China is sure putting a taint on their Olympics

I smell a big Trade Deal being awarded to China from BushCo!

Am I missing something here?

I wonder, were these monks influenced by the monks in Burma? I'm ashamed to say I haven't read many of the news reports.

Any motherfucker who supports the GAMES in any way aught to have their fucking arsehole removed by ravenous wolves!

Those "radical" monks need to be stopped lest they get on boats and terrorize the Homeland. /snark/

Trying not to make a moral judgement here...

There are about, what, 8 billion people in the world, and 1/2 of them are liiving in mainland China? They need land to live on. They need land to grow food. Of course their neighbors are the first that will be taken over.

And remember that as the planet's population continues to grow at exponential rates, this is going to be happening more and more often, all over the planet. Doesn't really matter what types of governments represent the quickly growing nations either. A democracy could do this as easily as an autocracy, because it's not about political philosophy. It's about mouths to feed.

bob @ 6:

The USA need to boycott the Chinese Olympics.

These bastards are rounding up people and parading the prisoners.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3566647.ece

If our government doesn't boycott, individual athletes should -- and make a big deal about doing so.

Was there supposed to be a link to an article?

bob @ 6:

The USA need to boycott the Chinese Olympics.

These bastards are rounding up people and parading the prisoners.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3566647.ece

They are bastards! And people have been protesting the occupation of Tibet for years and years! In previous employment, I refused to work on any projects that were affiliated with the government of China. I quit working at that place a long time ago. And I do my utmost to not buy things made in China. We can hit them in the wallet... it just takes some conscious decisions on our part. And I protest China's occupation of Tibet every single chance I get.

"Trying not to make a moral judgement here…"

Andy, do you know the history of China's takeover of Tibet? If there's no place for moral judgment there, the phrase means nothing whatsoever.

If you want to give the Chinese someplace to live, how about letting them move into your house? And letting them tell you where you can travel and what religion you can practice while they're at it? And how about throwing in some eye-gouging and tongue-pulling while they're at it? Then serve them a nice dinner. Kumbaya.

Andy K Jong Il @ 13:

Trying not to make a moral judgement here...

There are about, what, 8 billion people in the world, and 1/2 of them are liiving in mainland China? They need land to live on. They need land to grow food. Of course their neighbors are the first that will be taken over.

And remember that as the planet's population continues to grow at exponential rates, this is going to be happening more and more often, all over the planet. Doesn't really matter what types of governments represent the quickly growing nations either. A democracy could do this as easily as an autocracy, because it's not about political philosophy. It's about mouths to feed.

Hmm, I thought it was about 6 billion on the planet and about 1 billion in China, and another billion in India, and a bunch in Indonesia, some in Russia, a few here in the US and in Canada... Doesn't matter where or how many. The real issue is one of political control, not of feeding people. Falun Gong, the internet, and the guy at Tianamen Square do/did not get in the way of wheat fields or whatever.

Not very long ago Bush and the Congress gave the Dali Lama a standing ovation, but everyone is silent on Tibet today. I guess there is no oil there, or we are so in debt to China, that we dare not protest.

We just elevated china's human rights status. they are no longer on the top ten list of offenders.

They're probably training our riot police on how to crack down on our democrat monks.

If Bush does not come out and say something about this, is is complicit in this act. I would also like to see him consider a boycott of the Olympics. The Chinese govt is the one of the most oppressive regimes and to not say anything to the American public makes me sick.

curtilingus @ 27:

We just elevated china's human rights status. they are no longer on the top ten list of offenders.

They're probably training our riot police on how to crack down on our democrat monks.

Seriously? Except North Korea and perhaps Burma how much worse than China can you get?

Bet Iran was close to the top on that list, and Israel somewhere around 190

Why is this a surprise? For seven years we've had an administration that has shown nothing but disdain for diplomacy, a disregard for the stature of the United States throughout the world in terms of human rights, and an ignorance of international affairs in general. Why wouldn't the Chinese believe they could act with impunity?

odanny @ 30:

Chinese human rights violations towards Tibet pale in comparison to what is happening to the average Iraqi

That is so true.. however, most americans are ignorant of the history of that region because of it's geographical location.

Andy K Jong Il @ 13:

Trying not to make a moral judgement here...

There are about, what, 8 billion people in the world, and 1/2 of them are liiving in mainland China? They need land to live on. They need land to grow food. Of course their neighbors are the first that will be taken over.

And remember that as the planet's population continues to grow at exponential rates, this is going to be happening more and more often, all over the planet. Doesn't really matter what types of governments represent the quickly growing nations either. A democracy could do this as easily as an autocracy, because it's not about political philosophy. It's about mouths to feed.

This statement is ignorant as hell. This is not about mouths to feed but about China as an authoritarian regime aiming to crush the freedom of the people in Tibet and the desire for Tibet to become free of that abuse. The notion that this is about agricultural land is ridiculous. Have you seen a map of Tibet? It's almost entirely mountains. Not much agriculture going on there. Maybe you should go live there and help the Chinese ravage and pillage more beautiful cultures. You'd be one of the many servile minions that currently spew the kind of tripe you just did. Maybe you could get a position with the Bush administration, possibly Dana Perrino's back up?

When questioned about possible human rights violations Minister for Dealing with Untutored Barbarians Yang Jiechi replied with the now standard answer "Go chew on a Barbie. "

In other news...millions dead in Iraq since the invasion and occupation by the United States.

