Countdown: Grandpa McCain's Iran "Gaffe" Becomes A Talking Point
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Mar 19, 2008 11:00am
Senator John McCain made Tuesday's Worst Person in the World honors for mistakenly accusing Iran of training al Qaeda members then sending them back into Iraq for the THIRD time, and guess what? Grandpa McCain did it again today. Keith Olbermann breaks down the chain of errors on Wednesday's Countdown that appears to signal a pattern for the aging Senator.
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Contrary to what McCain's campaign reported, the Senator did not correct himself, he was aided by his new BFF, Joe Lieberman. Keith talks with Newsweek's Jonathan Alter about McCain's multiple, identical gaffes and notes that he probably isn't that concerned about conflating Iran and al Qaeda as they're trying to give the false impression that everybody in Iraq is a bad guy to begin with. Alter doesn't see these gaffes as "senior moments," but I'm not so sure. If you watch the video, McCain looks lost and confused. As Blue Texan asks at FDL -- Is this the guy you want answering the phone at 3am, and can we really afford four more years of this kind of cluelessness? As David Letterman says; He's old.
Olbermann:"But he's saying all terrorists are al Qaeda, all extremists are al Qaeda. You're basically then offering the public two choices and neither of them seem to be very good for Mr. McCain, which is it's a senior moment, it's not Chris Farley it's Emily Litella. A two day long senior moment interrupted by a second or two of clarity or it's a conflation worthy of George Bush, which is to say, a bald faced lie about it."
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"That's very different". "Never mind".
I wonder what "Pearl of Wisdom" Lindsey Graham dropped to McBush just before the gaff.
Do we want four to eight years of senior moments from a person with their hand on the nuclear warhead button?
I think not.
Either Democratic candidate is superior in intelligence, perception and energy to Sen. McCain. Could we have someone intelligent as president for a change?
Anais @ 3:
No, we need someone who is "entitled" to the job.
Well..whether he's confused, or lying through his teeth...is moot...he cannot be prez.
Simpsons reference was nice.
Whats new about this Keith?
Why isn't anyone saying it publicly?
McCain shows all of the symptoms of Alzheimer's.
-- Public confusion
-- Frequent memory lapses
-- Inappropriate emotion and mood swings
-- Poor impulse control (his so-called "maverick" behavior)
The man is 72. Should we really be surprised that he's demonstrating some form of senile dementia?
No one can say that this guy, McCain, can or should be President.
He wants to start more war, it just doesn't matter who or what. Bomb them all and let God sort them out isn't a foreign policy.
John McCain's message of hope: "Yes You Can't"
What would Grandpa do with out his BFF LIEberman???
I wonder if Joe makes sure the old guy takes his medication and changes his diaper?
Ooops...Grandpa shit himself again.
Airlines refuse to let pilots over the age of 60(something?) fly, based on the correct assumption that physical and mental health past a certain age is uncertain enought to let them hold the lives of their passengers in their hands. We should take a lesson. Perhaps it should not be sixty(something), but there has to be an age where mental faculties begin diminishing to the point where one's competence to lead this country should be questioned.
But John McBush cooks a mean barbeque for us media types! C'mon, he's old, cut him some slack! Making mistakes is just part of his charm...
In any event, all of these so-called Al Qaeda groups are as unrelated as Ray's Pizzas
The 'Wrong' wing finally have the candidate they've been searching for...<b<Very Reaganesque!
i want him getting the phone at 3a.m.....
HE'LL BE UP PEEING ANYWAY... AND HIS OTHER HAND IS FREE...
RASMUSSEN POLL: McCain Now Leads By Double Digits:
So what now?
Sit around babbling nonsense or get organized?
I'll start from early on in my evolution... I am a biracial man whose father is African-American and mother is Caucasian. My parents met in 1959 when my un-wed mother was in a nursing school where my father was employed as a nurses aide... my mother was engaged to a white man who was attending engineering school. My father had an African-American wife and (5) children at the time of his extra-marital relationship with my mother. At some early point of my mothers pregnancy with me she made the decision to marry her fiance, and to lie to everyone about who the father of her un-born child was... she achieved this by claiming that I had been afflicted with a skin-disease called "melanism".
