Judge gives White House a deadline on emails
This case seems to be a never-ending source of entertainment.
The White House has three days to explain why it shouldn’t be required to copy its computer hard drives to ensure no further e-mails are lost, a federal judge ordered Tuesday.
Already, e-mails between March and October 2003 appear to have been lost, Judge John M. Facciola noted, because they were improperly archived and no backup copies exist. That period includes the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
E-mails by White House staff are considered part of the nation’s historical record, and federal law requires they be preserved. The White House has admitted that potentially millions of e-mails from the past eight years have been erased, although it has provided conflicting accounts on how many may still exist on backup tapes.
The order, issued Tuesday morning by a federal magistrate judge in Washington, D.C., comes in a case brought against the Bush administration by the National Security Archive, a nonpartisan group affiliated with George Washington University.
The National Security Archive apparently proposed, initially, that the White House be forced to quarantine every computer workstation it had to protect the data before staffers could “accidentally” delete more correspondence. The judge wouldn’t go for that, calling it “draconian.”
Instead, Facciola wants the White House to make a “forensic copy” of all preservable data on every computer that could have been used by an employee between 2003 and 2005 — and gave the Bush gang until Friday to explain why that isn’t a good idea.
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Good luck with that.
Bush Response. "National Security"
Hey, I am sure that the NSA and FBI have these emails as part of their spyin... I mean the "gathering of our own personal communications for our own good."
Wouldn't if be a hoot if this white house would go down in flames under the same program they used to spy on us?
Those who live by the sword....
Well, see... most of the hard drives were accidentally burned in that fire in the VP's office... It was tragic, but really nothing could have been done.
Answer:
"It isn't a good idea because then we'll be busted"
I can't wait to see the Bush library at SMU. The place will either be frickin' empy because he won't release anything or every Democrat who visits will be required to have a 'guide' so they don't read anything.
The Dude @ 4:
Bush and Co will make sure this country goes down in flames before they do. Count on it.
"The White House has three days to explain"
That was more than three days ago.
That dog ain't gonna wake up. He's dead.
This story is just a whole lot of nothing. Let me save you the trouble of following it. Chimpy's White House will tell this judge to f*ck off....they can do what they want, when they want. It's all in the name of keepin' America safe.
Nothing will come of this.
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Cheney ever hand over those secret energy meeting documents the GAO sued for?
Nope
Like George W. gives a rat's rear about some minor magistrate -- as George likes to say, "I'll do what I want and if you don't like it, what are you going to do about it?"
L.A. Confidential @ 7:
There is no honor among thieves... they have managed to screw things up so royally that I would not be surprise if some other ratfuck gets to them before the Boosh peeps hoard all the rescue raft from the sinking ship that is this administration.
Alas, it seems that this judicial order was issued a while back. It must be great to be the king and not have to abide by the law like the common people....
(Btw, http://speaker.gov/blog/ has extensive reporting today on the cost of the Iraq invasion.)
Bah. Won't happen.
L.A. Confidential @ 11:
Didn't that go to the SCOTUS and get overturned?
What about the contempt citations for Miers and Bolton?
You think these professional weasels can't come up with WERDS to explain why they will NEVER cough up those emails?
Gosh judge, looks like a whole bunch more emails are about to disappear.
Is anybody with a brain still surprised?
much ado about nothing-will-come-of-it. Bushco does what they want, when they want and to whom they want. End of story.
I think it's time for Stephen Colbert to have another pep talk with the national press corpse!
OOppps. Another judge destined to have a tatoo on His wrist. Perhaps He and I will be cellmates. Ohhh.I'm sorry. That was 'defeatist'. My bad.
Old Billy Hussein @ 16:
The political contempt subpoenas have already passed. The civil cites will take at least two months to reach the top of the court's calendar.
If you think we aren't going to have to fight these cases step-by-step and take plenty of losses and setbacks, then it isn't your best issue.
"But if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear..."
Oops. I forgot. That applies to the people in relation to government snooping, not the government in relation to the public right to know.
Silly me.
Dana @ 18:
Do you even bother to distinguish between defeatism and useful views?
Restarting the Judiciary is going to produce a lot of smoke out the tailpipe, and it's not going to just roar to life. These steps are necessary and useful, unless in fact you just like the defeatism for personal reasons.
Golly moses, where did this guy come from? He certainly has no future plans for rising in the world if he plans to hold this adminstration to the law of the land. These crooks may have to come clean yet.
crunch time is the end of day tomorrow, going to be exciting, just think friday the full wrath of the US legal system descends ont he WH.