Hundreds rendered and tortured by the U.S. Government...

China now saying its ok to water torture 'cause the U.S. does it....

Ok, caryy on...I mean really, those darn Chinese...when will they learn to respect human rights..the way the Bush Administration does...oh wait....they already have that level of respect....

Bushed! @ 23:

Andy K Jong Il @ 13:

Trying not to make a moral judgement here...

There are about, what, 8 billion people in the world, and 1/2 of them are liiving in mainland China? They need land to live on. They need land to grow food. Of course their neighbors are the first that will be taken over.

And remember that as the planet's population continues to grow at exponential rates, this is going to be happening more and more often, all over the planet. Doesn't really matter what types of governments represent the quickly growing nations either. A democracy could do this as easily as an autocracy, because it's not about political philosophy. It's about mouths to feed.

Hmm, I thought it was about 6 billion on the planet and about 1 billion in China, and another billion in India, and a bunch in Indonesia, some in Russia, a few here in the US and in Canada... Doesn't matter where or how many. The real issue is one of political control, not of feeding people. Falun Gong, the internet, and the guy at Tianamen Square do/did not get in the way of wheat fields or whatever.

I stand corrected. PRC has roughly 1.3Bil, India is roughly 1.1Bil, with the world total at roughly 6.7Bil. But, really, if I showed you a picture with 1Bil people in it, would you challenge me if I told you it was 4Bil?

We're still approaching a food crisis here, and the Chinese are probably as aware of that as anyone.

PoliShifter @ 41:

In other news...millions dead in Iraq since the invasion and occupation by the United States.

Hundreds rendered and tortured by the U.S. Government...

China now saying its ok to water torture 'cause the U.S. does it....

Ok, caryy on...I mean really, those darn Chinese...when will they learn to respect human rights..the way the Bush Administration does...oh wait....they already have that level of respect....

Isn't just Bush. How many innocent Vietnamese? Korean? Haitian? South Americans? It's a long list. Pretty hard for a nation who's foreign policy has always been "kill 'em for natural resources" to say anything about any nation's human rights abuses.

This echos the beginning of the Holocaust ... when will the world stand up and help the Tibetans. When will we ever learn?

In sorrow,
Heather

Yes, please cite the source. This figure of 200 protesters dead is so far unsubstantiated. However skeptical we might be, the Chinese government's claims that shops were looted/burned and people of han and hui ethnic groups were killed by protesters should be reported as well.

cd @ 2:

Gosh who would have ever thought that atheists would hate monks?

They're not atheists.

delaney @ 42:

Hey Maybe you are not getting all the news all started when some yockels threw fire bombs into shops and simultaneously, then destroyed the shop keepers property. The police were called to stop the up rest.
The so called peace loving Dalai Lama is behind this he wants to get back there so he can keep his followers poor and uninformed I believe eye gouging was one of their specialties.
Chinese are peaceful people and by the way they have a one child policy also TIBET is part of China (check the history)

Yes Dalai Lama is the evil terrorist while communist China is the happy land with trees and flowers and birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes...

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Saturday urged the Chinese government to exercise restraint in dealing with the demonstrations and told both sides to avoid violence.

I'm sorry. Are Tibetan Monks violent people?

Boy, you have to give credit to kindasleezy. She can really show her leverage with her tough declarations to China. I might as well pee on the wall, for all the good she does. What a worthless Sex of State.

Well Bush, one tyrant down.....77 more to go. OOooh! and they've got WMDs!

I agree, the USA needs to boycott the Olympics.

Erroll @ 62:

Gretchen @ 46:

I can't help but think of Iraq's invasion of Kuwait here. So we're talking to our allies, putting together a coalition, and getting ready to go into Tibet and free them now, right?
Oh, wait a minute. Tibet doesn't have any oil? HOW much money did we borrow from China? And Wal-Mart would be dead in the water?
Never mind.

Gretchen

Very good point. Have any of the Democratic candidates, the ones who [allegedly] speak and care about human rights, condemned China's actions and advised that the U.S. boycott the Olympics? Clinton and Obama's silence on this matter speaks volumes on their concern for how Tibet is being treated. Moore proof that the [alleged] agents of change and hope are in reality the agents of the status quo. After all, protesting China's behavior would not be the politically correct thing to do for these less than courageous political candidates.

I'm betting they won't do any talking, at least not forcefully or directly. Neither will McCain, or Congress or any of BushCo. Money talks and China owns us lock, stock and barrel.

Condi urged "restraint" what the hell does that mean ??? lordy....softer Bullets? smaller tanks ? throw the monks to the ground less often ? Ms Stilletto walking softly through the political minefield she helped create- so I have to ask Buddhists are they viewed by this Regime with the Same disdain they view Muslims...the Silence is Deafening...as a Buddhist this breaks my heart daily....OUR Govt could take a stand...they have a chance to help a Culture and a People that are being snuffed out ( much like the horrors of Burma)....the Killing of the Monks alone should bring outrage....yet it barely makes the news...

Condoleeza Rice is advising Tibet and China in this matter? Who asked her anything?

enigma4ever @ 65:

Condi urged "restraint" what the hell does that mean ??? lordy....softer Bullets? smaller tanks ? throw the monks to the ground less often ? Ms Stilletto walking softly through the political minefield she helped create- so I have to ask Buddhists are they viewed by this Regime with the Same disdain they view Muslims...the Silence is Deafening...as a Buddhist this breaks my heart daily....OUR Govt could take a stand...they have a chance to help a Culture and a People that are being snuffed out ( much like the horrors of Burma)....the Killing of the Monks alone should bring outrage....yet it barely makes the news...