My mother and step-father had four more children together in the space of nine years after I was born, and we grew up together in a middle-class household in white america where the subject of "race" was never discussed. My earliest recollections of having to be aware of race was when I was asked questions about the color of my skin by other classmates in first grade... "Why was my skin dark?", "Was I adopted?" race was certainly a hot-button issue in 1965-66 when I began school , but any awareness that my mother and step-father had achieved from growing up in their white neighborhoods in the 40's and 50's was insufficient in preparing them for raising a biracial child... and to complicate things, they were both in complete denial of their complicity in my mis-education. When I came home from school after having been asked questions by fellow students from my all-white school district, my mother then explained "the skin-disease story" to me... "other kids with this disease usually have dark blotches all over their bodies, so you should feel fortunate". When I would tell my mother about other boys and girls who would call me names or act aggressively for no apparent reason, I began to understand that I would get no further assistance from her to explain this rationale... my step-father was even more removed from the conversation and would only add, "You know what your mother said".
By the time that my step-father transferred jobs and our family of (7) had moved from the all-white Cleveland, Ohio suburb of Stow to the all-white school district of Portville in Western up-state N.Y. it was the spring of 1970 and I was in fourth grade, and already the veteran of many racial incidents and altercations between myself, classmates, and even some adults. My four younger siblings had also been told the same story, and had to explain the same things to their friends when asked why they had a brother who was black... "Hey, did your mother fool around a little bit??" I remember how much that hurt me when I heard it, and I'm sure that they felt just as badly when they did... nonetheless, this was a "subject" that we never discussed as a family, not once, at least in my presence.
I was taught through my observations of my mother and step-father to keep quiet about things that I wasn't sure about, and I was also taught to ignore the obvious.
As I matured into my teen-aged years and began to experience societies issues and insecurities in coming to terms with this countries racial in-equalities during the 70's, I felt an increasing need to rationalize and then codify the information that my mother had given me, regardless of what I was beginning to realize inside... I felt a growing discomfort/conflict, yet there was no one in my life to offer any other perspective... I had learned that black people were a part of society that we didn't talk about. ( There was a black family in my small town, and they were poor and lived in a run-down house near the river...I never had any opportunity or reason to associate with them)
I was a "B" student and also began taking an interest in sports where I was above average. Meeting other schools and student athletes were opportunities to then be exposed to populations that had not been inured by my story yet...I was just another black kid to them.
Communicating my experiences to my mother and step-father was difficult because they had no experience with racial prejudice, therefore when I had problems with other children it would be looked at as an issue that "I" had in getting along with others(as well as intra-family sibling issues).
Because "race" was being ruled-out entirely, by my mothers denial of my father, she could not logically use that rationale to explain any conflicts that I would have. My step-fathers complicity in this was to blindly support my mothers viewpoint.
The "white" viewpoint has always been that blacks(black society) were pretty well cared for, and what contact they did have would be polite and careful... What, with the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts being passed, the playing field had been leveled.(re: my mother and step-father's generation)
The feelings and comfort of my mother were apparently what was important, and her inculcation had to have been partly comprised of the idea that white society acted as the gate-keepers and care-takers of an infantilized black population.
questions:
How has black society formed its identity?
What role models have been used, and how does white society react to positive
black role models today? (Are they held to a more critical prism??)
Is there enough information readily available for black people to easily form a
positive racial identity?
Is it important that black society is able to connect accurately the dots of its social
evolution in America? and is it also important that white society can connect those
same dots??
What is White Privilege?
What is White awareness?
What is Whiteness?
What about Affirmative Action?
Is Race just a social construct?
How do we improve our society in America?
Is there any other way(besides the attrition of the old guard) to achieve this??
Dave Myers
www.discussrace.com
L.A. Confidential @ 18:
But..but...but....Obama is black and what about that preacher?!?!
Liberal AND Proud @ 20:
I'm losing hope the Dem movement will get organized at this point. Unless a major miracle happens.
I'll still vote Dem, but we're preparing for McCain. How fu*ked up is that?
That old fool only has about 3 years on me but the thought of him in the White House for even 1 week sends CHILLS down my spine. My God people after 8 years of Bush and before that 8 with Reagan hasn't this country had enough of senility and stupidity.
I welcome the McCain Presidency.
We need a leader like that. Our President needs to be a reflection of the country... outdated, ignorant, out of touch, conceited, quick to anger, short on facts and long on rhetoric.
L.A. Confidential @ 18:
Polls schmolls!
I don't even believe McBain is ahead of anything.
Liberal AND Proud @ 23:
Wait, haven't we just endured that for seven and a half years?
So much about the war hero John McSenile:
FACT SHEET: Military record of John Sidney McCain III
read on:
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/mccain_post_card_word%5B...
