Morning Joe: Scar Says Obama Threw His Grandmother Under The Bus
By Logan Murphy Tuesday Mar 18, 2008 2:20pm
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Following Barack Obama's speech yesterday the media has been dissecting every syllable and nuance. Reactions have been mixed and the right is now trying to portray Obama as "the black candidate" who just wants to blame whitey. That's why it comes as no surprise that right wing tool, Joe Scarborough, can't stop talking about Obama and Reverend Wright and has now picked up the Free Republic line on the speech -- how dare he say ANYTHING bad about his grandmother!
"I really wonder why anybody, why any man would throw his grandmother under the bus during a political speech, regardless of the point he was trying to make."
Now that Tucker no longer has his own show, Joe has taken on the role of wingnut concern troll and on this morning's Morning Joe, he was in rare form. He kept saying over and over how Obama's speech was one of the greatest speeches on race ever, then can't shut up about how white folk in Ohio and Pennsylvania will never buy into it. It's true, some people weren't impressed with the speech, but Joe constantly yammers on about how Obama supporters are all latte-sipping yuppies from midtown Manhattan and Georgetown, which is patently false.
Will Bunch asks if we're ready for Obama's post-racial politics v.2.0. Given Scarborough's remarks, I'm not so sure. Pam Spaulding hopes so:
People who know me well are quite aware that I'm not one prone to great waves of emotion; I'm Ms. Even Keel to most. The emotion was because there I sat, reading elements of wisdom about our desperate need for engagement on the topic of race that I have written about on this blog for years. At times I have almost pleaded with readers to feel safe to open up to discuss the difficult issues of difference -- putting up posts with a dearth of comments because few were willing to put themselves out there.
Sometimes I feel like a tiny, insignificant voice attempting to bridge a Grand Canyon-sized divide. I can't imagine what it felt like for Barack Obama to write and deliver this speech, knowing the audience that would be receiving the message.
Because of that, in Obama's speech I was reading the words of a man that gets it, regardless of the fact that he is a candidate for President of the United States of America that resonate with me on this issue. That he is this close to becoming president of this country -- and to risk it all by cracking open this door on a painful area of this country -- is something I thought I would never see. He is giving voice to a healthier view on race relations that needs to be embraced from a stage where it's hard to argue that it is not an issue worth tackling.
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The Repugs refuse to let this non-story go.
Is it time for C&L to put this story on ignore?
Shit, I blame whitey! Where's the beef?
primero!!!
This is silly Obama loves he grandmother.
He was just trying to explain that he understands how some people feel.
Try to have an adult conversation with an angry child, and this is what you get: Joe Scarborough.
joe scarborough is a republican politician.
that is about all that matters.
Forget it this is all we're going to be hearing about in a few months or so OBAMA-REV WRIGHT!!!!!!
We're going to be carpet bombed with it expect it and be ready for it.
We should not be shocked that the Republicans want to keep this debate going. This Wright hoopla is truly about the Republicans trying to seize back control of the news cycle and messaging. The Republicans are geniuses at three things:
1. Applying tried and true consumer Marketing/Branding techniques to politics. E.g. Taking a talking point, reducing it to a bumper sticker slogan and then ensuring every mouthpiece / Republican pundit repeats it ad-nauseum until the public buys it as gospel truth (pardon the pun)
2. Taking an opposing candidate’s strength and finding a way to turn it against him or her in true Rovian fashion. E.g. Obama is young and dynamic / a breath of fresh air (Obama is inexperienced, I mean, what do we know about this guy – he’s a complete wild card), Obama is of mixed race and actually has a variety of cultural perspectives and experiences from which to draw upon to start bringing Americans together (Obama is a closet anti-white racist and/or Muslim who is secretly trying to get into office to enact the Black and/or Muslim Agenda), etc...
3.Distraction. For the LOVE of GOD, we had better get the public’s attention off
a) The 5th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, the nearly 4000 dead American soldiers, deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc..,
b)the fact that the presumptive Republican Nominee doesn’t know enough about the Middle East to keep Sunni and Shia straight. Hint to McCain: There is no Frickin’ way that Iran, a predominantly SHIA population would help Al Qaeda – a SUNNI / Wahhabist extremist group. Although some experts have speculated that some Shia militia groups may eventually (temporarily) unite with some Sunni tribal groups to fight their “common enemy” (the US) and get them out.
c)The fact that Bush Jr.’s abysmal foreign policy has actually followed the Al Qaeda playbook perfectly by getting the US mired in a long-term military quagmire, which, by the way, the Presumptive Republican Nominee seems to want to continue indefinitely.
d) The economy – Spiraling deficit, record trade deficit, inflationary pressure, loss of jobs, etc…
No. By all means, let’s continue the debate on Obama and his Pastor.
Who cares what Joe Schmo says?
el matador, the fighting chicken @ 2:
i NO! El Matador..segundo!
joe scarborough is a dick.
