Media interest in the stained blue dress begins anew
By Steve Benen Wednesday Mar 19, 2008 7:30amOver 11,000 pages of Hillary Clinton’s schedules from her years as First Lady were released yesterday, with hungry reporters anxious to dig in. At first blush, their anticipation is not unfounded — getting a better sense of how Clinton spent her years in the White House could bolster or undermine her claims about her experience, which are obviously underpinning her presidential campaign.
But the schedules themselves are actually kind of boring. As the NYT noted, the records have “all the emotional punch of a factory-worker’s timecard.” The materials aren’t a diary, they don’t include transcripts or gripping details, and they more or less just give a sense of where Clinton was on any given day.
Left with little relevant news, major outlets aimed lower and ran with irrelevant news. Consider this bizarre report from the ABC News “Investigative Unit.”
Hillary Clinton spent the night in the White House on the day her husband had oral sex with Monica Lewinsky, and may have actually been in the White House when it happened, according to records of her schedule released today by the National Archives.
It wasn’t just ABC; the lead item this morning on CNN’s political blog was this AP item: “Hillary Clinton was in the White House on a half dozen days when her husband had sexual encounters with Monica Lewinsky, according to the first lady’s calendars released Wednesday.” The report goes onto list every single Lewinsky liaison, and where Hillary Clinton was at the time.
These reports are cheap, tawdry, and absurd. By what rationale is this considered important? How does an editor or producer justify humiliating a presidential candidate for no reason?
My suspicion is that shallow journalists, who enjoyed the Lewinsky scandal a little too much a decade ago, never really got over it. Sure, they moved on to other scandals and personal-interest distractions, but they never forgot their first love. Given half a chance, they’ll go right back to it, whether it has news value or not. And yesterday, they were given half a chance.
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Oh my God, not Monica Lewinsky again!
KKKarl Rove will start penciling in lurid (fictional) details: he's gotta toss the base some RED MEAT. "Threesome night. Bill shot all over me and Monica-- yummy."
"Man cheats on wife - wife unaware."
Seriously, WTF?
Stained Blue America?
Sadly, this will give the occupied White House ammunition in its determination to keep its records from getting into the public's hands.
Obama is about to win Texas "Primary/Caucus" on March 29 and get the majority of the state delegates. Texas Democratic officials told the Clinton campaign lawyers to f**k off, because there won't be any "recount" or whatever they were asking for.
I'm looking at the Democratic Primary 2008 Map that's going to be updated on March 29 and that Texas looks f****g HUUUUGE... Obama's Texas, or if you will, Obama's momentum boosting Texas...
LOL to Hillbots
Zzzzzz.
Well, let's see. Elliot Spitzer, three-way trysts in New Jersey, immediate confessions form new NY gov. Now this. A veritable orgie of sex in the media.
The corporate/ repgilican media is a national disgrace, a sin, almost at the level of a criminal enterprise akin to a kind of mafia. They have their corporate generated 'agendas' that are all about benefiting the corporate bottom line: profits for the corporations which then spawns pure greed. And this trumps any other consideration. This is why they buy the souls of those that they hire and are then called 'journalists' and 'reporters. And it is exactly these kinds of 'journalists' and 'reporters' that lying , deceiving, and manipulating public perceptions on behalf of the corporations who have hired them in the first place. Their souls are gone. In their place is nothing but a rancid abscess full of the puss of evil itself. The corporate/ repiglican media is indeed the 'new axis of evil'. They should be charged, tried, and convicted for purposeful, criminal, fraud committed against the American people. Why is it that something like a Brian Williams can get paid 15 million a year for 'reporting' the propaganda that it is hired to 'report' while at the same time the teachers of our kids only make roughly $30,000 a year ? What the fuck in wrong with this picture ?
Okay, so NOW can we have Pig-Rove's e-mails and THE DICK's energy task force records? Yeah, I thought not, too. IOKIYAR!!!
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Your mainstream media (please, hold your applause).
I am a died in the wool Obama supporter but that type of reporting has absolutely no place in this campaign. I'd like to know what her schedule says as far as HRC's involvement in meetings or where she was at critical times that she claims experience from, but I could not care more about her location when WJC was getting his BJ.
The 4th Estate went bankrupt long before our current mortgage crisis.
OMIGOD, please tell me that no one is surprised at the elementary school mentality of our MSM!!!!!!! If you've been awake and alert for the period of this administration ONLY and can't see how broken our media is I feel sorry for you...only those over paid pompous "look at me" types that pepper the airwaves and tv screens believe for a moment that their TALK is informative...
Remember the good old days when mudslinging only involved race.
I can't believe that people are trying to derive something from a bunch of schedules that were probably dictated by Clinton's secretary. What do they hope to find? An entry indicating that Hillary Clinton was scheduled to peep in on Bill Clinton unannounced to see if he is messing around perhaps? These are schedules we are talking about, not a personal diary written by Hillary Clinton herself. Geez, the news pundits need to get a life.
bobswire @ 13:
In the world of intellectual discourse, the media is in the ghetto.
How do they know Hillary didn't have a whistle around her neck yelling, "In...out...in...out...suck in your cheeks...breathe through your nose you t**t!!
ekwhite @ 1:
She's baaaaaaaaack.
And the Shrilbots are flabbergasted.
Is this the part where Hillary starts crying again?
