Bill Maher on McCain: "Not Tougher. Dumber."
Bill Maher appeared on "Hardball" Wednesday to talk about the 2008 presidential race and delivered a gem about John McCain and his "mental problem" regarding Iraq. He also gave a stellar response to the Wright controversy and whether or not Obama was able to win over the blue-collar crowd.
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"We are one terrorist attack away from John McCain...rising in the polls by ten points, because people think, 'oh, yeah, he is tougher.' He is not tougher about the war -- he's dumber about the war. He's dumb about the war because he thinks by keeping troops in the heart of the Muslim world that's going to help the war on terror. That's exactly what started the war on terror. That's why bin Laden was so angry at the us because we had troops in Saudi Arabia. We pulled them out after 9/11, by the way. Of course, we go right back in and plant them in the heart of the Muslim world and build Pizza Huts. That is why young Muslim men want to come here and blow themselves up and kill us. It is not about what happens in Iraq; we need to get out of Iraq -- not build bases there."
That sounds like a great bumper sticker: 
I also added the part with Matthews hysterically laughing at Bill O'Reilly's racist remarks after his trip to Sylvia's in Harlem.. Hope you enjoy that as much as I did.
Oye! Primero!
Who Says We Can’t ‘Af-Ford’ John McCain as President
Way to go Bill!
McCain is a surrender monkey.
He surrendered to the Viet Cong.
He'd surrender America to the Islamic Fascists.
Don't vote for McCain.
Once a quitter, always a quitter.
This was good stuff. But only 1 segment :(
McCain is one more verbal screw-up away from looking senile.
I don't always agree with Bill but in this case he is right on.
I like the bumper sticker but i think it needs a slight change:
McCain 'oshit
Not tougher, Dumber.
Doesn't it seem strange to everyone that the media always uses comedians to point out Democratic talking points? What, there are no Democrats out there to bring on these shows? Sometimes Maher actually says something intelligent, but really that isn't his job. Through this entire Dem candidate race, you have Republicans, and comedians battling it out. Tina Fey, Bill Maher, etc. Where are the real Dems that should be on these shows saying EXACTLY what Bill Maher just said?
Jay Severin Has a Small Pen1s @ 4:
I'm no McCain fan by any means...but your comment about his surrendering to the VC IMHO is out of line...he was tortured for fucks sake...
pissed off patricia @ 6:
AMericans love incompetencey in their Presidents.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 8:
Due to recent illegal wiretaping by our government they have been asked to avoid media exposure.
I never would have thought Bill maher as a military strategist of sorts but when he speaks like this his words sound like they come right out of Sun Tzu's book, "The Art of War". McCain has no such abilities. He is reckless as he is foolish just like the rest of his Republican collegues. Anyone can yell "Charge!". That part is easy. Its much more difficult to hold fast and not charge in especially if you know a trap is waiting to be sprung on you. George Bush fell into that trap and McCain will take us into another.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 8:
The right-wing media is not gonna bring on democrats who talk like Maher. You get a choice of republican talking points or Paris Hilton.
Joe O. @ 12:
I like Bill Maher, but it does not take a military genius to figure this one out.
Why is it republicans never say anything intelligent or insitefull? Why don't republicans understand that if you keep hitting someone after a while they will fight back.
We need to get out of the middle east and stop this war of lies the bush ass has started.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 14:
That certainly is true. It doesn't take a military genius. Just some common sense. That is always seems to be lacking in the Republican Party.
Apparently, some Dems are saying that if HRC gets the nomination they will vote for McCain (or not vote at all). I find this insane and hope it's not a sizable group.
From todays news: "Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has moved into a significant lead over Barack Obama for the first time in weeks in the race for the party nomination, according to a Gallup poll."
Que sound of heads exploding.
I don't think McCain has a chance to win, but boy all the male pundits have stopped pounding Hillary and are jumping on McCain aren't they....they better be sure obama don't get the nod...he beats obama in a match up all the time.
Marge @ 18:
He beats Hillary by the same margin right now, so it doesn't matter if he's a male. What is this obsession you have with males? Did some man punish you that much in your life?
Marge @ 18:
It that from news the latest Clinton pollster? or just a report from another report?
Anyone who thinks McCain has enough braincells left to pursue to be POTUS are lacking in gray matter of their own. If you think the Chimp is dumb. wait till you see McCains handlers leading him around on a leash with a pacifier in his mouth. Lieberman is a complete suckass but he's faster on his feet than that clone of Dan of "potatoe" fame Lindsey Graham. Talk about the Three Stooges. They could take this show on the road. Oooops. They already have.
The shocking part of Senator McCain's unyielding support for this war is that it does not seem to matter to him that we can accomplish nothing in furtherance of American national security assuming that things go well in the war. Assume a "best case scenario" for a minute (I know there is no factual basis supporting such an assumption but bear with me for a moment), will unconditional victory guarantee the demise of Al Queda? Will it assure us a steady stream of oil? Will it all end up with a democratic Iraq? Will it result in the capture of Bin Laden? Will it repair or improve America's image in that region? The answer is clearly no on alll points.
My question to Sen. McCain is how can you be so cavalier with the lives of American Service men and women? What are they dying for and what can you promise these people when they return in terms of long range assistance and support.
The war was wrong on day one, it did not improve our chance of capturing Bin Laden and it did not serve to stabilize the area. Lord knows that the Bush/Cheney conjoined presidency purposefully misrepresented the evidence and the real shock is not that they are lying draft dodging cowards but that so so so many Democrats lacked the backbone to stand up to them. Hillary needs to go far away and we need a real choice this year, a vote for McCain is a wasted vote as he is George-Dick Bushcheney...just another life long politician who will do nothing to end this war.
theWalrus @ 17:
...and the Hillabots say the same exact thing about Obama.