One is reminded of the Vietnam conflict, when the U.S. government stood idly by as the corrupt South Vietnamese government ordered its troops to attack the Buddhist monks in the streets of Saigon. As I alluded to in comment #62, the caliber of a politician is measured by how he or she acts during a crisis and right now no one, least of all the Democrats, is coming out smelling like a rose. But then, considering that the Democrats have hardly been the champions of the Iraqi people, it should, sadly, come as no surprise that they are not speaking out in favor of the rights of the Tibetans.

Who gave China Most-favored-Nation status?

Sue @ 70:

The world needs to boycott the Olympics....truly

Bingo! Full page ads in major newpapers the world over, unrelenting worldwide vide
exposure to boycott china olympics 8-8-08.
Although this video is not about the Tibetan Revolt, this is just a taste of how your average Joe makes it through the day in china:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgGCQ0nVcyU&NR=1

This could be the beginning of the end of Chinese invasion of Tibet...49 years is too long.
Let's do what trillions of prayers and mantras and the dalai lama could not.

Uninsane @ 66:

As liberals we should pride ourselves on thinking outside the media-fed box. I have yet to meet a sane, well-informed Chinese expat who thinks the truth is being reported faithfully here. Three items; 1) Tibet, I'm told, has been a historic province of China, 2) Tibetan "separatists" are a relatively small group who get a lot of attention, and 3) the Dalai Lama is a CIA-paid exile with an agenda despite his carefree outward appearance. No doubt China has not been a shining star of human rights but we can hardly criticize them at the moment. We also might be carrying a bit of the cold war anti "commie" angst with regard to China. I might be getting a line of BS here but I'd at least like to check some facts before I parrot the party line.

Uninsane, your attempt at a balanced perspective and appeal for more facts is a nice change from the knee-jerk "boycott China" reactions so far. There's a long and complicated history between China and Tibet. It doesn't begin with the communist invasion in 1951. The oppressions, land redistribution, and repression of religion during the cultural revolution and at other times occurred throughout China, not just Tibet. In that sense, China wasn't simply invading a neighboring country and suppressing the locals to steal resources. As some have pointed out, Tibet has no oil, no wealth of minerals or precious metals, etc. They might be hoping to exploit the area as a tourist attraction, but that certainly wasn't on the agenda in the 1950's.

There's a certain attractiveness to the west of a romantic notion that Tibet is an idyllic nirvana that should be preserved in a bubble for all of eternity. But I think it's undergoing modernization (as is all of China) in a breakneck pace (accelerated by Beijing to be sure) and there seem to be some internal struggle as to how (or if) this modernization should occur. The Dali Lama himself points this out in his comments. It is seldom mentioned that Tibet used to be a feudal society with strict classes with the majority as serfs who labored to support the ruling monastic royalty.

The tragedy is that the Chinese government does not know how (or wish) to engage in a dialog about this process. They decide what's best and try to enforce their decisions through the local government. Again, this is true across the country. Adding to the complication is the fact that the local communist apparatus has a degree of autonomy that would belie the country's reputation as a totalitarian state. In fact, local governments have a large amount of control over the enforcement of central party directives and often times, they disregard central party wishes and engage in rampant corruption.

This, in a nutshell, is the Chinese Communist government's chief weakness: the inability to negotiate internal dissents. There is much that the Chinese government can learn from this situation. They've got to realize they can't solve all problems by blacking out information, cracking down with arrests, and then pretend that nothing ever happened (i.e. Tiananmen Square). That way, the discontent will continue to fester until another tragedy occurs.

See also from Wikipedia:

This 1951 agreement was initially put into effect in Central Tibet (Ch: Xizang). However, Eastern Kham and Amdo were considered by the Chinese to be outside the administration of the government of Tibet in Lhasa, and were thus treated like any other Chinese province with land redistribution implemented in full. Most lands were taken away from noblemen and monasteries and re-distributed to serfs. As a result, a rebellion led by noblemen and monasteries broke out in Amdo and eastern Kham in June 1956. The insurrection, supported by the American CIA, eventually spread to Lhasa. It was crushed by 1959. During this campaign, tens of thousands of Tibetans were killed. The 14th Dalai Lama and other government principals fled to exile in India, but isolated resistance continued in Tibet until 1969 when the CIA abruptly withdrew its support. After the Lhasa rebellion in 1959, the Chinese government lowered the level of autonomy of Central Tibet, and implemented full-scale land redistribution in all areas of Tibet.

The United States told China on Friday to act with restraint when dealing with protesters in Tibet and again asked Beijing to talk to Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama.

That's really telling them. Where is all the rhetoric from the WH about freedom. Oh yeah, communist China has us by the balls because of debt.

Joe! @ 76:

The same regime that murdered countless of people just for asking to have a voice in their government is still in power today.

Boycott the olympics this summer.

Boycott walmart.

Boycott every goddamn slave manufactored reeping business who does deeds with this fascist slum they call a "peoples republic." Just do something!

All of China's excuses have that self-serving "so there" childishness. We CAN boycott their stuff and slam their balls to the Great Wall of China.

