please...no more

Where was the wingnut outrage when Falwell and Robertson blamed America for the 911 attacks?

JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system..

Who cares ? It's Fux "News" . The less we listen to these phony broadcasters, the sooner they will dry up and blow away .

Now this is breaking news!!! Hannity and Colmes is a Right Wing Hack show!

Who'da Thunk It?

Let's get Keith to bring on some rational folks to talk about Hagee and Parsley!!

naa...too reasonable....

Pay not attention the the Republican economy taking hold, be distracted!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/15/us-economy-beset-by-probl_n_916...

Gosh, it's a good thing Rev. Wright isn't running for president.

Thats it! Sean Hannity is Malanie Morgan.

Who wants to bet that the "Obama is a Muslim" smears will continue? This is all becoming surreal.

I make it a point never 2 listen or watch fox news. But since this site posted the link, i thought i might click over. Yikes. These guys are haing a field day over this. At least this came out now while we still have a terrific & vetted candidate. Clinton is going to be a great president.

You people are all screwed. Obama will be no different than McInsane or Clinton. He'll look all nice on camera, smile alot and back slap with the best of them but in the end you will get the same thing you've had for the last seven years. You people remember why the great decider got the votes that he did get, cuz people thought he would be a great guy to go have a beer with.People are going for Obama for the same reason, they think he's a great guy who will unite the nation. Earth to delusional people, wake up. There was only one politician in the whole race who could of made a difference, who actually cared, and you people threw him under the bus. As far as I'm concerned you get what you get. The only place in your country I still visit is Las Vegas. You know why? The only color that matters is green.I never hear or see this racist crap there, all they care about is the green.
BTW why can an Obama person talk race and its allowed while Ferraro says the truth and she's a racist.
You people seriously need to give your heads a shake and stop drinking the proverbial cool-aid. You're all so easily manipulated...

Bush supporter Jerry Falwell blames America for 911 so Bush must resign!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Ak2Ic00gQ

Conservative terrorists Tim McVeightand Eric Rudolph killed Americans in terrorist attacks on America. Bush and Cheney have killed countless thousands of innocents. How many people has Rev. Wright killed?

Sean Hannity is, I'd have to say, leading this charge. More than anyone else.

He is extrapolating on about Obama's relationship with a pastor of questionable philosophy. Fine. How about Hannity's buddy. This from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner

Identifying himself as "Hal from North Bergen", he became notable in local conservative circles as a frequent caller to the WABC-AM radio talk show hosted by Bob Grant.[3] Turner parlayed this fame into a role as the northern New Jersey coordinator for Patrick J. Buchanan's 1992 presidential campaign. He went on to serve as campaign manager for Libertarian Murray Sabrin in a number of campaigns in New Jersey in the 1990s, including a 1997 gubernatorial campaign.[4][5]

Turner established a friendship with his replacement, Sean Hannity, on whose program he was a frequent presence.

C&L - you're in the top 3 Progressive blogs out there. I think you should highlight this link between Sean Hannity and Hal Turner. Hell, it's more than a link. These guys have been good friends for years. Don't let that piece of shit Hannity get away with this. Please.

Note that not one of those right wingers outraged–outraged, I tell you!–addresses that Obama has disavowed what Rev. Wright has said nor that just as inflammatory and intolerant rhetoric has come out of the mouths of Revs. Rod Parsley and John Hagee, whose endorsements John McCain has actively sought without feeling it necessary to distance himself from their more extreme statements.

Yes. But those two pastors aren't black, save for their hearts.

We all see more of this fire and brimstone appear on cable so we have two wrongs.

Actually I believe in this public domain electromagnetic spectrum, it should be excluded from this so called idealology or any religion on public spectrum space. All this shows the harm and personal appearance to disstruction in society, if you want it, pay for it. All this is showing everyone how dangerous religion the mix is covered into free speech but yet we see contextual stream of bias, interpretation and hate driving what I call a new and modern method of free speech treachery. All with deliberate serious intentions to side track the fundemental of Americas Constitution.

L.A. Confidential @ 28:

Cons will run run run with this from here on out until Election Night. Instead of Osama and Terror, Obama and Reverend Wright will be the cons new home base.

This is American Politics. Circus Maximus.

Fine. Sit them down and tell them they have to choose - either Obama is a Muslim or Obama is a member of a Christian Church where a pastor once said some things. Watch their heads explode.

Not fit to be president! Wow.

I think there's more to the position than not avoiding everybody that has ever said a dumb thing.

Lakeguy @ 21:

You people are all screwed. Obama will be no different than McInsane or Clinton. He'll look all nice on camera, smile alot and back slap with the best of them but in the end you will get the same thing you've had for the last seven years. You people remember why the great decider got the votes that he did get, cuz people thought he would be a great guy to go have a beer with.People are going for Obama for the same reason, they think he's a great guy who will unite the nation. Earth to delusional people, wake up. There was only one politician in the whole race who could of made a difference, who actually cared, and you people threw him under the bus. As far as I'm concerned you get what you get. The only place in your country I still visit is Las Vegas. You know why? The only color that matters is green.I never hear or see this racist crap there, all they care about is the green.
BTW why can an Obama person talk race and its allowed while Ferraro says the truth and she's a racist.
You people seriously need to give your heads a shake and stop drinking the proverbial cool-aid. You're all so easily manipulated...