IMHO, there are probably about 5-10% of Dems who are so slavishly devoted to either Hillary or Obama that they would vote for McCain or nobody if their candidate doesn't get the nod from the DNC. The rest of the Dems are more likely to vote for anybody who isn't Bush v3.0. However, the MSM looooooooves to push the meme that all Dems are committed to only one candidate and would abandon the party if their candidate drops out of the race.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 14:
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 9:
You sure about the torture thing ? Word is that Hanoi John got treated fairly well ,in comparison, because they NVA knew his Daddy was a US big shot. Of course, Mc Cain probably told them that before his rank and serial number. He wouldnt even stand up to
Bush/Roves disgusting smears in 200 regarding his own family. Then he went out and hugged President Petulant Prick onstage. Some hero.
Well, if you really wanna see how gullible voters are CNN has a nice poll out (if you believe that kind of thing)
Stick a fork in the election it's over.
I heard on TV that a new important poll has been released.
Beer drinkers prefer McCain
And wine drinkers are split between Barack and Hillary.
Blue Taliban Osama Buddha @ 23:
They think we're stupid.
theWalrus @ 17:
Ah, the poll monkeys have arrived. So one poll says HRC is "significantly" ahead (even though if you subtract the MOE from HRC and add the MOE to BO, they are in a dead heat... sometimes attention to detail is useful). The most recent CNN and CBS polls both show Obama with the same "significant" lead. Political polling is an all or nothing game. Either you believe all of them, or you believe none of them. I personally prefer the latter, and I think most people who have ever had a lesson on small sample statistics will agree. Unless you start getting into Bush or Iraq approval-like territory, polls don't mean squat.
theWalrus @ 17:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqOKvonLrH8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-03vYYAjA
BigTallMatt @ 29:
Bush approval rating at 31%........McCain over Obama and Clinton by about exact same margins....I find it VERY hard to believe that 31% of Americans approve of the dunce.
Marge @ 18:
REALLY? Would you mind backing that one up with a [citation needed]? Until the other day when McCain surpassed BOTH Dem candidates in the polls (arrrrgggg, I hate polls), Obama was leading McCain every time.
Very seldom do I disagree with Bill. He is very smart and he is right on. How far would the Republicans go to get McCain elected? That scares me. I am not saying this to be nasty, but he really looks like he is in the first stages of Alzheimer's. It's scary because he has a very bad temper and he is stubborn. He might be less inclined to listen to advisers than "The Decider" is.
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Ron Says : They think we’re stupid.
Bit of an understatement there Ron. They don't think you are stupid. They are COUNTING on it. I still have problems with Americans inability to focus and get out the vote. 33% turnouts is hardly something to crow about. Canada doubled that ( 66%) in the last Federal election in the dead of winter. Ive read where polls suggest that well over 70% of Americans have liberal views and ideals ? Where the fuck are these folks on election day ?
Those polls suggest the fucktard freepers should be easily dismissed and shouldn't be a real concern or issue. The dark side has Diebold and crew in pocket. It takes more than a couple of points to cover that. I would think that after nearly 8 years of these treasonous lying bastards ? Howdy Doody himself should be able to win a landslide.
Col Kilgore @ 25:
From what I understand, he did not receive any special treatment, broken legs, arms, teeth knocked out...don't sound like preferential treatment...'course, I wasn't there, so who really knows, but McBain, and his captors.
And as for your last statement...that's when I lost respect for McBain as a politician...up to that point, I liked him.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 9:
Tortured? Not according to the new standards.
It's amazing to me that McCain is the republicans' candidate. I mean think about it. He's their best representative? Their problem was they had no really good candidates to choose from and we have two good candidates to choose from. I would prefer two good ones to one bad one.
As mush as I want Obama to win the nomination, there is no way in hell I would refuse to vote if Hillary got the nomination and I sure as hell wouldn't vote for McCain. I want to at least have a say in what happens in November. I want to be part of that change. Of course I am in Florida, so who knows where my one little vote will end up? Hopefully it will be counted.
I'd like to know who the f**k they are polling. If you look at the primary outcomes, the "loser" in the dem race, whether Obama or Clinton, got more votes than McCain. How can it possibly be that close?
Col Kilgore @ 25:
Speaking of disgusting smears.
ysbaddaden @ 27:
What about the 'Kool Aid' drinkers? Feels like that potion is starting to wear off a bit around these parts.
Col Kilgore @ 25:
McCain's military service record and time as a prisoner of war need to be examined especially now. This should not be off limits especially when the office of President of the United States is at stake. This is not to take away from McCain's service or to enhance it. Just examine it is all I am saying. After all, the past experiences of a candidate, both positive and negative, are what makes up the candidate we see today. McCain's time as a prisoner of war could have been a precursor to the constant flip flopping on issues that we have all noted. One such case is McCain's resistance to "waterboarding" yet later on, when the pressure built up against him, he supported the use even though he was tortured himself in Vietnam. What I am saying, is that McCain could be preconditioned to bend to the will of powerful influences or even nations. This could be why the Necons like him so much.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 31:
Listen to Washington Journal on c-span any morning. Couple of people called in this morning praising bush as the best president in history. They are out there and they show their ignorance when they to tell why they feel the way they do about him. Bless their hearts, they are totally fact challenged.
