Neo-cons will never feel a ounce of regret or shed a tear for the destruction they have caused. They have no capacity for humanity and compassion. We have been shown this time and again. That is why I fear a McCain presidency. His lust to go to war with Iran should disturb everyone.
The last cell of that cartoon may be true. I counted six times bush mentioned Iran in his speech this morning. Plus I might have missed some due to my cursing at the insane stuff he was saying.
He talks about the Iraqi people as though they were some cave clan when he found them and now they are having to learn about civilization from scratch. Jeez, there were a lot of well educated people in Iraq, sadly an awful lot of them have had to leave during this damned invasion....that is if they haven't been killed.
Construction of the U.S. embassy in Iraq, set to open in September, is projected to cost $592 million, with a staff of 1,000 people and operating costs totaling $1.2 billion a year. It will be a 104-acre complex, which is the size of approximately 80 football fields. On May 10, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) criticized the ballooning size and cost of the embassy in a hearing with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice:
Now, having said over and over again that we don’t want to be seen as an occupying force in Iraq, we’re building the largest embassy that we have — probably the largest in the world — in Baghdad. And it just seems to grow and grow and grow. … We agree that we should focus our aid locally not in Baghdad, but we have 1,000 Americans at the embassy in Baghdad. You add the contractors and the local staff it comes to 4,000.
The architectural firm designing the embassy, Berger Define Yaeger, has posted the designs for the colossus on its website. Some previews of the compound’s planned swimming pool and tennis courts:
bdyembassy2.gif
Neo-cons will never feel a ounce of regret or shed a tear for the destruction they have caused. They have no capacity for humanity and compassion. We have been shown this time and again. That is why I fear a McCain presidency. His lust to go to war with Iran should disturb everyone.
The Bushies are already waging war on Iran, from the military build-up in the Gulf to the quiet use of the Patriot Act in an economic Shock & Awe.
Sad thing is, I'll bet most Americans didn't even watch Bush's speech. They just stick their collective heads in the sand saying to themselves,"Were America and were fine." Self dillusion is a wonderful thing.
Sad thing is, I'll bet most Americans didn't even watch Bush's speech. They just stick their collective heads in the sand saying to themselves,"Were America and were fine." Self dillusion is a wonderful thing.
I didn't watch it, because he makes me sick and I end up throwing things at the TV.
Your right Leslie. I was all I could do not to hurl. Bush anymore looks like he has gone off the deep end. His dancing on the White House steps is burned in my memory.
Sad thing is, I'll bet most Americans didn't even watch Bush's speech. They just stick their collective heads in the sand saying to themselves,"Were America and were fine." Self dillusion is a wonderful thing.
When did they stop showing presidential speeches like this in the evening and on all the networks? Working people could see them then and make decisions for themselves rather than wait for some reporter to tell them what was said or show snippets of the speech.
Sad thing is, I'll bet most Americans didn't even watch Bush's speech. They just stick their collective heads in the sand saying to themselves,"Were America and were fine." Self dillusion is a wonderful thing.
I didn't watch it, because he makes me sick and I end up throwing things at the TV.
I didn't watch his speech because he has been giving the same speech over and over for about 3 years now. Was there something significantly different with this one?
Sad thing is, I'll bet most Americans didn't even watch Bush's speech. They just stick their collective heads in the sand saying to themselves,"Were America and were fine." Self dillusion is a wonderful thing.
I didn't watch it, because he makes me sick and I end up throwing things at the TV.
I didn't watch his speech because he has been giving the same speech over and over for about 3 years now. Was there something significantly different with this one?
He sounded so determined to get his points across that at times he almost yelled. He was like a really angry father trying to keep from swatting his kid. It was strange and looked like he was trying out for a part in a play that called for a character that was so angry he was about to lose control.
Now that 4,000 is the official number, that's the number of people who have died in the field, not the number of all the people who have died of their wounds a short while later in a hospital or of suicide or of conditions arising soon after returning.
Just as the surge has reduced the numbers of Iraqi's killed by not counting the close-contact shootings or bombings or anything other than shots from a distance and comparing that number to the pre-surge numbers including those "other killings".
Is there any hope of an honest fact coming out of these people, or is everything sacrificed for the sake of the "victory" to come?
Can't wait for the mortar rounds to land in the swimming pool and on the tennis courts.
Construction of the U.S. embassy in Iraq, set to open in September, is projected to cost $592 million, with a staff of 1,000 people and operating costs totaling $1.2 billion a year. It will be a 104-acre complex, which is the size of approximately 80 football fields. On May 10, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) criticized the ballooning size and cost of the embassy in a hearing with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice:
Now, having said over and over again that we don’t want to be seen as an occupying force in Iraq, we’re building the largest embassy that we have — probably the largest in the world — in Baghdad. And it just seems to grow and grow and grow. … We agree that we should focus our aid locally not in Baghdad, but we have 1,000 Americans at the embassy in Baghdad. You add the contractors and the local staff it comes to 4,000.