Let me guess... it was Ron Paul, wasn't it?

ysbaddaden @ 351:

We all know the republicans will probably run another "patriotic" campaign, playing up mccain's background in the military etc.

Truth be told, McCain has a less than stellar military background. But if they want to play that game... although as usual the Dems will lack the balls to play.

Old Billy Hussein @ 330:

tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 324:

Hey ezpz.

In response to @302

I see some people are getting all bent out of shape about the Rev. Do people realize that the church is a very important part of the African-American community? Many racial problems were discussed and decided on in a church.

Remember MLK and his church?

I take Obama at his word.
Now fuck off!

Go Obama!

Re-read Ezpz, post agrees with you.

Ummm, my last post was supposed to be in response to this one by Billy.
Thanks, Old Billy Hussein.

tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 359:

The Dude @ 333:

tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 324:

Hey ezpz.

In response to @302

I see some people are getting all bent out of shape about the Rev. Do people realize that the church is a very important part of the African-American community? Many racial problems were discussed and decided on in a church.

Remember MLK and his church?

I take Obama at his word.
Now fuck off!

Go Obama!

Black people should smile, shut up, and do as they are told. They should count their lucky stars they were saved from Africa. If they don't like it, they can go back.

The gall of these racist uppity black people!

They should get over it! Hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination. Pzzzzzt.... You know who has it bad? Suburbanite white people, 3 decades of affirmative action, and the possibility of their useless kids listening to RAP. All of that is more than enough to make up for the hundreds of years of shitty treatment endured by minorities, but to actually put the white people ahead in the victim scoreboard. And you know what, they are angry... and they are not going to take it anymore!

The real victims here are the white establishment, who have to endure the racist attacks of those black people daring to point out that their shit does in fact stink.

If you had listened to the Rev. you would have known he speaks of RICH white people, not all white people. I don't know why the Rev. didn't just come out and say chimpy and the rest of his mob.

The Dude, you are snarky.

I take it your nic is from Quincey Jones' album. Great album!

Look, let me explain something. I'm not Mr. Lebowski. You're Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. That or His Dudeness... Duder... or El Duderino, if, you know, you're not into the whole brevity thing...

Nicole Belle @ 363:

KyleXY @ 276:

Nicole stop apologizing for Obama!!!!!

These are not ISOLATED incident.

Kyle, I am not doing anything for Obama. These may not be isolated incidences (although I don't know that for a fact), but they are not Obama's words. I am not as troubled by Rev. Wright's words as you apparently are. But then again, I bothered to find out the context of the words, not rely on little out of context snippets supplied to me by a propaganda outfit like Fox News.

What does bother me is the utter hypocrisy of these talking heads, most of whom have said far more hate-filled things about people in this country with far less grasp of facts trying to take down Obama for something his pastor has said.

Where's the outrage over Hagee? Parsley? Hell, they had Melanie Morgan on the show to comment about it and I've heard her say more murderously hateful things on her radio show than what they were able to cull from thousands of sermons Rev. Wright delivered.

All I'm asking for is a little perspective and perhaps not so much gullibility in embracing a Republican framing of events.

can you say COINTELPRO your local friendly FBI surveillance team keeping a record of dissenters and what they say ro preach for use in political campaigns like this.
Aint it nice and dandy when our taxpayer dollars are used to suppress legitimate and lawful worship, protest, and political work.

The Dude Says @366.......

LMAO!!!

Swashbuckler @ 344:

Alan @ 338:

It might just be me, but it seems the Obama supporters here seem only to be able respond to rational dialog with profanity and rage. Maybe that's what this site is though. It's my first and last visit.

It's because logic and reason aren't on their side...

Hillbot. You have no understanding of reason or logic.

Obama will be fine when the white folk get their ruffled feathers all settled.

I know ezpz. I was just adding my 2 cents. :}

Bushed! @ 371:

Can Obama note that he has heard the anger of Wright and his generation, he has heard the anger of women, he has heard the anger of those treated with injustice, and instead of striking back in anger, he has taken action? His whole persona is one of taking people's widely and wildy divergent views and putting them together so that we can see that we have more in common than not. Maybe it would work. I think it's really what he does, and so it would be more genuine than the denial thing.

Nice points. Too convoluted for the average American, though. I was also thinking of how he could say "Listen, I entered this world to understand this community. Has my RECORD shown me to vote to as Pastors words? Have I voted to divide, to harm?"

OOOOOh nooooooooooo.

No ezpz I would never say that to you. I dig you too much.

I should have said "to those..."

SORRY I didn't make that clearer.

Peace bro

The audience in those tapes certainly looked comfortable with what was being said. The didn’t appear to be shocked by the tone, they cheered along. Did you realize one of those speeches, the 9/11 clip was on CHRISTMAS? What kind of church acts that way on Christmas. Certainly not an ethereal healing church.