Paul in LA @ 23:
DO you ever distinquish between your tired slogans and your hardon for Nancy?
We can get 50 officers on any harmless protest...
We can't get a fucking one of them in the white house. Who's really betraying this country?
David Hawes @ 26:
Hahaha! Good eye!
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I would not be surprised at all if Judge John M. Facciola will be the target of a scandal come this summer or fall, if the judge doesn't bend the rules and overlook this in favor of Bush admin.
One of my source has confirmed that the 3rd secret spy agency (Cheney's goon) is already gathering evidence to persuade the Judge.
At this point, you'd have better luck retrieving all the 6th-grade homework assignments my dog ate.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 28:
I won't, I promise.
It's a bad idea because to make copies would clog up the intertubes! Duh! 9/11!!!
David Hawes @ 26:
Oh, wow, the two biggest defeatists on this blog, one of them a foreigner. That's some serious opposition (cough).
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for an encore the Judge will raise the Lost city of Atlantis, which will become Disney World MD
BREAKING NEWS.....WASHINGTON POST DATELINE YEAR 2050.
The Democrats in congress have filed another request to have the courts look into the missing emails from George W. Bush's 2001 to 2009 administration. The Democrats are really serious this time.
yeah ,We wouldn't want enny them feriners to have a few thoughts that might be helpful. Do something about that bad air,Paul-it's giving you a bad cough
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Ooops, sorry judge, but remember that little fire in cheneys secret office at that federal building last year? Yeah, well thats where we kept all that backup stuff cause Laura, she just HATES all that clutter down at "Casa Blanco"..... heh heh heh...... know what I mean? what else can we do fer ya?
White House to Congress: The dog ate my emails.
Helloworld @ 27:
they do seem overly attracted to the colour pink, draws the eager LE to a protest like flies to something juicy.
I think yer average LE had a deprived childhood, and therefore over compensates in adult life.
Glad to see the White House really believes in this provision of the Patriot Act.
Acknowleged site. My friskyness outwieghed my good sense. Sorry again.
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Maybe I’ve worked in IT too long. This to me is one of the greatest travesties to emerge from the White House and I am stunned the White House hasn’t been held accountable for there shill of an explanation for all the lost emails. There is an old adage in IT “You can tell me anything except that we don’t have a backup”.
I have to comply with government IT requirements at our company following the Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) for the DOD, we are ISO, HIPPA, certified and are in the middle of a SAS-70 type 2 IT audit.
When I hear 10 million e-mails were lost all I can say is BULL SHIT! Its standard practice to archive to disk, then to archive to tape, then tape is managed in an onsite/offsite grandfather rotation to a fire proof vaulted facility. Plus there is typically monthly full backup’s stored long term into the years. It is also standard practice to test backups with frequent restorations for disaster recovery purposes. Not to mention there is an increasing trend to replicate disk storage to remote locations as part of a disaster recovery plan.
Lost 10 million emails, uh huh, suuuuuuuuuure you did.
VegasRage @ 44:
BBB But that means they're.....Lying!
Does anyone think the
BushChimpy White House didn't learn from Richard Milhouse Nixon's White House regarding the Whatergate tapes?I have a new found respect for the late President Richard Milhouse Nixon after this.
"I'm afraid the explanation is classified."
L.A. Confidential @ 43:
It's been on the news here in Norway too.
It's probably as reliable as the fake video that came out a few years ago with "OBL" wearing a gold ring, which is against Islam.
Something big is right around the corner.
TRUST ME!!!!
VegasRage @ 44:
They're GONE. There is still a privilege argument protecting that fact, but the bigger part of that number is emails ILLEGALLY sent on RNC-supplied accounts. They --claim-- that the backup tapes are "in a box on the floor" (I kid you not). They are not. They are burned up, and the various backups are burned up too.
Where the hope is, is in the copies still held (as security) by email recipients. We turn a couple of these bastards to states' evidence, and chase them down via the lack of honor among thieves.
L.A. Confidential @ 43:
I fail to see how new describes two year old tapes.
ferrofluid @ 50:
It's a joke. 'Cause wouldn't it be just like Bushco to foment fear with two year old news by releasing a two year old OBL tape?
Paul in LA @ 23:
thiers that word defeatism !!!god i love me some defeatism toe jam!
ferrofluid @ 50:
Mark my words: Within the next few days, something big is going to happen. Iran?