The architectural firm designing the embassy, Berger Define Yaeger, has posted the designs for the colossus on its website. Some previews of the compound’s planned swimming pool and tennis courts:
bdyembassy2.gif
Patricia you are right. MSM really let Americans down, but what to you expect from greedy corporation? I wish Americans would get information from other sources. Thats what I did in 2004. And I never looked back.
Norah O'Donald on MSNBC said a while ago, Senator Obama just cannot get away from this Rev Wright story. Then she proceeded to talk about it for about five minutes.
The reason he can't get away from the story is because talking heads like Norah keep bringing it up just about every hour of the day.
Meanwhile I haven't heard anything about bush's speech from her. I'm not saying she hasn't mentioned it, I just know I haven't heard it.
Tar and feathering sounds interesting. But lets try this idea. The neo-cons can be tried in a court in Iraq! After all, it is such a Democratic success! I mean we gave them Democracy. Maybe they should see the fruits of their labors.
It was particularly touching in the PBS Frontline 'Bush's War' that the Bush Republicans sent US troops and national Guard into a country (Iraq) where the locals pay each other to take video's of Americans they shoot or dismember in huge explosions. The one troop who was shot through the head by insurgents, and video taped, and who dropped on his back like a brick in Part One was a particularly pathetic display of the end result of this unnecessary war.
Good god, who the fuck cares (outside of your country) about your dead occupational soldiers. Why don't you assholes ever talk about the death you've brought to the Iraqi people. I would suggest that they outnumber the poor souls you've sent there.
I am impressed, as an observer beyond your northern border, at the frank self-assessments many Americans are doing. For years we have been rolling our eyes at the "God Bless America" attitude well before 9/11, an attitude that stretches back to Manifest Destiny and all that. Since 9/11 and since Iraq, the neo-con intellectuals and the pick-up truck driving Bubbas have gone wild with this American chauvinism. You saved the world in WWII. You MUST be one of history's good guys, right?
There are more and more of you who might be sensing something more profound here though. Is it possible that the in the long view of history, the US will be seen as a villain? Not a Nazi villain. Not a Stalin villain. But perhaps a Napoleanic France villain, or a Roman Empire villain. Both of those empires had their good points, but both were repressive, both subjugated people in far off lands, and both used violence to further their own ends. Look at you. You are occupiers in Iraq. You are installing the infrastructure to steal their wealth.
It's treasonous to some in your country to even entertain the notion. The US has a great history of spreading peace and freedom and democracy. True of course. But not just Iraq, there are many other incidents, mostly forgotten in the US memory, where the "ideals' of the US came second to political or commercial interests. Check out the history of Latin American countries and you will see that US involvement has been violent, manipulative and self-serving. Iraq fits into that pattern rather than being an aberration.
But let's assume it's not the US that writes the long view of history. Which US will that history remember? The 'good' US of WWII and the Marshall Plan, or the 'bad' US of the Iraqi occupation, international meddling, George Bush, and whatever comes next?
Apologies for unintentionally modifying (at 18) your comment. Meant to add in response:
Can't wait for the mortar rounds to land in the swimming pool and on the tennis courts.
Found your comment. Good one. So fucking absurd that the largest U.S. embassy (any embassy) going up while the blood bath continues in Iraq.
Juan Gonzales interviews British correspondent Patrick Cockburn about what is taking place in Iraq. When Juan ask Patrick reports keep telling us that the situation in Iraq is getting better. Cockburn responds 'well I guess it is if you consider that the Iraqi casualties have gone from 3000 a month to 1600 a month". "So it has gone from a 100% bloodbath to a 50% bloodbath. It is still a bloodbath"
Jeezus, these adds between blog posts are FUCKING ANNOYING. The gutters on the side are a much more appropriate for this blatant capitalism. I don't mind that you're making money with these things, just please consider the aesthetics while doing so. So typically American.
As far as the Tom Tomorrow strip goes...it's funny because it's true.
Good god, who the fuck cares (outside of your country) about your dead occupational soldiers. Why don't you assholes ever talk about the death you've brought to the Iraqi people. I would suggest that they outnumber the poor souls you've sent there.
Shame on you!
You must not visit this site too often. We do indeed talk about the heartache and misery and death this invasion of Iraq has caused the Iraqi people. No one here has missed that point and most of us wish to hell this whole nightmare had never been allowed to happen.
Drifter and Northern Trombonist,
We talk about both the needless death of both US troops and Iraqis, and US imperialism. We've been talking about it for years now. Just read the threads on this blog and many others, such as: Think Progress, Juan Cole, Buzzflash, Common Dreams.