Word.
If BO would just say "If I'd been in the congregation when I'd heard those hateful comments, I would have walked out. My campaign is about unity, not about dividing us against one another." That would be great.

But unfortunately, he'd already put Wright on his religious advisory committee.

Which gets back to , where the hell were his advisors before the campaign saying "You need to distance yourself from this guy"??? These vidoes did exist. Even a month ago when Fox got onto it....

It all goes to whether he's ready. The more of these incidents that come out, the more it's easy to think he's not.

Holly @ 377:

Conservativeslayer @ 14:

This whole thing is nothing but guilt by association. My favorite wing-nut attack is that Obama attended his church for 20 years, he couldn't possibly not of heard these hate messages. We have 3 clips of sermons, one given 7 years ago, and that's it. The man's been a preacher for 20+ years, is it reasonable to assume that 3 sermons is representative of his entire career? Since I wasn't there in his church every week, and those attacking Obama weren't either, neither I or they can say. What gets me is that Obama, who has denounced and rejected this man, is being criticized for not doing enough to distance himself from Wright. While McCain gets away with saying he just disagreed with Hagee, but refused to reject his endorsement. That was it for McCain, he just said he disagreed and the story was put to bed. Double standard anyone?

The audience in those tapes certainly looked comfortable with what was being said. The didn't appear to be shocked by the tone, they cheered along. Did you realize one of those speeches, the 9/11 clip was on CHRISTMAS? What kind of church acts that way on Christmas. Certainly not an ethereal healing church.

How do you know? Were you there? You are judging based on a 10 second snippet supplied by Fox News. Did you bother to hear the entire context of Rev. Wright's words? I have, and while they are theatrical (and let's be honest, sermonizing is theater), the whole context of what he said was not that offensive IMO.

I could give you 10 second snippets of Mr. Rogers that sound inflammatory out of context too.

Bushed! @ 371:

Can Obama note that he has heard the anger of Wright and his generation, he has heard the anger of women, he has heard the anger of those treated with injustice, and instead of striking back in anger, he has taken action? His whole persona is one of taking people's widely and wildy divergent views and putting them together so that we can see that we have more in common than not. Maybe it would work. I think it's really what he does, and so it would be more genuine than the denial thing.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Leave to some, Jesus would have been a pimp because he cared for Mary Magalin (sp.)

These nitpickers want to have it both ways. If Obama goes into the teaching of Jesus to explain then he's too Christian. He doesn't separate church and state.

iraqhusseinconcilable @ 5:

Who cares ? It's Fux "News" . The less we listen to these phony broadcasters, the sooner they will dry up and blow away .

CNN's Anderson Pooper Scooper was having a field day with the sermons last night. He had Obama on and even asked him if he'd have a problem saying the pledge of allegiance.

Sarah @ 387:

How do you know? Were you there? You are judging based on a 10 second snippet supplied by Fox News. Did you bother to hear the entire context of Rev. Wright’s words? I have, and while they are theatrical (and let’s be honest, sermonizing is theater), the whole context of what he said was not that offensive IMO.

Unfortunately, the shallow voting public is going to make their judgements on the 10-sec snippets they see.

Joe/Jane 6-pack hear wingnuts say "Liberals and Democrats HATE America! They blame us for everything - even 9/11!" and think "Oh that's nonsense." Then they get to hear the 10 sec snippet of "God DAMN America" and go "Wow. Hmm. That's Obama's pastor?"

It's the 10-sec snippet we have to deal with unfortunately.

That may be true, but it isn't helped by people politically engaged enough to be on this website furthering the meme. Let's leave that to those scared, uninformed people who get all their information from Fox News.

Nicole Belle @ 124:

From Oakland @ 72:

"Not factually wrong"... I live in Oakland, I have voted over and over again for Barbara Lee, and I am used to hearing from friends much of what Wright says in the videos. This point of view takes nearly every act of the US and frames it to make the US look -- alone among nations with the exception of Israel -- totally evil and without an ounce of morality. When Wright lists the bombing of Hiroshima, etc. and then says the US did all of these "without batting an eye" he is wrong. There is debate within the government, there are debates in the media, there are debates among the citizens on all of these issues. Yes, our government makes disastrous decisions (Iraq among others) but as a nation we are not an evil monolith. Wright's presentations are at the level of Star Wars. The movie theatre and comic books may be the places for this kind of look at good and evil, but a church and a spiritual leader and mentor should be operating at a much deeper level. "God Damn America" -- I've heard a lot, but that phrase got to me. I won't forget it in November.

With all due respect, I am from your area (used to live in Rockridge), have attended black churches and you've taken everything Rev. Wright said hugely out of context. There is some dramatic licensing being taken to be sure...but he is not saying "God damn America." You are falling for the FNC framing of using inflammatory snippets without the larger context.