Quality stuff ABC! This is the type of hard nosed reporting missing from this election cycle. True, it neatly reflects on the vapid media class who don't care about domestic or foreign policy because they're competing with TMZ.con and have abandoned any shred of genuine political curiosity. Hey but so what, it’s a "human interest" story right? How’s your families feel about this new high watermark for your reporting acumen?
"But the schedules themselves are actually kind of boring."
Of course they are boring! They are schedules. Most of it probably ammounts to: First Lady to attend a White brunch on Jan. 1, 1998 at 12 noon followed by a meeting with leaders of the DNC at 1:45 PM for example.
No matter what the media does John McCain ain't gonna be president.
He won't make it to election day.
ysbaddaden @ 18:
TWEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!
Personal foul...spitting.
This is just trashy journalism. What, couldn't they find another picture of the prostitute that the gov of NY was seeing? Too much of media swoops in on these sex scandals like buzzards to road kill. Yeah, trashy is the best word I can think of for stories like this.
What's worse this reheated trash which should be filed under who the fu*k cares.
Even Ben Stein realized that the MSM goes ape over sex. This country is in an unending war, we are being pulled into a recession toward a depression and the obsess over a almost 20 year old scandel. Anything, anything at all to slur and flame Hillary Clinton. You can not tell me that their is not bias out there, from the MSM and the bloggers and posters when it comes to smearing Hillary.
It is, literally, beyond comprehension to me that with all of the problems facing this country RIGHT NOW -- such as an illegal 5-year invasion and occupation of Iraq, the collapse of our financial markets, the devaluation of our dollar, our mounting federal debt and deficit -- all courtesy of the Decider-in-Chief (of whatever the hell he is calling himself today or this week) that the MSM is dredging up this BS. It all happened over eight years ago and has absolutely no bearing on what was happened during the past seven years with Bush as the "president."
Simply unbelievable.
The One Redaction from Hillary’s Released Schedules We’ll Never See
When are they releasing the phone logs? I think it would be newsworthy (?) to find out which member of Congress Pres. Clinton was on the phone with during those encounters...
raincntry @ 12:
Exactly.
Hmmm...I can't think of any other important historical event to report on...nothing that started 5 years ago that affects all of us, rather than tabloid trash that affects a family.
Liberal AND Proud @ 24:
The swallows of Capistrano.
Liberal AND Proud @ 19:
Dont'cha mean flabberthighed?
So, in the wake of Bush's mind-numbing speech packed full of empty assertions and tautology ... amid McDumbshit repeatedly attesting to Iran training al-Qaeda (and Joe Bomberman correcting him) ... while Cheney sails on the Sultan of Oman's yacht and also repeats lies about 9-11/Iraq and Iran having a nuclear program ...
::: waves Hillary's schedule about :::
MSM: Arf! Arf! Blue dress! Arf! ::: wags tail, sits up, begs for cookie :::
Did they provide a White House map with the locations pinpointed? Here the "job" was going down. The First Lady was here. What about Chelsea? Where was Chelsea? Where was everyone! Let's see it all in 3-D splendor!
Countless Republicans want to know!
Anyone surprised by this? What was expected? Of course this was eventually going to come out, why wouldn't all this stuff be rehashed. Isn't it part of the 35 years experience?
I'm more interested in the political functions she attended that gave her "experience" from "day 1".......you know, visiting Russia and attending birthing classes and eating caviar. Now that's some important stuff!! It's 11,000 pages of nothing and the media should be reporting JUST THAT. Her claim of experience while being first lady is no more truthfull than her sneaking into Kosovo with Sinbad and Sheryl Crow while under sniper fire. Pure unadulterated lies.
To quote dick cheney, "So?"
MSNBC took tucker's show away from him and I thought we were free of him, but nope, no such luck. Now he's popping up on all the other MSNBC shows. He was on morning joe this morning. It was unwatchable between he and joe pissing on Senator Obama's speech. They seemed to think only the elite residents of Manhattan would understand what Senator Obama said in his speech. I guess I should be thankful they weren't talking about this reheated blue dress story. They'll probably get around to it tomorrow.
I agree that this is not news or of any journalistic importance. What I wonder though, is about the forced outrage of the blogger regarding any humiliation. If this was about Bush and Laura, or Senior Shrub and Babs, would that forced outrage still be present, or would the knives be out? Just wondering.
more at my blog...
Already we are starting to hear things about these schedules that border on rumor or conspiracy theory. People view items like these routine schedules and let their imaginations run wild. Give it enough time and some people will say that those schedules indirectly show that Hillary Clinton conspired with some shadowy group called the Illuminati for example. It makes little difference to them if none of their claims are accurate, backed up by fact, or that those schedules show absolutely nothing more than routine, boring tasks and errands. They simply see what they want to see and this is the world the right wing (especially) lives in.
Shadowgm Hussein @ 33:
Perhaps the DNA is the press's own.
A press excited by this should be considered deviant.
Let's get Monica's technique nailed down while we're at it.
How much cum was involved?
This investigation is clearly not investigative enough! Nail it down!
raincntry @ 12:
I agree. This is just outright BS for ANY "news" outfit to bring this old shit back up...good god, let's move forward, not backward...oh wait...I forget..the "media" is incapable of forward thinking.