I am impressed, as an observer beyond your northern border, at the frank self-assessments many Americans are doing. For years we have been rolling our eyes at the "God Bless America" attitude well before 9/11, an attitude that stretches back to Manifest Destiny and all that. Since 9/11 and since Iraq, the neo-con intellectuals and the pick-up truck driving Bubbas have gone wild with this American chauvinism. You saved the world in WWII. You MUST be one of history's good guys, right?
There are more and more of you who might be sensing something more profound here though. Is it possible that the in the long view of history, the US will be seen as a villain? Not a Nazi villain. Not a Stalin villain. But perhaps a Napoleanic France villain, or a Roman Empire villain. Both of those empires had their good points, but both were repressive, both subjugated people in far off lands, and both used violence to further their own ends. Look at you. You are occupiers in Iraq. You are installing the infrastructure to steal their wealth.
It's treasonous to some in your country to even entertain the notion. The US has a great history of spreading peace and freedom and democracy. True of course. But not just Iraq, there are many other incidents, mostly forgotten in the US memory, where the "ideals' of the US came second to political or commercial interests. Check out the history of Latin American countries and you will see that US involvement has been violent, manipulative and self-serving. Iraq fits into that pattern rather than being an aberration.
But let's assume it's not the US that writes the long view of history. Which US will that history remember? The 'good' US of WWII and the Marshall Plan, or the 'bad' US of the Iraqi occupation, international meddling, George Bush, and whatever comes next?
More and more americans are as sick of this administration as the rest of the world. We want these thugs tried for war crimes at the very least.
Judy "I regret that I no longer have the ability to spread lies about Iraq in the New York Times. Damn it Iran was next. But plenty of folks to spread those lies"
"I regret that I was unable to wipe out the 10 top floors of the UN" But what the hell I'm still walking the streets and have not been held accountable for any of the crimes that I have committed. Hell I even got to spend 45 minutes on Neil Conan's Talk of the Nation and was able to repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran and Neil did not question me once." No regrets there
I visit this site daily. Along with Think Progress Leslie, and Juan Cole, though I admit to never having been to Buzzflash or Common Dreams. Didn't see the post of the amount of death visited upon the Iraqi people however, but we get a running count every time one of your boys dies. Tell you the truth, I think that disproportionately, the Iraqi's are on the losing side. There are not, in my opinion, enough dead Americans there. Maybe more, and you people, the so called left might rise up and bring to your country what it really needs. Revolution. And maybe, just maybe, you'd government may try and cut its losses and fuck off! You know? Weathermen anyone. Jesus Christ, John Kerry? This generation of Americans have not the courage of their expressed convictions.
Now I'm sure I'll have your secret police surveilling me in my home here in France, but some things need to be said!
The last cell of that cartoon may be true. I counted six times bush mentioned Iran in his speech this morning.
Click the link, you only read half.
The neo-cons started repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran immediately after the invasion of Iraq. Reuel Marc Gerecht, Micheal Ledeen, James Woolsey, John Bolton, Cheney, Bill Kristol, John McCain have all been singing "bomb Bomb Bomb" Iran for quite some time now. They still have 9 months. The inflammatory rhetoric has not ceased.
hell even Hillary Clinton voted for the Kyl Lieberman amendment last fall. She seems to be on the bomb Iran train
All that, and Pelosi kept impeachment "off the table". This administration is completely criminal, and nothing is being done about it. They only hope I have for any accountability is that *maybe* Waxman and Conyers are holding this off intentionally until closer to the end of the term, so that Bush's pardons can't excuse everyone that should already be indicted by now.
We've seen Rove and Gonzo leave their posts, by neither have been dealt any real justice for what they did and what they were trying to do. Maybe this is coming later, closer to the end of Bush's term ... One can hope.
Norah O'Donald on MSNBC said a while ago, Senator Obama just cannot get away from this Rev Wright story. Then she proceeded to talk about it for about five minutes.
The reason he can't get away from the story is because talking heads like Norah keep bringing it up just about every hour of the day.
Meanwhile I haven't heard anything about bush's speech from her. I'm not saying she hasn't mentioned it, I just know I haven't heard it.
Noron is an idiot (but that's redundant, n'est ce pas?).
I visit this site daily. Along with Think Progress Leslie, and Juan Cole, though I admit to never having been to Buzzflash or Common Dreams. Didn't see the post of the amount of death visited upon the Iraqi people however, but we get a running count every time one of your boys dies. Tell you the truth, I think that disproportionately, the Iraqi's are on the losing side. There are not, in my opinion, enough dead Americans there. Maybe more, and you people, the so called left might rise up and bring to your country what it really needs. Revolution. And maybe, just maybe, you'd government may try and cut its losses and fuck off! You know? Weathermen anyone. Jesus Christ, John Kerry? This generation of Americans have not the courage of their expressed convictions.
