on it.
Check this out http://dyn.politico.com/snetwork/profile/profile_blog_view.cfm?id=B0DFCB...
Rusty Secret Muslim Shackleford @ 12:
Hear, hear, brother Shackleford. Amen.
We all really need to remember who the real enemy is in this election cycle: John Bomb Iran McCain. I don't care who wins the primary anymore, I support Barack but will hold my nose and vote for Hillary, we really need to focus on keeping the hothead who wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years while bombing the fuck out of Iran OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
Amen. Oh, sorry if I offended anyone.
here, here!
We need to all decide that whoever is the nominee, that we will vote for that person over McCain, because while I like Barack and you may like Hilary, we both like both of them a helluva lot more than John McCain and the Rethuglicans!
I agree 100%.
I'm not going to get into an argument about this subject, but speaking as a person who has attended Trinity on multiple occasions, there is nothing out of the ordinary at all about Obama's church. It is one of the 5 largest churches in the African american communities of chicago and is attended weekely by thousands of normal, everyday hardworking people, and out of it has risen a few prominent members such as Sen Obama.
Rev Wright has never preached hatred of white people, but for the upliftment of the black community that he has served for decades. It's a black church not because white people aren't allowed but for the simple fact that there are none that live anywhere near it, as chicago is and has been the most segregated city west of boston since forever.
I just don't understand how preaching about pride and self reliance to a community that in some areas is lacking both areas is a bad thing.
This JUST IN!!!!
According to my republican, baptist, cranky, old battle-axe of a coworker, Obamas preacher is...(hold onto yer butts) a raaaacist! *Mock Gasp* I guess it's official now.
God I hate that woman sometimes.
Nate F @ 22:
Yeah sure, liar. Obama just lost your vote. Cancel Christmas Nate. The election is over, damn it. Trolls like you crack me up. You know fucking well that you NEVER had any intent to vote for Obama in the first place. Vote for whoever you wish clown, your limp dick threats don't mean shit.
Ron @ 99:
Amen. Oh, sorry if I offended anyone.
here, here!
We need to all decide that whoever is the nominee, that we will vote for that person over McCain, because while I like Barack and you may like Hilary, we both like both of them a helluva lot more than John McCain and the Rethuglicans!
I agree 100%.
Yeah, I'm down with that.
Nancy50 @ 95:
So? Hillary supporters should really count their lucky stars that Obama has ran a campaign like he has. If he had went the route she did, tossing the kitchen sink, the plumbing and anything else out there, it would be overkill of the nuclear blast magnitude. Every questionable transaction/contact of the Clintons, would make a novel!!!
Left&Left @ 102:
haHA! Zing o' the day ladies and gents! A round of applause for Left&Left!!!!
jason @ 100:
To me, you said it very well.
And when is Hannity going to denounce his white supremacist, pal Hal Turner? I hope the mainstream media has the courage to report on that, too
Um, isn't Hannity Catholic? Not like there's anything controversial in that church's history. Pedophile cover up, hiding of Nazis, siding with the fascists in the Spanish civil war, etc.
Funny thing, for the most part, Louis Farrakhan is revered in the black community (self disclosure: I'm black), and most of us are all about what he is saying. And then he goes out into left field with this anti-Jewish shit. He shoots his own great speeches and sermons in the foot when he decides that once we're along for the ride, he needs to pull out that kernel of stupid.
The best way to watch a Farrakhan speech is to listen intently take in everything he says, and when he mentions Israel or "white devils" switch the channel. It takes concentration and lightning fast reflexes, but I got that shit pretty much perfected.
(some of us also think he had a hand in killing Malcolm......we liked Malcolm)
Anything to divert attention away from the Republican economy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080313/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080313/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/wall_street
Doug @ 107:
I'm not a Catholic, but there is much more wrong with Hannity, than the Catholic church.
jason @ 100:
It turned out pretty badly for Malcolm.
for the past 8 years, george the chimp embraced the most virulent anti semetic, anti gay, anti anything not conservative churches, and the msm didnt say boo
im so sick of this double standard
and yes....america is run by rich white men
When will the MSM be brave enough to cover the entire conservative movement's ties to the Unification Church?
Why hasn't the "liberal" media ever investigate boosh's ties to the Carlisle Group and the Ben Laden family?
They haven't even whispered a word about grandpa Prescott Bush being a Nazi supporter and an unidicted co-conspirator in a conservative attempt to overthrow the US in the 1930's. BBC Radio 4 isn't your usual conspriracy nut-case source.