(weaken their gov't, strengthen their people one "hopes" although who doesn't fear for them)

crazytown @ 79:

Joe! @ 76:
All of China's excuses have that self-serving "so there" childishness. We CAN boycott their stuff and slam their balls to the Great Wall of China.

(weaken their gov't, strengthen their people one "hopes" although who doesn't fear for them)

Hmm... You're talking about subverting a foreign government and overthrowing its leaders. This scenario sounds like the perfect setup for "Iraq Invasion the Sequel: China's Turn." I can see the tagline: shock and awe Beijing style. Not sure any sane American wants to go there right now.

JD @ 81:

crazytown @ 79:

Joe! @ 76:
All of China's excuses have that self-serving "so there" childishness. We CAN boycott their stuff and slam their balls to the Great Wall of China.

(weaken their gov't, strengthen their people one "hopes" although who doesn't fear for them)

Hmm... You're talking about subverting a foreign government and overthrowing its leaders. This scenario sounds like the perfect setup for "Iraq Invasion the Sequel: China's Turn." I can see the tagline: shock and awe Beijing style. Not sure any sane American wants to go there right now.

Oh, please. There's a huge difference in unseating a dictatorship (Idi Amin, Hitler) and swamping a country for their resources at the price of murdering hundreds of thousands of innocents, your trollishness.

crazytown @ 83:

JD @ 81:

crazytown @ 79:

Joe! @ 76:
All of China's excuses have that self-serving "so there" childishness. We CAN boycott their stuff and slam their balls to the Great Wall of China.

(weaken their gov't, strengthen their people one "hopes" although who doesn't fear for them)

Hmm... You're talking about subverting a foreign government and overthrowing its leaders. This scenario sounds like the perfect setup for "Iraq Invasion the Sequel: China's Turn." I can see the tagline: shock and awe Beijing style. Not sure any sane American wants to go there right now.

Oh, please. There's a huge difference in unseating a dictatorship (Idi Amin, Hitler) and swamping a country for their resources at the price of murdering hundreds of thousands of innocents, your trollishness.

Well, it's funny you bring up Hitler. Bush did the same thing with Iraq (Axis of Evil, etc.) Are we ready to lump China in there with Iran, North Korea, the former Saddam Hussein Regime? Seriously?

If so, then at what cost? Remember how Poppy Bush aided the southern Iraq insurgency against Saddam until the Persian Gulf War ended, at which point he promptly withdrew all support leading to the slaughter of thousands? Or how about JFK and Bay of Pigs? How will that help the disaffected Chinese (I'd hardly say most Chinese are so unhappy that they're ready to overthrow their government anyway) or the oppressed Tibetans?

JD @ 85:

crazytown @ 83:

JD @ 81:

crazytown @ 79:

Hmm... You're talking about subverting a foreign government and overthrowing its leaders. This scenario sounds like the perfect setup for "Iraq Invasion the Sequel: China's Turn." I can see the tagline: shock and awe Beijing style. Not sure any sane American wants to go there right now.

Oh, please. There's a huge difference in unseating a dictatorship (Idi Amin, Hitler) and swamping a country for their resources at the price of murdering hundreds of thousands of innocents, your trollishness.

Well, it's funny you bring up Hitler. Bush did the same thing with Iraq (Axis of Evil, etc.) Are we ready to lump China in there with Iran, North Korea, the former Saddam Hussein Regime? Seriously?

If so, then at what cost? Remember how Poppy Bush aided the southern Iraq insurgency against Saddam until the Persian Gulf War ended, at which point he promptly withdrew all support leading to the slaughter of thousands? Or how about JFK and Bay of Pigs? How will that help the disaffected Chinese (I'd hardly say most Chinese are so unhappy that they're ready to overthrow their government anyway) or the oppressed Tibetans?

No more to you. Something is definitely off with your comprehension. I'm being polite.

the truth @ 88:

Condi rice told them to stop? Are they fucking serious? Doesn't bush realize that nobody respects his little mistress? She's an international joke.

...and so is he:

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/President-Bush-President-Bush/ss/events/pl...

carefulwiththatAXEeugene @ 90:

Bjork started it. She sparked on a gasoline canvas.
or it's a strange coincidence.

im boycotting all things olympics.

Lost in my own hall of mirrors I must have missed that incident. Do you have any reference to that?

Fuck Chinese Rule
Fuck American Rule
Fuck Iraqi Rule
Fuck Venezuelan Rule
Fuck Eskimo Rule
Fuck Japanese Rule
Fuck Aztec Rule
ETC...

Time to represent

enigma4ever @ 68:

thank you for reporting the tibet crisis....the media barely mentioned it at all...

That's because they can't. NPR All Things Considered had a piece from their correspondent in China about the difficulties getting into Tibet. The bottom line was the government won't let the media in. If no one from the media is in Tibet, there isn't any reporting on what's happening.

JD @ 75:

Uninsane @ 66:

As liberals we should pride ourselves on thinking outside the media-fed box. I have yet to meet a sane, well-informed Chinese expat who thinks the truth is being reported faithfully here. Three items; 1) Tibet, I'm told, has been a historic province of China, 2) Tibetan "separatists" are a relatively small group who get a lot of attention, and 3) the Dalai Lama is a CIA-paid exile with an agenda despite his carefree outward appearance. No doubt China has not been a shining star of human rights but we can hardly criticize them at the moment. We also might be carrying a bit of the cold war anti "commie" angst with regard to China. I might be getting a line of BS here but I'd at least like to check some facts before I parrot the party line.