CheneyIsADick @ 48:
ferrofluid @ 50:
My immediate thoughts also...Hey, who really believes OBL is still alive?
...........yawn.............zzzzzzzzzzzz
Stil waiting for the go-ahead, huh? It's been 20 minutes.
bush to National Security Archieve
are you nuts? i not giving you anything, i plead the 5th
One half hour, site monitor.
The credibility of the site is at stake here.
I've copied the comments.
I can't believe this.
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CheneyIsADick @ 48:
Yeah you are correct..."American Idol" will be narrowed down to 4 final contestants.
Am wondering if da judge will, like Rep. Coyners, send a strongly worded letter to
the W/H should it fail to comply with the Friday deadline...and give them another
30 to 60 days to comply...and then, when not complied with, send a second letter?
Why else do you think CHENEY made a little trip to the Mideast last week??? Not only to check on his war profits and properties in Dubai, but to start some shit that will ultimately bring more 9/11-style violence over here.
This guy reads like a book, and needs to be in JAIL.
CheneyIsADick @ 59:
curious ,why does the name of the #1 'most wanted' (and talked about by common Americans in daily life) trigger a moderation alert like hes Voldermore from those HP books,
who are C&L scared of! some government TLA or angry terrowists swarming across the border to slit our throats !
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HAHAHAHAH, I bet this is the hardest that the Bush Administration has been working in the past seven years! Can you picture them trying to get rid of as many e-mails as they can ( burning/deleting the midnight oil).
I find it extremely sad that the only way that America can get anything done is when Bush and Dick are in Iraq!
And p.s., there's always going to be a "Most Wanted" or a "Number 1" out to get us because our Emperors need a boogie man! What good would Osama be to them if he was caught!
quick somebody get a picture frame and put it on the wall
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Jay Severin Has a Small Pen1s @ 6: It will still be a National security issue in many years to come, look at the people that dislike us now, what if they read the truth. Southern Methodist University needs to rethink this train wreck. Keep the anti-Christ as close as you can
WHO CARES if the Whitehouse ADMITS that millions of email have been erased? THAT in and of itself DOES NOT PARDON THEM for breaking a FEDERAL LAW that required them to keep these records! THEY ARE GUILTY! IMPEACH!!!!
The Dude @ 4:
That's why their budgets are higher this year...
Hoover's ghost is smiling!
tic toc neocons, times up!!! produce the paperwork or face the music, and your own immediate indictments!
The judge is saying the wrong thing, what, he should be saying is, someone is going to jail for a long time.
Hey is this judge related to Henry Waxman? I'm sure Mr. Waxman will be having a hearing soon about what a bad boy King George has been, but we wouldn't want to actually impeach anyone now would we. Just talk, talk, talk, more deadlines followed by more deadlines, and finally look everybody King George's term in office is over. My oh my how time flies.
Sitemonitor/Steve: Certainly hope that you will have a follow-up on this after Friday's
deadline(as set by da Judge), for this issue is of great importance to many of us and
since the MSM is not giving it any coverage/attention whatsoever, I am hoping you
will do so here on this C&L site. Thanks...
More bullshitting from both sides in this latest charade... Bushco, the judge, the legislators... Why? Because the truth of it is these acts of obsfication by federal employees of the executive branch are yet another example of the impeachable offenses noone in any of the three branches of government wants to face up to. Why impeachable? because they are federal crimes on the books. IF they could figure out a way to throw the underlings under the bus and fry them for public consumption... If they thought that would make the problem go away they would...gladly....fry a dozen or so flunkies....
But the fact is, everyone knows the rules and laws on preserving electronic records at that level, hell at any level! You think the IT guy or the regional manager of a major financial institution who fucked up this bad would still have their jobs?? Noone deletes this kind of shit unless directed by someone above them... Now just who in the hell does anyone think would direct the flunky IT guy in the basement of the white house to delete, degause or otherwise lose track of electronic records of emails?? Emails covering an eight year period?? Hmmm, anyone got an idea on that? This is nothing short of a massive dereliction of duty by everyone involved....Executive, judicial, legislative branches of this nations government...Yes, impeachable acts that in sum total amounts to treason...........JD
The White House mainframe is an IBM. It's backed up. It behooves me to remind you that Dick Cheney in his position as VEEP has control over the NATIONAL ARCHIVES and he has been emptying THEM.
We have been still too long.
Shouldn't RICO statutes kick in due to the conspiratorial nature of the act? It is clearly in an effort to cover up criminal activity.
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