I guess Joe missed that part where Obama said he wouldn't disown his grandmother. Why does the "Liberal" media keep hiring right-wing propagandists?
Joe, she was old and a drain on society. Sacrificed for the common good. What's worse, somebody saying you threw your grandmother under the bus, or finding dead females in YOUR office?
Samson- @ 5:
Indeed...a republican politician who had a dead woman in his office.
I have stopped watching MSNBC because of Joe Scarborough. He is ignorant, childish, and dangerous. He actually thinks he knows something. He makes me sick the way he treats people. Mika doesn't even try to stand up to him and she ends up looking pathetic. She usually tries to say something then he goes after her and she just gives in.
The only times I have found it pleasant to watch him was when Keith Olbermann put him in his place during election coverage one evening and when I saw Rachel Maddow tell him off once. Why MSNBC puts up with him is beyond me. I am all for free speech, but I don't have to listen to it.
anyone who would actually THINK, much less say, that barack obama threw his gramma "under the bus" is way past any energy it would take to convince otherwise...
i'm sorry... and maybe another day i'll be more inclined to educate such an oaf, but not at this time...
It was a despicable moment from Obama.
You don't need to be a Republican to see it. Not only that, Obama lied. According to Obama's autobiography, there was ONE large aggressive panhandler his grandmother feared, who happened to be black. There was no pattern of racism.
HIS family had the slaveowner roots, btw, and HIS father was the lying polygamist.
By the way, why didn't Obama mention how he avoided the other black kid when he was in grade school?
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 13:
Yes, but she wasn't thrown under a bus, so, there's the difference I guess in the Republican world of non-reality.
Joe has yellow dirt on his soul.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 10:
Ole'
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 13:
well, to be fair to the squinty-eyed-dolt, she was alive when she entered his office...
look race politics in this country is no longer just black and white. add brown to that mix. race is a hot button issue in america. just look at los angeles, many have accused our mayor of only helping latinos, while letting blacks to hang out to dry. race is huge and just can't be ignored. also for whitey that is mad at all miniorities for jobs, education, blame your politicans not your miniorities.
Shorter Barack Obama: After shouting "AMEN!!" from the pew for 22 years, I am rejecting Rev. Wright's words--now that they've become a liability. In spite of my own campaign's attempts to portray the Clintons as a pair of Klansmen, I'm also calling for the Racial Eternal Victim Card to be placed out-of-bounds for the moment--but as consolation, I am hereby publicly depicting my own grandmother as Archie Bunker. It's all very Christ-like of me.
...I'm going to bring CHANGE!
Talk about grasping for straws. Throwing her under the bus?! WTF?
Obama did a magnificent job with his speech. And he didn't throw his grandmother under the bus. Joe Scarborough is a very mean spirited republican who openly supports Hillary (just like Rush Limbaugh tells them to do) and every day is another outrage with him! I have written MSNBC numerous complaints about him -- and yet they discharge Tucker Carlson.
Scarborough should have been the first out the door.
ByeByeBarry @ 17:
Why didn't Hillary mention that her "experience" while being first lady was......
Caviar and salmon? My how that prepares you to be fully qualified for Prez.
Its funny but I actually thought the same exact thing when hearing the speech --- I am a democrat living in Philadelphia --- so I dont think it is a crazy repub reaction necessarilly --- I just thought that there are a thousand ways to deliver that speech without mentioning his g-mom --- I think it was cetainly bad taste for Obama to use his gmom to make a political point ---
That being said I thought the speech was good on the whole ---
Scarborough comes across as someone who often misses the point and this one is no exception. Joe is not exactly the brightest light shining on TV.
This is the sad Republican talking point. Obama spoke with great respect about his grandmother, a seemingly decent woman who happened to have race issues....like all of US! I thought it was so honest and the natural way Obama conveyed his feelings of her good and bad, I have never heard from a politician before.
I am a white, gun owning, deer hunting, latte drinking gay guy from colorado who makes a lot of money. Obama crosses all demographics. Scar is a moron.
Obama has my vote!!!!
A renowned psychiatrist on a nationally syndicated radio station - about 2-3 years ago now - said that one in five Americans were psychopaths.
That accounts for the numbers I guess. Some of them even get their own media forums to parade it to the rest of the world.
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Tony @ 30:
Ya, but are you a transvestite? Cuz I hear Hillary has the transvestite support. A RuPaul supporter said so.
Scarborough's a moron!
Tony @ 30:
Ahhhhh!! but he DOES NOT have the vote of grandmothers who have been thrown under the bus.
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Maybe Olbermann will give Scarborough a Worse Person nomination tonight.
[Okay- ALL OF YOU- the topic can be triangulated using these words: Obama, grandmother, Scarborough. Get back on that topic, please. Site Monitor]
Obama's grandmother threw Scarborough under a bus?!? Awesome.