John Gorenfeld @ 111:
Of course you mean Reveran Moon, owner of the Washington Times, run by Bill Kristol.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 8:
Agreed.
There is a very clear rule. Thou shalt not endorse. I think the pastor crossed the line.
I don't think any church should be tax-exempt, and I think its bullshit to start with this one. But, I won't shed any tears if they start taking away tax exempt status.
And by the way, this guy went on this trip with Farrekan and about 50 other people.
Sean, my background as a construction worker and bartender make me an expert, Hannity is a complete dick. He is only one of many that will slinging shit at Obama as fast as they can once the nomination process is completed.
Old Billy Hussein @ 115:
And about 30 years ago.
Tom Piltoff @ 15:
I've been to their website before. I'm not so insecure in my faith nor in my whiteness that I find offense in the concept of uplifting African Americans through faith and worship. Lifting them up does not mean they are trying to bring me down. Nor did I find Rev. Wright's sermon that Hannity found so controversial all that upsetting. He's is telling his congregation to celebrate that there is finally someone on the national scene that understands the obstacles and racism they deal with daily. If you don't think that happens, you haven't been paying attention. FWIW, my sister and her husband (neither of whom are African American) belong to a very similar church and I've attended services with them...they are simply far more joyous and uplifting than the stoic Catholic masses I attended in my youth. They did speak to the Black experience during the service and rather than be threatened by it, I found it empowering and enjoyed it greatly.
As to Farrakhan, I don't agree with some of his more extreme positions (and some I believe have been taken out of context), but I acknowledge that he has made positive strides in the black community and can appreciate why that would be valued by TUCC. I didn't agree with everything Mother Teresa did but I think she's an admirable person. I can't think of a single person with whom I agree completely or doesn't hold some ideas that are a little crazy. That doesn't mean that I can't find aspects of them to be appreciated.
This kind of rigid, black and white thinking (pardon the pun) is a little immature, IMO. Obama is not Wright, nor is he Farrakhan. He cannot be held responsible for everything they say or believe. This is not the same as Ferraro, who was speaking on behalf of the Clinton campaign.
"if he had went the route she did.." Hey Concerned @ 104 101 english might be a good thought......and Obama's feet of clay are showing...and it is going to hurt him....Ferraro got slammed for her one speech...Obama's spirtual adviser and preacher has decades of shit to play with...........this is way being green and not vetted is dangerous when playing on the national stage about to do battle with Swift-Boating Republicans....I mean Obama ran for the 1st time in the fall of 2004 against Allen Keyes.....hardly a rought time...this is his first big fight.....lets see how he and his fanclub do..
sean handuphisass should be outraged at the
evangelical churches preaching political rhetoric at
their pulpits, not to mention all the hate, biggotry
and crap they push daily.
douglas in oklahoma @ 119:
I'll take that fight.
Nicole, From what I have read, Rev Wright does serve on Obama's campaign and you have not shown the other video floating around where he insults the Europeans and bashes Hillary. That, IMO, is 100 times worse than the Ferraro incident(which was totally stupidity). Let's be fair and show that video, as well.
BTW, Bill O'Racist is picking up the this latest reich-wing topic. He's been talking about this very topic this morning on his radio show. Why do reich-wingers hate faith and Christians?
douglas in oklahoma @ 119:
Well he appears to be smacking Hillary around, is this another easy fight?
grand Marnier @ 123:
Link?
Nicole, some other points. How do you explain someone staying with this church for 20 years, donating more than $20,000, having the Rev bless your home and baptize your children? Obama must really like what this Rev stands for to be so loyal to this reverend. It questions his judgmnet. PLEASE watch the other video and then tell me what to think.
Old Billy, I do not know how to link but I read it at Politico and ABC news
people don't generally leave churches. It has to get pretty bad to leave your church home.
I'm talking "no longer talking about God" bad.
One other thing: It was pretty darned insensitivie hypocritical to have Kate Obenshain, whose own associations leave a lot to be desired, as a guest to add to the pile on against Obama's associations. Obenshain was the chief of staff of George "Macacawitz" Allen's 2006 campaign, you know, the one where he was caught exhibiting racist and anti-Semitic leanings. Obenshain also worked for Allen when he was governor of Virginia. But she was only introduce as being from the Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute.
grand Marnier @ 127:
I did watch the video. Are you so insecure in your "European-ness" that you took offense to that? He's using metaphors to talk about overcoming bigotry to live in Christ's words.