And frankly, between you, me and the millions of readers of this blog weekly, when I look at stories like

Iraqi casualties, especially due to depleted uranium
Abuses at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo
Extraordinary rendition and torture of innocent victims like Maher Arar
Warrantless (and accountability-free) wiretapping of Americans, most likely for being ideologically opposed to this administration.
War drum beating to invade Iraq
A spineless and complicit media allowing these things to happen

and everything else that I've held dear about being an American being destroyed by the Bush Administration, you know what? I say God damn America for allowing that to happen.

Your anger and passion do you honor but I must take exception to the last sentence. I'm not even an American but I hope that invocation never occurs. Fixing the problems will be a sufficiently onerous burden. I believe history will place the blame squarely where it needs
to go. So much, indeed all, of the hostile crap being posted could be avoided if comments were restricted to words that actually come out of the candidates mouths.Keep fighting the good fight and don't despair.

This is a test of leadership for Obama.

"God Damn America". Unreal. What uplifting words. Great mentor / spriritual advisor. The Audacity of Hate?

tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 378:

OOOOOh nooooooooooo.

No ezpz I would never say that to you. I dig you too much.

I should have said "to those..."

SORRY I didn't make that clearer.

Peace bro

Backatcha, GaMe...No problem. :)
BTW : It's sista, not brother, but let's not let gender divide us. :)

To look at this with fairness, we cannot also forget the hateful comments from Farwell and others. The fact is that Obama is close to this pastor and his position is indefensible, just like people on the right wing with their nuts.

Just a couple of issues to take with FOX and Hannity,

-Hannity shows that he requires a religious test for President. This goes not only against our Founding Fathers. Hannity does not believe in the U.S. Constitution as well. Those are very troubling words coming out of the mouth of someone that continuously must portray himself and those that he assocciates himself with as " Patriots ". Because they factually do not stand for America. They stand for their own private version. This version does not enclude many of existing Americans.

-When it comes to disavowing religion. Hannity and his ilk are wise old theologians all of a sudden?

-If Hannity is so hard pressed to make people disavow their religion. Does Hannity feel all Catholics should disavow the Catholic church and its faith because of the churchs enabling factors in its child abusive priests?

-Shouldn't HANNITY HAVE TO CLARIFY PUBLICALLY, SCRUTINIZE HIS OWN RELIGION AND FAITH TO AMERICANS BEFORE THROWING ROCKS AT OTHERS.

-Hannity should be honest and state, " there is no and never will be any faith of a Democratic candidate that will ever be OK with Hannity's narrow bigoted mindset ".

Excuse me while I act not surprised at that one single bit. FNC (H&C being just one consistent daily example) exists solely to demean & degrade all Dems and liberals, to marginalize them and their message - if not change the subject entirely - in whatever ways they can manage. If it wasn't Wright, today's dust-up would be over something else. I dunno, Barack will need to apologize for his 3rd cousin who had an unpaid parking ticket from 1999, or Barack didn't say "God Bless You" to a stranger who sneezed on a plane flight one time. Or some other chickensh** thing. If they get desperate, maybe they could start counting flag pins again.

That the media - and the Dem candidates, not to mention all of Congress - actually go along with this pathetic, petty, and at this point blatantly transparent tactic over and over again is what's really hurting America. These "debates" only continue to steer public discussion away from the real issues that impact the average American. And it's a sad commentary on the American public in general that We-the-People continue to allow them to get away with it.

Barack & Hillary shouldn't even acknowledge this stuff; 'fighting back' will never work (look how well that worked out for John Kerry). They need to reclaim control of public discussion on issues important to THEM, not the other side, and to STAY ON THEIR MESSAGE.

And IMHO, while major blogs such as this have done a great job at exposing that petty crap for what it is, I think they time has come that you all should stop even giving these situations air time by presenting them as "Man, how can they sit there and be outraged at [X issue], don't they know they're making a big deal out it on [false/petty/etc] pretenses?" Of course they know; of course they're going to be outraged; it's what they do, and what they are.

I'd like just once to see something like this posted - or hey, maybe reported in the news? Nahh, never happen - as, "Hey, get a load of what these morons are hyperventilating about now! And while these clowns were devoting an hour of their clearly overpaid time to [petty outrage of the day], here's a clip from a speech Barack gave on health care today..." [or other such example/issue]

my $0.02 -

Partlow @ 25:

Sean Hannity is, I'd have to say, leading this charge. More than anyone else.

He is extrapolating on about Obama's relationship with a pastor of questionable philosophy. Fine. How about Hannity's buddy. This from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner

Identifying himself as "Hal from North Bergen", he became notable in local conservative circles as a frequent caller to the WABC-AM radio talk show hosted by Bob Grant.[3] Turner parlayed this fame into a role as the northern New Jersey coordinator for Patrick J. Buchanan's 1992 presidential campaign. He went on to serve as campaign manager for Libertarian Murray Sabrin in a number of campaigns in New Jersey in the 1990s, including a 1997 gubernatorial campaign.[4][5]

Turner established a friendship with his replacement, Sean Hannity, on whose program he was a frequent presence.

C&L - you're in the top 3 Progressive blogs out there. I think you should highlight this link between Sean Hannity and Hal Turner. Hell, it's more than a link. These guys have been good friends for years. Don't let that piece of shit Hannity get away with this. Please.

