Face The Nation: Lindsey Graham Insists "The Surge Has Worked On All Fronts
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Sen. Lindsey Graham, newly back from his Iraq trip with BFF John McCain, appeared on Face The Nation to reiterate that really, the surge is working. No, I'm serious. It really has.
But the big picture for me is I’m incredibly pleased with the performance of our troops and Gen. Petraeus. On the political front, we’ve had the de-Ba’athification law passed. What does that mean? That means members of the Ba’ath party, who ruled the country under Saddam Hussein are now allowed to get some of their jobs back. That means the Shi’a and Kurds are saying to the Sunnis, ‘come back in and help us run the country.’ They passed a $48 billion budget, where every group in Iraq gets to share the oil resources. There was an amnesty law telling the prisoners in Iraq that we’re going to let some of you go…go back home, stop fighting, help build the new Iraq and most important of all we’re going to have provincial elections in October. The Sunnis boycotted the election in 2005, and everywhere I went in Anbar Province the Sunnis are ready to vote and be part of democracy.
Yup, that looks really rosy, doesn't it? As long as you don't follow the links.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, Lindsey...
At least al-Maliki has cracked down on Trans Fats.
I seem to remember that some share more than others, wasnt it 20% to the international oil companies
Another pasty-faced limp-wristed Repug dweeb cheering on from his arm-chair.
In fairness to Grahm don't jump thr gun and assume anythig here....maybe he was talking about a different surge that the rest of us don't know about
'cause I don't think he means THIS surge does he??
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/21/the-guardian-the-surge-may-be-o...
Don Davis @ 2:
hopefully insulated shower mats and proper ground bonding will be in the next white paper.
StevePam @ 5:
maybe the Craig Foley surge, seems popular in DC with Republicans.
I saw an interview with Michael Ware from CNN International on Real Time which is the best status report on Iraq I've seen in quite some time.
YouTube has the clip here.
Who voted this moron a senator?
I want to pee on Lindsey's leg and tell him it's raining.
Surge to nowhere.
80,000 Angry Men. Is the US Surge collapsing?
Assuming it has worked on all fronts, how large has the improvement been? I don't think it has made things better but even if it has a small amount, is that something to brag about?
Come back in?! Baghdad used to be a mix of Sunni and Shi'a. Now the population is almost all Shi'a. I believe the only reason the violence has gone down enough to say the "surge is working" is because al-Sadr's Shi'a militia has been holding their fire and there are fewer Iraqis left to kill. So many have already been killed or forced to flee. Odd that Graham and the media wouldn't mention this?
Also, we've been buying off Sunni factions. Well, we've been telling them we'd buy them off...except, we forgot to pay them.
Otay @ 4:
Graham, is still closeted. He is never seen out with women.
I have absolutely no problem with his gayness, just that he remains in the closet and votes against Gay-Rights and all the rest of the party hate slogans.
Hypocrisy while your serving is the biggest problem we have.
Funny, but General Petraeus said the Iraqis weren't making sufficient progress. Guess Lindsey/Woolsey knows something he doesn't.
Well, sure, if by "all" he means three of eighteen...
Today in Iraq::
Dozens die in attacks across Iraq
Iraqis mourn lost relatives after a stray rocket struck a residential building in Kamaliya, east Baghdad, on Sunday
Some relatives were mourning those struck by a stray rocket
A string of suicide attacks, shootings and rocket strikes have claimed dozens of lives on a day of violence in Iraq.
In the bloodiest single incident, 13 Iraqi soldiers died when a suicide attacker drove a fuel tanker into an army base in Mosul in northern Iraq.
Meanwhile, the US military said it killed 12 militants in a house east of Baquba, in Diyala province. It said they were preparing suicide attacks.
The bloodshed comes despite an overall reduction in violence since last June.
That was when the US deployed an extra 30,000 troops in violence-hit areas - the so-called "troop surge".
Robert Lockwood Mills @ 15:
dontcha know, politics transcends military.
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 14:
very true
ConcernedCanuck @ 9:
Some members of the SC Republican Party think he isn't conservative enough and are trying to get someone more to their liking to run against him, mainly because of his stand for "amnesty" for immigrants. Amazingly enough they sent emails to Obama supporters in Charleston asking us to support him.
