FRIST!

Jumped over to the TV News Lies website. I didn't spend much time there, but some of the economic and political stuff looks good. However, there is a 9/11 truther-friendly link, which is unfortunate.

The last thing we need is to get bogged down with the conspiracy theory set.

shilllary's "no one gets out of this room alive" strategy is pretty disgusting.

Maybe we should refer to it as the ANALS of Journalism instead of Annals.

On those Democratic primary campaign supporters who won’t vote in the general election or will vote for McCain if their preferred candidate does not win the nomination.

Whatever happens with the superdelegates, the Democratic party MUST hold as many of its potential supporters together in the end as possible. Perhaps this extremely painful and conflicted campaign must go on until the two candidates’ camps believe they’ve done all they could for their candidates, and then accept the outcome. As much as I HATE the idea of an even longer campaign season and believe strongly that it should be settled, like tomorrow, the party has a larger concern, and that’s whether the campaign winner in the end has been decided fairly. That’s the only way many of the Clinton camp would vote for Obama if he’s the candidate and the only way many of the Obama camp would vote for Clinton if she’s the candidate, fairness plus a period of time for everybody to settle down. regroup, and begin to deal with the reality of the campaign for the GE. An awful lot depends on the loser's character and what that person contributes to the rest of the campaign.

Let me repeat, the win/loss must appear to be have been fairly decided to reasonable people. Those who don’t think the nomination of the Democratic presidential candidate has been fair will go in many directions, Green, stay-home, write-in, McCain, whatever.

As for the effects of a scorched-earth campaigning style, one’s response to that is more visceral rather than reasoned. Some will think it’s quite all right, citing other campaigns where it’s worked to help a candidate win. Some will despise it and never support a candidate who conducts such a campaign, calling it Rovian.

I absolutely agree that the two Democratic candidates may be close on the issues, but they seem universes separated in their character and their understanding of what it takes to accomplish their goals and objectives. Simply, it shows up in their campaign styles.

That’s just the way things are this time around.

Anney, I agree and think the loser has completely trashed her character.

ferrofluid @ 8:

Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 2:

On those Democratic primary campaign supporters who won’t vote in the general election or will vote for McCain if their preferred candidate does not win the nomination.

I hate Hillary, I used to support her and defend her to knuckle-headed people who would say "I don't like her!" I would ask why and they couldn't give any real answer. I can say I hate her because of the way she is running her campaign, I have serious problems with her voting record (anyone who says is identical to Obama's doesn't know her voting record).

That being said I will vote for her if she becomes the parties nominee. Anything would be better then 4 more years of Republican war crimes. And McSame isn't looking to capitalize on the Bush war crimes, he wants to go to Iran and get himself his own set of war crimes!

So YES I will vote for the Democratic candidate...shit if they ran the Donkey I would vote for him. So anyone who can't get-over-themselves enough to do the right thing...it will be on your heads if we get 4 more years of Republican war criminals in the White House.

And anyone who would switch over from the party of reason and logic to the party of murder and greed: You should be ashamed of yourselves for even thinking like that! Have you learned nothing from eight years Bushco?

hate is a heavy word, but yes HRC is not the best candidate and she shouldntn get the nomination, but if she does then she is the DEM 'one'
Obama supporters will vote for her, likewise Clinton supporters should vote for Obama, for unity and a bright Democratic future.

The only thing the Dems have going for them, is whoever is the eventual candidate, they are WORLD'S ahead of the Republican chosen one both in intelligence, and in class. That being said, if the Repubs had a real candidate of substance and HRC was the candidate, she would be trounced in the GE. Not just because of who she is, just because whether they admit it on a blog or not, people cannot stand her. She's like a crabby mother in law from hell. Maybe she isn't, but she gives off that vibe all the time.
Who knows, if the media gets it's way, McCain will be the prez.

Keep in mind the Cons have worked thirty years since Bud Nixon went down in disgrace to hijack Democracy in 2000.

Thats right.

ConcernedCanuck @ 11:

Who knows, if the media gets it's way, McCain will be the prez.

that would be a grim day, surely even the dense ones in the MSM gets this.
A percentage of the MSM are outright Repugs, but the others should know in their hearts that four more years will be very bad.
Do they think they can get on a plane and avoid what will come to pass if McCain wins!

L.A. Confidential @ 14:

ConcernedCanuck @ 12:

News Hounds watches FOX so you don’t have to

That site is terrible. They've went from an actual decent website that presents Faux Snooze's propoganda, to a nice little bootcamp of a collective where opposing opinions are not tolerated, and those with a diff opinion are trolls that are jumped on by the wolfpack. They've become what they are reporting.

Thats what always happens. You become what your fighting against if your not impeccable. Personalities and egos start taking over and thats the end of it.