The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides
Former POW Fights Public Access to POW/MIA Files
read on:
http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm
Navy Awarded McCain Medals For Valor Without Required Eyewitnesses
Presidential candidate John McCain is being hailed by the press as a genuine "American war hero" and says he has the medals to prove it.
For 5 ½ years as a POW (three of which he says were spent in solitary confinement), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.
Former POW McCain claims his experience as a prisoner of the communists better qualifies him to be President of the United States. He has forged that experience along with his military record deeply into his campaign.
But, Navy regulations say two eyewitnesses are required for any award of heroism and McCain has none for the valor awards he received.
Are McCain's Awards Heroism Valid?
The following narrative is what the Navy Said McCain did from October 27, 1967 to December 8, 1967 to earn a Silver Star.
read on:
http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcainmdl.htm
L.A. Confidential @ 21:
Stand fast troops! Even if this poll is remotely accurate...there's a loooong way to go yet before election day! Chin up! We ain't beat yet!
So, try to help me understand this. What is listed below is supposed to be interrupted as informed political debate. Do you really think these types of arguments carry any weight with the electorate and are going to persuade them to you side of the argument?
I have my doubts. Keep it up; you are only making McCain’s election easier.
12 Liberal AND Proud Says: Ooops…Grandpa shit himself again.
Quote This Comment March 20th, 2008 at 9:15 AM - PDT
16 Acting Patriotic Says: McCain shows all of the symptoms of Alzheimer’s.
The ‘Wrong’ wing finally have the candidate they’ve been searching for…<b<Very Reaganesque!
Quote This Comment March 20th, 2008 at 9:17 AM - PDT
17 Big Dick Cheney Says: i want him getting the phone at 3a.m…..
HE’LL BE UP PEEING ANYWAY… AND HIS OTHER HAND IS FREE…
bshock Says: Why isn’t anyone saying it publicly?
McCain shows all of the symptoms of Alzheimer’s.
– Public confusion
– Frequent memory lapses
– Inappropriate emotion and mood swings
– Poor impulse control (his so-called “maverick” behavior)
The man is 72. Should we really be surprised that he’s demonstrating some form of senile dementia?
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 27:
Agreed, the general election is eight months away, a lifetime in politics.
Wow! He actually does have more in common with Reagan than I initially thought.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Clevenative @ 4:
We need Hillary?
Oh yea.. This is certainly who the nation needs handling the 'football' let alone answering the phone at 3am.... A 70 plus year old McCain presidency? Given what he's demonstrating just on the campaign trail, let alone actually running the nation should he end up in the oval office? ... Well, to quote the guy himself. That would be... 'ludicris'.................JD
Personally I think McCain is showing his age and forgot to take his memory meds.
But if there were, and of course there could be intent on McCain part to inflate the turmoiil and Al Qaida fear in hopes of drumming up McSame votes. What was Lindsey Graham and Joe Liarmann there at his side for?
It was like McCain was a prisoner and was making a forced speech with the Gestapo at his side just in case.....................
Al Qeada and Shia Islam are enemies to the death, enemies to the end of time. The sect of Sunni Islam from which Al qeada draws its ideoloogy and doctrine and the sect of Shia Islam view each other as heretics, usurpers and blasphemors. They wish nothing less the total destruction of each other, viewing each other as adherants of a satanic abomination. McCain would have to be brain dead not to be aware of this. Then, to cite "newspapers" as his authoritating source for his claim is showing his craziness and/or his dishonesty.
kep306 @ 31:
That's it! I hereby nominate myself...ah nevermind...
and:
McCain's Military Record Shows He Is Unfit To Be President
...
McCain’s reputation as a war hero rests on the sum total of 20 hours in combat. That’s right. McCain spent only 20 hours in combat in the entire war. He flew 23 missions. He got 28 medals. In other words, he got more medals than he had missions. Not bad. It should be noted that none of McCain’s medals related to anything he did in combat. They were given for the supposed bravery he displayed after he had been shot down and captured.
read on:
http://www.forandagainst.com/articles/McCain_s_Military_Record_Shows_He_...