Does this mean the Bushies will release the SS logs detailing the comings and goings of the gay,uncredited journalist,male prostitute Jeffy " Bulldog" Gannon ? Bill Maher said it right " There are moles in the White House and apparently a few gerbils too."
Joe O. @ 38:
She did have private meetings with business leaders supporting NAFTA. Suppose she was trying to talk them out of it, considering she says she was against it?
DaveTheAngryRhodeIslander @ 37:
If it were possible for me to care less about this story, I would if it involved any of the bush's. Who the hell cares? I said it back then and I feel the same way now. This is between a man and his wife....NO ONE else.
"Hillary Clinton spent the night in the White House on the day her husband had oral sex with Monica Lewinsky, and may have actually been in the White House when it happened, according to records of her schedule released today by the National Archives," the press ejaculated.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 39:
DNA = Distracted News Addicts? (or substitute a far less salutory term)
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 43:
The key word there though is "suppose". Unless there is other evidence to back up what was said during that meeting like minutes for example, a meeting noted on a schedule is just a meeting until proven otherwise.
pissed off patricia @ 44:
Although I agree with you totally, that is not what will happen. I'm surprised it took the media this long before the REAL mud started slinging. Just think what it will be like if she wins the candidacy!
Given half a chance, they’ll go right back to it
Like a dog to its vomit...
Joe O. @ 47:
I agree, but that isn't what it will look like to the media. This is just the beginning. Wouldn't it be great to be a Hillary supporter right now, and get to live through this stuff? Wait, it will get even crazier.
It was even worse before ABC updated the story.
When I first saw the headline, it said, "Hillary Clinton spent the night in the White House on the day her husband had oral sex with Monica Lewinsky, and may have actually been in the there when it happened," -- unclear antecedent making it look like she was watching it.
And I doubt that was an accident of editing.
Loose lips sink presidencies
&
Friends don't let presidents drive drunk.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 50:
Agreed. It will get even crazier and thats for sure.
As a card carrying Obamabot I'm really pissed, now I'm defending Hillary.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 50:
Let's all blame the Obama sleaze-machine.
What does her schedule say on the days leading up to the Waco massacre?
What does her schedule say on the days leading up to Elian Gonzalez's deportation at gunpoint?
These may be a little more interesting to know than warmed over smut.
ABC has just entertained an idea of love triangle on the air. It's getting better and better.
Forget the schedule. Can we see the White House surveillance tapes? Can we? Please. Please? PLEASE!!!!!
Did I miss the interview with St John's lady friend???
Kuparuk @ 51:
bobswire @ 54:
At least they haven't brought up ALL of Clinton's trysts yet. They'll wait and bring that up if she wins over Obama. Pointless garbage. Guess it's better than showing anything of substance on that there liberal media.
jack @ 58:
She disappeared off the face of the earth. Amazing.
The press and other media outlets in this country are so foul that they will bring on a McCain victory. Lights out on America.
StevePam @ 56:
Odds are, her schedule may not indicate anything at all regarding those incidents. We have to remember that her position at the time was that of First lady, not the Attorney General or someone else that would have been directly involed in those cases.
[[[56 StevePam Says]]]: What does her schedule say on the days leading up to the Waco massacre?
What does her schedule say on the days leading up to Elian Gonzalez’s deportation at gunpoint?
These may be a little more interesting to know than warmed over smut.
===>> It's a national passtime. A staple. A must. Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and warmed over smut.
It is truly truly sad kids. This is what passes for media in the US now. All shit .. no substance.... All fluff.. no facts ....All bull... no balls. I read with amusement the other day of the story of CNNs Bushie bootlicker Kyra Phillips running all over Bahgdad looking for one fucking soldier who would say he was happy to be there and supported the illegal
and murderous invasion of Iraq. That must have put poor little Kyras bent nose out of shape for sure. Shes probably still looking.
StevePam @ 56:
Elian Gonzalez was not deported. He was reunited with his father.
Duh the media does this because the majority who depend on MSM for "news" (who are stupid and gullible) will think that this translates into Hillary being more "vetted" or "tested" and somehow more qualified. It's a complete rouse. They do this instead of asking truly important questions. It's typically idiotic and utterly transparent.
Joe O. @ 63:
According to Linda Tripp it was Hillary and not Bill Clinton who directed the final assault on Waco.
According to Steve Barry, Hillary set up a special “crises centre” in the White House to deal with Waco. Serving with her in the centre was Vincent Foster who was found dead, from a gun-shot wound to the head, in a Virginia park three months later, according to his widow was subsequently: “fuelled by horror at the carnage at Waco for which the White House had ultimately been responsible.”
Col Kilgore @ 65:
It is sad, Colonel. And I'm glad that the same posters who feel the same way about this ABC/ vast right-wing hit-piece are the same ones who decried the New York Times story of the unfounded rumors of John McCain affair with Vicky Iseman on this very blog. I think there was only one thread on those tawdry allegations before everyone basically revolted and exclaimed 'Please, John. No more!'.
Same with Larry Craig, David Vitter and Mark Foley. There is just really no appetite for that sort of reporting.
Well, the implication -- snotty in the extreme -- is that she was too clueless to know what was going on, so how could she be an effective leader. Bullshit, of course, but there you are, right into at the heart of modern American political strategery.
StevePam @ 68:
They are having a special on tin foil hats at K-MART this week.