Can anyone say SWIFTBOATING!!!
So why didn't C & L paste the whole interview with Mahr. You know, the part where he talks about Obama being the "Jackie Robinson" of politics?
pfffffttttt - polls are bs, just more manipulation.
Use your imaginations - do you think McSame could replicate/imitate/come anywhere close, to Harrison Ford's James Marshall?
How hollow would it be to hear McSame say something like "We'll never give in to terrorists!"
These TV folks-personalities are hurting to. When your income drops from $36,000 a week or so back and has been reduced to about $15,000 it's time to say something.
theWalrus @ 17:
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You know, when it gets right down to it I guess the American people really are responsible for the mess we are in. They voted for Bush twice. Obama is intelligent, composed and smarter than the other 2 candidates. No one ever mentions he taught constitutional law or that he is half WHITE and raised by a white grandmother. Stop thinking black people, Hillary and McCain are inferior to Obama.
Bill Maher makes a key point regarding Saudi Arabia. We built an army base there, on sacred Muslim land, even after being warned that Islamic extremists would react violently toward us. The oil sheiks said it was O.K., so we ignored everyone else. It's all about American arrogance. It isn't abou building a democracy where one has never existed before. It isn't even about terrorism. Those became ex post facto excuses for a failed policy, based on a willful ignorance of mainstream Muslim sentiment.
John McCain is a better and braver person than George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, both of whom dodged the draft. McCain isn't afraid to disagree with his own party at times. He's likable. But he's a military guy all the way, one who thinks American might can create right. That's why he'd be a disaster as president. Might does not equal right, and it never has. We'd be at war with Iran very soon after a McCain inauguration.
RMHK @ 33:
I would like to know how, getting captured, rates as being a hero. Did he receive the medal of honor for getting captured and ramaining out of the conflict for 5 years? I have not heard of him receiving any medals for being a POW. Is there a way to research this?
BigTallMatt @ 29:
Exactly. A single digit lead is not "significant", yet the pollsters would like to make you believe that it is. Why do you think they're required to take on that little footnote that says "+/- 3-5% margin of error"?
If I recall correctly, Bill Clinton wasn't at the top of the polls at this point in 1992 either. There's going to be some back-and-forth between now and November.
I wish the clip continued, I would like to have seen Matthew's comeback.
Given the crush Matthews has on McCain, I'd expect Maher to be challenged to a duel.
Maher's final comments were so damn spot-on!
the way our nation addresses oppression & aggression with a larger dose of oppression & aggression IS the root cause to our current dilemma.
it reminds me of the old adage: The floggings will continue until morale improves.
maybe the fundies are correct. we have not evolved. we just keep looking for a bigger stick to solve our problems.
Ron @ 49:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain ....
pissed off patricia @ 42:
Bless their hearts? After what this man has done to this country and the world?
I say "fuck them up the old arse with a white hot iron rod."
I haven't seen a poll yet that was taken after Obama made his speech. When those come in, maybe I'll pay attention to them.
I have this thought about McCain. I wonder if his being taken as a POW made him feel somewhat inferior. Like he didn't live up to the reputation of his dad and his other decorated relatives. Maybe all his life he has been trying to do something to make up for this and now he sees a chance to overcome it all by becoming president of the United States. He knows this is his last chance and maybe that's why he is willing to do or say anything to get elected. We all know this is not the same McCain we saw in his last run for president. This is an older and perhaps more desperate McCain. Today he is ready to sell his soul to reach his goal.
Maher is spot on about the war on terror. But anyone who brings up these points is immediately labeled a traitor and a member of the "blame America first" crowd.
I don't see a potential President McCain helping the situation at all. Unfortunately, when all you seem to have are military credentials, you tend to want to flex those muscles whenever you can.
Is that Chris Matthews pissed up ?
I was just sitting here thinking about exactly what the reaction would be on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, and of course FOX if Obama were to say exactly what McCain said: that Iranian operatives are "taking al-Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back." Not just once but 3 different times. Anyone want to guess?
pissed off patricia @ 37:
I understand Patricia. I too have had to step outside my own political box and vote the lesser evil in Canada here too. The last election was all about marginalizing Harper and trying to avoid handing him a majority which worked.Its different in Canada. Here we vote Parliment seats ( my city of 80k gets one such seat). The party with the most seats ( once all the PAPER ballots are counted) wins. Ive never understood why Americans have to declare loyalty to one party or another basically. I do assume you are free to vote for whomever you want once the curtain is closed behind you on election day . You can clearly see the ramifications of party registration. It opens a large can of worms as far as targeting and voter disenfranchisement go. Pretty easy when the opposition gets a list of the enemy. Ive never been a big fan of the Liberal Party persay in Canada and usually voted more progressive and less old school but the Liberal Party is the only thing standing between Canada and another Harper Government. The Liberal party won three of four seats in bye elections recently. I see a no confidence vote and early retirement in Stevie Harpers near future. Cant be fast enough either for the majority of Canucks. Modern Conservatism just plainly sucks.
The Dude @ 55:
I was being kind because they are so freakin' pathetic. I try not to be mean to people with mental problems.
Bill Maher being listening to ron paul i see ;)
The Dude @ 55:
Yeah! And real slow-like too!
Rusty Keating Five Shackleford @ 51:
You also need to consider who they're going to pick as VP. Let's say hypothetically that McCain picks Giuiliani and Hillary/Obama picks Wes Clark... I'm willing to bet that those polls will begin to skew heavily toward the Dems.
pissed off patricia @ 61:
I stopped giving them the benefit of the doubt long time ago. They play dumb, that is a bout it. I know of people who still support this piece of shit, and they know damn well what he has done... try as they might to ignore it. They agree with him, and that is the truth few decent people want to even consider; that a sector of this country, agrees with this jackass in office... and it ain't because of "ignorance."