John McCain's real war record(concerning Iraq)
On the campaign trail he touts his sharp criticism of Donald Rumsfeld and the Bush administration on Iraq. But a look at McCain's record reveals a different war story.
read on:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/01/17/mccain/
Robt @ 33:
I'm thinkin that's equally as likely...
gaffe?
i think not.
what it seems to me is that LIEberman, with his famous tin ear and the fact that the GOP keeps him at arm's length, wasn't brought into the GOP-fold, and didn't get the message (see, order). the GOP/rightwing/war profiteers are desperately trying, by whatever means necessary, to enflame an iranian conflict. mccain, true to his mealy-mouthed ways, was being a good soldier and trying to trick the country into another needless, immoral and illegal war. and what does droopy dog do? he sticks his nose in poop he is not authorized to talk about.
i can't recall ever seeing a prez candidate being corrected like that...
yes, there was a gaffe. and it was LIEberman's honesty (for a change), not mccain's statements, those were purposeful.
Dave Myers @ 19:
Wow, quite a life story.:) But of all your questions, I wonder why you had to even ask this one?
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 24:
My friends, how many active liberal bloggers are there (and I mean including the posters)...a million at best.
Look around you, you are the minority. Silent or otherwise, you are the minority. The country doesn't want change, it had its feel good moment and those were reflected in Barack's numbers. However, its clear that the public was simply waiting for an excuse to not vote for the black guy or the woman...so they latched onto the preacher and soon they will latch on to Lewinsky...and then they will cling to the security blanket they've always known...the "seasoned" (read OLD) uncle. They no longer want the guy they can have a beer with, they want the wise old uncle, they want grandpa, they want Daddy...just as they did with Reagan. They latched onto GHW Bush cause he was grandpappy's friend, they latched onto Clinton because he promised them the things they wanted to hear, eliminate welfare (ohh..there's that racism thing again), and he didn't promise high taxes (but got them anyway...but he got a pass because he balanced the budget).
Yeah...it was fun bein' all rah rah for the black guy and all those white people felt good voting for him...specially when it didn't cost them anything...I mean...he wasn't gonna go into office the next day...besides...I'll get the do-over to vote for the old white guy.
This is America. Face up to it. The power of today is the counter culture movement of yesterday, and they are behaving in accordance with their past behavior. Sex, drugs and rock and roll were fun...but...geeez...we were kids...we were just blowin off steam...we didn't really mean that anti establishment stuff we said. NOOO...we like the establishment...we want more...we ARE IT. It's OUR turn.
So, calm down. The old fucker is gonna win. Probably win big too. But no worries, we'll have the satisfaction of knowing we were right...as we watch another generation of our children die in a foreign land for a mindless war, watch our family die off cause of lack of healthcare, watch our friends die off because no one speaks of AIDs anymore, watch our environment destroyed because...yell..who gives a shit about trees, watch our food poisoned cause...yell...I need the stocks in my 401K to go up.
Relax. Have a drink. Wave a flag.
This actually makes perfect sense. Neocons love a mentally limited candidate that they can prop up as a puppet and take all the abuse while they implement their selfish agendas. Look at it: Reagan, Bush Sr, and Chimpy are and were all, in their own ways, really not the sharpest tools in the shed (though I would give Sr the dubious honor of being the best of the bunch). I am not even being sarcastic or snarky; it's all right there.
The thing that truly bothers me is the seemingly preternatural ability to get large portions of the American electorate to support and vote for these people.
Liberal AND Proud @ 40:
What is this? Reverse psychology? What a downer!
formerly th 4th @26;
Thanks for the fact sheets... This man is truly disgusting, what a bullshitter...Some freaking war hero, he's NOT! This kind of information needs to be spammed to every voting age man and woman. Especially the braindead armchair warrior moron class...
Just to remind them how cluelessly stupid they've been to have ever bought into the republican congame....JD
L.A. Confidential @ 18:
Relax, it's a RASMUSSEN poll !
He's a regular guest on Hannity.... need I say more ?
BaddogLtd @ 10:
Hee hee hee, at least it a positive negative.
Liberal AND Proud @ 40:
that's fuckin cynical and defeatist! NO FUCKIN WAY, am I EVER gonna give up!
☻Bangkok Bob☻ @ 2:
Yeah that, and I couldn't believe how he was nodding his head in seeming approval with McStraightJacketExpress over and over again!
Bonkers Hussein @ 41:
and dont forget Dan "it's a terrible thing to lose one's mind" Quayle. Was only a parachute-fialure sky-dive away from becoming prez.
But you are correct, they hire lovable losers so that no one dares to make fun of them cause everyone feels sorry for them. McCain would fit right in.
Chico Hussein @ 44:
Seriously! My opinion? If I were a neocon scumbag? I would be working to falsify and manipulate the polls to fit the desired result:
a win for McCain, achieved by cheating. Of course, that's a whole other worry; we have to limit the cheating to assure safety from another 4 years, at least, of conservative claptrap (those upcoming SCOTUS appointments, one of the real prizes of this prez race, being in the hands of these selfish clowns give me chills).