If you think Graham is bad, DeMint, our other senator is comparable in intelligence to Bush.
Robert Lockwood Mills @ 15:
Petraeus didn't get the memo. There's a time lag in Iraq.
Lindsey Graham stood by and mouthed silently the lies McCain tried to slip by the press corp on his recent political ploy, I mean foreign affairs trip. Just watch him on the videos of the trip if you don't belieive it.
They all got caught, and Old Joe's immediate correction, was nothing more than a reaction to the puzzled look on the faces of the international representatives of the press corps present for his "releases." The main streamers with him were probably bobble-heading every comment oblivious to their European peers disbelief that the entourage before them could be the next American Administration!
I keep thinking that at some point people like Lindsey Graham and the rest of the cons will lose all creditability and be marginalized to the point where we don't have to listen to them lie any more. Much like the prior posting about the economy. At some point doesn't the credibility of people that spout the Milton Freedman crap have to go the way of the people that hung on to the world is flat, earth is the center of the universe, witch burning crowd? Just how many times do these people need to lie, or get everything wrong before they stop being ask the questions? Can anyone name one thing that Bill Kristol, Bill O'Reilly, or Dick Chaney have right about concerning Iraq?
900 American soldiers have died since the "surge" began. How can any sane American characterize that much death as "success"?
Lindsey, here's a fucking shovel. Keep digging, jackass.
The more bullshit these guys spew, the less credible their party becomes. In November we can replay these comments ad nauseam.
Over the past two days, the fawning American media has provided rave reviews of John McCain's visit to France. While the New York Times lauded "McCain's soothing tones," Time gushed about "McCain's Paris romance" and the transformation of Franco-American relations made possible by his warm embrace of French President Nicolas Sarkozy. But lost in these accounts is John McCain's vitriolic France-bashing in the run-up to the war in Iraq. Back in 2003, John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with the Paris-hating purveyors of "freedom fries" and "old Europe."
For the details, see:
"Fawning Media Ignores McCain's Past France-Bashing."
"It aint a lie if you tell it enough."
-Wackiavelli
RayC Hussein @ 23:
The crowd they are playing to don't care if they are right or not. All they care about is the meanness quotient and that right or wrong, the fuckers never admit it. I hipe what we are seeing is the last desperate gasp of the "angry white man."
from rawstory
or 'we in ur oilfields potentially borrowing ur oil''
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bush_Al_Qaeda_in_Iraq_stealing_0320.html
Jeebus - I need more coffee...please pardon all those embarrassing typos and grammar offenses.
It's time to administer an IQ test to the entire state of South Carolina, and the entire populations of the congressional districts in Minnesota and Georgia where Michelle Bachman and Jack Kingston were elected. Either the voting machines are skewed there, or the people pushing the buttons incredibly stupid and gullible.
lost_nacf_gop @ 31:
some of us up here in MN dont like bridges or public spending or public education or common sense, so it was prob those ones.
sad that the only Blue State in 1984 elects these retards.
What a pathetic little sissy.
lost_nacf_gop @ 31:
Typical fake christian republican liar.
The truth always has a liberal bias to republicans.
Baghdad's Green Zone hit by barrage of blasts
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...
Sunni militia strike could derail US strategy against al-Qaida
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/21/iraq.alqaida
Things may be about to explode in Bush's face.
On behalf of my fellow citizens in MN-06 who are unable to muster the motor control necessary to type, or the mental capacity to understand thinking at a level higher than "don't kill those babies" and "gummint taking my taxes again", I apologize for our sin of sending Michele Bachmann to Washington. Although apparently she does suck a good face.
Like it or not, it looks like Lindsay Graham's favorite Senator, John McCain, will be the next POTUS.
It seems Dems are on a suicide mission (if the nomination goes to Obama, many Moderates will desert to McCain; if the nomination goes to Hillary, many blacks will stay home).
We're almost there, folks, almost there. Only a few more years of breathless waiting and promises of a bright future!
Only $3 trillion more in expenses, and the occupation will be a success.
The surge was a brilliant distraction.
Hannah Hussein @ 11:
Thanks for the link. If Obama wins, since he talks to us like adults, do you think we might get information like adults? I'm sending this link to everyone I know and encourage them to do the same. We have to stop this insanity.