They have a monitor system where you can see how many are online. Not sure if it's done on purpose or not, but when their own monitor says there are only 2 people online, and yet 16 different names are posting agreeing arguments, it takes away any credibility you may have had. The site has site monitors like C&L, but rather than do the job properly, like here, they delete opposing opinions. It is like one big circle jerk with high-fives all around. Personally, I think it is because they are financially tapped out, and they have no viewers any longer.

ferrofluid @ 15:

ConcernedCanuck @ 11:

Who knows, if the media gets it's way, McCain will be the prez.

that would be a grim day, surely even the dense ones in the MSM gets this.
A percentage of the MSM are outright Repugs, but the others should know in their hearts that four more years will be very bad.
Do they think they can get on a plane and avoid what will come to pass if McCain wins!

The big money grab in the last 30 years is all these people think about. They don't really care how screwed up anything gets, as long as they get rich, rich, rich. And the best way for that to be possible, is more of the same old.
IF a Dem wins the election and actually does deal with this mess, the media will basically railroad them right out of office.

ConcernedCanuck @ 17:

They have a monitor system where you can see how many are online. Not sure if it's done on purpose or not, but when their own monitor says there are only 2 people online, and yet 16 different names are posting agreeing arguments, it takes away any credibility you may have had. The site has site monitors like C&L, but rather than do the job properly, like here, they delete opposing opinions. It is like one big circle jerk with high-fives all around. Personally, I think it is because they are financially tapped out, and they have no viewers any longer.

I have a suspicion that on certain forum sites theres along with the moderator system, also some automatic TLA monitoring of new comments.
I am a 3-4 hour a night person and manic poster on certain sites, tech and hobby forums that interest me, plus some political sites.
And you can post on some websites 4am in the morning and get 3 or 6 reads on your posts like clockwork,
this smells to me like automatic something, not just moderation software.

ferrofluid @ 21:

ConcernedCanuck @ 17:

They have a monitor system where you can see how many are online. Not sure if it's done on purpose or not, but when their own monitor says there are only 2 people online, and yet 16 different names are posting agreeing arguments, it takes away any credibility you may have had. The site has site monitors like C&L, but rather than do the job properly, like here, they delete opposing opinions. It is like one big circle jerk with high-fives all around. Personally, I think it is because they are financially tapped out, and they have no viewers any longer.

I have a suspicion that on certain forum sites theres along with the moderator system, also some automatic TLA monitoring of new comments.
I am a 3-4 hour a night person and manic poster on certain sites, tech and hobby forums that interest me, plus some political sites.
And you can post on some websites 4am in the morning and get 3 or 6 reads on your posts like clockwork,
this smells to me like automatic something, not just moderation software.

I never thought of that. D'oh! That makes sense. I enjoy political sites even just to read the difference in opinions amongst party supporters. It's interesting. This is where C&L is my fav. An overwhelming majority here could care less if you live in their nation and accept praise and criticism.
After 911, wingnuts reined supreme on the internet and being anti-American was the normal rebuttal to anything anyone posted. I despise that scapegoat of an excuse. If my government (who is supposed to represent me) does something that someone points out, I am grateful. It opens my eyes.

ConcernedCanuck @ 23:

ferrofluid @ 21:

ConcernedCanuck @ 17:

They have a monitor system where you can see how many are online. Not sure if it's done on purpose or not, but when their own monitor says there are only 2 people online, and yet 16 different names are posting agreeing arguments, it takes away any credibility you may have had. The site has site monitors like C&L, but rather than do the job properly, like here, they delete opposing opinions. It is like one big circle jerk with high-fives all around. Personally, I think it is because they are financially tapped out, and they have no viewers any longer.

I have a suspicion that on certain forum sites theres along with the moderator system, also some automatic TLA monitoring of new comments.
I am a 3-4 hour a night person and manic poster on certain sites, tech and hobby forums that interest me, plus some political sites.
And you can post on some websites 4am in the morning and get 3 or 6 reads on your posts like clockwork,
this smells to me like automatic something, not just moderation software.

I never thought of that. D'oh! That makes sense. I enjoy political sites even just to read the difference in opinions amongst party supporters. It's interesting. This is where C&L is my fav. An overwhelming majority here could care less if you live in their nation and accept praise and criticism.
After 911, wingnuts reined supreme on the internet and being anti-American was the normal rebuttal to anything anyone posted. I despise that scapegoat of an excuse. If my government (who is supposed to represent me) does something that someone points out, I am grateful. It opens my eyes.

along with the "if you dont like it here, leave the country"
which is one or two steps away from internment camps and two or three steps away from death camps.
Those people raged and freaked and did the 'heretic' thing against average normal law abiding citizens who dared to ask why laws were being broken.
A sad state of affairs for a democracy and we all know whose offices it was directed from.