Now I'm sure I'll have your secret police surveilling me in my home here in France, but some things need to be said!
I know of no regular commenter on this site who would say you're wrong. Mostly this type of talk is avoided in an attempt to ease into discussion with independents who are generally good people, but are nationalist nonetheless and when confronted with the deaths of American soldiers (who indeed did volunteer, but it has been well argued that this is in large part due to the military focusing recruitment on the lower class who are fighting their way up the ladder) are still more inclined to feel empathy for them than brown people they've never seen. It's become a bit of a dichotomy though, because as you and most of us "libruls" point out, our main goal is to get the hell out of iraq. But we remove all our troops, and their civil war rages unabated. Our bombs have indeed killed thousands of iraqis. But so have theirs. We leave, and many more of them will die. So the question then becomes, do you want to withdraw to save more of our troops, or should we stay and sacrifice them to save more Iraqis? I'm still for withdrawal, but I recognize there's no perfect solution.
Why did chimpy lie about the increased in troops caused the "surge" to work? Why didn't he tell US citizens that he was paying the "enemy" to ceased fire?
Obama will have to wait until he's in the WH to sort out all of chimpy's lies about his war and other important issues.
One can't use the words of chimpy on anything as fact.
I visit this site daily. Along with Think Progress Leslie, and Juan Cole, though I admit to never having been to Buzzflash or Common Dreams. Didn't see the post of the amount of death visited upon the Iraqi people however, but we get a running count every time one of your boys dies. Tell you the truth, I think that disproportionately, the Iraqi's are on the losing side. There are not, in my opinion, enough dead Americans there. Maybe more, and you people, the so called left might rise up and bring to your country what it really needs. Revolution. And maybe, just maybe, you'd government may try and cut its losses and fuck off! You know? Weathermen anyone. Jesus Christ, John Kerry? This generation of Americans have not the courage of their expressed convictions.
Now I'm sure I'll have your secret police surveilling me in my home here in France, but some things need to be said!
You're right that, in the US, more emphasis is placed on US losses than Iraq's. We don't know what the Iraqi death toll is, or the number of wounded or homeless we've created. The US isn't counting. But we're aware of the international estimates and it's mind-numbing the amount of gratuitous violence the US has visited on Iraq, when Iraq never attacked the US and didn't pose a threat.
There are a lot of other blogs you could read, such as Chris Floyd, at Empire Burlesque, who is quite scathing in his critiques; Iraq Today [which keeps a daily tally of death and destruction], and then Iraqi blogs such as Baghdad Burning.
However, I don't think more violence is the answer in terms of changing the US. Because, for one thing, any violence would be quickly put down and then used as fodder by the right to steal the next election.
Mostly this type of talk is avoided in an attempt to ease into discussion with independents who are generally good people...
Plus, there's the "enemy combatant" thingy, and the unauthorized wiretaps, oh and lets not forget Gitmo, cause there's Gitmo too, and your boy king has reserved himself the right to send any of you (and anyone else apparently) there.
But ya, I think I get what you're saying! Did you get what I was saying when I talked about courage of stated convictions?
Mostly this type of talk is avoided in an attempt to ease into discussion with independents who are generally good people...
Plus, there's the "enemy combatant" thingy, and the unauthorized wiretaps, oh and lets not forget Gitmo, cause there's Gitmo too, and your boy king has reserved himself the right to send any of you (and anyone else apparently) there.
But ya, I think I get what you're saying! Did you get what I was saying when I talked about courage of stated convictions?
Yup about Gitmo, "enemy combatant," torture, unauthorized wiretaps, Boy King arrogating onto himself the right to Gitmo anyone he wants, et al.
Courage of stated convictions: Yeah, I think most of us get that. But what do you suggest? I mean...we've been trying!!!!
Sad thing is, I'll bet most Americans didn't even watch Bush's speech. They just stick their collective heads in the sand saying to themselves,"Were America and were fine." Self dillusion is a wonderful thing.
Maybe because it painful to try and listen to that contemptuous, lying piece of trash.
Ask me later how I really feel.
THeDRiFTeR @ 39:
I know of no regular commenter on this site who would say you're wrong. Mostly this type of talk is avoided in an attempt to ease into discussion with independents who are generally good people, but are nationalist nonetheless and when confronted with the deaths of American soldiers (who indeed did volunteer, but it has been well argued that this is in large part due to the military focusing recruitment on the lower class who are fighting their way up the ladder) are still more inclined to feel empathy for them than brown people they've never seen. It's become a bit of a dichotomy though, because as you and most of us "libruls" point out, our main goal is to get the hell out of iraq. But we remove all our troops, and their civil war rages unabated. Our bombs have indeed killed thousands of iraqis. But so have theirs. We leave, and many more of them will die. So the question then becomes, do you want to withdraw to save more of our troops, or should we stay and sacrifice them to save more Iraqis? I'm still for withdrawal, but I recognize there's no perfect solution.