You won't want to miss it.
Don't kid yourself. Sex sells. Kinky sex sells best. The owners know the more they can focus the public on semen stains on Monica's dress, the more viewers/readers and the higher the ad rates.
What better than an evening of American Idol, followed by Lost or Survivor and topped off by a "news" program that features a bobblehead smirking about Bill's semen? Well, maybe a Sunday of watching billboards race each other around a track.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 71:
You might want to use your computer to educate yourself instread of trying in vain to insult those who already have.
OMG! Hillary was in the same state as Bill when he was getting a hummer from Monica? *clutches pearls* I'm definitely not voting for her NOW.
I'm pretty sure Larry Craig was in the same state as the police officer who arrested him in the bathroom trolling for Butt Sex too.
So fracking what?
StevePam @ 73:
Anyone who starts out saying Elian Gonzalez was deported is already exposing himself as being misinformed.
Gathering "information" is half the task of becoming informed, weeding out the bullshit is paramount.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/124271
At least somebody is reporting something other than sex in multiple parts of the WhiteHouse.
The really shameful part about this is; our children and our children's children will be reading about a blow job in their US History Class.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 75:
And here I am thinkin Janet Reno was in charge of the Waco clusterfuck. And the Elian Gonzalez thing.
If there was ever any question about the responsibility of ABC, CNN, and any other media outlet in the critical matter of electing the next president of the US, those questions have all been answered now. This is low-class and reminds people of the worst days of the Clintons. It has nothing to do with the qualifications of Hillary Clinton, nor is it an indication of anything she did that proves or disproves her qualifications claims, which would have been relevant news. It was meant to humiliate her, and though I won't vote for her, it's a nasty move I certainly don't appreciate.
Stupid strategy of the Obama camp. Is going to backfire.
"These reports are cheap, tawdry, and absurd. By what rationale is this considered important? How does an editor or producer justify humiliating a presidential candidate for no reason?"
How can anyone be surprised or shocked by the behavior of the predominantly liberal press?
The stain won't be able to compete with "Goddamn America." And after Spitzer's escapades, Monica is so yesterday.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 78:
As i recall a Federal Judge made a decision about custody of Elian and the law was enforced. I know that since Bush became President we forget sometimes that Presidents used to enforce and obey the law, but that is my recolection.
Waco was a crime.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has moved into a significant lead over Barack Obama among Democratic voters, according to a new Gallup poll.
The March 14-18 national survey of 1,209 Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters gave Clinton, a New York senator, a 49 percent to 42 percent edge over Obama, an Illinois senator........
Gallup said polling data also showed McCain leading Obama 47 percent to 43 percent....
The Arizona senator also edged Clinton 48 percent to 45 percent
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 84:
The polls have spoken. Swear her in.
The only relevancy to Waco on this thread was that David Koresh was tipped-off by a local reporter for TV news that the feds were coming (no not like Monica), and led to the Camp Davidians murdering several ATF agents that led to the stand-off.
StevePam @ 73:
OK I should have said repatriated? Expelled?Reunited with his father and Fidel? Or I could weed out the bullshit and say forced by government to leave the country...OR deported.
ANYWAY.
On April 22, armed U.S. agents conducted a pre-dawn raid of the Miami family's home, snatching Elian at gunpoint.
Laura, Condi and Karen Hughes in the White House when Bush screwed the American people!!!
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 85:
Cowboy comedian Will Rogers said, "In America, we swear in our president, and then cuss him out."
He also said, "I belong to no organized party. I'm a Democrat."
If Hillary wasn't aware of what was going on in the same building that she was in, how could anyone believe that she has any clue of what is going on in the much larger world around her? That is why this is a story you biased chumps. You all could use some balls like Dkos. Homogenized activism is what this is; homogenized just like Hillary's schedule. Oh the irony.
Elian was being illegally held. And by illegal i mean against the express orders of a Federal Judge.
StevePam @ 73:
Hearsay on the internet does not constitute proof. I can find links that attest Hillary Clinton is in league with the Bildeberg Group, was responsible for Waco, and is somehow connected to the Anunaki (extraterrestrials).
There are no reputable sources associating Foster and Hillary Rodham Clinton with the events at the Branch Davidian Complex, unless you further wish to stipulate that Janet Reno and former Sen. John Danforth (who led the investigation) are also complicit.
What sources do you cite that suggest otherwise?
tek @ 82:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONXp-vpE9eU
*sigh*...
there's a certified sociopath in the oval office as we speak, people are dying in a senseless war, our military is being ruined, ditto for the economy, climate, and civil liberties, heck you name it and chimpy's ruined it, and these phartknockers are worried about a semen stained dress over a decade old. kripes.
tek @ 82:
So this is what this country has come down to: out of context sound bytes, and torrid private lives of politicians?
I guess it is OK to illegally invade a country, kill hundreds of thousands, leave a whole city to literally drown, waste billions of taxpayers dollars, screw the economy, etc. etc. etc.
Shadowgm Hussein @ 92:
What sourcse do YOU have???
I never once suggested I have sources that others may not be privy to.
Why on Gods green earth do you think I said I would like to see if it's on her schedule???
To see if there is any truth to it.
I sure as hell didn't ask so you could respond with useless sarcasim.