Sean and his buddy Mark Levin are both on record as adoring racist talker Bob Grant too. That might be a nice issue to explore. Hannity even put a blurb on Grant's new book.
(will forward the info,thank you)[Site. Moniter]

Lakeguy,

BTW why can an Obama person talk race and its allowed while Ferraro says the truth and she’s a racist.
Is that a question?

A. The "Obama person" is not part of his campaign staff, and we do have some remnants of freedom of speech. Also, Ferraro was not accurate. Ever hear of a guy named Bobby Kennedy? He ran on a similar platform. People in '68 were fed up with the establishment candidates and wanted change then too. Obama's base supporters don't follow him because he is black. Ferraro was just flat out wrong. I agree that this is all theater and IMHO Obama will be marginally effective at best if elected, but Hillary's worst enemy is her previous experience as an establishment member.

This country remains a backward racist society, as evidenced by the entire theme of this election since Obama became relevant. The whole thing is about race, race and race. Any candidate with any progressive views was quickly marginalized and voted off the island.

I'm an Obama supporter. However, this episode and the reaction of many–including several who have posted here already is really depressing. The efforts to point to Robertson or Falwell, or to say "what do you expect it's Fox?" etc. miss the point. By refusing to actually address what a dilemna this is for Obama his supporters are in a way indicating their understanding of how serious it is to the campaign . Trying to change the subject makes it even clearer that this problem could be fatal for Obama's election. After watching some of the clips of Rev. Wright it seems very obvious to me that when the Republicans (and Fox of course) play these clips over and over (and who knows what else they will dredge up?) Obama's chances could very well evaporate. The strong visual image of Rev. Wright (and his audience) will stick in peoples heads like nothing else can. They are images that undeniably provoke a response that is racist, but I think that many white voters who wouldn't have considered voting for a black presidential candidate before Obama will be turned off by these videos. If you don't think that this is going to drive a significant percentage of centrist (or borderline conservative) white voters towards McCain you are kidding yourself. I can't believe that Obama didn't realize these tapes would surface and be used against him. I'm kind of shocked he hadn't done anything preemptively to minimize the damage. This also effectively negates Democratic criticism of the Hagee/McCain endorsement. How can Democrats point to Hagee now? This is really bad news. It's not going to fade away.

Sam @ 394:

"God Damn America". Unreal. What uplifting words. Great mentor / spriritual advisor. The Audacity of Hate?

Yes. It's terrible. So by all means, do NOT vote for the Rev. Wright for president.

L.A. Confidential @ 139:

Swashbuckler @ 92:

abob @ 82:

CABLE NEWS NIGHT OF MARCH 13, 2008 VIEWERS

FOX has been ahead of the curve covering the Rev Wright story. The American viewing public chooses Fox News by a wide margin. O'Reilly continues to annihilate Keith Olbermann in the prime time slot with triple the audience. Olbermann should name himself 'Worst Person" for such a consistently dismal dead last performance. Keith can do nothing but read Billo's latest ratings and weep:

FNC O'REILLY 2,979,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 2,280,000
FNC GRETA 1,896,000
CNN KING 1,640,000
FNC HUME 1,530,000
CNN COOPER 1,417,000
FNC SHEP 1,392,000
CNN DOBBS 1,057,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,001,000

How could 2,979,000 Americans be so stupid?

911 Changed Everything

2,979,000 people represents 1% of the US population. In any given population from 5 to 10% will be made up of stupid people who are more easily manipulated than the rest of the population. That is where faux gets all thier viewers. Thier too stupid or lazy to do anything else. I don't watch Olberman because I have better things to do besides, if there is anything good I just watch it here, a place I trust to shoot mostly strait...

Is the Swashbuckler show over, yet? Man, do you ever go outside?

Sam @ 394:

"God Damn America". Unreal. What uplifting words. Great mentor / spriritual advisor. The Audacity of Hate?

"The URGENCY of Hate"

I doubt you'll read this, but it really might *uplift* and enlighten you some:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/the-fierce-urgency-of-...

Nicole Belle @ 395:

Peter G @ 390:

Your anger and passion do you honor but I must take exception to the last sentence. I'm not even an American but I hope that invocation never occurs. Fixing the problems will be a sufficiently onerous burden. I believe history will place the blame squarely where it needs
to go. So much, indeed all, of the hostile crap being posted could be avoided if comments were restricted to words that actually come out of the candidates mouths.Keep fighting the good fight and don't despair.

Peter, these things (along with all the injustices surrounding our response to Katrina) are being done in our name. Yes, history will show the Bush/Cheney administration as an evil one. But future generations (starting with my children) will ask why we didn't stop it. And we won't have a good answer for that. I do what I can, but by and large, the American population is incredibly apathetic.