Wow, he starts out with a shriek about "Iran" (can these liars ONCE try and spin things without bringing up the bogeyman Iran) and immediately goes into the "I support the troops and Petreaus" mode, which is always their shield of "supporting the troops" mantra meant to deflect criticism (i.e., criticize bogus 'progress' = not supporting the troops)
"De-Baathification" and an "Amnesty Law", wow!
And elections coming up? WOW!
Democracy is on the march, and oil revenues are UP!!!!!!
Casualities are DOWN while arms sales are WAY up, BOTH the Sunni and Shia death squads and guerrilla forces enjoy and appreciate their new BFF in Uncle Sugar and his limitless supply of money and guns.
Google "US Iraq dead 1000", then 2000, then 3000. Cut and paste dates. 1 minute
Type, format and calculate: 5 minutes.
Draw obvious conclusions: <1 second
THUS:
US Military Dead in Iraq
Period 1: March 20, 2003----Sept 6, 2004 (approx. 18 months) total: 1,002
Period 2: Sept 7, 2004----Oct 26, 2005 (approx 13 months) total: 2,000
Period 3: Oct 27, 2005----Dec 31 2006 (approx 13 months) total: 3,000
Period 4: Jan 1, 2006---Mar 23, 2007 (approx 15 months) total 3, 995 (official= 3,991)
Average death rate per period (1000 / months ):
Period 1 = 55 per month.
Period 2 = 76 per month
Period 3 = 76 per month
Period 4 = 66 per month
Calendar year average (4000 / 5 years) = 800 per year or 66 per month.
The Period 4 (“Surge”) monthly average death rate was 13% LOWER than Period 2 and Period 3.
The Period 4 monthly average death rate is 20 % HIGHER than Period 1.
The Period 4 monthly average death rate (66) is THE SAME as the 5-year average death rate per calendar-month (66).
And let's not forget that it now costs 40% more per month in 2007/8 than in 2003 to ensure that an average of 66 US soldiers die every month.
By the measure of US forces death rate--which McCain inisted was THE MEASURE of it;s success---te "surge" obviously isn't "working." Then add in all the Iraqi "Government" non-developments and factor-in the change in various militias strategies and it's obvious that the "Surge" has had NO practical effect.
Another way to put it is that the sacrifices of US soldiers after 5 years have produced NO RESULT, and AREN'T GOING TO.
But of course everyone here knows that anyway.
We'll see how well served the Repubs were served in November by their surge of lies and deception, which fools no one except kool aid drinking droids like Graham.
Is there a gay-er senator alive than Lindsay Graham?
He and Larry Craig probably know all the best hangouts in all the best airport restrooms. My God, the man makes my 'gay-dar' practically explode!
Not that being gay is bad but he should come clean before his hypocrisy comes back and bites him where Larry Craig does...
ConcernedCanuck @ 9:
South Carolina. Need I say more?
And it's not the Kool-Aid, it's the inbred stupidity!
42 killed today in Iraq http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080323/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
The surge is working on all fronts!
Re-Baathification is a success because De-Baathification was a success?
Gains in Iraq seem to be tethered to the "surge" of $$$$ the US is handing out
in the tribal areas. As long as we keep the Iraqis on US welfare they will be
compliant and can make political gains. Islamic theocracies with constitutions
that govern by the Koran don't just happen overnight.
'The Surge Has Worked On All Fronts'
It depends on what you mean by the word 'worked'. From the standpoint of increased war profits, it has been a smashing success.
Bush does sound as dumb as a toad, but has he been a failure?
Listen to Michael Parenti.
This is an Imperial war of choice. Not my choice.
Barack Obama's foreign affairs plans, including Iraq: Renewing American Leadership.
The "surge", as deadly as it has proven for those on both sides of the divide in Iraq, is a tedious focus on a broken brick in the wall while ignoring the keystone that must be set.
I am sick and tired of seeing this prissy son of a bitch telling us how necessary it is(to keep us safe) that we send our children to fight and die. How many of his family members are serving in Iraq? Graham certainly loves to dress up and parade around in his flashy uniform. Why is that pudgy little twinkie not fighting in Iraq alongside our troops if it is so damn crucial? We would not want to cut into his egg laying time! Cluck you graham!