McCain a war hero?This brain dead imbicle bombed innocent women and children from 40,000 feet in the sky.I think he fucked up his shoulders when he pulled his ejection seat . Where are the other pow's that were in the Hanoi Hilton with this idiot? I'd love to hear what they have to say about McCain as a pow!
What's up with Tweety lately? The past few days he's almost been like the Chris Matthews I used to know and love. I know Obama gave a thought-provoking speech the other day and it really hit Matthews at his core - It WAS a great speech, but was it this great to change Tweety overnight?
This Danse Macabre being craftily orchestrated by the Corporate Megalomaniacs currently running (read, ruining) our nation will have one--and only one--outcome: installation of the candidate the Corporatists feel will promote their agenda.
What do you think might happen if the entire nation (sans the Corporatists, of course) were to go on strike for a week? What are they going to do, fire us all? I cannot see anything short of such a nationwide protest putting a hurt on these bastards. Until we unseat these vile megalomaniacs, and rein in their corporate malfeasance, we are just dancing to their tune whilst wearing the enervating chains of corporate enslavement.
Please, please, please wake up! Let's do something NOW about the Corporations ruining our lives.
Of course Bill Maher is 100% correct. But America is so far gone down the road of a militaristic fascist empire, that no one will stop and think what really caused the terrorist attack on 9-11. Saudi Arabian extremists attacked us because we have a huge military base in Saudi Arabia, and a special deal with the super wealthy Saudi royal family for their oil in exchange for military protection. THAT is what caused 'blowback' as the brilliant Chalmers Johnson says so clearly in his books. Our military occupation of Iraq is also to secure their oil for our own. OF COURSE this creates a new generation of terrorists who want to destroy us.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 63:
Spoken like:
http://z.about.com/d/historymedren/1/0/Z/A/vladcolor.jpg
chervilant @ 68:
Too late. They are entrenched globally.
big iron @ 66:
I want to hear about the ones who endured more torture, and yet unlike McCain they did not sign the anti-American crap the Vietnamese were forcing on them.
But hey, he is a GOP War "hero" so he is off limits. In contrast a Democrat who jumped into a grenade to save his colleagues and lost both legs and an arm... he is fair game of course.
I'm a little disappointed the Maher didn't jump on Matthew's references to regular guys. Who the hell are the regulars and what makes them so distinctly regular? I think he's referring to white working class men who have consistently voted against their own economic interests.
Are the urban working poor any less regular and why aren't we as concerned about their voting patterns and isn't it just as important to point that out?
Meanwhile, I half expect to hear MSNBC blast out a breaking news story that Obama is still black and he hasn't yet pushed Rev Wright over a cliff and the regular people, with their 24 hour news cycle minds numbed to imbecility, would actually eat it up.
The random neural firings of pundits like Matthews and Scar are nothing more than intellectual pollution.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 8:
That's actually a very deliberate strategy of the news shows to avoid lending Democratic talking points any credibility. On the Republican side, the media has worked hard to rehabilitate the reputations of such stellar Republicans as Tom DeLay and Newt Gingrich. On the Democratic side, only comedians are allowed to speak, and credible Democratic representatives are kept to a bare minimum.
This is true from NPR to Fox, and it's a deliberate strategy to delegitimize Democrats while propping up Republicans. It's one of many situations that illustrate that the corporate media is a propaganda machine and not a commons for the views of all the people.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 71:
Yip it is. And the bill is past due.
Albatross @ 74:
Even NPR is now part of the NWO Media
Mathews seems to forget. A big chunk of the "regular guys" never vote for many reasons. I see the numbers for these primaries and they are great. But by the time the general election comes around, what are the actual percentages? Low. It baffles the mind.
Blue Taliban Osama Buddha @ 64:
Obama's running mate?
http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070416/070416_sanja...
Albatross @ 74:
Heck, even Ollie "Rat Fucking Iran-Contra" North now has a show...
The ironic part is that Bill Maher is nor a democrat, he always came off more of a libertarian.
This is an interesting analysis of the Democratic nomination by Dick Morris:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/wrights_rantings_wont_...
And according to a current Rasmussen poll McCain is ahead of Clinton or Obama in double digits.
Do you know what all this means? N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Because there are seven long months until the election and so long as the private corporations have control of our voting there will NOT be a free, fair and transparent election. Capeesh???
Somebody had better start a "write in ballots only" campaign and pretty quick. And I will add to this that the people had better be a part of the counting, in every polling station, out in the open, and on camera.
Honestly. Does anyone on this website trust the corporately owned, privately source coded computers for our elections?!
ysbaddaden @ 78:
I was thinking Chris Rock.
L.A. Confidential @ 76:
I think after the election (if we even have one) NPR will clean house and run the neo-cons outta there. Maybe wishful thinking on my part.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 81:
PFFFT! Chris Rock is too damn smart to run for any political office!
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 81:
You mean
http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/t/H/2/headofstatepubn.jpg
RMHK @ 47:
Obama's so superior that he associates with a guy who freely utters garbage hate speech such as referring to whites as "cigar chomping crackers."
yes, he's vastly superior.
Half of the party has been saying since JANUARY that Obama hasn't been vetted, hasn't faced republican scrutiny, and HALF the Dems say no one really knows anything about Obama.