Rev. Wright stands for uplifting African Americans through worship and faith. I have no problem with that. As with gay marriage not detracting from the validity of my marriage, I don't see how celebrating that there is someone with a national platform that finally understands the black experience in any way detracts from me.
grand Marnier @ 128:
Well, I found this on Politico. By the way, that site sucks - still calling John McCain a "Maverick."
This really doesn't look that bad to me. Are you sure Wright is in Obama's campaign?
grand Marnier @ 122:
I happen to like C&L. I don't always like what some people say at C&L and I don't always agree with their posts. Should I quit coming to C&L because I don;t always agree? In the same sense, should Obama quit going to his church if his pastor says something Obama doesn't agree with. Most of these arguments are stupid and demeaning to you.
I guess perception is reality and i saw that video filled with hate . Not too much love coming out of his mouth. Obama is not typical of the AA. He is mulato and was brought up in a relatively wealthy environment and i am happy for him and his family to have peace, love and comfort. I, have those things, too, but if I heard in my church this bashing of others and especially Hillary, who has done much good for the AA and women and children, I would leave this hostile environment. It is not in my comfort zone and I am questioning why Obama chose to be a part of this. This will not help in the GE. We are doomed! That's all!
Obama needs to differentiate between spiritual and political advice. If McCain/Hagee can go away then so can this - but I don't think it will.
Wright needs to keep his mouth shut and not do interviews. Hillary needs to keep her mouth shut and not fuel the fire.
In the end, this just confirms my beliefs that religion and politics are a bad mix, and are only beneficial in the vague fuzzy lovey, well, FAKE, way, that most politicians use it.
grand Marnier @ 133:
What do you mean he's not typical of the AA (that sounds a little fucked up, but hey) he's mulatto, but he's dark enough to feel the cool touch of institutionalized racism. Do you think the European half of him is a flack jacket against hate?
grand Marnier @ 133:
He never said anything bad about Hillary in that video. It is not hate-filled to say this country is run by rich, white men. All he said was that Hillary doesn't know what its like to be a black boy raised by a single mother, or to be called a n*****, or to have to defend herself from people who say she isn't white enough. All of which, I figure, are true.
Obama, on the other hand, doesn't know what its like to have his boss ask him to dress more sexily.
Maybe I'm not the right one to judge. I didn't really have a problem with Malcolm saying white people are "blue-eyed devils."
Old Billy Hussein @ 136:
grand Marnier @ 133:
What makes you think that Obama was raised in a "relatively wealthy environment"? Relative to whom?
deezus @ 137:
I figured that was mostly about money rather than the message.
Old Billy Hussein @ 138:
Billy, this guy is obviously racist and ignorant of facts.
"Um, Sean? Aren’t YOU part of the mainstream media?"
NO! They operate out of their grandmother's basement! So there!
Old Billy Hussein @ 139:
I don't know, when he came back from Mecca after seeing other Muslims of all races, he knew that it was wrong to hate someone for the color of their skin. He went against the leader of the Nation of Islam and spoke of peace.
!!!BLAM!!!
They weren't ready for that shit.
And while they're at it, they can explore some of the fundamental Christian groups - the Christian zionists or Dominionists, to name but a few. Both support Republican candidates. Mr. Hagee is pretty far out there, and McCain has embraced his support. Oh, and of course, will they be asking the same about Romney and his Mormonism? I don't really care, and no offense to Mormons, but what's the difference? When you scratch beneath the surface, some of those Mormon beliefs are pretty far out there, not to mention racist. I'm so sick of scum bags like Sean Hannity being allowed to take this tack. I guess since the Muslim thing doesn't seem to be working, not that it should even be an insult, they now have to disparage his church and make him guilty by association.
When are they going to change his name to Malcom NC-17?
Spicegal @ 143:
But, by disparaging his church, they have to admit that he's a Christian. I love how this is working itself out.
BTW, if people want to be shocked by what black people say when we're alone, go to a black barbershop or beauty salon. We're FAR more honest there than we are in church. You gotta be nice at church.
No one is spared at the barbershop.
ysbaddaden @ 144:
LOL!
I'm gonna need you to stand in the corner. You're on time-out for like 5 minutes.
116 Cracker’s for Christ
Jesus is a parakeet?
deezus @ 146:
Here in Texas we tell Aggie jokes. Texas A&M used to print them in small booklets.
You know how to drive an Aggie crazy?
Put him in a round room and tell him to pee in the corner.
Old Billy Hussein @ 125:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh6sSExynS4
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