Ellen of News Hounds @ 24:

I see that some of our readers who could not behave well enough to post like grownups on our blog are here. The truth is, all comments are welcome on our blog so long as they are civil and on topic. Those who have been banned were unable to comply with those simple rules and have only themselves to blame.

Yes ma'am, sorry ma'am, we wont do it again ma'am.

Vote4Experience @ 28:

As a lifelong Democrat, I WILL vote for a Republican for the very first time in my life, if Obama is our candidate. His complete lack of experience & hypocrasy requires me to vote responsibly, and voting for Obama simply because he is a Democrat or a black man is just as stupid as not voting.

That crap about McCain being Bush's 3rd term is BS. Other than Hillary, he is the next best person with the experience & qualifications necessary to help clean-up Bush's mess.

MOP IN AISLE 28!

little bear @ 29:

Vote4Experience @ 28:

As a lifelong Democrat, I WILL vote for a Republican for the very first time in my life, if Obama is our candidate. His complete lack of experience & hypocrasy requires me to vote responsibly, and voting for Obama simply because he is a Democrat or a black man is just as stupid as not voting.

That crap about McCain being Bush's 3rd term is BS. Other than Hillary, he is the next best person with the experience & qualifications necessary to help clean-up Bush's mess.

MOP IN AISLE 28!

agreed, where do they find them from, and how much medication does it take.
need a floor cleaner more than a mere mop, going by its comment.

"Every journalist in the country should watch Buying the War, especially those at the NYT..." is spot on! For me, it was a turning point. I had pretty much given up hope for America. We can withstand corruption from the executive and legislative branches. We can even recover from a judiciary which has abandoned its primary role in protecting the constitution, but only if the fourth estate is doing their job.

I am not sure when it happened, but one day the news just dried up. Important stories were relegated to the backpages and given single column coverage, or they were ignored completely. Other stories were missing key facts or just completed misreported. And, it was not just from sources who's reliability was normally of dubious integrity. The Washington Post and NYT had lost a great deal of credibility as well. Then in April 2007, Buying The War came out. It was the first piece of hard, honest investigative journalism I had seen in a long time. What is more, it focused on the subversion of the fourth estate. I watched it several times over the following few months.

I began to research and read bios of the journalists who were interviewed during the documentary. It was a very impressive group and I began to realize that there were still authors and journalists doing good reporting. Most just were not part of the MSM (exceptions, of course). It was through my research that I re-discovered the blogosphere. I had been reading the blogs a few years earlier and did not get a great deal from it. But, I was surprised (and very excited) to see how the medium had grown and improved. I am late coming to the party, so the blogosphere's evolution may be more pronounced to me, than those of you who have involved for many years.

Buying The War did not just impact me. I used it to get others interested as well. Now, there is a sizable group of friends, family and co-workers who are also involved in the progressive political movement. Many of us meet regularly and decide where we are going to make our contribution (we do a monthly tithe). Right now we are supporting the 'blue' candidate's fund raising efforts. Hmm, it is rather like democracy in action.

Mickey Finn @ 34:

ConcernedCanuck @ 12:

News Hounds watches FOX so you don’t have to

That site is terrible. They've went from an actual decent website that presents Faux Snooze's propoganda, to a nice little bootcamp of a collective where opposing opinions are not tolerated, and those with a diff opinion are trolls that are jumped on by the wolfpack. They've become what they are reporting.

I wouldn't know about that. I merely recommended reading it. Sorry they were mean.

They aren't mean Mike. They are fanatical. As someone already said in this thread, they have become what they despise, to the point of scouring through Faux Snooze and pointing out the most idiotic things imagineable. It's their right and their site, but I was under the impression from the asking for donations, that sites like NH wanted feedback. It's even set up that it wants feedback. But they don't. They want people to agree with them on everything. I'm sure even here John's staff doesn't agree on everything.

ferrofluid @ 31:

little bear @ 29:

Vote4Experience @ 28:

As a lifelong Democrat, I WILL vote for a Republican for the very first time in my life, if Obama is our candidate. His complete lack of experience & hypocrasy requires me to vote responsibly, and voting for Obama simply because he is a Democrat or a black man is just as stupid as not voting.

That crap about McCain being Bush's 3rd term is BS. Other than Hillary, he is the next best person with the experience & qualifications necessary to help clean-up Bush's mess.

MOP IN AISLE 28!

agreed, where do they find them from, and how much medication does it take.
need a floor cleaner more than a mere mop, going by its comment.

Don't dismiss Vote4Experience's comment so readily. HRC's supporters tend to be centrists and they don't dislike McCain. Remember, he was almost Kerry's running mate in 2004.

What's interesting is why they hate Obama so much. I'm sure it didn't start out that way, like Clinton's detractors. But whether it's the belief that the media gave him an unfair advantage, or some perceived bashing by his supporters, it's clear many core Dems will never vote for him.