Obama is full of doublespeak. He divides by race.
He goes on TV after being found to be closely associated with a racist, and gives a speech on race. What?
Geraldine Ferraro: Obama is where he's at because he's a black man, and me, because I'm a woman.
Did she say because Obama's not as smart as a white guy, or that women aren't as intelligent as a white guy? NO.
She backed up what Obama himself said, and then Obama turns it on her and denigrates her long service to the Dem party, and slanders her with "Racist" insinuations.
"Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race. If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all?"
You can be friends with a controversial race-mongering divider, and that's fine...But contributing thousands of dollars to support the proliferation of that race-mongering divider's "cigar chomping racist" BS while running for President, Obamabushies are turning out to be the biggest Hypocrites around.
How the heck is it possible, that after 5 solid years of the republicans labeling Dems as un-patriotic, "treasonist", cowards, anti-American, we actually provide all the proof they need in a guy who's pastor is on video tape saying "Goddamn America"? NEVERMIND that I'm sure Obama isn't anti-American...but has reality stopped the REpublicans?
If Obama gets the nom over the summer, Democrats can kiss 4 more years of the Presidency away.
Book closed.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 82:
It's out of control. I've realized it.
That is what i love about Bill Maher, he can bring down the dialogue so that even "Joe-Sixpack" can understand it. I couldn't agree with him more with regards to "Corporate America" being our own worst enemy.
Maybe, and maybe not.
But for every movement, there will be a cynic. There will always be Doubting Thomas in every camp.
And polls and numbers and opinions and humans can be motivated in all sorts of ways.
You cannot be everything to everyone.
How quickly we forget that.
85 Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright
Book closed.
Here's my favorite book:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOrgLj9lOwk
Uncritical minds (obamabushies) will read this and think first that if a white person wrote it, it doesn't mean anything.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/commentary/la-oew-meyers20mar...
But if a black person should have written it, it will be read, but ultimely ignored because it conflicts with their particular filter they have in place to keep out reality.
Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright @ 85:
So basically, the best way to defeat the GOP is to use their very own talking points... hum, interesting....
I know that in wingnut land this may be a tad hard to understand, but saying something racist (like Ferraro) is not talking about race. And talking about race (like rev. Wright) is not saying something racist.
I know that whiteys like you have been used to have their cake (treat minorities like shit) and eat it too (label the minorities like extremist, fringe, racists when they point out how they have been treated like shit). But it is funny to see the likes of you blow a gasket when an uppity negro manages to ruin 5 seconds of your day by saying something offensive to your sensibilities.
What were you expecting, Obama and Wright to be the good negroes and support HRC through thick and thin... after all she is the massah!
The Dude @ 79:
Ollie also has a
Nazi Youthjunior brownshirtyouth group going, too. In fact, an item that got some play last year was a shot of the kids surrounding their idol and giving him a high-five gesture ... it looked more like Ollie being surrounded by a bunch of kids giving him a rousing Zieg Heil!Is there a Starbucks in Iraq yet?
Okay, Mission Accomplished
Let's saddle-up and get along li'l doaggies.
Blue Taliban Osama Buddha @ 64:
Wes Clark would be a smart choice. Or Edwards.
pissed off patricia @ 56:
Very insightful and possibly very accurate. I was reading up on McCain's service and his time in captivity while in Vietnam. In it, the writer(s) depict McCain, as a Naval Officer who, criticized the civilian leadership overseeing the Vietnam war and later while in captivity, took beatings and other forms of punishment along with the other prisoners. When it became known to the Vietnamese intelligence operatives that McCain was the son of high level Naval Officer they tried to give him preferential treatment and singled him out. He still did not give in unless his fellow prisoners where treated similar or released. Still later, he (according to his words) eventually reached his breaking point and "confessed to his crimes". All of those events are understandable and commendable as everyone has a breaking point.
Define irony. Fast forward to today and we find a different John McCain. He criticized the leadership for its handling of Iraq then backs down and supports it later on when pressured. The same goes for the water boarding issue. McCain now would rather keep the military in a conflict, no matter how many lives are lost, then "take the beating" of being called unpatriotic or weak on defense. McCain, in my opinion has reached another breaking point as it were and his desperation to do anything or sacrifice the military to obtain the office of the President of the United States clearly shows it.
The Dude @ 91:
You DIGUST me with your ignorance.
1)YOu didn't address Obama's comments as identical to Ferraro.
You didn't explain HOW it is racist, when she says the same thing as Obama?!?!?
2)I'm GAY you moron, if anyone know anything about discrimination or being made fun of..yea, whatever.
3)I've been pulled over in a black neighborhood because I'm white and apparently there's "only two reasons why someone like you would be here (white, and in a nice car)"
Don't you dare associate the word "whitey" and "racist" with me asshole, it's more like "fag".
You're so full of obamabushie thinking you can't see the forest for the trees.
Notice you didn't rewrite "cigar chomping cracker" and tell me
HOW THAT IS NOT HATE SPEECH.
Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright @ 85:
And if bigot Democrats like you screw Obama with this Jim Crow, fake story, double standard bullshit, you can absolutely kiss your much needed black vote good bye! If you believe that us negroes will go to the polls for arrogant jerks like you after this crap, you should be drug tested at your job, if you have one.
The Dude @ 91:
That would be mistress
http://www.viralgrapevine.com/images/03676114b9c5_D839/obamabetterthanbo...
Bill Maher expressed the same kind of sentiment that Rev. Wright expressed.
Wright pointed out that America's behavior in the Mid-East provoked a violent reaction.