Uninsane, your attempt at a balanced perspective and appeal for more facts is a nice change from the knee-jerk "boycott China" reactions so far. There's a long and complicated history between China and Tibet. It doesn't begin with the communist invasion in 1951. The oppressions, land redistribution, and repression of religion during the cultural revolution and at other times occurred throughout China, not just Tibet. In that sense, China wasn't simply invading a neighboring country and suppressing the locals to steal resources. As some have pointed out, Tibet has no oil, no wealth of minerals or precious metals, etc. They might be hoping to exploit the area as a tourist attraction, but that certainly wasn't on the agenda in the 1950's.

There's a certain attractiveness to the west of a romantic notion that Tibet is an idyllic nirvana that should be preserved in a bubble for all of eternity. But I think it's undergoing modernization (as is all of China) in a breakneck pace (accelerated by Beijing to be sure) and there seem to be some internal struggle as to how (or if) this modernization should occur. The Dali Lama himself points this out in his comments. It is seldom mentioned that Tibet used to be a feudal society with strict classes with the majority as serfs who labored to support the ruling monastic royalty.

The tragedy is that the Chinese government does not know how (or wish) to engage in a dialog about this process. They decide what's best and try to enforce their decisions through the local government. Again, this is true across the country. Adding to the complication is the fact that the local communist apparatus has a degree of autonomy that would belie the country's reputation as a totalitarian state. In fact, local governments have a large amount of control over the enforcement of central party directives and often times, they disregard central party wishes and engage in rampant corruption.

This, in a nutshell, is the Chinese Communist government's chief weakness: the inability to negotiate internal dissents. There is much that the Chinese government can learn from this situation. They've got to realize they can't solve all problems by blacking out information, cracking down with arrests, and then pretend that nothing ever happened (i.e. Tiananmen Square). That way, the discontent will continue to fester until another tragedy occurs.

See also from Wikipedia:

This 1951 agreement was initially put into effect in Central Tibet (Ch: Xizang). However, Eastern Kham and Amdo were considered by the Chinese to be outside the administration of the government of Tibet in Lhasa, and were thus treated like any other Chinese province with land redistribution implemented in full. Most lands were taken away from noblemen and monasteries and re-distributed to serfs. As a result, a rebellion led by noblemen and monasteries broke out in Amdo and eastern Kham in June 1956. The insurrection, supported by the American CIA, eventually spread to Lhasa. It was crushed by 1959. During this campaign, tens of thousands of Tibetans were killed. The 14th Dalai Lama and other government principals fled to exile in India, but isolated resistance continued in Tibet until 1969 when the CIA abruptly withdrew its support. After the Lhasa rebellion in 1959, the Chinese government lowered the level of autonomy of Central Tibet, and implemented full-scale land redistribution in all areas of Tibet.

Your source of history,wikipedia, is just a shining beacon of truth and facts..

however, you fail to account for China's hegemonious behavior. They never controlled that territory. They hate the religion and the lifestyle of those people. There is nothing 'romantic' about helping people stand up for their own rights. We should help expose this hypocrisy. China even to this day claims a lot of kingdoms which historically have been independent (never under British, Chinese or Indian rule) like Bhutan and Indian states like Arunachal Pradesh.

Barrett D @ 92:

`Because of the extreme difficulties in getting news reports from Tibet, it was impossible to independently verify the death toll or the number of those injured.`

yet you still decided to give the headline of HUNDREDS dead anyway. real nice and honest of ya

I know. It's racist, pure and simple. Nasty anti-Chinese racism amogst so-called "progressives" lately...

btw, i'm on your side progressives, scrutiny is not a bad thing! we need the moral high ground to get the MSM to be responsible.

China OWNS the USA.

And what the hell is the US going to do about it?

NOTHING.

Of course no one will take action on this. What a standard that would set up -- every time the US "takes action" in S. America or the Middle East, China will come roaring in with bombers and guns?? Just to stop a hegemonic power? Not likely. Tibet "belongs" to China just at Latin America "belongs" to the US. All the smaller parts of the world need to be fully aligned with the bigger parts of the world. And at this point, perhaps the US is in transition from being a bigger part to being a smaller part.

Wow...that's some fucked up shit...what the hell's the world coming to?
I wonder if this will affect the Olympics in any way...I think if the world is upset about China's treatment of these monks...let them have the Olympics by themselves. I sure as hell wouldn't want to participate anyway...but after this shit...I wouldn't buy toilet paper from China...

Mike @ 55:

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Saturday urged the Chinese government to exercise restraint in dealing with the demonstrations and told both sides to avoid violence.

I'm sorry. Are Tibetan Monks violent people?

If the Chinese say so....Falun Gong were violent...the protesters at Tiannamen Squre were violent....wait...no, I'm sorry...they died violently when innocent tanks accidentally rolled over them...details... however, in China's defense, the word "violent" has been used.

crazytown @ 91:

carefulwiththatAXEeugene @ 90:

Bjork started it. She sparked on a gasoline canvas.
or it's a strange coincidence.

im boycotting all things olympics.

Lost in my own hall of mirrors I must have missed that incident. Do you have any reference to that?

Here she is over a week before the protests started.

Bently @ 16:

Andy K Jong Il @ 13:

Trying not to make a moral judgement here...