Liberal AND Proud @ 40:
Chill dude - You have any idea how long 7 months is during a presidential election year?
Can you imagine McCain in a nationally televised debate with either Obama or Hillary? I'll start worrying in mid-October if most American's still have their head in the sand. Hell, we haven't even picked the American Idol winner yet this year and you're worried about the presidential election already? You got it, Relax, Have a drink. Wave a flag - and enjoy the horse race - we're not even out of the gate - and there's liable to be a thrown jockey, pileup, or disqualification before November.:)
BREAKING:
Cheney Ex-Aide 'Scooter' Libby Disbarred
Vice President's Former Chief of Staff Convicted of Lying to Investigators in Plame Case
y Carol D. Leonnig
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 20, 2008; 11:59 AM
Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, was disbarred today by a District of Columbia court that ruled that his convictions last year for perjury and obstructing justice in a White House leak investigation disqualify him from practicing law.
......snip ....
Libby's disbarment is effective as of June 12, 2007, when he first filed a declaration saying he would voluntarily comply with the court's rules on professional ethics for lawyers. Libby, 57, could seek reinstatement to the bar five years from that date, in June 2012.
Last July, a federal judge sentenced Libby to 30 months in jail. President Bush commuted the sentence, calling it "excessive."
Clevenative @ 50:
You left out "possible terrorist attack"...
I think it is great that he is a war hero but he plays dumb when it comes to Iraq. Joe Conason just wrote a column about just how much McCain plays dumb. The link is Here.
[why do you want to post such drivel.....Deleted....Site Monitor]
I'd vote for McCain, if he was going for the 'office of scaring kids off my lawn'.
(McFibulator + McConflatermouse = McTick) X (McQuaida + McBombIran) = McConFABULOUuuss!!
This Week's McAKA's, updated and the Big Pile O' McAKA's
goat hussein sage @ 52:
I would also pay close attention to the GOP VP nominee. Probably either upcHuckabee or Shit Onmy (the GOP has to pay back its debt to the religious right). McCain is obviously declining into full dementia, and my expectation is that by the middle of his term there will be a moment where he will drool and shit himself on live television. Hopefully it will be during the State of The Union. It's been a long time since I had a good bellylaugh.
Bush angrily wants to know why Scooter Libby is not allowed to go to BARS anymore.
Joe LIEberman whispers in his ear that it's not THAT kind of bar.
Chico Hussein @ 58:
Bush replies "He wants to go to gay bars?"
Fanon @ 59:
Welll, it certainly wouuldn't be a topless bar...no respectful Republican would be caught dead around a naked WOMAN.
Fanon @ 59:
http://www.rathergood.com/gaybar/
Yeah! They will develop a relationship with Iran, because we are propping up a Shia led government in Iraq, which is ideologically in line with IRAN!!!
BaddogLtd @ 10:
lol, that's a keeper.
Ricky Bones @ 61:
YEAH! Then we'll control half the oil in the Middle East and the price will go to $130 a barrel!
Yeah...that's the ticket!
Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein @ 62:
McCain greets international delegates at State Dinner..."Well hello...pull my finger."
Chico Hussein @ 54:
Chico Hussein @ 54:
Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein @ 56:
My contributions du jour:
McFakeWarHero
McFalseFlagOpIsInTheWorks
McConflagration
Lots of Americans are stupid enough to believe McLiar.
I have yet to see any evidence of extremists being trained. I don't believe any of this BS.
Liberal AND Proud @ 57:
Thanks for the laugh, L&P! I almost spit my lunch out across my desk!
Liberal AND Proud @ 40:
this is the conventional wisdom.
and it is wrong.
i see where you are coming from and i share your frustration, but don't let corporate-spin, GOP disinfo and msm failures cloud your thinking.
the majority of the country leans left, and is on-board with the progressive movement. look at people's views on social security, corporate welfare, healthcare, etc. and you will see that the only way the GOP gets votes is through muddying the waters and stoking the so-called "culture" war (flag burning, gay marriage, illegal immigrants), and don’t forget fear-mongering. And lies.
Before every election the right wing, skillfully, finds some sort of "wedge" issue that they can use to distract the people. not only do they use "wedge" issues, they also distort the issue and try to do whatever they can to scare the public.
the country is a lot more liberal than the GOP, corporations, and the media would like people to believe. liberal bloggers are more mouthy than others, but don't think that we are the only ones who think this way, it is exactly what the GOP hopes to make people believe.