Doyle @ 357:
Doyle, post whatever you've got about Rezko on the open thread.
Doyle @ 340:
Oh you great white massah who had in his infinitely merciful heart to work with the African American community... something that must have "certainly" given you "insta-ghetto pass" and which made you all knowledgeable of what the minorities in this country know, want, or have experienced. You sure ask/say really stupid shit about minorities...
By the way, here is Greenwald's take on Obama's speech.
The Dude @ 361:
Dude, eight year-olds.
[your done.........Site Monitor]
Old Billy Hussein @ 363:
the Dude shall not abide.
Old Billy Hussein @ 363:
Nobody fucks with the Jesus!
Radically Moderate @ 364:
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
The Dude @ 367:
That was just a play on words from that movie about "the Dude" who said "the Dude abides"
Innocent fun........nothing to see here, move along, move along.........
Radically Moderate @ 369:
the Big Lebowski
Radically Moderate @ 370:
SHUT UP, DONNY!I mean, I think The Dude is aware, seeing that his reply (Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.) is also a quote from the film. :^D
Radically Moderate @ 369:
Dude this and Dude that, you must be another one of those viagra poppin Osama supporters!
/end_troll_channel
Andy "George W. Bush has never been elected. The ‘Machine’ took it and gave it to him." K Jong Il @ 371:
OOPS! missed that one. I like your style Dude.
Old Billy Hussein @ 353:
My point exactly...polls are clear as mud (just look at NH polls vs. results). I know why Clinton wins in the GE. My feeling is that the poeple crave change. But by change I mean a return to a time when things made sense in this country and by that I mean the 90's under Clinton. Balanced budgets, a thriving economy etc... What do you point to?
Radically Moderate @ 373:
Thanks man... I just wanted my rug back.
The Dude @ 375:
oh fuck me, nihilist!
Joe is shedding light that the reality is that there tons of people out there who will misunderstand the point of Obama's speech.
Joe is telling us that there are numbskulls out there who voted for Bush that will for McCain because of this... and the sad truth........... it is true.
These numbskulls who are so calles swing voters and numbskulls and they are the ones who are easily scared away like soccer moms.
Educating the un-educated numbskulls is like hitting a brick wall. That is what Joe is talking about.
Reagan-Democrats? they are numbskulls
Let's pray that we get a good VP in 08'. If the last 8 years is any indication, this person will be one calling the shots...
Morning Joe is an atrocious morning show anyway. It's like those frat boy radio shows that drive me to plug in my iPod on the way to work.
Jack @ 374:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080319/ap_on_sc/nice_guys
Just kidding. Like I said, Obama is pulling in a lot of new voters to the primaries. If he's the nominee, I think the democratic machine (who I think is putting together votes for Clinton - labor, aldersmen, etc.) will channel all that behind Obama too. Simply put, I see Clinton supporters going for any democrat; whereas, I think a lot of the Obama supporters who are new to politics will tune out and stay home if Obama's not in the race. Of course, Obama can do a lot about that by campaigning for Hillary if she were the nominee.
the scar took the place of imus. apparently MSMBC decided they need another hack to take over that hour. Joe is an ass and this Mika is just another lady who was selected for her stupidity and because she knows how to suck up to a neocon. while i no longer watch the program, i was amazed when i first watched the makeup of the program. who in the fuck is going to take this willy guy serious? what a waste of time.
Joe usually sounds like a nice guy and tries his best to hide who he really is. This is one of those situations where the republican demon within lurched!!!
robyn williams @ 277:
Want some cheese to go with your whine??
The Scar just can't comprehend big words and adult language. Pathetic.
Radically Moderate @ 1:
Assuming that it is only Repugs who think that Obama is a hypocrite is exactly why McCain will be the next President, with the help of millions of Democratic voters support, if Obama is the Democratic candidate.
Obama is a hypocrite & a fraud with no experience or accomplishments, pretending to have moral integrity, just like G W Bush did in 2000.
His good judgements includes friends like Renzo & Rev. Wright - Against the war but voted numurous times to fund & continue it.
Look, this country is just too diverse for 100% of the people to agree on anything. I guarantee that Jesus wouldn't get anymore than 60% of the popular vote if he came back and ran for President.
With that being said, Obama and his supporters have to face reality that he probably won't be able to make many inroads with blue collar white men just like Republicans can't make many inroads with Black people. Going into the general election, he's going to have to put other states into play to get around losing Pennsylvania and Ohio.
In his Obama way, he has to make the case that these blue collar white men that oppose him because of Wright will have two choices:
1. Voting for a very intelligent, capable and competent leader who happens to be Black.
2. Voting for a third term of the Bush administration.
If they want to vote against their best interests because of race, then that will say a lot about America to Americans and the rest of the world about how TRULY far this country has really come. It'd be wrong for Obama to compromise his values and beliefs in order to earn the vote of ignorants.