Obama, typically, distanced himself from Wright's statements that had "caused controversy".
If Obama had been capable of saying what Bill Maher said, I might consider voting for him.
As it stands, he has everybody talking about his grandma.
A letter from Bali about the View of America abroad from my friend.
Hi BB, Check this out,
One of the favorite news channels here is Al Jazeera. I always thought it was a bunch of turban wrapped Jihadist broadcasting from a cave somewhere, but it is a very professional news service on a par with CNN or especially Fox. It doesn’t seem to be any more biased to the east than we are to the west. David Frost is one of the commentators and a few newscasters I recognize from the US. Women newscasters and everyone in sports coats, make up etc. No turbans, no burkas. The thing is they show the aftermaths of the wars, bombings, rocket attacks, suicide blasts, shootings, stabbings, garroting, assassinations, demonstrations and bad shit. It’s the people who are just trying to live without getting blown up that we don’t see in the US. The children in some of these places are basket cases, no matter whom or where the explosions are meant to free or capture or kill or maim. They have been in a state of siege and terror for years. In Palestine/Israel for generations. BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!
You’ve been over here so you can understand the governments watching the US go deeper and deeper in debt to China and throw trillions of dollars into a sand box the size of Montana are shaking their heads. According to the Singapore Herald the US economy is already dead but we just won’t behave like it is. It is at an all time low against the Euro and many countries here are setting up to get off of the dollar standard if the Republicans get back in power and go to the Euro. They say that the dollar is at the same strength as the 1970’s. We are a serious laughing stock whenever Mr. Bush is mentioned or that America is somehow something to look up to. 12 billion a dollars a month expenditures and tax cuts? Oil prices skyrocketing and we use millions of gallons a month to move Hummers and armaments? Sounds like George W.. Simpson. DOH!
Hope to see you soon,
Your Friend in Bali,
******
So there you are folks back in the US, the world views the US as the Simsons.
And they will say even more after Cheneys recent comment about not caring what the
people of his country think of his war. And bush's arrogance is all over the foreign news.
We relly need to get these guys out of the WH.
BB
Gay people can't be racists too?
Rusty Keating Five Shackleford @ 101:
Black people can't be racists too? "cigar chomping cracker"
Cigar Chomping is gay?
Maybe Sigmund Freud was wrong!
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 81:
or
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.postersultan.com/poste...
Antidisestablishmentarian @ 99:
GILF?
Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright @ 102:
Of course they can. As can gay people.
Anyone else make this connection? McCain = variant of mac Cain = son of Cain. Making Warrior John a "Son of Cain" the violent child of Adam who committed the first murder by slaying his own brother. I believe in folktale and literature the children of Cain are considered to be unstable and violence-prone.
From the Bible: (God) said, “What have you done? Your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground!
So now you are cursed from the ground that opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood you have shed.
From wikipedia: In Latter-day Saint theology, where Cain is considered to be the quintessential Son of Perdition, the father of secret combinations (i.e. secret societies and organized crime), as well as the first to hold the title Master Mahan meaning master of [the] great secret, that [he] may murder and get gain.
When Matthews stepped all over Bill Maher's punchlines, the look of utter exasperation on Maher's face was absolutely precious.
Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright @ 90:
Who really gives a shit what a minister said while giving a sermon? Get over it. You should be LOOKING at the candidates and not their colour or sex. It doesn't matter what a supporter of any candidate says. Why should it? Did Obama say it? Did Hillary? Did McCain? People distracted by this media "americun idol" ploy should not have the right to vote because they obviously are not intelligent enough to grasp reality.
Left&Left @ 97:
Fake?
THIS is fake:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/did_clinton_darken_obamas_skin.html
Fake?
Obama didn't say this?
So "fairy tale" about Obama's war stance
''But, I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,'' Mr. Obama said. ''What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not mad
"So it’s not clear to me what differences we’ve had since I’ve been in the Senate. I think what people might point to is our different assessments of the war in Iraq, although I’m always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence. And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices. So that might be something that sort of is obvious. But, again, we were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test." [The New Yorker, 10/30/06]
"Not only was the idea of an invasion increasingly popular, but on the merits I didn't consider the case against war to be cut-and- dried." ["Audacity of Hope," 2006, p. 294]
becomes racist and applied to Obama's candidacy, after Obama "leaks a memo" detailing those lies from the media, as if they were true:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-cam ...
Bill Perkins can say this about Bill Clinton before the accusations against Clinton were even raised, and HE GETS A PASS?!!
That's really UNITING let me tell ya!
Can anyone tell me why THIS wasn't screamed about by the press?
"New York State Senator Bill Perkins used quite explicit racial stereotyping in a speech aimed at discouraging his constituents from voting for Clinton by saying, Harlem "is not Bill Clinton's backyard or his plantation. Underscore, plantation."
Does Bill Clinton own slaves? Cuz I fail to see the connection between him and a plantation?
Racist much, Obama?
☻Bangkok Bob☻ @ 100:
Well...comparing Al Jazeera to Fox or CNN, ain't exactly helpin their case...but everything else in your friends letter is very enlightening, if somewhat frightening...
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 109:
You obviously care, because you were blasting away about Hagee, before this was even brought up about Obama. Even though Hagee didn't marry McCain and his wife, didn't baptize his kids, and call blacks disgusting names.
Rusty Keating Five Shackleford @ 106:
So you don't think "cigar chomping cracker" is..well, racist?
It's all falling apart.