Right. The next step is to quit being part of the problem. To quit being the agent of harm.
It's time to turn our clusterfuck over to the UN to clean up.
Norah O'Donald on MSNBC said a while ago, Senator Obama just cannot get away from this Rev Wright story. Then she proceeded to talk about it for about five minutes.
The reason he can't get away from the story is because talking heads like Norah keep bringing it up just about every hour of the day.
Meanwhile I haven't heard anything about bush's speech from her. I'm not saying she hasn't mentioned it, I just know I haven't heard it.
Noron is an idiot (but that's redundant, n'est ce pas?).
I think people are becoming immune to the msm. all they have to do is look around and see that they are not better off and that those responsible for it are having the press lie.
When the state is supposed to be a "government of the people, by the people, and for the people", and it clearly no longer serves in that manner, honest people of good faith, in order to protect the innocent, be they fellow citizens or otherwise, must begin to speak of the legitamacy of insurectional violence. It would seem that its the only language the boy king and his entourage understand. Remember you not, "if your not for us, your against us"?
It really angered me that congress did nothing to stop Reagan era war criminals and even felons like Abrams, Negroponte and Poindexter from getting jobs in the George W. Bush administration. I'm not a huge Nixon fan, but it seems to me that an Enemies List would be a good day of dealing with the neocons. Just make a list of people who have proved themselves completely incompetent and totally unworthy to serve in government. People will then agree to vote against any politician who supports the appointment of anyone on the list. Nominations for the list are open, with me nominating first.... Douglas Feith.
Wed, 03/26/2008 - 16:17 — to hell with it. (not verified)
America has thoroughly established a bad rep on this war, so why can't we just throw a bunch of money at iraq, say our goodbyes, and wish them the best of luck. sorry, our bad, won't happen again or at least 'til the next republican't president.
it's not a guarantee that iraq will fall a apart when we leave, it's just an assumption, kinda like when we assumed they had WMDs.
Good god, who the fuck cares (outside of your country) about your dead occupational soldiers. Why don't you assholes ever talk about the death you've brought to the Iraqi people. I would suggest that they outnumber the poor souls you've sent there.
Shame on you!
Drifter, if you haven't noticed, few IN this country (USA) give a crap about how many US soldiers have been killed or wounded in Iraq, only anti-war types even seem to care about the deaths US or iraqi. Most right-wing draft dodging war supporters and profiteers, 'kill 'em there so they don't come here' bullshit Rovian partisan liars like Bush, Cheney and their enablers and cronies do not give one crap about the dead troops, and even less about dead iraqi's.
Neo-cons will never feel a ounce of regret or shed a tear for the destruction they have caused. They have no capacity for humanity and compassion. We have been shown this time and again. That is why I fear a McCain presidency. His lust to go to war with Iran should disturb everyone.
Kind of like how Hillary Clinton does not regret her vote to send us to war in Iraq, but just how the Bush regime carried it out.
But what do you suggest? I mean…we’ve been trying!!!!
Weathermen anyone?
Violence isn't the answer.
Words are all that's necessary but you have to have the courage to use them. When you see a holocaust or genocide in Iraq you don't call it the "Iraq war". When you see murderers you don't call them "neocons". When you see murderers and their accomplices making up lies to excuse or justify their criminal behaviour you call them liars. Regardless of who you're speaking to you must use honest language until that language becomes widespread and the criminals can no longer hide from it. If someone becomes irate over your honesty then too bad. The big picture is what's important.
I regret that not enough people are really paying attention to the next phase of what these neo-con sociopaths have in store. There will be an attack on Iran, and when that happens all hell will break loose, not just in Iraq, Afghanistan and the rest of the ME, but here at home as well.
I find it difficult to believe that Admiral Fallon would "resign" if it were not for the fact that he: a) was kicked out because he refused to go along with Cheney's plans; or, b) actually is a man with moral character and could not in good conscience go forward with a plan he knows will cause the utter destruction of the US military in Iraq, for starters, and then probably inflame the world.
I personally spent some time this afternoon emailing my Senators and Rep. imploring them to IMPEACH Cheney & Bush before they have a chance to start dropping bombs/missles on Tehran. This evening, I intend to send similar emails to other ranking members of Congress. I humbly suggest that perhaps others should do the same, after taking just a minute to consider what will actually happen if/when they attack Iran............