My understanding is that "throwing someone under the bus" means you denounce what that someone did or said as well as make it clear that you have removed that person from the capacity in which he or she functioned. Obama did not do that to his grandmother; he did just the opposite: he said she occasionally did and said things that hurt him but that he continued to love her and accept her as his grandmother. Morning Joe is simply lying. Flood his network & program with e-mails demanding a retraction.
Wow, Joe must have an IQ of almost 50.
He is giving voice to a healthier view on race relations that needs to be embraced from a stage where it’s hard to argue that it is not an issue worth tackling.
And that right there is why the America hating rethuglican scum attack him on this.
"Morning Joe: Scar Says Obama Threw His Grandmother Under The Bus"
I saw trolls on that thread yesterday say the same...The RNC 'Instant Meme'
Fucking Arseholes. Can't say fairer than that.
Terrible Hussein @ 388:
You think it's that high?
I know it was not intended, however it happened anyhow and I like to thank you all for the impact your evil ways has bestowed on this nation after all.
I like to be the first to say thank all of you for all that you did to make sure that Senator Barack Obama, will be the next President of the United States.
I know how thrilled you folks are at the prospect of having so much input in this process that has American people all over the world, even those who had some miss givings , but have now got the opportunity to see exactly what they all have been looking for in a President, who will be truly be ready on day one, as he is now to take the rains of control and lead this country as it has never been lead before.
Now don't all of you think it is about time that you start licking your wounds from the ass kicking Senator Obama has bestowed on all of you?. And again it was not intended, but just happen to find it's way into the barrage of hate filled commentary, you all attempted to bestow on him for no other reason, then your raciest, bigot, arrogant attitudes and your need to continue to carry out the hopes and dreams of the six ass holes that drop a few bucks in all of your pockets to do the damage all of you have been contributors and accessories, to.
Many of you bastards need to start packing your bags, like the little bow tie wearing weasels, better known as Tucker Carlson has had to do, along with the other freak big John from the Fox News gang.
We expect to see many high class exits, getting the hell out of jobs in media, to which none of you have any business in, in the first place and that includes Lou Dobbs, Wolf Blitzer, Chris Mathews, Bill O'Riley, Sharun Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and especially your water carriers, like Juan Williams and the many so called right wing black idiots, that seem to think as they sit in your nasty ass faces, while you humiliate and demoralize people of color, that you are not also referring to them.
Yes, fellas Senator Obama certainly did address the important issues we wanted addressed and to your dissatisfaction, the majority of us do believe in and trust him, to most of your discuss.
It is clear that you all intended for a very different outcome, that just did not surface for you. So you all know exactly what you can do with your U-Tube Video and on your way, to doing just that, you can drop off a few of them at the Hillary camp, for her and her gang of right wing losers, to do the same and then you can all just go to hell.
God just don't like ugly
This expression "Thrown his grandmother under the bus" is being used by wingnuts all over the net.
Now Joe S. is using it too.
Who started it? And why can't they think for themselves?
Morning Joe. You need to shift your commentary to something more productive for American people.
You should know that you and all the rest of your right wing junkies, are running out of cheap jibs to swing at Senator Obama, who has proven to be so much more, brighter then any of you would ever hope to be.
You need to admit that all of you fools are just way off base, when you start trying to chop on a man of his caliber.
Even Amey Holmes has simmered down, with her right wing antics, because even she is aware that republicans are just out of their league in this day and time.
You all had your opportunity to run this country and you did just that, by running it right into the ground.
And yes Hillary and all of you and the cheap tricks that control the electoral process, along with the freshly tampered with voting machines, will most likely squeak out a win, in Philadelphia. We have come to know you all so well. You did it to us in Ohio and Texas and we all understand the desperation that has set in, which is why we are not going to allow any of your cheap ticks in Florida or Michigan. We are not completely stupid to allow some private company that has poured money into Hillary's campaign war chest to purchase a new election in those states. Obama would be a fool and at this stage of the game. You have to know he is not.
They all knew exactly what they were doing, when Hillary took her lying ass down there and prostituted for votes, while she mislead the American people and the Democratic Party. We have her ass on video.
You need to stick with hammering all over that fool you all jumped behind and stashed in the White House, better known as George W Bush, who is so much closer to your class.
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Trittydi @ 34:
Or politicians with dead women in their offices
This is obviously a right wing talking point because I heard callers on C-SPAN this morning with the same mock outrage and using the same phrase - 'throwing his grandmother under the bus'.
Being liberal means that not everything has to be about "you." I'm a middle class white male and after reading a few paragraphs of Obama's speech I was very excited by what he said, and I instantly knew the power of what he spoke, before I read any media reactions to it. It re-affirmed that this is a man I want to lead our country.
I've never witnessed the flow of crap through a sewage pipe but it must surely resemble the stream of information pumped through the television sets of today.