Unfortunately our countries have one critical characteristic in common and that is fifty percent of our respective populations are below average in intelligence and education.Sadly that group includes people with just sufficient intelligence to post toxic and completely unhelpful comments. Today I have armed myself with a tool: Senator Obama's statement on the Wright affair. I am looking for a similarly powerful statement from HRC with regard to personal attacks. It is my intention to bring these regularly to the attention of the more inane posters. What would Obama say? I think he would reject the trash that has been posted here and I believe Clinton would do the same. The very first step to correcting the past injustices you cite has to start with ending this civil war.

Actually I meant to say uncivil war but it scans either way.

Sam @ 394:

"God Damn America". Unreal. What uplifting words. Great mentor / spriritual advisor. The Audacity of Hate?

I wish you ignorant and out of context people would go to hell.

Just think of all those little kids sitting every Sunday listening to that garbage from their pastor. What a great way to start their life. Imagine Obama letting his own kids be a part of it. Does'nt say much for what he'd do for OUR kids, huh????

411 Rico Says:

If he (Obama) comes within 15 points (in Pennsylvania), I’d consider it a victory for him here. I wouldn’t be surprised if he pulls out after a couple of weeks...

My girlfriends complain that I pull out after only a few minutes.

Sarah @ 399:

Rusty Scary Black Church Shackleford @ 398:

Sam @ 394:

"God Damn America". Unreal. What uplifting words. Great mentor / spriritual advisor. The Audacity of Hate?

Yes. It's terrible. So by all means, do NOT vote for the Rev. Wright for president.

Oh for goodness' sake nobody thinks Wright is running for President. The point is thanks to Fox et al, people are going to start associating Wright with Obama. And that's going to hurt him.

It would hurt him if the election were being held tomorrow. Two weeks from now all this fake outrage about Wright will have blown over, just like all the fake outrage about Ferraro is blowing over.

Sarah @ 413:

I doubt either will pull out.

I think we're going to Denver with BO ahead in pledged delegates, and HRC close or possibly even slightly ahead in popular, depending on FL/PA/MI. She's handed him his -ss in every swing.

The polls will likely show (as SUSA does now) that they both narrowly beat McCain in the GE, but in different ways. BO does not win any of the swings except possibly OH - but gets a few mid- and North- western Red states to flip.

HRC does it the old-fashioned way, with 2 of the 3 of PA/FL/OH. (All 3, God willing...)

So the supers will have to decide to bet on BO getting unprecedented flips in red states, or HRC withstanding her negs and holding the swings. I would not want to be one of them.

A pretty good analysis. As things now stand a democratic win with either candidate will require a significantly asymmetrical voter turnout in the Democrats favor and the Republicans are just starting to heave their Rovian turds. The turnout may not be as hoped for come the election.

tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 417:

jules @ 412:

Just think of all those little kids sitting every Sunday listening to that garbage from their pastor. What a great way to start their life. Imagine Obama letting his own kids be a part of it. Does'nt say much for what he'd do for OUR kids, huh????

The trolls are on the stroll.

i thought that was sarcasm..

Ratface @ 415:

All the terrible problems we have been whacked with by the Bush administration
and this is what we're talking about. :-(

Sad but true. If the Democratic majories in Congress had spent the last two years actually attempting to lock up some of these thieves and thugs, I suspect we'd all be talking about that. But again, maybe that's the way it's suppose to work in Washington.

Sarah @ 413:

I doubt either will pull out.

I think we're going to Denver with BO ahead in pledged delegates, and HRC close or possibly even slightly ahead in popular, depending on FL/PA/MI. She's handed him his -ss in every swing.

The polls will likely show (as SUSA does now) that they both narrowly beat McCain in the GE, but in different ways. BO does not win any of the swings except possibly OH - but gets a few mid- and North- western Red states to flip.

HRC does it the old-fashioned way, with 2 of the 3 of PA/FL/OH. (All 3, God willing...)

So the supers will have to decide to bet on BO getting unprecedented flips in red states, or HRC withstanding her negs and holding the swings. I would not want to be one of them.

When I said "pull out" I meant only out of Pennsylvania. It's about conserving resources. Hillary has actually done that with quite regularity this primary season. I actually suspect Obama will go to the convention, get the nomination, and then win the general election. Of course, that all depends upon how much kitchen sink is left to throw at him after April.

While all the Dems are busy eating their own, this quote from Nazi history is good to keep in mind:

"German opposition figures in the mid-1930s often lamented the fact that they could have stopped the rise of the Nazis if only they had been more united in a common front when they had a chance. However, they fell prey to the media manipulation of Goebbels and fought among themselves more than they did against the menace from the far right."

Sure hope you're right Peter!

Polls do not show a walk over for either Dem right now though.

Isn't Melanie an EX talk show host?? (check banner) Nice botox-lips Mel.

I would like to take a moment to say that I'm not voting for Jeremiah Wright.

I am also very happy to announces that I am voting for Barack Obama.

Sorry. I can't watch that crap. Liberals should boycott Fox News.

Liberal politicians should refuse to go onto Fox for interviews. It only perpetuates the stupidity.

Obama should have come out loudly and proudly in favor of Wright and the American tradition of dissent. He should have told America that there is a place in his campaign for honest voices of dissent and protest.

Instead, we get him doing the bidding of Fox News.