Unless you have the pages I'm asking about I really couldn't care less what you have to say.
tek @ 82:
You hope.
At lunchtime yesterday, I was at Firehouse Subs, which runs Faux News all the time (yuck!) and their first report on the schedules showed where Hillary was on the day Vince Foster died. That was where they first looked! (By the way, she was in California--Ha, ha--no meat for them...)
Well, at least the Clinton's have released the record/diary of Hillary's activities; but
on the other hand, go to the C&L thread of March 19th, at 3:40PM (Judge Gives W/H
a Deadline on Emails)and you will see that this crooked/lying/dishonest W/H has destroyed millions of emails at the exact time the invasion of Iraq was being planned
consequently WE will be deprived and never know what underhanded and illegal
activities took place between Pearle,bush,cheney and others...Now THAT is news,
and not this BS about Hillary.
Remember the song dirty Laundry by Don Henley of the eagles back in the early 80s?
"When it's said and done we haven't told you a thing, we all know that crap is king"
Americans love to talk about sex and hear about sex, but get uptight when it's protrayed visually...bunch of freaking hypocrites.
Doggiebobo @ 99:
By the way, I have found nada/zilch/zero/nothing in the MSM about the destroyed
emails..not on any of the cable news outlets, not in the Wall Street Journal, not in
the NY Times, not in my local paper, not on PBS...so WTF...is this illegal activity, like
soooo many occuring in the current W/H, going to go unreported by the MSM? Probably
so.
StevePam @ 96:
I apologize for the comment - the Tripp/Clinton/Foster remark was made by someone else in the nested posts.
However, you implied that you had superior knowledge/education to others, and had 'used your computer' to obtain it.
I'm simply pointing out that there's garbage to be found as well as knowledge.
Your standard reponse to people who contradict you is 'shut up, I'm educated, and it's Clear You Don't Know The Truth'. It's the persecution complex of the UFO nut.
We don't play that game here.
It wasn't the media who dug this up again, it was the Obama campaign. Get it straight.
Its almost general election season..its time for the corporate media to wake up the drooling masses from their American Idol-Gladiator coma.
brian @ 103:
Hey, get a life and facts and your BS comments are easily disputed.
Hillary should set up a news conference regarding this, the first words out of her mouth should be... "Lets show the rest of the world why freedom of the press is so important... First Question."
Blue dress? Snore
I'm not a Hillary fan but this is ridiculous...the hatchet job Insannity and FAUX are carrying out against Obama is repulsive to watch and now they are gonna dig this ancient history out of the vault to smear Hillary for being in the vicinity of her hubby getting head to make her look bad ?
The right wing has been out there calling dems racist yet their recent actions are as bigoted and hateful as anything coming out of a David Duke rally.
Question I have is what about St. John ?
You're shocked the media would bring this up? I've been waiting for it. I'm surprised it took them this long. There's nothing like sex to to get eyeballs. I just waiting for other dirt from the Clinton era to be churned up anew. It's gonna be a long eight months.
God Damn America
God Damn Blue Dress
God Damn Iran Giving Arms To Al-Qedia
You choose... rank in importance to the survival of the human species
Dan @ 90:
Yes, this a story because Hillary was too trusting of her husband and didn't know what he was doing for 5 minutes in one of the other 131 rooms of the White House.
lolo @ 110:
what exactly is your point?
Ahhhh! Nobody asked for her damn schedule! They asked for her tax returns. This is such a blatant act of foot-dragging. Does nobody see this!
Dan @ 90:
She is only aware of the stuff that is convenient to her at the moment. And, when to CRY, or bring up the 'right wing conspiracy'
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 35:
"'In all, 11,046 pages have been made available. Nearly 4,800 pages have parts blacked out. Archivists said that's to protect the privacy of third parties. Schedules for more than 30 days of activities were not included in this release. ""
Why, which ones are NOT included - WHAT else is there ?
""Several hours earlier, an aide had discovered inside the White House family residence long-sought billing records of Mrs. Clinton's legal work on Whitewater-related real estate transactions that turned out to be fraudulent.
Furious prosecutors, who had subpoenaed the records 18 months earlier, ordered Mrs. Clinton to testify before a federal grand jury about the records. She appeared on Jan. 26, 1996.
Her calendar for Jan. 26 says ''No Public Schedule,'' although the first lady stood before a bank of microphones in front of the federal courthouse in Washington, and declared: ''I am happy to answer the grand jury's questions.'' Several hours of testimony she gave that day made her the first first lady to ever be hauled in for such questioning."
THAT's her experience of the RECORD !!!
"Her schedule has her choosing flowers for a black-tie dinner, congratulating ''Guns Aren't Cool'' award winners and reading to kids in the week in January 1998 when allegations of the scandal begin coming out. She denounced a ''vast right-wing conspiracy'' in a TV interview. "
""Clinton says her years as first lady equip her to handle foreign policy and national security as president.
But the schedules show trips packed with plainly traditional activities for a first lady, along with some substance.
For example, in her January 1994 visit to Russia with her husband, her schedule is focused on events with other wives. She sat in on a birthing class at a hospital, toured a cathedral and joined prominent women in a lunch of blinis with caviar and salmon. ""
How can anybody take this fraud/ fishwife seriously ? With this kind of heavy-duty clinton baggage the repigs/ McInsane's BS will never be in focus !!