There are about, what, 8 billion people in the world, and 1/2 of them are liiving in mainland China? They need land to live on. They need land to grow food. Of course their neighbors are the first that will be taken over.

And remember that as the planet's population continues to grow at exponential rates, this is going to be happening more and more often, all over the planet. Doesn't really matter what types of governments represent the quickly growing nations either. A democracy could do this as easily as an autocracy, because it's not about political philosophy. It's about mouths to feed.

Growing food in the mountainous region of Tibet?
If not a moral judgment, how about a rational one?

This ain't about food...it's about control over dissenters and I think these monks wanted China to react like this, and were/are willing to sacrifice their lives for their cause. I have great respect for the monks and their religion.

miss_kitty Hussein @ 52:

E_I @ 51:

cd @ 2:

Gosh who would have ever thought that atheists would hate monks?

They're not atheists.

They're godless commies.

Which is sooooooo different.

I agree. We do need to boycott the Olympics for human rights violations against the Tibetan people.

From China, with love @ 118:

Did I miss something? Those monks are not peaceful protesters. This riot is a racial riot, the Tibetans are attacking the Han Chinese (biggest ethnic group in China) and the Hui Chinese ( the Muslim Chinese).

http://kadfly.blogspot.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8zrILo7CF0

Shops are torched, innocent people are attacked, killed, burnt. People, Communism is bad, but I would take Communism over the Tibetan Theocracy anyday. Read something about Tibet before the Communists took over, will ya?

Let me get this right from you liberal hipsters, Christian theocracy is bad, but Buddhism theocracy is good?

last time I checked...Tibetan monks dressed in robes and had shaved heads...so, you posit the theory that they [the monks] donned wigs and black clothes...to commit these acts of violence...?

Verdillac @ 119:

From China, with love @ 118:

Did I miss something? Those monks are not peaceful protesters. This riot is a racial riot, the Tibetans are attacking the Han Chinese (biggest ethnic group in China) and the Hui Chinese ( the Muslim Chinese).

http://kadfly.blogspot.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8zrILo7CF0

Shops are torched, innocent people are attacked, killed, burnt. People, Communism is bad, but I would take Communism over the Tibetan Theocracy anyday. Read something about Tibet before the Communists took over, will ya?

Let me get this right from you liberal hipsters, Christian theocracy is bad, but Buddhism theocracy is good?

You are right, the monks dress in red robes with shaved heads…you wanna see monks gone wild? Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9AGr0A_i18

It’s in Mandarin, apologies, but you can see a lot of monks peacefully protesting! No, you dont see that on CNN

Sorry for the double post, someone please delete the first one

last time I checked...Tibetan monks dressed in robes and had shaved heads...so, you posit the theory that they [the monks] donned wigs and black clothes...to commit these acts of violence...?

Andy K Jong Il @ 13:

Trying not to make a moral judgement here...

There are about, what, 8 billion people in the world, and 1/2 of them are liiving in mainland China? They need land to live on. They need land to grow food. Of course their neighbors are the first that will be taken over.

And remember that as the planet's population continues to grow at exponential rates, this is going to be happening more and more often, all over the planet. Doesn't really matter what types of governments represent the quickly growing nations either. A democracy could do this as easily as an autocracy, because it's not about political philosophy. It's about mouths to feed.

How sad. Did you learn this primitive morality from your parents or arrive at it on your own? Perhaps you live in a urban area--does the thug on the corner who might see you as an easy target have a right to your briefcase or the contents of your wallet because they feel they "need" it?

Over 40 years ago I worked for a department of the US government and had the unhappy task of combing through daily transcripts of domestic broadcasts by Radio Peking, looking for trends, clues, small changes in the direction of the wind, anything really to keep those higher than I in the food chain satisfied with my efforts.

What I learned during that time was that the PRC bureaucracy was living (and still is, judging by the tone of their rhetoric) in a topsy-turvey world where black is white, up is down, oppression is freedom and mistakes are never admitted.

Perhaps those are not even Chinese soldiers and riot police who are even now firing into crowds of unarmed monks; perhaps they are actually Tibetan provocateurs
wearing Chinese uniforms in an transparent attempt to embarrass China on the international stage before the Olympics!

Verdillac @ 124:

From China, with love @ 122:

Verdillac @ 119:

From China, with love @ 118:

last time I checked...Tibetan monks dressed in robes and had shaved heads...so, you posit the theory that they [the monks] donned wigs and black clothes...to commit these acts of violence...?

You are right, the monks dress in red robes with shaved heads…you wanna see monks gone wild? Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9AGr0A_i18

It’s in Mandarin, apologies, but you can see a lot of monks peacefully protesting! No, you dont see that on CNN

Now Sorry for the triple posting, someone please delete the first two posts, really sorry about that

ummm.where...? I saw no monks beating anyone, setting fires or anything else remotely resembling your pro-China information spread.....

Only beating people is violence? At 0:10 of that video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9AGr0A_i18 , you dont see monks trying to break into the stores?

Ok, that's not violence, you wanna see monks setting fire, here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/3aqauw

Now, I am not at Lhasa at this moment. That's all I can give you. If anyone still believe those monks are peace loving, non-violent people, the chances are you are probably paid by the Dalai Lama..