Not a shining moment for Senator Obama.

It is BS when Obama says that he never heard these kinds of statements. If the Rev hates America so much, then he should go back to Africa, he also looks to be half white. He mentioned that America has a three strike policy, insinuating that America is trying to incarcerate "blacks", instead of saying such stupid things he should be teaching young blacks that they shouldn't do illegal things. But, I guess they have no choice because the white man is making them do that kind of stuff.

Interesting take over at Kos:

The Wright Stuff
by Scout Finch
Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 08:43:11 AM PDT

Without weighing in on whether or not the content of Reverend Jeremiah Wright's sermons should be denounced by Barack Obama, I do find one aspect of this story quite troubling. We have now seen more sermons from Barack Obama's minister in 48 hours than we ever did of Mike Huckabee ---- and Mike Huckabee was a presidential candidate for 14 long months. Why is it acceptable to scour every last sermon given by Wright, but only weeks ago we weren't allowed to see or read Mike Huckabee's sermons? In fact, not only was it totally ignored by the traditional media, but the few times the question of Huckabee's sermons was raised, it was brushed aside as inappropriate.

Why the hypocrisy? After all, Mike Huckabee was an evangelical Southern Baptist minister who's entire campaign was based on the fact that he was the Christian candidate. Are we to believe that he didn't rail against the US government over abortion in previous sermons? Or homosexuality? We know what he had to say about AIDS victims. I don't imagine one gets to be the be president of the Arkansas Baptist Convention without passionate fire and brimstone sermons as part of his repertoire.

So, I find it curious that the traditional media now has its white hot focus on Barack Obama's religion and a few select words by Reverend Jeremiah Wright. After all, Huckabee made his career as an actual preacher. Why the change of heart in the last few weeks? Why does Obama have to be held responsible for every word spoken during Wright's passionate sermons - while Huckabee is allowed a free ride and never questioned about his own words? From his own mouth?

Well, it's fair game now. If Huckabee reappears as a VP contender or decides to get in the race in 2012, I think we can safely point to this as justification for wanting to see Huckabee's past - in his own words.

Update: As several commenters have pointed out, whenever the subject of Mitt Romney's religion came up - it was portrayed as essentially un-American to even whisper about Romney's Mormonism. I agree that it has no place in politics, but let's make sure this is going both ways.

I've alway had a bit of a soft spot for Alan Colmes and of late he's gone up quite a bit in my estimation. Trying to put the opposite point of view from Bush apologist Sean Hannity must be like pissing into the wind at times but he's learnt how to start punching his weight.

Check out AC's radio interview with Richard Dawkins on the link below. It's very entertaining particularly when taking calls from listeners. Listen to him pawn a mad jewish woman. Very funny.

My view from across the pond is that religion is holding you all back as a nation. It boils down to education and putting religion before the facts is turning a once great super power into a god almighty theme park. You've got too many jesus freaks in power and you give too much publicity to other jesus freaks whose opinions should get them committed.

http://www.richarddawkins.net/article,2360,Richard-Dawkins-on-The-Alan-C...

You can search YouTube for their previous radio interview. That time Dawkins was on the phone not in the studio.

First step to seeing this issue with some common sense:

Stop lumping Rev. Wright in with Falwell, etc.!

He's a billion times more intelligent than those cretins.

Gaaaaaaa!

Last time I checked there is no requirement to be a "Christian" as president in this country. The media are doing there level best to drop the house on Obama because he is in the lead now. The Clinton's have been trying and have gotten not gotten very far. John MCCain's constituentcy IS the media--they love him.

Cindy MCCain stayed in Arizona with her kids and MCCain was in DC during the week--the Russert's, Borger's, Blitzer's, Matthews, Halperin's, Harris and the rest partied and went to dinner and drank with him. They love MCCain. This is such Kibuki theatre that it isn't funny.

What these ass clown's don't get is that we can see right through them--their corporate overlords give them big expense accounts and it is like high school for them--who is going to be in the "cool group". Hannity isn't worth the sweat off my lower back. We have to fight back and let them know that what they are spewing is bullshit.

I won't even watch the clip of Hannity's because it is always a variation on a theme. Tell me he had Melanie Maggot on--she is now unemployed and a certifiable loon. So, lady fair, how is that working out for you now? These people are mites.

Mark Stracke @ 46:

I'm an Obama supporter. However, this episode and the reaction of many–including several who have posted here already is really depressing. The efforts to point to Robertson or Falwell, or to say "what do you expect it's Fox?" etc. miss the point. By refusing to actually address what a dilemna this is for Obama his supporters are in a way indicating their understanding of how serious it is to the campaign . Trying to change the subject makes it even clearer that this problem could be fatal for Obama's election. After watching some of the clips of Rev. Wright it seems very obvious to me that when the Republicans (and Fox of course) play these clips over and over (and who knows what else they will dredge up?) Obama's chances could very well evaporate. The strong visual image of Rev. Wright (and his audience) will stick in peoples heads like nothing else can. They are images that undeniably provoke a response that is racist, but I think that many white voters who wouldn't have considered voting for a black presidential candidate before Obama will be turned off by these videos. If you don't think that this is going to drive a significant percentage of centrist (or borderline conservative) white voters towards McCain you are kidding yourself. I can't believe that Obama didn't realize these tapes would surface and be used against him. I'm kind of shocked he hadn't done anything preemptively to minimize the damage. This also effectively negates Democratic criticism of the Hagee/McCain endorsement. How can Democrats point to Hagee now? This is really bad news. It's not going to fade away.