McCain the Liar @ 66:
We have yet to see any evidence Al Queda did 9-11.
Samson- @ 69:
You didn't listen to Obama's speech. Racism is endemic to our country and that includes a gender bias...even on the left. No one wants to talk about it. It is there and it will prevent this country from putting a black or a woman in the White House.
It's not nice to say...but the fact is...it's the truth. It is politics. Until people of common economic brackets see the similarities they share with those that dont look like them, we are going NO WHERE.
Chico Hussein @ 65:
Liberal AND Proud @ 40:
When McCain was a prisoner of war he was tortured into making anti-American propaganda films. Recently he supported Prez Bush's veto of the anti-torture bill. I think it will be real interesting to see those propaganda films resurface during the fall campaign, and St. McCain try to explain those along with his support of torture.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 24:
He's way ahead on the Derby Dead Pool.
Liberal AND Proud @ 72:
obama's speech? is that the end-all of discussions?
anyhoo...
racism is NOT endemic to our country. it is, again, a way to deflect criticism of the inherently unfair and unequal economic system. as in: 'you aren't poor b/c of the system, you are poor b/c a black guy took your job.' that is an uber-simplistic take on it, but i hope it makes my point. of course they try to create this impression while they laugh themselves all the way to the bank.
we aren't 'inherently' racist. no, we are inherently looking for someone to blame for our social and economic troubles, and the those controlling the levers of power in the country have done a marvelous job of deflecting the anger. the problem, as the elite-PR goes, is not the economic system, it is the ungrateful (or lazy, or slow, or whatever) people.
like i wrote, our country is a lot more progressive than the elite want people to believe, and injecting divisiveness into race/gender/geographic relations is a brilliant (see, evil, Machiavellian) way to keep the economic classes from coming together and demanding change.
don't give up
eric @ 74:
You think that the "torture issue" matters to most folks? See people marching in the streets to stop the torturing, do ya?
Not only no... but hell no. Nobody gives a sh*t.
Dr. Acula @ 67:
Thanks Doc!!
;-}
Johnny2Bad @ 77:
people care Johnny,it seems that whatever we say or do falls on deaf ears.This admin is going to do whatever it wants..........and sadly,the Dems have done (not enough)
BaddogLtd @ 10:
Or "What'd I say?"
Masala @ 28:
McGinkoBiloba'snotworkinsogood
McAlQaedaEverywhere's "gaffes" are receiving a lot less media attention than Obama's preacher. Glenn Greenwald points out that the media, who know McCain, aren't reporting on it because they think lovable McWarForever probably didn't have his cup of coffee yet. So no news here. [Besides, the media love going to McCain barbecues, you know.]
I doubt it's senility, however. McCain repeated the al Qaeda in Iran comment 4 times. The first couple gaffes, maybe senility...but four times?! I believe it's a deliberate strategy, an ongoing Bushie strategy, to confuse the public about who the enemy is and why we're there.
The author of this piece , McCain-Clinton '08? Obama-Hagel? That's the Ticket, is Lanny Davis, a legal counsel to WJC during his presidency and now one of HRC's campaign advisors. In it he explores the possibility of one of the two parties offering a "bi-partisan" presidential/VP ticket and predicts that it would sew up the election.
Is it possible that if she loses the Democratic nomination, Hillary WOULD run as McCain's VP and hope that he dies in the next four years so she can be president? Would Obama go for a bipartisan ticket to win more votes? (Seems farther-fetched to me since he's making far fewer waves in the Democratic party.)
What do you think?
Masala @ 28:
You missed my quotes about Cheney supping on the blood of dead Iraqi children.
Must we continue calling McCain "grandpa" and things like that? It's extremely childish and very Republican-esque in it's tone. Not to mention - very agist.
I'm a devout Democrat, but if we need to lower ourselves to the standards of the Republicans, then what's the point in even setting ourselves apart at all? Where's the integrity?
Daniel @ 85:
Ok. I'll refer to him as MISTER Grandpa. Or should I simply call him that "aged veteran (thank you for your service) with a complete lack of understanding of the intricasies of the Middle East, who sold out his principles, embraced the extreme wing of his partner, and prostituted himself to the man who humiliated him and his family in the 2000 election, so he can run for POTUS"?
Daniel @ 85:
Lighten up! McCain doesn't deserve respect when he presents himself as a foreign policy expert, yet he can't tell the difference between Sunni and Shi'a. But we should stay in Iraq for another hundred years. How will he be any different than Bush?