Yes, surely the Han peoples enjoy more freedom now than in 1965, which is not saying much, but what about the minorities, the Tibetans and the Uigyur, to cite two examples? Sorry, Dude, the rhetoric I hear coming out of the Central Committee now is still being mined from the same vein of bullshit that was in fashion 40 years ago. Lies and face-saving will never go out of fashion in the PRC.

From China, with love @ 125:

Verdillac @ 124:

From China, with love @ 122:

Verdillac @ 119:

You are right, the monks dress in red robes with shaved heads…you wanna see monks gone wild? Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9AGr0A_i18

It’s in Mandarin, apologies, but you can see a lot of monks peacefully protesting! No, you dont see that on CNN

Now Sorry for the triple posting, someone please delete the first two posts, really sorry about that

ummm.where...? I saw no monks beating anyone, setting fires or anything else remotely resembling your pro-China information spread.....

Only beating people is violence? At 0:10 of that video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9AGr0A_i18 , you dont see monks trying to break into the stores?

Ok, that's not violence, you wanna see monks setting fire, here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/3aqauw

Now, I am not at Lhasa at this moment. That's all I can give you. If anyone still believe those monks are peace loving, non-violent people, the chances are you are probably paid by the Dalai Lama..

where...? where are the monks burning down a building? I see no evidence of monks throwing incendiaries at any buildings....what is the context of monks kicking a door? was the building starting to burn? were there innocents stuck inside?

I do suspect that you a PRC shill trying to deflect attention from the barbaric methods China has ALWAYS emplyed in dealing with dissent....

Chris @ 127:

Yes, surely the Han peoples enjoy more freedom now than in 1965, which is not saying much, but what about the minorities, the Tibetans and the Uigyur, to cite two examples? Sorry, Dude, the rhetoric I hear coming out of the Central Committee now is still being mined from the same vein of bullshit that was in fashion 40 years ago. Lies and face-saving will never go out of fashion in the PRC.

Dude, I am not a pure blood Han Chinese. My mom is a Hui minority ( Chinese Muslim), her family valued education and she went to college, got a degree and became a doctor. And all her siblings are enjoying financial success as well just like any Han Chinese. China is no difference from the US, as a minority, you can either assimilate into the mainstream by getting a good education, contribute to the society or be an angry man and whining about the unfairness and the discrimination.. I don't wanna go there.. but isn't it that hard to understand?

From China, with love @ 132:

trez @ 130:

Chris @ 127:

Yes, surely the Han peoples enjoy more freedom now than in 1965, which is not saying much, but what about the minorities, the Tibetans and the Uigyur, to cite two examples? Sorry, Dude, the rhetoric I hear coming out of the Central Committee now is still being mined from the same vein of bullshit that was in fashion 40 years ago. Lies and face-saving will never go out of fashion in the PRC.

The Chinese "ethnic cleansing" of the Tibetans has been going on since 1959, meanwhile China is funding Sudan's oil revenues which fund the genocide in Darfur - an ethic cleansing twofer!

Ethnic cleansing? Religion oppression, yes, but ethnic cleansing? You have any evidence?

I was talking about Tibet, Darfur is another issue

Verdillac @ 129:

From China, with love @ 125:

Verdillac @ 124:

From China, with love @ 122:

ummm.where...? I saw no monks beating anyone, setting fires or anything else remotely resembling your pro-China information spread.....

Only beating people is violence? At 0:10 of that video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9AGr0A_i18 , you dont see monks trying to break into the stores?

Ok, that's not violence, you wanna see monks setting fire, here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/3aqauw

Now, I am not at Lhasa at this moment. That's all I can give you. If anyone still believe those monks are peace loving, non-violent people, the chances are you are probably paid by the Dalai Lama..

where...? where are the monks burning down a building? I see no evidence of monks throwing incendiaries at any buildings....what is the context of monks kicking a door? was the building starting to burn? were there innocents stuck inside?

You dont see monks breaking into private properties at 00:10??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9AGr0A_i18

So what's your definition of violence? Say if someone does that to your house because you are, oh well, not in the same ethnic group as them, what do you say to them?

And yes, Han Chinese are dragged out and beaten to death... http://kadfly.blogspot.com/

Check out this picture, you anti-China propaganda-ist

http://tinyurl.com/2q7hrx from that blog

Chris @ 136:

From China, with love @ 131:

Chris @ 127:

Yes, surely the Han peoples enjoy more freedom now than in 1965, which is not saying much, but what about the minorities, the Tibetans and the Uigyur, to cite two examples? Sorry, Dude, the rhetoric I hear coming out of the Central Committee now is still being mined from the same vein of bullshit that was in fashion 40 years ago. Lies and face-saving will never go out of fashion in the PRC.

Dude, I am not a pure blood Han Chinese. My mom is a Hui minority ( Chinese Muslim), her family valued education and she went to college, got a degree and became a doctor. And all her siblings are enjoying financial success as well just like any Han Chinese. China is no difference from the US, as a minority, you can either assimilate into the mainstream by getting a good education, contribute to the society or be an angry man and whining about the unfairness and the discrimination.. I don't wanna go there.. but isn't it that hard to understand?

Yes, of course you are right. If those backward Tibetans would just get with the program; abandon their 2500 year-old religion, give up their language (Tibetan is not taught in state schools), their heritage and accept the yoke of Chinese domination, they could gain entrance to public schools and perhaps even grow up to be stockbrokers or videogame designers. Until then, they are shut out of anything but the most marginal existence.