:-)
Dr. Acula @ 104:
Howzaboot
http://www.div.ca/graphics/eddie_buckwheat.jpg
Jay Severin Has a Small Pen1s @ 36:
And those are standards that McCain himself seems willing to endorse.
I'll give him cred for what he suffered and how he suffered. I give him spit for what he's come to stand for and for the pile of poo he has so willingly eaten after it was served up to him by Bush.
ysbaddaden @ 103:
lol...ok, points for that one.
L.A. Confidential @ 114:
What, the thread?
theWalrus @ 17:
HUH????? What did they do? Poll people who can't count? How did she move into a sizeable lead for the nomination when she is behind in delegates and popular vote and there hasn;t been a primary in about 9-10 days?
ysbaddaden @ 103:
White Owl?
Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright @ 112:
I never blasted away about Hagee. I said Hagee was a nutbar. So? What Obama's minister gave was a SERMON. Ever been to church? Ministers give dramatic sermons all the time with politics mixed in sometimes. So? Who cares? If you put a camera in every church on any given Sunday you would find much more of this kind of stuff. Would it piss you off? Then you have a problem with religion. Oh and Billy Graham advised US presidents for years.
Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright @ 113:
Not particularly. But your phony outrage has been duly noted for the record.
Rusty Keating Five Shackleford @ 106:
Rusty, let me clue you in.
When you're not a member of the white, male, christian, "normal" club, you're marginalized.
As someone who went through the early part of their lives enduring being mistreated, well it strongly imbues you with a strong sense of sensitivity to others, and while family members might laugh at an overweight person at a restaurant, or make fun of someone's appearance, I always tried to make them see why it was wrong.
Being the butt of someone's jokes pretty much removes your complicity to discrimination in any goddamn way.
It always makes your sense of fairness extremely sensitive, and I'll stand up for anyone being lied about, mis-represented, and marginalized.
Being called "whitey" doesn't help your fucking case.
[ok...don't start a battle here. And pick a moniker and stick with it J.........Site Monitor]
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Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright @ 110:
I can't continue to debate jaded assholes like you. What does Perkins comments have to do with Obama? Do you apply the same "guilt by association" to Hillary or her buddie McCain? You're jusy a shit slinging troll.
From # 23 above:
My question to Sen. McCain is how can you be so cavalier with the lives of American Service men and women? What are they dying for and what can you promise these people when they return in terms of long range assistance and support.
The war was wrong on day one, it did not improve our chance of capturing Bin Laden and it did not serve to stabilize the area. Lord knows that the Bush/Cheney conjoined presidency purposefully misrepresented the evidence and the real shock is not that they are lying draft dodging cowards but that so so so many Democrats lacked the backbone to stand up to them. Hillary needs to go far away and we need a real choice this year, a vote for McCain is a wasted vote as he is George-Dick Bushcheney...just another life long politician who will do nothing to end this war.
American "security" was never at stake. The PNAC documents clearly prove that the neo-cons planned the invasion of Iraq and/or ME as a whole in order to secure oil and other resources, and to establish permanent, forward military bases from which to continue their expansion in to other parts. Bin Laden, let us not forget, was/is a CIA asset, bought and paid for by our government; and, that the so-called "terrorist attack" on 9/11, was a) encouraged - b) permitted - C) caused (choose your favorite) by the neo-cons and our gov't, the New Pearl Harbor they needed to justify the military invasion of the ME/Iraq. So, you're right, voting for McCain will only ensure that this lunacy continues.
chervilant @ 68:
When corporations are dictating the rules to the government, and the government is enacting them to control and subvert the populace for the benefit of the corporations - we call this Fascism! I think we need to begin using this term more often in our discourse and highlighting the other signs and symptoms of "real" Fascism, so maybe more people will wake up to the real threat to America. I think you can google for 14 points of fascism or something like that, and anyone can clearly see that this is the state we're in.
Rusty Keating Five Shackleford @ 122:
Why is it "phony"? I took the time to write it...so you discount it because it's outside your comprehension, or fair treatment?
The only thing phony is Obama. He's using REAL black people who experience REAL hardship and discrimination as props.
votingvet @ 116:
I'm with ya on that! He's totally forsaken everything he went through, and USED to stand for, in a vain attempt to become "fearless leader".
Left&Left @ 124:
I was thinking racist or bigot, but troll pretty much covers it. So much anger over nothing.
123 Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright Says: Rusty Keating Five Shackleford @ 106:
Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright @ 102:
Rusty Keating Five Shackleford @ 101:
Gay people can’t be racists too?
Black people can’t be racists too? “cigar chomping cracker”
Of course they can. As can gay people.
Rusty, let me clue you in.
When you’re not a member of the white, male, christian, “normal” club, you’re marginalized.
I like being marginalized
Less fattening.
Left&Left @ 124:
You haven't even STARTED to debate with me, because you're NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.
FUNNY...republican much?
[knock it off............pick a name and stick with it.Otherwise...............Site Moniter]
Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright @ 127:
And Hillary uses older women as props.....and McCain uses elderly warmongers as props.......what is your point?
big iron @ 66:
You can bet that if McCain were a Democrat, the right-wing media would be swiftboating him even moreso than they did with Kerry. They would pull fellow POWs out and have them saying all sorts of nasty things about him. Heck, before it was over he'd be accused of sucking up to the Viet Cong and making out with Jane Fonda!
Not ONE of you insulting supposed "above the fray" haters have addressed
Feb 4th
"New York State Senator Bill Perkins used quite explicit racial stereotyping in a speech aimed at discouraging his constituents from voting for Clinton by saying, Harlem "is not Bill Clinton's backyard or his plantation. Underscore, plantation."