Yes the surge is certainly working. And it has produced quite a few troop reductions. Unfortunately 4000 of them were permanent and many thousands more were reduced in functionality. When will it end?
the surge is working
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/CORRECTED_Barrages_hit_Green_Zone_g...
hahahahahhhahaha
can we please bring our brave troops home
graham is an accomplice to murder....he needs to be tried, convicted, waterboarded and hung
I'm sorry, Nicole, but the story you link to on the provincial elections is rather out of date. In fact, the presidency council has now ratified the law setting elections for September as widely reported last week. OK, so elections in Iraq have actually contributed to polarization and sectarianism. But, it is no longer a valid claim that none of the benchmarks for political reconciliation have been met.
This guy has his head up his sphincter about 6 different ways.
Don't you get the impression listening to these guys that they think as long as they can actually know the difference between Shias, Sunnis and Kurds, and can correctly pronounce the names of the Iraqi towns and cities they fly over on their high-security quickie 'fact-finding' trips, they've got it all figured out?
Graham is another confirmed hypocrite-closet case like Larry Craig. He never met a big delusional Republican lie he couldn't stand behind - hell, his own pathetic life is a big Republican lie.
I GOT YOUR SURGE RIGHT HERE!!!!
lost_nacf_gop @ 31:
We took it in 1860 and failed. "South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large to be an insane asylum"--James Pettigru, South Carolina's only known rational statesman. Events proved the truth of the first possibility. Sadly, judging from the comments of Lindsey Graham and numerous other South Carolinians, Mr. Pettigru appears to have been in error on the second option.
Ruthless "Don't Call Me at 3:00 AM" People @ 45:
How could South Carolina produce this foolish, foolish man and his antithesis, Stephen Colbert? If Graham actually believes the nonsense he's selling, he's very stupid. If he knows better, but is saying it anyway, he's a liar. Of course, it's possible that he's both.
Is there any use in saying be careful what you wish for? According to those DFHs in the CIA, fair elections in the provinces will see the ISCI booted out by Sadrists in Baghdad and much of the South and by Sunni nationalists north of Baghdad. The ISCI cannot be trusted by the US, but they are at least the only strong Arab group that has played along with us.
This fall our old problem with Madhi or Sunni insurgent infiltrated police or governments in a half dozen provinces should disappear. Being replaced by that of police forces and local governments that are openly hostile. Put a happy face on that, John.
Do you think he will be traveling to Iraq to do some rug shopping again?
Yes, Senator Graham, the Surge has worked wonders in Oz and Never Never land.
Can someone explain to me how it is we have spent trillion plus us dollars ...devalued our wealth, spent our treasury, given 4,000 lives, injured another 40,000 and mission accomplished, surged worked....and the Iraqis are selling 100k barrels a day to a country the three McCain Sisters...that's john, joe and lindsey...want us to now bomb..Iran? We are paying 3 bucks a gallon and the Iraqis ...a country we are occupying..is sending 100k barrels a day to Iran?
Iraq's Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani earlier said the crude pipeline would pump some 100,000 barrels a day of Basra Light to Iran, Dow Jones Newswires reported. Basra crude would be sold to Iran in accordance with international oil prices.
I WOULD LIKE FOR HILLARY, AND JOHN ALONG WITH BARACK TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS TO THE VOTERS OF THIS COUNTRY AND ADVISE US HOW THEY PLAN TO ADDRESS THIS? WILL WE BE GETTING THE CASH FROM IRAN DIRECTLY IN TO TREASURY? OR MAYBE WE SHOULD LOAD THE 100K BARRELS ON A SHIP HEADED FOR THE REFINERIES IN HOUSTON OR NEW JERSEY...FREE.
Victory is always "right around the corner" for Republicans whenever an election where their warmongering hides are on the line is also "right around the corner".
If they can convince 51% of the American electorate that changing political horses or tactics in midstream on the war while "victory is right around the corner", the GOP will take the White House against all evidence, logic and justice this time the same way they did in 2004.