They bring up all the petty BS against Obama, b/c there isn't much. Whatever is unknown of him, he needs another 20 years to become 50% of shillary, the fraud. The WORST anti-Obama damage was / IS being made by shillary and her pple, mostly by using the UGLIEST American 'values' in Rove playbook they adopted - RACISM as the main one.
That's why if shillary 'wins' thru CORRUPT, UNDEMOCRATIC superdelegates scheme, hail to the chief McInsane. Media don't have to do much.
lolo @ 110:
You left out the most important: God Damn bush for invading Iraq.
Craig @ 113:
Read the comments here - diff strokes for diff folks..
Hillary wants everyone to be thoroughly vetted so I don't know why anyone is complaining. And, keep in mind, that the Republicans will trot out all of this stuff so best it comes out now. How's that for turning things around on the Clintons. Maybe it's time people remembered what their first two terms were all about.
Slaw @ 30:
raincty presents a great argument as to how negligent and obedient the MSM really is. Despite the argument that "it's only a schedule", Hillary has taken some political risk here, and the conservative brain trust has figured out a way to manipulate the information to carry out a political smear. Now I think it would only be fair if ALL of these crooks and liars had to open up their own calendars.
Hill and Barack still have not figured out the republicans. It's one thing to get out your message, but you also have to exploit the opponents weaknesses. They should already be running against the republicans, and not each other.
Media interest in the stained blue dress begins anew
Sounds like a new Elvis Costello song
The Angels Want To Wear My Stained Blue Dress.
I currently work in the online dept of a corporate controlled newspaper and they care nothing about news. they are all about selling advertisements. u even suggest ways to report on news stuff and they aren't interested. only listen if it involves new ways to generate revenue.
I hate it. I want out. This is not the news industry ben franklin invented. this is another corporate money machine
Sorry for the misspelling raincntry
Now that I think of it
Since "Uncle" Miltie used to like to wear a dress on the old Milton Berle Show
Was he the first TV star?
Che's Lounge @ 118:
Yeah, wouldn't it be nice(and revealing) if cheney was requested/required to release
the information relating to the numerous times he met w/Gannon, in private, in his
offices? What's good for the goose is good for the fuck(opps, I mean "duck")
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102 Shadowgm Hussein Says: StevePam @ 96:
Shadowgm Hussein @ 92:
StevePam @ 73:
You might want to use your computer to educate yourself instread of trying in vain to insult those who already have.
Hearsay on the internet does not constitute proof. I can find links that attest Hillary Clinton is in league with the Bildeberg Group, was responsible for Waco, and is somehow connected to the Anunaki (extraterrestrials).
There are no reputable sources associating Foster and Hillary Rodham Clinton with the events at the Branch Davidian Complex, unless you further wish to stipulate that Janet Reno and former Sen. John Danforth (who led the investigation) are also complicit.
What sources do you cite that suggest otherwise?
What sourcse do YOU have???
I never once suggested I have sources that others may not be privy to.
Oh I do, I'm a turd reader.
Shadowgm Hussein @ 102:
Here's what I learned on the computer:
http://www.relativepath.org/assets/2007/8/1/bonobo_gg_rubbing.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18TLHhhHZCA
ysbaddaden @ 125:
I never once suggested I have sources that others may not be privy to.
Oh I do, I'm a turd reader.
What a hoot. Now that is the kind of humor we need to start the day off.
Records will show that Bush was in the White House when lies were told about Iraq. But no sex was involved so that's not important.
Monica Lewinsky and why it hasn't happened sooner begs the question. How much is the the right wing Neo-Con hate baters going to pay, buying out Lewinsky. Bush said money talks.
Well America it should be only a matter of time after Lewinsky appears to take a side. What will it be?
If there is anytime in history were Mainstream Media, and hate radio WIND, ABC is being obvious in its roll to plunder the Public. Here, MSNBC, CNN, and Fox are the key players, and they all have the attributes of a tyrants dream. For the longest time, obnoxiously abusing the public’s electromagnetic spectrum as a tool against the very public that licensed them to work for the good of every American.
However, these corporations are caught as the main core of contextual smear with deliberate deceit with a primary goal to swindle, cheat; profiteer from Americas Treasury, and with deliberate intent manipulate the election process in the Constitutional System. All have been complicit for years with Bush and Company. As the Democrats just gained a small margin of control in the Congress and Senate to give a better direction is the real the terror to the Neo-Con’s in control now. Losing power will likely result in a horrible humiliating and devastating Republican Party history that will take decades to work out of.
First line Journalist across board are the key players in the current misery America is subjected to in relentlessly 24x7 service. The irony is we all pay extremely high costs to even watch and listen to it all. Talk about a preposterous algorithm of freedom and social engineering that went kaput, we have it in the American broadcasting system in spades. America’s free enterprise in the free market system is quite literally a tyrants dream. Then, we all wonder why America is so dysfunctional in its place right now in the world. Here, the electorate is driven daily with bias in a corrupt elusive way through hidden corporate agendas to, educate, inform, or in creating over sight, but actually with deliberate deceit in an on going basis disseminates very calculated ideals to manipulate the electorate’s actions for political ends.