Listen, we need to stop bickering about Barrack and Hillary. We're the good guys remember! Mr. Scarborough loves it when we talk trash about our own, because we're giving George W. McCain a free ride to the White House. Don't let them outsmart us again. We need to work our butts off getting either Obama or Clinton in the White House. I don't care which one it is, because either one will be a heck of a lot better than a republican that has to have Joe Lieberman tell him who is and isn't in Iran.
This is kind of true, why in the world would he bring her into this?? Is she still alive?
ByeByeBarry @ 17:
Buzz off, Hillary!
In response to #17
Are you insane? I'm sure you know so much more about Obama's life then he does right? Because you read his book!? Get back on the wagon.
Apparently Joe does NOT underestimate the intelligence of his audience.
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Don't expect the silly putty pundits like Scarborough and the half-baked donuts like Buchanan to get anything that Obama says because Obama speaks the "truth" and they can't handle the truth.
Happenstance @ 23:
Wow, you must be one of them "compassionate" conservatives.
Black people had to endure centuries of abuse, but those very Christian white people have to endure a 5sec clip of an uppity black person... and all of the sudden them WASPs get to frame what the racial discourse in this country should be by getting their panties in a collective twist.
chris @ 41:
Tekras @ 37:
Go away troll!
We won't win over the dumbasses. They are the 29%ers.
I guess Obama grandmother did throw little Barak under the bus.
Joe is the type of racist who believe they aren't. Clueless.
hell, I'm from Georgia, white born and breed.
Go Obama!!
Another point I want to make with these right wing bigots, all over the air wave, with this consistent rant of Senator Obama, owes them more of an explanation of why he did not throw his pastor under the bus.
I say to all of them as we have always had to take off their asses, is get the hell over it and move the hell on. Anderson, Dobbs, Wolf and all the rest that seem to think they are due some kind of justice, where words were used by someone other then the good Senator who has also said that he objects to them also. Take your ass to hell if you can't except what has been told far too many times already.
If any of them had anything on the ball, in the area of talent to even be on these shows, they would have moved on long ago. It is clear they all live and breath off of dishonesty, attempts to spew hatred and fear and justify their never ending need to hold power, they can clearly see being snatched away from the grips of their grimy paws, by the American people they have all deceived.
If they don't feel they have anything else to do, may we point them in the direction of the seventeen thousand documents, presented by the Hillary camp today. They aught to be real busy with them and the fact that will be so much more in their league.
First of all we need to make clear to all of them that Senator Obama does not owe them a dame thing, the way they all have sat up in our national media, before the entire world and lied, cheated and stolen from all of the American people and while the bastards were doing all this shit.
They disguised their ill will intentions on unsuspecting Americans, while they used black Americans as their scape goats, as they slung their vile, nasty, greedy gibes at us, as if we were the culprits in the snake pit of deceit, when in fact it is and always have been them.
And needless to say the all of the vile references made by the Senators pastor, was in fact made for the benefit of just their type and believe me. I have heard worse comments about them, that come from their own kind as well and if they don't know what I am refering, they can just tune into some of the liberal stations and here the call in's to those stations, of average well thinking Americans, whom have also been miss-used and abused by these same ass holes.
You can bring out all the race baiting, lying, cheating extortionist, you can find (that all of you), to continue to try and demonize the Senator and they will find they have very little company in the main stream of normal human beings.
This mess has now turned right back in their face, as it should.
Anderson, and his disgusting jibs about the Senators campaign hanging in the balance, while he has thousands of people that have waited for hours to see him, just lurking in his own back drop is just wishful thinking at best.
Anderson and the CNN and Fox gang need to admitt, that the dirty trick, they played to turn his supporters away is not working, but instead has turned even more against them, if that's possible.
They clearly look like the classical nerds that they are,
Obama should have had Anderson thrown off his plain, but he really is a true gentleman, that would not even think of that, but I sure would.
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We're not allowed to talk about grandparents; that might raise questions about how Grandpa Prescott made his fortune.
The scar just completely misses the point. Obama could be assisting little old ladies across the street and he would still get accused of trying to throw other people's grandmas under the bus. Joe is so incredibly obtuse its unbelievable.
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I honestly have no sympathy for MSNBC.
This video (and the show it was clipped from) is PROOF POSITIVE of why the station is in the damn shape it's in.
Perhaps if the network spent less time chasing Fox's coat-tails and focused more on the content.
FACT: Joe Scarborough is not, and never will be a rabble-rousing pundit on the level of a BillO or a Hannity. He's not even a third-rate Brit Hume knock-off.
He's a boring Southern guy with a boring Southern drawl who rattles on and and makes even less sense (but doesn't stir up half the emotions) of the above-mentioned.
Worse yet, he's trying too goddamned hard.