Daniel @ 85:
That same name-calling was used against Ronald Reagan during his first Presidential campaign but it didn't work, even then.
Leslie @ 87:
He's older, and he actually fought in a war. He also makes better barbecue.
Leslie @ 82:
I agree, Leslie. It's McSame, pure and simple.
eric @ 88:
It didn't? I thought Carter lost?
Liberal AND Proud @ 40:
And 200+ million visitors to C&L alone (psssst! We have an audience lurking around now and then and some of them haven't decided to continue fucking up just yet)...Something else to be aware of.
Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein @ 92:
2 million visitors...you assume alot.
Maybe we should institute an allegiance pledge to keep out the slackers, trolls and newbies.
Johnny2Bad @ 77:
I was focusing on his anti-American statements. Check this out: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=118542
Liberal AND Proud @ 91:
Do you understand that Reagan was called called too old for office, in so many words, during that campaign but he won anyway? So why should it work today/
Liberal AND Proud @ 93:
I assume some, which out of 200 million is a lot, so technically, you're right, if not in tone, lol...
eric @ 95:
He wasn't "called to old for office". The issue of age was raised and addressed. If you recall, his medical records were released and at least one government doctor spoke specifically to the topic and specifically about the man.
Now, it's all of a sudden a none issue. Which is in and of itself fine. However, being physically and MENTALLY fit to assume the Presidency is a LEGITIMATE ISSUE, and is also taken into consideration within the Constitution itself.
Don't make me quote it.
Reagan also underwent regular examinations the results of which were PUBLICLY released.
Including his skin cancer and I believe he had polyps removed.
So...put down the hot pocket and go READ.
Vote Grandpa!
http://www.cientobailando.arrakis.es/grandpa2.jpg
Daniel @ 85:
The answers, McMyFriend, can be found here.
Liberal AND Proud @ 99:
I would have gone with wiener.
Left&Left @ 80:
Or "Where's my undershorts?"
Liberal AND Proud @ 99:
That's what you get when you fill your jean's pockets with popcorn kernels and walk out into the hot Texas sun.
For the trolls...you want to come in here and spew your half truths and feigned political correctness...I suggest you check your facts first.
I've forgotten more history than you'll know.
ysbaddaden @ 103:
Funny you should bring that up. I have a 'friend' who's a nurse at Walter Reed and attended McAncient's (in your honorable honors, daniel and eric) last physical. When she asked him for semen, stool and urine specimens, McFuckinOldasShit (h/t d&a) looked confused 'til Cindy McCrazyeyes (just for the pc'ers here) leaned over and said,"she wants your underwear, Johnny."
;-}
ysbaddaden @ 104:
Here's what i found on Wikipedia:
By 1984, Reagan was the oldest president to have ever served, and there were many questions about his capacity to endure the grueling demands of the presidency, particularly after Reagan had a poor showing in his first debate with Mondale on October 7.
I remember pundits, Johnny Carson especially, ridiculing his advanced age, I feel certain even during 1980, which is 4 years earlier that the article above.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_1984
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_1984
Liberal AND Proud @ 105:
Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?! Got 'em straight from FUX and verified on Newsmax.
eric @ 107:
Take a look at the campaign for the 1980 election. His age was brought up then, primarily because people were looking ahead. I'm going from memory, but I believe he was 68 when he won in 1980, but I could be mistaken.
" Sen. McCain and I offer many years of foreign policy experience" Aaahahahahahahaha!!!
eric @ 107:
Where's the poll saying "I voted for Ronnie cuz they was sayin he's an old retard"? Perhaps more people would have voted for Ronnie Retardo if this had not been pointed out to them.
Liberal AND Proud @ 109:
On the Randi Rhodes show she just reported that a McCain camp worker is reported to have released the "Wright rant" video to the media. The aid was reportedly suspended.
bshock @ 8:
I want him to release his health records so we all can know what's going on with this guy. Seriously, I think his age should be a issue in this race and not because I'm a AGIST. But because there's a very real possibility that his deteriorating condition (yes, we are all deteriorating slowly after our 20s) could impair his judgment.
Are any of y'all also having trouble with scrolling down today?
My screen keeps jerking around like an epileptic on Quaaludes.
eric @ 112:
Fair enough. Negative campaigning, unfortunately, does work (swift boat/illegitimate black baby et al, anyone?). We are not concerned with swaying committed progressives to our side, but we do need to turn swingers(low info/moderate/independents) away from McApocalypse, if not toward us, and if negative, truth-based memes help, let's use 'em.