Ted @ 38:
Ted the CONCERN TROLL is back again. This clown tries to divert every thread with his "doom and gloom" take on the Democrats' chances in the fall. He is best ignored as the Republic troll he is.
larry @ 63:
'larry'
Doesn't that al-Sadr guy control the Basra area. Doesn't the Basra area border Iran. Al-Sadr is the one that is buddy buddy with the Iranian President Ahmadinejad. It sounds to me like those two have brokered a business deal if the Dow Jones Newswire report is true.
Lets say you were in al-Sadr's shoes would you do someting like that. I know I would and I would use Euro's for payment.
It sounds like the 'Surge' is working . Oil is surging down a pipeline into Iran.
I think your question should be addressed to Bush, Cheney, Condi,etc.
The White House has no clue what is actually happening in the Middle-East.
Poor Lindsey. She is lying her ass off!
Chip Reid is the worst moderator Face The Nation has. Reid asked Senator Graham a simple question, and Graham ducked it and went straight into the rehearsed talking points monologue.
REID- Senator graham, is the war dragging our economy down?
Graham- The war is a sacrifice this country is making to make us all safer. It has been mismanaged. But let me tell you the cost of losing. If Al Qaeda would claim victory in Iraq, then the price to be paid by this country is enormous. What would we all give to go back in time after the Soviets left Afghanistan and suppress the Taliban? Well, we've got a chance in Iraq to change the fortunes of the mideast and make us all more safe. The good news for me out of all this surge activity is that the Muslims in Iraq have actually listened to Al Qaeda, have actually experienced their agenda... blah, blah, blah..."
NO FOLLOW UP FROM REID WHATSOEVER. No repeating the question, no steering Graham back to the subject of the economy, just silence so Graham could get his talking points out. Then Reid asks Graham if he thinks McCain might chose him as a running-mate. If this isn't pandering to the GOP, I don't know what is.
Bob Schieffer would never have let that happen.
The provincial election bill was one of the 18 benchmarks the U.S. govt. gave to the Iraqis. It was rejected.
Can anyone tell me how the Iraqis are doing on the other benchmarks?
Thanks in advance.
Can't someone just "out" this guy and be done with him.
It would appear someone else is having a surge of their own http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080323/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
and so it goes
Someone should Ask Senator Grahm who de ba'athefied the Iraqi government in the first place.
Someone should Ask Senator Grahm who de ba'athefied the Iraqi government in the first place.
Lindsey "Marshmellow fields and candy canes" Graham didn't explain why it is needed to over extend the surge troops and not send them home ?
That he seems to disagree with Gen Petreaus. Isn't Lindsey listening to the Generals on the ground like the President does? And when the President hears a General on the ground say something that isn't in line with the president's own words and policy. We see those Generals get fired. Only they call it "retiring".
You know, like Rove leaving the Bush Adm to spend more time with his family......
Duke Cunningham left to spend more time with his family too. His crime family that is !
Someone needs to put Sen Graham on opposite Sen Hagel........................
Hagel was just on with George Stephenopolis(sp?) and it would be "controversial" just how the media likes it. My money would be on Senator Hagel................................6 to 1 odds.
Of Course, you can't believe a word the Repiglican Warmongers are saying about anything in Iraq, coming as it does from the mouths of their hand-picked generals and talking heads...HOWEVER...if we let them have their say, and they bray about how great things are there now, they will have NO EXCUSE to keep our troops there a moment longer!
I also wonder at times why the Iraqi factions that want us out of their country so badly haven't got the patience to simply lie low for a few months until things look peaceful and we leave instead of constantly reinforcing the Repiglican Warmongers' stance with bombings and attacks. Are they that dumb, or am I missing something?
osage @ 24:
As the Bushies like to say "they're just little people". It's not like they are corporate CEO's or "major" Wall Street investors.
"No WMD under here, hehehehahaha".
"Barbecue anyone?" Hehehehahaha.....
Ted @ 38:
And when the full effects of the depression hit this summer (including hyper-inflation), 75% of the american people will associate the republican party with economic misery - for the next 60 years! Which is how long it will be before the GOPer's recover from the Bush/Cheney middle-class reign of terror.
What is it about America that it allows phuckers like Graham to be on TV lying about how great the war is and how torture is a wonderful thing. sometimes I think America deserves its bushes, mccains, clintons, delays and the like.
Could somebody stuff Grahams butt plug in his mouth?