"So it’s not clear to me what differences we’ve had since I’ve been in the Senate. I think what people might point to is our different assessments of the war in Iraq, although I’m always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence. And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices. So that might be something that sort of is obvious. But, again, we were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test." [The New Yorker, 10/30/06]
"Not only was the idea of an invasion increasingly popular, but on the merits I didn't consider the case against war to be cut-and- dried." ["Audacity of Hope," 2006, p. 294]
or
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/did_clinton_darken_obamas_skin.html
or
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_8120...
or
Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race.
If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all?"
And it's because YOU CAN'T. You can insult someone who is pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-civil rights, anti-war, but because you disagree on a candidate, you discount, marginalize, name-call, and try to censor with your own "phony outrage."
Nice try.
Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright @ 127:
Maybe it's because you wrote a book?
L.A. Confidential @ 114:
But the Markets are UP today, LA!
Hillary IS an older woman
McCain IS an elderly warmonger
But with his suburban upbringing the only thing Obama really has in common with his props are skin hues.
But I forgot, this election isn't about race.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 135:
I did
But it's stuck in a Commodore 64.
Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright @ 127:
It's phony because Obama explicitly repudiated Wright's comments, and gave a speech that was clearly intended to ameliorate the existing racial divide in this country. Yet you characterize it as "divisive," which means you either didn't listen to the speech or are being intentionally bull-headed for your own reasons. Even if you hated the speech you know that it can't fairly be described as "divisive."
Thus... phony.
Cigar Chomping Cracker, Stereotyped by Pas. Wright @ 131:
Ok, my primary name is Josh.
I haven't noticed this warning to "Hussein" names however.
I have visited C&L for 3 years now, on a daily basis...I come here, because *most* of the time people are fair...they embody the idea of "I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it." Unlike HuffPo, where they censor comments (especially pro-hillary/anti-obama).
I hate this whole entire situation that has sprung up; but when people just glide along and take what they're given because THEY happen to like it, and discount
others who have been along side them the entire trip, that makes my blood boil.
[Ok Josh........just be civil,and don't start a flamewar.And everything will be cool..............Site Moniter]
Joe O. @ 95:
Two very astute observations.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 109:
We have children living in poverty, schools that are little more than overcrowded mini-prisons, can't provide healthcare for adults AND children .... and people get upset because a minister rightly questions whether we have fulfilled our spiritual duty and earned God's blessing?
And the criticism is coming from people who insist we're all going to hell because we're not putting Baby Jesus on the lawn during Christmas, we ain't got our copies of the Ten Commandments stapled to the classroom wall, and pointing out our moral lapses.
The God Squad is the one raping this country from behind, the people supporting this idiotic war, presiding over a failing economy, cheering for leaders so corrupt they make the Pharisees look like a bunch of Quakers.
If you're offended, perhaps it's because Wright correctly pointed out our failures in order to challenge our complacent behaviors. It's no different from any fire-and-brimstone sermon I've heard.
Obama would be at fault, somehow, if he then went out and did nothing. (You know, like the Bush Administration does in the face of criticism.)
ysbaddaden @ 137:
Hahahaha........guess it is if you swallow everything the media says, and apparently some people are. I don't understand the anger. A minister gave a sermon, and suddenly the gates of hell have opened up, because Obama is only half black, or he's too black, or we better colour him blacker. Big deal. What does that have to do with the total collapse of the US economy and dragging the world with it? THAT is what these candidates should be forced to address.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 131:
Canuck, he has no point other than to accuse Obama of being what he is. The trolls who have invaded this site the last few days purposely keep this ridiculous non story alive to keep Americans from talking about issues that really affect all of us. When real issues are discussed, this loser goes back to his porn sites.
Rusty Keating Five Shackleford @ 139:
Rusty, why was the speech given after it became clear that it could and will damage his campaign?
Why didn't he make this "grand speech" in November of 2007, after Farrakhan was given an award and lifted up as a great person? What has Obama DONE to "ameliorate" race relations in Chicago?
These questions will not go unasked by republicans. And it shouldn't go unasked by US either.
Boy it really is true that many people who have been right, but in the minority, have to deal with the crushing blow of the majority, when speaking out "courageously".
Just because people surround themselves with people who agree with them, doesn't mean everyone else does.
We're going to find that out in November..and we once again will have f*cked it all up.
I refuse to buy into kool aid, I'm not gonna drink it. Not going to.
ysbaddaden @ 130:
::: horns blare DA-DA-DA-DAH! :::
::: crown appears on ysbaddaden's head :::
You've been margarinized ...
Left&Left @ 144:
Well, I don't want to get into that. There are a few regulars here that flame me constantly and accuse me of being a troll, even though I'm not.
Left&Left @ 144:
Your mind is so closed to thinking another progressive, and REGULAR OF C&L could possibly disagree with you, that you are part of the problem, "troll" or not.
For the record, I know that "troll" is an acceptable term on the Tubes, but um...I never use it because it is not representative of someone who is letting you know what they think and feel; troll discounts people's opinions, and SOLVES NOTHING.
I REFUSE to let progressives turn into neo-cons, only with different opinions.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 147:
Something we finally agree on...THANK YOU.
Left&Left, what "points" have you made, other than to insult me?
"loser" "porn sites"
Did you miss my earlier points?
What do I have to do to get you to engage in adult discussion, even if it has tons of exclamation points, and me standing on my chair pulling my hair out?
Again, you're not solving anything either.
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