114 Mister Anderson
Don't they usually geld mavericks?
Left&Left @ 113:
Left&Left: Not to try to contradict you.
But I believe the church was selling the video's.But you're probably right about the McCain camp giving it to the media.
mudshark @ 118:
I believe they meant the edited "inflammatory" version.
ysbaddaden @ 115:
I noticed the same thing, but I mixed up my Diamox with my Oxycontin so I never know what I'm gonna be lookin' at. Check your dispenser against your scrips and call me in the morning, lol.
P.S. And how does a non Muslim saint get 'im some a that sweet sweet tanta?
Left&Left @ 119:
rightttt. gotcha.Thanks.
ysbaddaden @ 117:
See '2000 primary'
Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein @ 116:
I think swiftboating with facts to back it up is acceptable, but name-calling reflects back immediately on the perpetrator as being disrespectful.
All these segments Keith does are getting annoying, its the same shit...
eric @ 123:
And entertaining, amusing, engaging, easy to remember, etc. If you want to specialize in the 'high road' in the battle to take back democracy, more power to you - do that. You have my full support. Just don't look down your pc-liberal-as-weak-effete-elitist-doesn't-understand-the-average-swing-voter-and-thus-supports-repig-talking-points nose where the swingers who'll decide our fate can see you do it and we'll get along fine. All on the same team here, and I'm glad to be with you.
;-}
chris @ 124:
Hey chris, how ya doin?
I'm sorry, but Alter sounds like a buffoon here.
"McCain's a smart guy, but he doesn't like to get into the 'muck' of policy..."
Excuse me? The "muck"? By "muck" I assume he means "the substance of the job of governing."
Isn't saying "he's not really a policy guy" the same thing as saying "he's not fit to be at the head of the branch of government that makes and implements policy?"
Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein @ 125:
Agreed, but I feel that those McCain Vietnam era anti-American films are more effective than any amount of name-calling.
The media has been falling all over itself to hold Obama accountable for his preacher’s words. Will they now hold McCain accountable words that are his own?
eric @ 128:
Agreed, but I feel that those McCain Vietnam era anti-American films are more effective than any amount of name-calling.
Great! Use your energetic erudition to promote the hell out of them, and let us grunts with the bayonets down here in the trenches do our thing - there's a lot of advantages to full spectrum offensive warfare.
Gotta go...will check back...please leave a massage ;-}
“Last word, freak.” - Melvin Udall
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Get used to him. He will be the next pResident. Hillary screwed up her campaign with inept people, and Obama screwed his up with the race baiting Reverend.
The only revealing thing here is Alter's little reminder that Iran is "making mischief" in Iraq. The US invades Iraq, unprovoked and illegally, occupies thier country, tortures them, kills a million-plus of them, displaces 5 million, but their next-door neighbor had better behave itself. The liberal Zionist wing has spoken!
Keith Olbermann is a windbag.
What we're seeing here from John McCain is the beginning stages of early onset Alzheimer's Disease. Let's keep an eye on its progression over this year.
Haven't watched the vid yet, and a wee bit OT, but grandpa related:
I was curious so I typed "Barack Obama" into YouTube and there are 61,300 videos.
For grandpa McSame there are only 14,000 videos. The GOP obviously has no idea what they're missing out on with the internet, but Obama totally gets it. Another example of the old dinosaurs (that think we're beneath them: not worth consulting) we want to rid ourselves of, and those who understand and want change, and know how to reach the people. OK. Back to whatever you were doing.
PS Hillary Clinton had a respectable 55,000 videos. Big difference between parties.
1- McCain knew all along the Quida's were not being trained in Iran.
2- Holy Joe was not briefed as to what McCain was up to and thus corrected him.
3- McCain deliberately said what he said and will do so again.
4- It's a good opportunity to see which news outlets or reporters would dare and hold him accountable
thus clearing the way for McCain to make future "misstatements" as they become convenient.
McC will say anything he damn well pleases and get away with it and the same will be true of
right wing news outlets and wingnut commentators.
Swiftboat the senile old fool. At least this time it'll be truthful -- unlike the calumnies, lies and falsehoods hurled at the actual war hero, John Kerry (who, damn his patrician ass, should have fought back like an uncaged tiger).
C'mon... this is the same guy who thinks it's a belly laugh to sing bomb bomb Iran to the tune of the Beach Boys... over a year ago. Finger on the button? I wouldn't trust him to pick the right button at an elevator.
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