His desperation to attract the same headlines that his jerk-off counterparts over at Fox do is glaring; unfortunately nobody watches this show (read: People just waking up aren't going to tune in to a television program that's going to put them back to sleep), and the only real coverage he gets is from this site and Media Matters.
So give it up, Joe. Yes I know you want us to groan the same way we groan when Hannity's fat face shows up on the TV screen. But we're groaning at his fact-challenged spin and overly confrontational approach. With you, we're groaning all right, but reaching for the remote.
MSNBC needs to get its shit together. If they really do want to present a conservative point of view, get a REAL conservative. Not some ex-Congressman/wannabe-John Gibson who's not presenting any point of view beyond a few pseudo-controversial soundbites totally designed to keep his name in the headlines and nothing else.
Enough said.
StCyrlyMe2 @ 402:
Obama wrote the grandmother story 13 years ago. Case closed. I would assume his opponents would bother to read the book? Scarborough's producers?
i grew up in the deep south. my grandparents were total bigots, hated blacks (and any other "coloreds"). but i loved them so much and miss them both. it was their generation... this is OURS!!!!
we can move on and become a better humanity when we can get this stuff out in the open and discuss it and heal.
yes, heal! this man is here to help us heal our country's racial divide.
Amazing how a huge head like that can house such a tiny little mind.
Scarborough is unwatchable. He is SO full of himself, it's sickening.
They hound on him for weeks to throw his preacher "under the bus." But now that he talks about his grandmother in an honest way and they jump all over him? Give me a break.
It's amazing how some people can't take ownership for racism and oppression--it's such a double standard. Don't talk about the white person...
ezpz @ 412:
Much agreed!
forestkelley @ 413:
With those small minded people who wouldn't vote for him anyway, Obama can't win for losing.
Darned if he does, darned if he doesn't.
If he HAD thrown Wright under the bus (God, I hate that expression), they would say he's disloyal just for political gains.
If he didn't mention his grandmother as part of his overall fabric and experience, they would call him a black racist for not mentioning his white grandmother.
The Joe Scarborough's of the world got nothin! NOTHING!
So they spew and stutter and fabricate and hate.
That's THEIR problem.
I just hope they don't make it our problem by more mass media manipulation of the masses.
When I see a Joe or a Pat Buchanan or a Tucker, I change the channel or turn off the tv.
Totally unwatchable.
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Im not college educated and grew up in the Midwest. Scarborough doesn't know what he's taking about. Can he really believe that anyone with out a Associates, Bachelors, or Doctorate doesn't realize the plight that our nation is in and is completely swayed by political and media hype?
In my eyes this in just another reason not to rely on these television personalities to help make your mind up about whom you should vote for.
Joe is one of those that like to use divisivness like Abortion, race, God, Gay, Taxes, anti union, and the brown people to futrther the hate and spread marketing propaganda for his holy GOP and not America and Americans.
Everything Joe says and does is about his guys are right and the others are wrong.
Joe, Rus, Hannity Et Al are best living in those gated communities. But the Gates should be built to keep them in. Not us out !
It is over for Obama and I cannot be happier to see this charade come to an end. His followers are largely cultist. David Alexrod chose to sell a personality not a political platform. The speech was mediocre. When it came to blame it was all passive voice. Mistakes were made. Yeah, everyone who voted for you. Do us all a favor and resign the Senate. It's over Obamamaniacs. It's over 26 point difference in Pennsylvania in the PPP Poll. In the Rasmussen national favorable view poll, Obama hit 42% down 13 points in two weeks. It was a meteoric rise, get ready for the crash and burn. In the end, Obamania will be a passing fad like the hula hoop or a chia pet.
Polls from OH, KY, and MO. http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/19/145653/053
Love the sinner, but renouce the sin.
Seems the right wing have a HUGE problem with this basic Jesus Tenet.
Also the bit about understanding and compassion for others,- its way over their head.
I'd like to throw Scarborough under the bus.
The Joe Six-pack argument and "don't shoot me (Scarborough), I'm only the messager" is so transparently lame conservative tripe. I also hate it when Tweety does it on Hard(on) Ball.
Republicans have used variations of the Southern (racist) strategy to divide Americans ever since Reagan. They have nothing left but to tear down and cripple their opponents and in the past American voters let them. But conservatives are being forced in their dark corners and to crawl back in their intellectually voids. They must go and play race boy or religious fundie with themselves. The nation is growing up and leaving these greedy-ass Peter Pans behind.
Tucker is on with him now. I wanna die.
Joe is just a republican fool/tool.
You cannot believe anything a republican says!