Wed, 03/26/2008 - 17:51 — jack damage (not verified)
Yea, I saw that cartoon in a local alt-rag...Neocon regrets... As satire Tomorrow is spot on in evaluating the mindset of these troglodytes I think and I'm pretty sure Sparky would agree... Ya know, I got a few regrets too... Among the top ones??? I deeply regret that George W. Bush managed to scam his way into the presidency and wreck shit for better part of this last decade... Further, I regret that the bastard didnt' just stay on the bottle with a cokespoon up his nose till his wretched excuse for a heart exploded or they hauled his ass away on possession with intent to distribute charges.... Speaking about hearts and the lack thereof... I am completely regretful that Dick Cheney, hateful bastard that he is... Has yet to drop dead from a massive heart attack! He's taken up way more than his 15 minutes..... Yea.. regrets? I got a bundle, and these are but a few from near the top of that list. I also regret my nation is no longer either living up to its promise nor even pretending to live up to its propaganda........ but I mostly blame the two miscreants I spoke of above along with the neocon cabal that insisted on giving them the reigns of power for this regret...JD
You're right that, in the US, more emphasis is placed on US losses than Iraq's.
Look, as a protester I can attest that one reason why we don't focus on the Iraqi loss of life is that there are elements in the public who would CELEBRATE IT.
Hundreds and hundreds of hours in the streets later, yelling these facts at the top of my lungs, and posting them here in the off hours -- it's not that a great number of us do not care. Nine-eleven caused a mass psychosis, and a lot of people are waking up with a hangover, but we're still not through. It is clear that HRC and McCain't are insane, but I don't think Obama is. His preacher may be, so there is plenty to go around. But we have, yet again, selected the right candidate, and now we are being played by the traitors in the party. Even then, things aren't what they appear. Speaker Pelosi and Chairman Dean are working to produce a positive result, but apparently you lot in France aren't aware that the U.S. Congress has partly gone insane as well.
We'll put a lot of the crazies to the curb this Fall, but this may take awhile to work out. Since you are French, we know you will understand. If you get too horrified, you can always blame the British.
But what do you suggest? I mean…we’ve been trying!!!!
Weathermen anyone?
It's very disturbing that you come to this site accusing everyone of not caring, and your proof is that no one is advocating violence. If that's what you're looking for, you won't find it here or on any of the other websites I listed.
Would love to see all these war criminals brought to justice.
Justice may well come back with a roar. People might find that it feels good.
One of my (east) Indian pals keeps talking about the Jenga-block, which apparently broke the camel's back. Suddenly it will all tumble down, and there WILL be justice, with her sword at the neoconners' neck, and a bronze boot on crooked spines.
When the state is supposed to be a "government of the people, by the people, and for the people", and it clearly no longer serves in that manner, honest people of good faith, in order to protect the innocent, be they fellow citizens or otherwise, must begin to speak of the legitamacy of insurectional violence. It would seem that its the only language the boy king and his entourage understand. Remember you not, "if your not for us, your against us"?
Well, act as though your actually against them!
If you want to incite violence, do it somewhere else.
Patricia you are right. MSM really let Americans down, but what to you expect from greedy corporation? I wish Americans would get information from other sources. Thats what I did in 2004. And I never looked back.
Same here. I can't stand to even look at those cable news programs anymore. They are nothing but one Heritage Foundation and AEI liar after another, making the rounds llike a lazy susan for corporate propoganda. You would think that Pat Buchanan was the freaking aristotle of our age, and that Glenn Beck actually had something intelligent to say.
If the people ever get control again, they oughta put these corporate MSM traitors in prison for conspiring against the first amendment, and propogandizing the "public" airwaves.
Would love to see all these war criminals brought to justice.
Justice may well come back with a roar. People might find that it feels good.
One of my (east) Indian pals keeps talking about the Jenga-block, which apparently broke the camel's back. Suddenly it will all tumble down, and there WILL be justice, with her sword at the neoconners' neck, and a bronze boot on crooked spines.
Man I hope your right. Would love to see that neocon karma-thing happen.
Man I hope your right. Would love to see that neocon karma-thing happen.
I think the key is to remember that we are making the future, not the past.
I think also that the secret to our eventual success is that pluralism is winning, and the totalitarian bastards have broken WAY too many laws and left WAY too much evidence in their wake. They HOPE that the negative effects of so much corruption will make us hopeless. If we don't break, they don't stand a chance.
And the rhetoric which says that we MUST go insane to defeat this evil is the evil telling you a lie. Violence is not the answer; totalitarianism is not the answer; and protest is certainly your duty and your right.
Fanaticism, left or right, is not the answer, and one should be very suspicious of those who claim that the right answer is hysteria and rage. Hone the edge of your rage on the whetstone of the progressive call for justice, and hand the fear back to the evil-doers who pervert our society in ways which are on the books ILLEGAL.
Now, as the White House warns about the latest threat in the region,
this time from Iran,
Examine the deception, suspect intelligence, even lies
that convinced the world of the rightness of targeting
Saddam Hussein.