"since native Tibetans are now a minority in their own country. "

Dude, you need to get in the program, called wikipedia..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_Autonomous_Region#Demographics

yeah, I guess you will come back telling me the commies owns the wikipedia too, NEXT!

Chris @ 138:

From China, with love @ 131:

Chris @ 127:

Yes, surely the Han peoples enjoy more freedom now than in 1965, which is not saying much, but what about the minorities, the Tibetans and the Uigyur, to cite two examples? Sorry, Dude, the rhetoric I hear coming out of the Central Committee now is still being mined from the same vein of bullshit that was in fashion 40 years ago. Lies and face-saving will never go out of fashion in the PRC.

Dude, I am not a pure blood Han Chinese. My mom is a Hui minority ( Chinese Muslim), her family valued education and she went to college, got a degree and became a doctor. And all her siblings are enjoying financial success as well just like any Han Chinese. China is no difference from the US, as a minority, you can either assimilate into the mainstream by getting a good education, contribute to the society or be an angry man and whining about the unfairness and the discrimination.. I don't wanna go there.. but isn't it that hard to understand?

And trying to discuss human rights with someone who believes that "enjoying financial success" is the be-all and end-all of human existence is about as big a waste of time as trying to explain calculus to my dog.

Oh, and dude, Wikipedia isn't regarded as a legitimate source of information in any university or even high school in this country.

Never mind...

You need a more reliable source?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/guides/456900/456954/html/nn5page1...

Dude, where is your source? Do you have a source saying Han Chinese are majority in Tibet? I am OK with a less reliable source, say, someone's blog.. Get one!

I've never defended the over-all human right records in China. For the record, I am all for free speech/press/election. I hate the fact that wikipedia and youtube are blocked in China..

Go read my previous post: my point is, being a minority, you need to get in the program. I was rebutting your claim that "only Han people are better off, but minorities are not".

You know the current riot in Tibet is also a class/race struggle, right? Because those tibetans are left behind, it's somewhat like the LA riot in 1992

I don't blame you because you grew up in the cold war era when China is evil, but you really need to grow up and see the whole picture.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/18/wtibet71...

Please read the above article and come back tell me what you think

Verdillac @ 140:

From China, with love @ 135:

Verdillac @ 129:

From China, with love @ 125:

where...? where are the monks burning down a building? I see no evidence of monks throwing incendiaries at any buildings....what is the context of monks kicking a door? was the building starting to burn? were there innocents stuck inside?

You dont see monks breaking into private properties at 00:10??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9AGr0A_i18

So what's your definition of violence? Say if someone does that to your house because you are, oh well, not in the same ethnic group as them, what do you say to them?

And yes, Han Chinese are dragged out and beaten to death... http://kadfly.blogspot.com/

Check out this picture, you anti-China propaganda-ist

http://tinyurl.com/2q7hrx from that blog

I'm no longer going to any of the links you provide, since the past links were ambiguous in their content at best... I suppose if I really looked and followed your lead, I would eventually see 1000 robed monks killing everybody in sight...then again, try as I might, I never did hear "here's to my sweet satan" when I played Led Zeppelin's "Sairway..." backwards...and I tried to hear it, but I never could distinguish it...so, I would probably have to take a heavy dose of LSD to see what you see in these videos that you are suspiciously pushing with all the agressive tactics of some minister of propaganda...and as the great Bob Dylan has said "Propaganda All is Phony"...just like you....

Then don't go to any of the links. I did my part by providing pictures/videos, it's really up to the viewers to decide what they want to believe, isn't it?

I don't really care what you believe, you know? It's for the other readers of this blog.

And you don't have to reply at all, your last reply showed no substances and no will to listen to what the other side has to say. BTW, I will take weed over LSD anyday

Mr. XXXX @ 12:

The world is turned upside-down. The United States has been a fine enabler of the Chinese government's ravaging of human rights.

To the United States government coercive trade deals and cheaply made manufacturing goods at expediently rates for American consumers is more important than peace, justice, and human rights causes.

Yes, it is made in China, but bought in America with the taint of greed has turned America into a cesspool of debt and credit and loans that has plunged the dollar into the deep abyss. China is laughing at America and Karl Marx, still may yet, get the last laugh at the likes of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. After all, for greed's sake the communist state of China is faring much better economically now than the United States of America.

Good day!

The standard of living among the Chinese people is still quite low; their economy had nowhere to go but up. Their rapid economic growth however, is completely attributable to trade deals opened up during the Clinton years. Funny how you blindly blame President Bush. How typical of the uninformed left to instinctively blame President Bush for policies begun by his predecessor. To even mention President Reagan is laughable; he scorned contact with the Communist Chinese. What you call greed, most Americans call low priced consumer goods. Chinese goods today are far superior to the old label of "made in China", but still are not 100% safe for our modern society. Don't buy them. One can always refuse to purchase goods from countries that one finds disgusting. I will not gas from CITGO. I find Hugo Chavez to be a Communist pig.

Proud to be an American,

Raul Novo

China is not Communist but a totalitarian nation under the guise of Communism.
It is a system that people have corrupted to their own goals.

People should take care not to simplify things this way.

Anyway, the hypocrites around the world won't dare say a word.
They will be 'unhappy' and put 'pressure' on them but that is just words and nothing more.
Not like our beloved Government could not rush us into war countless time when they stood something to gain from it.

This again shows what our Government is made out of.