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/62894.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_9...

check out those links...

the only way those renunciations are unsatisfactory is if you think Obama is being dishonest.

if so, more will come out (ie a video of obama saying hallejluiah and fainting when the rev says goddamn america)

if you believe him, as I do, then there is no story here, and all the ridiculing of hannity and limbaugh et al is appropriate, and not diversionary.

this church is not affiliated with faracon, it's not the KKK, it's a christian church with a loony pastor.

this will get the 29%ers all worked up, but the rest of the world will ignore it, appropriately.

wright is not on any ticket.

I just listened to a portion of tape from Fox interviewing Obama. It was disgusting. Obama was decent enough to go on and answer questions. It sounded like he was being interrogated for committing a crime. I don't know how Obama stays so calm.

tom @ 55:

Well, the fact is that the guy is not a 3rd cousin, or a stranger on a plane. He is the self proclaimed SPIRITUAL LEADER of Obama. This is bad no matter how you look at it or try and excuse it. And the fact that it took so long for Obama to get rid of this guy is all the more troubling. Any person who says “God Damn America” has no place - and I mean no place - on a presidential campaign. That is if they want to win that is. If not, then by all means…

Everything is about context, hear the whole rant.

Also, the whole point of what America is all about is that any citizen is allowed to point its warts. The only way a democracy can be enhanced is by focusing on its short comings, not by continually masturbating about its highlights.

Also the episode happened 7 years ago. I dunno if you were alive then, but that seems to be at the beginning of the XXI century. When a lot of African Americans felt quite disenfranchised with all that voter suppression shenanigans of the 2000 elections.

But I guess, them black people should shut up and smile... that is the only and true "American Way" (tm).

This is Republican marketing at its political high. Target those that are racists that can’t come out and say it. So are in need at some other reason (excuse) that can cammoflage their racism to speak out about Obama and be able to say, ” you know I like Obama and his blackness doesn’t bother me BUT, its his pastor ” . This from people that never go to church themselves more often………….

BINGO! The Republicans are going to bring every possible racist out of the woodwork and God knows there are lots of them. This is going to be one hella ugly campaign season.

Hard to stomach.

I particularly can't stand Hannity waving that God Dam pen around like he knows something.

Friggin dropout unAmerican idiot.

L.A. Confidential @ 59:

Here's ABC's Propoganda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36T1fnIafC0

If, as that video suggests, this sort of hate america talk is pretty common for the church, obama will have trouble....double trouble (because he's lying about it now)

i suppose we'll see...

but if this is clintons one shot, she should take it....if they have good solid evidence that this is all that pastor preaches, week in week out, they should put it out, and obama will be done.....

let it be clinton now rather than mccain in the general

but get a move on either way

put all that money to work...

jules @ 431:

I'll be voting for Hillary. I could never vote for anyone that could think that taking his kids to a place ,any place, that they would be subjected to such a vile, hateful, house of horrors, actually. Is this any way to show your kids what life is all about. Saying Hillary has never been called the n word..... and that's suppose to guide them into their life ? I'm floored by the pastors words......and mostly because there are kids there. Adults, I suppose can handle it, but for the adults to just ignore them being there is just not presidential.

Tee hee. Great sarcasm. I'm voting Hillary "for the children". Got any more jokes?

Ed-hussein-gay-agenda-win Hussein @ 434:

jules @ 431:

I'll be voting for Hillary. I could never vote for anyone that could think that taking his kids to a place ,any place, that they would be subjected to such a vile, hateful, house of horrors, actually. Is this any way to show your kids what life is all about. Saying Hillary has never been called the n word..... and that's suppose to guide them into their life ? I'm floored by the pastors words......and mostly because there are kids there. Adults, I suppose can handle it, but for the adults to just ignore them being there is just not presidential.

Tee hee. Great sarcasm. I'm voting Hillary "for the children". Got any more jokes?

All kids should stay home, turn on the t.v., get brainwashed by Disney and assimilate as much as possible a steady diet of commercials from our corporate overlords (the ones who donate so much money to Hillary's campaign).

jules @ 431:

I'll be voting for Hillary. I could never vote for anyone that could think that taking his kids to a place ,any place, that they would be subjected to such a vile, hateful, house of horrors, actually. Is this any way to show your kids what life is all about. Saying Hillary has never been called the n word..... and that's suppose to guide them into their life ? I'm floored by the pastors words......and mostly because there are kids there. Adults, I suppose can handle it, but for the adults to just ignore them being there is just not presidential.

Madam, with you as mother, your children might already be "damaged goods". What, pray tell, are you teaching them, besides hatred?