It’s really funny to me when Joe Scarborough can stand before a camera painting a portrait that exaggerates or distorts the essence of a person or thing, all the while create an easily identifiable visual likeness to their reporting, all with descriptions usually of a Democrat, Hillary the center target using exaggeration of some characteristics and oversimplification of others. Sometimes insulting or complimentary but to serve a political purpose to be drawn solely for doubt with the free speech cover-up of being entertainment, but actually is divisive social smear in the new concept of free speech treachery.
Obama, who has been very charmed by this juggernaut, is only lightly feeling the corrosive effect. However, in some cases being caught for all the same reason all political persons get caught in. At first my impression of Obama is like many now that follow him and praise him thinking he is original. But after, reading his book “Audacity of Hope” there is a realization of how really elegant and manipulative Obama is, were a lot is not good.
With his speech about the reverend friend Wright only brings forward the hate misery, and suffering whites have had to endure since the civil war. One thing Blacks totally ignore is that not caring about is the transition from Blacks being of slave decent for eon’s in their own lives only shifting slavery to a new having no comprehension of freedom, education, communications, and even personal identity has been given to a race of people yet they characterize Whites as supremacy were actually it is leadership.
It is one thing to talk about change but it’s another thing to tell America how long it will take, Obama is only hinting about that now. All a very divisive issue that will destroy the Democratic potential to gain a leadership position in America. My personal views go to angry monstrous thoughts as Obama is comparing a White Grand Mother to his Black Minister. Uncle Wright has been parley to a level of appreciation as good as this own White blood Grand Mother or better. Many could not do that with their own Grand Mother especially me, moreover never really knowing her as she died before I could.
There is no escaping reality to suggest Obama’s White Grand Mother would be proud of him right now, but be sure she might cringe with the ideal that Obama expresses a true love to a man dismissing his short moment of hate out burst. That exampled by his Grand Mother simply talking down making Obama cring on a Black passer by. But, being White Grand mother might understand the dark side that grips Obama to embrace that angry dark side. Here a Black Ethnic Sovereignty shifts to a very articulate speaking word smith, that is a transition by God’s grace, life’s gifts of a resonating voice, an appeal to view, a thin frame, big ears, and we all pray a mind that is Christian and just that will not waver to the very bigoted ideology we fight against in Islam. It’s not White Supremacy but God’s Supremacy.
One thing is for sure this sort of thing doesn’t always happen in a Black White relation as was Vice Presidential candidate Geraldine Anne Ferraro’s argument as to Obama being lucky where he is, she was right on target. The exploitation in that situation is the truth of the bias that has been handed down in the Mainstream Media for decades. You saw the furry and the spiting splattering Chris Mathews charm his way spinning it to a Democratic dysfunctional action by Hillary. This is not true, and Hillary was forced to condemn a friend of all the people becuase Mainstream Media charaterized Ferraro as a racist by her statement. Now if anything, that was sad, and that furry of the message it is a learned ideal that Hillary and Geraldine with all Democarts learn the devisivness of the Mainstream Media message monster we deal are dealing with.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 91:
Stalin had army of judges signing off on Siberia/gulags deportation orders for millions of innocent pple, as did the Nazis. As has boosh. Anybody sane thinks Reno's/clinton regime was ANY different ??
The child whose mother died in the ocean trying to get him out of communist hell, was abducted from his FAMILY by US armed military, sent back into Fidel's clutches. Father had no choice but to state whatever instructed by Fidel's goons - he was in their domain. VOICELESS ...
Clintons politicized the judicial as bad as any other regime. This was political ass-kiss from clinton to Fidel. Child's fate/future had nothing to do.
Hillary Clinton found guilty of funding the Oklahoma City bombing, white house documents suggest...Timothy McVeigh...went to...Elohiem City...which is very close to Arkansas....where Hillary sometimes visited after she got into the white house..so .Go Keith O and Chris M and Anderson C.......go with evidence like this and do your worst. You have been fucking with our primary process, and millions of us out here are MAD AS HELL AND WE ARE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE! Report the news, facts,not what Hillary and the clinton-machine are thinking or feeling. And stop with the MAN-CRUSHES over Obama, it is embarressing; it's like watching a grownup business man is suit turn into a screaming 14 yearold girl...because a football star quarterback walked into the room. This year the election is just way too important to have to wade through cnn and msnbc horsepiss...just to get the news.
It is not to humiliate Hillary, it is to portray her as the victim so people will feel sorry for her.
Remember WACO!
grownup business man in a suit.....i was trying to say
douglas in oklahoma @ 131:
Sorry but how have the talking heads you cite "been fucking with our Primary process"? You can't blame the media when your candidate is losing if you didn't blame the media when she was winning.
Oh by the way it turns out one of the early voices demanding the removal of Don Imus, after the nappy-headed hos comment...was......OBAMA. oh those bad whiteys
I have blown off the MSM and just figured they are clueless, that they follow the lead of the dumber....pravda news or the tabloids.
But I have finally come to the realization that the MSM is complicite in this whole "dumb down" and distract America front. They ignore the fifth anniversary of the biggest blunder this dumb-ass preznit has made, and instead look at the stained dress from the White House how many years ago?...as if it's an event to mark??
The MSM are just as guilty, yet perhaps a little more veiled, in their treason to the American public. They no longer serve the public. They serve their corporate ownership, and that is a cheap example of "news" to say the least.
We have only a few news organizations worthy of serving the people. The rest...and sadly the major networks....are now pawns in the hands of the repugs/neocons/corporate control.