For everyone who is writing Obama's political obituary, just know that Hilly Clinton will not in any way inherit the "thunder" that has gotten him the lead. We will not vote for her. Period! There will not be a Clinton on the ticket. She can not profit from this. That morning joe and that witch have already started with the eunuchism. Save it. Obama will be the nominee. He without sin cast the first stone! GBA is unforgivable. The very foundation of this Country has been dunked on. Freedom to worship. Plus the other freedoms, mainly, freedom of speech. FREE MINDS ROCK! FREE MINDS RULE! We will not be spoon fed by over paid media talking-heads. The white male voters are going to make them wet on themselves when they put Obama in the White House. The blacks aren't the only ones who have been screwed by the US government. We will tough this out. Obama is not a Clinton or Bush. That train wreak is over. Multiple personalities pantsuit will have to do the reality show with Dr. Drew. She WILL NOT gain the votes. NEVER! Obama is the only choice.
Mike @ 417:
Listen!! We need to stop watching cable news in droves.. They'll listen then. I have already stopped. I get my news from the Internet, blogs, so forth. I loved MSNBC because of Olbermann, but the other creeps they have on are just horrible. STOP WATCHING THEM!!! They are the ones that got GW Bush elected. Now they want to get McCain. They will if we let them. STOP WATCHING CABLE NEWS. Watch old movies, read a book, scour the Internet, but do not watch.
getalife @ 92:
What facts are you referring to (because there are none in your original comment, though there is a lot of your opinion being bandied about)?
Do you attend the same church that Obama attends? At the same time? If not, then how do you know he's lying? It's actually possible, but HOW DO YOU KNOW?
In other words, you're a liar. Why don't you just man up and admit you don't like him because he's (insert irrational hatred here), as opposed to claiming to know things that you have no way of knowing.
I personally would prefer Edwards to have won the Democratic nomination for President–the process isn't done yet but I think that it's safe to assume that Obama will win–so I am hardly enamored of Barack Obama though I will not allow people spewing infantile talking points to get away with them.
If you have some actually verifiable facts to share, ConcernedHusseinCanuck, let's hear 'em, if not, shut the frak up.
I could never throw my grandmother under the bus
She probably outweighed me by about 100 pounds.
I can't stand that man and his bitch. "oh Joe" and "stop that Joe". Yesterday, Mike Huckabee was on and said America should move on from the Wright issue. Joe said something about yes like we should get over (some black thing is could not remember what is was).
Look, I think Obama is too good for this political bullshit. America does not want a black man in the WHITE house. Its that simple. They will chew on the Wright bone forever. I fear for his life.
Karl Rove's Playbook
In 2004 it was terrorism
In 2008 it is racism
Divide and conquer.
Grandpa becomes President
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran.
God Damm America
G. S. @ 428:
You are absolutely right, but I don't think anyone will hurt him. People are going to get over this crap and realize that he is the best thing at this time in our history to turn this Country and the world around for the betterment of mankind all a like. The media has to stretch this unexpectedly long campaign. They have to entertain themselves. They are snakes . Mr. Obama was doing just fine until they styarted their venom in his perfect wins. He won Iowa without people even knowing him. Then 11 straight. He was letting his light shine long before and without Rev. Wright. I have little respect for joey Knowing how much he just "loves" being called that!) Joey is a phoney. That beaver side kick is just a seat warmer. She has nothing to offer. I bet the black people just loves how she tries to offer up herself as an authority on blackness. She has the verve to argue with the black guest when she ask a question, but doesn't agree with the answer. Go figure! Obama will be all right. There is a month for this to die down and the holier-than-thou stop beating their superior chests. If the media has messed this up beyond repair. They will get the wrath of it. Obama didn't deserve this witch hunt. He is a good man. This Wright thing was over the top, joey!
As a black man, Obama must have been hurt by his grandmothers comments at some level. He was told that men like him scare her, like he is a monster. Why am I not surprised that Joe thinks that Obama is attacking his grandmother, but doesn't see the other side of it also?
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jsw @430...........So Obama has perfect wins; Hillary has what, imperfect wins? The man made his Judgement the winning argument against Clinton's experience. record, and acomplishments. And it was working with many people..then comes Rezko and The Rev Wright...the two gifts that just keep on giving. If you are lucky and he infact survives the mess, he will be a better canidate to do battle with the swift boating republicans. But it better not be just barely with him refusing Florida and Mich. to have suffrage in this democratic primary. And not because it is so unfair to Sen Clinton, but because he will easy pickings for those dreadful republicans. I now think only the Clinton team is playing chess, Axelrod for Obama seems to be playing checkers.
katy @ 16:
I'm right there with you, katy. I don't have time for him, Robertson, Cheney, Rove, Limbaugh, or Malkin. They may not be lost causes, but they're not my causes.
Happenstance @ 23:
Don't have time for this newcomer either.
Tony @ 30:
Great. Tell your latte hunting friends too.
I'm going to be proud of my vote for Obama.
It was a great speech, but most of the Red State Bobbleheads are going to listen to their masters on this one and keep portraying Obama as a racist. I think the issue is best dropped except among intellectual company... which isn't national TV. You challenge the Bobbleheads to grow or change, they just get angrier, because that would be betraying their masters.