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Yep... that pretty much sums it up.
foist.
c. atrox @ 2:
arrgh!
"Rien. Rien de rien. Non. Je ne regrette rien."
Where are all the magic ponies?
OK, I give up, what does FOIST mean?
Logan, your URL is bad for the "4000 dead American soldiers".
Neo-cons will never feel a ounce of regret or shed a tear for the destruction they have caused. They have no capacity for humanity and compassion. We have been shown this time and again. That is why I fear a McCain presidency. His lust to go to war with Iran should disturb everyone.
The last cell of that cartoon may be true. I counted six times bush mentioned Iran in his speech this morning. Plus I might have missed some due to my cursing at the insane stuff he was saying.
He talks about the Iraqi people as though they were some cave clan when he found them and now they are having to learn about civilization from scratch. Jeez, there were a lot of well educated people in Iraq, sadly an awful lot of them have had to leave during this damned invasion....that is if they haven't been killed.
The death and destruction in Iraq going as planned.
Over one million Iraqi people dead, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people injured, millions displaced. Neo-con MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
All the while the American Embassy in Iraq moving along as planned
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/photos-embassy-iraq/
PHOTOS: The $592 Million U.S. Embassy In Iraq»
Construction of the U.S. embassy in Iraq, set to open in September, is projected to cost $592 million, with a staff of 1,000 people and operating costs totaling $1.2 billion a year. It will be a 104-acre complex, which is the size of approximately 80 football fields. On May 10, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) criticized the ballooning size and cost of the embassy in a hearing with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice:
Now, having said over and over again that we don’t want to be seen as an occupying force in Iraq, we’re building the largest embassy that we have — probably the largest in the world — in Baghdad. And it just seems to grow and grow and grow. … We agree that we should focus our aid locally not in Baghdad, but we have 1,000 Americans at the embassy in Baghdad. You add the contractors and the local staff it comes to 4,000.
The architectural firm designing the embassy, Berger Define Yaeger, has posted the designs for the colossus on its website. Some previews of the compound’s planned swimming pool and tennis courts:
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P.D. @ 7:
The Bushies are already waging war on Iran, from the military build-up in the Gulf to the quiet use of the Patriot Act in an economic Shock & Awe.
Sad thing is, I'll bet most Americans didn't even watch Bush's speech. They just stick their collective heads in the sand saying to themselves,"Were America and were fine." Self dillusion is a wonderful thing.
P.D. @ 11:
I didn't watch it, because he makes me sick and I end up throwing things at the TV.
Your right Leslie. I was all I could do not to hurl. Bush anymore looks like he has gone off the deep end. His dancing on the White House steps is burned in my memory.
P.D. @ 11:
When did they stop showing presidential speeches like this in the evening and on all the networks? Working people could see them then and make decisions for themselves rather than wait for some reporter to tell them what was said or show snippets of the speech.
Leslie @ 12:
I didn't watch his speech because he has been giving the same speech over and over for about 3 years now. Was there something significantly different with this one?
RayC Hussein @ 15:
He sounded so determined to get his points across that at times he almost yelled. He was like a really angry father trying to keep from swatting his kid. It was strange and looked like he was trying out for a part in a play that called for a character that was so angry he was about to lose control.
Now that 4,000 is the official number, that's the number of people who have died in the field, not the number of all the people who have died of their wounds a short while later in a hospital or of suicide or of conditions arising soon after returning.
Just as the surge has reduced the numbers of Iraqi's killed by not counting the close-contact shootings or bombings or anything other than shots from a distance and comparing that number to the pre-surge numbers including those "other killings".
Is there any hope of an honest fact coming out of these people, or is everything sacrificed for the sake of the "victory" to come?
Kathleen @ 9:
Patricia you are right. MSM really let Americans down, but what to you expect from greedy corporation? I wish Americans would get information from other sources. Thats what I did in 2004. And I never looked back.
Very funny, but unrealistic. Neocons are far too arrogant to admit having regrets.
I regret that we haven't already started tar & feathering all neocons.
I regret that Congress has begun impeachment hearings and that Bush & Co aren't before the Hague.
Kathleen at 9
Apologies for unintentionally modifying (at 18) your comment. Meant to add in response:
Can't wait for the mortar rounds to land in the swimming pool and on the tennis courts.
Norah O'Donald on MSNBC said a while ago, Senator Obama just cannot get away from this Rev Wright story. Then she proceeded to talk about it for about five minutes.
The reason he can't get away from the story is because talking heads like Norah keep bringing it up just about every hour of the day.
Meanwhile I haven't heard anything about bush's speech from her. I'm not saying she hasn't mentioned it, I just know I haven't heard it.