Sadly, the good ship lollypop is going under. America has a terrible cancer, and I don't know what to make of the prognosis. It doesn't look good at this time and with the short time to prevent even worse disaster.
Hillary aint losing and he aint winning, neither can get the magic number. In the republican primaries it is winner take all, used to be that way for the democrats; by those rules she would have already won. He does not WIN the nomination, 'cause he is a few votes or delegates ahead..the magic number must be achieved..and he cannot get their either. But whoever wins, I will vote for...I am a democrat. But just watch a bit of Fox and watch them tear you boy up and you may understand why we democrats who support Hillary Clinton have fired Keith O and Chris M. If it is not honest and truthful new, it is fucking with the primaries. It looks like it will be an OPEN comvention in Denver.....and the democrats have not gone through anything like that since the 1950s or maybe 1968 in Chicago. oh my
If Obama's scandals are fair game, then so is Monica and the blue dress, Hillary.
You should be careful of what you wish for - you just might get it.
And you have shown no class at all in response to Obama's speechifying. That's the first time you were forced to shut your yap, and I'm very thankful.
Hulk you are so dead on. But what am feeling good about this year is...that so many people are engaged and paying attention.. a few weeks ago thousands and thousands walked away from Keith O and his diatribes agains HIllary; his ratings reflect this, and that is why msnbc is repeating his show more than ever before. But it is not working. We can still get it wrong, but I hope there will be a lot more protest, yelling and screaming. Not like 5 years ago, when numbnuts just walked the world into war..and we did nothing.
StevePam @ 68:
These might be in the 'unreleased' 30 pages of schedules.
Nazis were gassing the victims first, before sending the bodies into ovens, since burning alive was considered by those monsters too gross. Clinton's administration didn't have such qualms. Discussion of was it Reno the Nazi/Vince Foster/ shillary is not that important - it was a matter of NATIONAL/worldwide importance, and HUNDREDS of human lives. If they didn't get it, one more point of being not suitable for the WH.
There IS so much of clinton baggage of the WORST sort, if DEMS/DNS do not step in and shillary is allowed to inflict more damage on Obama and the democratic party, get ready for hail to McInsane.
douglas in oklahoma @ 135:
Imus is a DJ whose show was heard nationwide.
Wright is a pastor whose remarks were heard by his congregation.
By the way, Imus is back on the air. Should we expect Rev. Wright to be invited to give the opening prayer at the Capitol?
I’m not a Hillary fan but this is ridiculous…the hatchet job Insannity and FAUX are carrying out against Obama is repulsive to watch and now they are gonna dig this ancient history out of the vault to smear Hillary for being in the vicinity of her hubby getting head to make her look bad ?
The right wing has been out there calling dems racist yet their recent actions are as bigoted and hateful as anything coming out of a David Duke rally.
Question I have is what about St. John ?
You know, Fake News is trying to still sell us on being "Fair and Balanced". Which is why we'll never hear about McCain and his lobbyist mistress unless he's found in bed with her and he's unconscious.
Shadowgm Hussein @ 141:
Obama speaking out didn't get Imus pulled off. Imus's corporate advertisers pulled their money, therefore Imus was let go.
Everybody knows if you want the news, watch BBC, if you want entertainment watch any of the big three in the US.
All this "magic number" talk is starting to annoy me, because the magic number is wrong. The total number of pledged delegates is 4047, so the nominee has to have a majority = 2024 (technically 2023.5, but who's counting). Florida and Michigan didn't count so they don't add any delegates to the total. THEREFORE, the total number of delegates SHOULD BE 4047 minus Florida and Michigan delegates = 4047-367 = 3680/2 = 1840. The magic number should be 1840. Not 2024. Both of the candidates are closer than they think. How can the finish line be a total of all the delegates from every state if you have thrown out two states?
Interesting to note that these old Hillary documents were released in response to a lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch, "a conservative, non-partisan educational foundation" primarily funded by anti-Clinton billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife.
Craig @ 113:
Til her "foot-dragging" stops, how about the voters get to see Obama's records/schedules backing up his experience in IL? How about his phone calls especially his days in Chicago (buying real estate, meeting with his close political friends)? Where can everyone look at all his tax returns? Please provide a link to Obama's obviously requisite transparency. Or doesn't he have to be transparent?
LPD @ 145:
Please see my comment. This is not Hillary voluntarily releasing her old schedule, there was a lawsuit, so National Archives released them. The fact that the Hillary Campaign and her supporters are trying to spin this as something she did on her own does not suprise me one bit and it will not distract from the fact that she continues to say that she will release her tax returns and then do nothing.
LPD @ 145:
What's wrong? You don't have "The Google"? Took me three seconds to see how transparent Barack is...........
The majority of the msm is just plain lazy and trying to restart the Monica scandal is helpful to them. BUT, SANE HONEST PEOPLE WILL JUST MOVE ON because it has no relevance to this campaign.
The bad part is that it provides cover for Barack and he needs to be kept in the limelight to show him that he cannot lie to America in his supposedly "uniting" speeches and get away with it.
PssttCmere @ 148:
Did he lie in a speech? I haven't heard this. Where?
If Bill's splatter made an image of the Virgin Mary, would Catholics worship Monica's little blue dress?
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