Trittydi @ 34:
Ahhhhhhhhhhh...and those would be the bigotted grandmothers who wouldn't vote for a black man anyway, right? Can't lose a vote you never had to begin with, can ya?
underdog @ 39:
No - the television's worse.
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For them to have this idiot stooge pour it on so thick, GE must be frightened out of it's collective pants by that section of Obama's sppech that hinted at an end of tolerance for corporate Amerika's social malfeasance and social paracitism.
Radically Moderate @ 47:
That was for #41
Anyone else watching the full broadcast this morning notice how quickly they cut away from Pat Buchanan when he started talking about the percentage of black on white violence? They didn't even say goodbye to the guy, they just interrupted him and got him out of there.
does anyone realize that the republicans are beginning are to shape the debate on Iraq, race, and other things.... where are the dems to fight back...
Billy Ogawa @ 54:
Like they should have done to Buchanan a long time ago.
We're too busy trying to pick a nominee.
chris @ 41:
Joe says she's under a bus somewhere. Maybe he's jealous because the dead woman in his office wasn't his grandmother?
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I bet a muslim was driving that bus!
el matador, the fighting chicken @ 22:
And Obama addressed all that in his speech. You should read it. It was the most truthful speech I have heard a politician make.
ByeByeBarry @ 17:
Troll. We've been down this road time and time again in the last few days. Point out only negatives(and outright lies) hoping just a little of that bullshit will stick. "ONE aggressive panhandler, no pattern of racism." Living in Chicago, I see panhandlers and scary guys(of all races) all the time. You trolls will say anything. Your weak BS won't work this year.
el matador, the fighting chicken @ 55:
Apparently at the scene of a bus accident.
Geraldo @ 59:
It was the TUCC church bus - driven by an angry, black nationalist, muslim who only got the job because of affirmative action.
Phi @ 27:
ByeByeBarry @ 17:
Wow. Y'all are some dumb motherfuckers!
deezus @ 64:
On the other hand, you exhibit extraordinary intellectual capacity with such insight and such a witty retort.
Let's talk about that corpse of a female intern found with head trauma in your office Joe. Did you throw her under a bus?
chris @ 41:
WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE GRANDMOTHERS!!!
I have been studying this speech, watched twice, read three times.
It is nuanced and profound.
It is brilliantly honest from someone accused as being only a politician by those incapable of more.
Barack Obama is a Statesman of the first order. He has intellectual dwarfs nipping at his heels.
I've seen a few people run with this line. The whole point of Obama's example is you can love someone even if the person's wrong. It's a very similar dynamic to how older generations now are much more homophobic than the younger ones. The reality is that there are prejudices, we need to deal with them, but some approaches will be more fruitful than others. In most conservative circles, and certainly in the rhetoric of Rush Limbaugh, Jonah Goldberg and Brit Hume, an "end to racism" means "conservatives won't be called on their racism anymore." Somehow, I trust Obama much more on these issues. ;-)
CD @ 4:
EVERYone knows this, Repubs are just trying to spin this anyway to make their side look good. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to spin this mess to say he is anti-family values...That's always a winner with the conservatives.
Late,
QSE#@
el matador, the fighting chicken @ 55:
Because the deck is stacked against us by the people in power.
Up to yesterday, the talking point was "why does Obama hate America?"
Then Obama gives one of the best speeches by an American politician in a long time, and the media in collusion with the GOP spin master pieces of shit have managed to up the ante in less than 24hrs to:
"Why does Obama hate America AND his grandmother?"
Meanwhile, never mind that the dollar is in the toilet. Wall Street is getting bailed out with our money, even when the amount of people on the streets and w/o health care is at an all time hight, and McCain doesn't know the difference between Al-Qauida, Iran, and his own ass.
Old Billy Hussein @ 65:
Just couldn't think of anything else that appropriately addressed the comments of those quoted.
Personal responsibility and rigorous honesty is not something the reichwingnuts are accustomed to. Who watches this moron anyway?
Alice Hussein @ 68:
Wow. If only he could get some kind of raised vehicle to stay away from the rabid dwarves - maybe some kind of mass-transitty kind of raised vehicle - nothing specific is coming to mind.
ByeByeBarry @ 17:
Take that hood off, that is not only hiding your face and blocking your view, but also is affecting your judgement. It is people like you who are responsible for enflaming racism in this country.
deezus @ 72:
Oh, I was serious. I think you hit the nail on the head.
"I threw my whole country under a big 'ole bus ... hehehe"
---Yore Prezididn't,
George
Obama framed the controversy of his radical spiritual adviser into a race issue.
He chose to praise his radical spiritual adviser, lied about not hearing his radical rhetoric and played the race.
Clinton does not have a radical spiritual adviser like Obama or McKook.
Obama should drop out because he can't win the big States or the general.
Joe's grandmother still owns slaves.
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