Actually, Graham is correct.
You just have to use the No Child Left Behind scale of success. Then the surge rates a solid C-.
ConcernedCanuck @ 9:
The good people of South Carolina. If you Google "Lindsay Graham homosexual" you will access a newspaper interview in which the bachelor was asked why he never married. His answer was less than satisfactory. He has a sizeable contingent of detractors who hope to get him ousted next time around. Have you noticed that little circle of brown fecal matter at the end of his nose since he started following McPain around? Best case scenario: he is chosen as the Veep running mate and someone comes forward -- Larry Flynt, are you listening? -- with an expose of "Linsie Glam's" sexual proclivities.
I notice that good old lindsay is now sucking mccain's dick, as well as that of georgie bush (a two-fer there with georgie's, and with dick cheney's too).
Why on earth do we let these flaming hypocrites get away with what they do and say? Allowing lindsay to have his voice heard so often, and on issues of import, only indicates that this country is in pretty bad shape.
Graham also talks about the war as 4 years of mismanagement without mentioning that he is one of the most ardent of Bush's rubber stamps, but the way he describes the conditions in Iraq makes it sound like a better place than here. I must go get me a passport and an Iraq visa.
Archae @ 1:
Unfortunately, the only antidote to reichwing Kool-Aid is an informed citizenry.
Where's that going to come from? Neighborhood computer nerds?
Yup.
Otay @ 80:
only if you'll gimme a hazmat suit and a 10 meter long set of tongs. I don't wanna catch whatever he's got.
Real Times' Bill Maher On "Warrior" John McCain
3 min - Mar 23, 2008
Bill takes on John mccain in this week's "New Rules."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-YbyhCTy9M
I know this is not PC or neccessarlily progressive but damn I would love to knock this pathetic little rat on his can , just once !
Grahm is either stupid or just another outright republican newt liar no two ways about it!
Senator Lindsay Graham part of the radical team marching our nation towards a confrontation towards Iran.
The "cakewalk in Iraq" zealots are turning up their inflammatory rhetoric about Iran. Although they have really never stopped during the last four years.
Senator Lindsay Graham seems to have joined the "cakewalk in Iraq" zealots team.
Go check out what Senator Lindsey Graham had to say about Iran this past Sunday on Face the Nation ” We need to let the Iranians know that you are not going to be the “cancer of the middle east without consequences”. You are not going to destroy Israel by supporting Hamas. You are not going to destroy Lebanon (Israel will take care of destroying Lebanon) by supporting Hezbollah. You are not going to destroy our will in Iraq. And you do this at your own peril”
These are fighting words. Senator Graham, Senator Lieberman and Senator Mc Cain are kicking up the inflammatory rhetoric in regard to Iran. This adds to the inflammatory rhetoric based on unsubstantiated claims that Bill Kristol, Cheney, John Bolton, and many others have been repeating during the last four years.
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/ftn/main3460.shtml
WHAT SURGE?! The republicans want all Americans to believe it was their idea for a surge.
56,000 died in Vietnam, do you knoiw how many committed sucide since that war ended. Well over number KIA. Anyhow there is a correlation. Bush, Cheny and crew are sick satist just like Johnson and Nixon. They like Death. They worship moleck. Order of Death. Just like Hitler, We need to spread the word folks.
Stupid Question: If having the middle name Hussein makes republicans think that Obama is a muslim terrorist do they also believe that Graham is a transvestite??
Ga-ham, Lie-ber man and don mc snot Three little war pigs! Boy these guys are some real bad ass guys, hiding behind mommys skirts while sending our children to die. If these chicken shits are so committed to protecting our country and freedoms where are their family members? Young kids sent to fight the wars of old men who are are to big of cowards to fight themselves. Getting caught and put into pow camp is no upgrade to "hero"! It is the duty of citizens who happen to see these neo-criminals in public to leap on them and beat them untill pulled off, even at the risk of jail! Now thats an american hero!
Lindsey, Lindsey, Lindsey - the triage that is you, McCain and Lieberdumb is just too weird for words. I feel like I'm constantly watching an episode of SNL with the 3 of you.
I think there has been a slight improvement since the surge, but hardly "great success".
93 Death Star
That's Moloch, the Tyranian God.
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