Tar and feathering sounds interesting. But lets try this idea. The neo-cons can be tried in a court in Iraq! After all, it is such a Democratic success! I mean we gave them Democracy. Maybe they should see the fruits of their labors.
I regret one major supreme court decision in 2000. That decision resulted in a lot of deaths, a lot of broken hearts and a gigantic debt.
It was particularly touching in the PBS Frontline 'Bush's War' that the Bush Republicans sent US troops and national Guard into a country (Iraq) where the locals pay each other to take video's of Americans they shoot or dismember in huge explosions. The one troop who was shot through the head by insurgents, and video taped, and who dropped on his back like a brick in Part One was a particularly pathetic display of the end result of this unnecessary war.
bobsf @ 20:
Psychopaths do not have regrets. They thrive off of others suffering
Good god, who the fuck cares (outside of your country) about your dead occupational soldiers. Why don't you assholes ever talk about the death you've brought to the Iraqi people. I would suggest that they outnumber the poor souls you've sent there.
Shame on you!
I am impressed, as an observer beyond your northern border, at the frank self-assessments many Americans are doing. For years we have been rolling our eyes at the "God Bless America" attitude well before 9/11, an attitude that stretches back to Manifest Destiny and all that. Since 9/11 and since Iraq, the neo-con intellectuals and the pick-up truck driving Bubbas have gone wild with this American chauvinism. You saved the world in WWII. You MUST be one of history's good guys, right?
There are more and more of you who might be sensing something more profound here though. Is it possible that the in the long view of history, the US will be seen as a villain? Not a Nazi villain. Not a Stalin villain. But perhaps a Napoleanic France villain, or a Roman Empire villain. Both of those empires had their good points, but both were repressive, both subjugated people in far off lands, and both used violence to further their own ends. Look at you. You are occupiers in Iraq. You are installing the infrastructure to steal their wealth.
It's treasonous to some in your country to even entertain the notion. The US has a great history of spreading peace and freedom and democracy. True of course. But not just Iraq, there are many other incidents, mostly forgotten in the US memory, where the "ideals' of the US came second to political or commercial interests. Check out the history of Latin American countries and you will see that US involvement has been violent, manipulative and self-serving. Iraq fits into that pattern rather than being an aberration.
But let's assume it's not the US that writes the long view of history. Which US will that history remember? The 'good' US of WWII and the Marshall Plan, or the 'bad' US of the Iraqi occupation, international meddling, George Bush, and whatever comes next?
VietVet8666 @ 23:
Found your comment. Good one. So fucking absurd that the largest U.S. embassy (any embassy) going up while the blood bath continues in Iraq.
Juan Gonzales interviews British correspondent Patrick Cockburn about what is taking place in Iraq. When Juan ask Patrick reports keep telling us that the situation in Iraq is getting better. Cockburn responds 'well I guess it is if you consider that the Iraqi casualties have gone from 3000 a month to 1600 a month". "So it has gone from a 100% bloodbath to a 50% bloodbath. It is still a bloodbath"
Take a look and listen. Good interview
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/27/british_correspondent_patrick_cock...
Jeezus, these adds between blog posts are FUCKING ANNOYING. The gutters on the side are a much more appropriate for this blatant capitalism. I don't mind that you're making money with these things, just please consider the aesthetics while doing so. So typically American.
As far as the Tom Tomorrow strip goes...it's funny because it's true.
THeDRiFTeR @ 29:
You must not visit this site too often. We do indeed talk about the heartache and misery and death this invasion of Iraq has caused the Iraqi people. No one here has missed that point and most of us wish to hell this whole nightmare had never been allowed to happen.
Drifter and Northern Trombonist,
We talk about both the needless death of both US troops and Iraqis, and US imperialism. We've been talking about it for years now. Just read the threads on this blog and many others, such as: Think Progress, Juan Cole, Buzzflash, Common Dreams.
NorthernTrombonist @ 30:
More and more americans are as sick of this administration as the rest of the world. We want these thugs tried for war crimes at the very least.
pissed off patricia @ 8:
Click the link, you only read half.
Another neo-cons regrets. Judy "I was fucking right" Miller
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03192007/gossip/pagesix/sightings_pagesix_.htm
Judy "I regret that I no longer have the ability to spread lies about Iraq in the New York Times. Damn it Iran was next. But plenty of folks to spread those lies"
How about John Bolton
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/pix/b/io/77409.htm
"I regret that I was unable to wipe out the 10 top floors of the UN" But what the hell I'm still walking the streets and have not been held accountable for any of the crimes that I have committed. Hell I even got to spend 45 minutes on Neil Conan's Talk of the Nation and was able to repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran and Neil did not question me once." No regrets there
Leslie @ 22:
The ICC treaty has not been signed by the US, and yesterday the traitor Supremes said that no treaty can bind the states, anyhow.
So we're now in a Civil War. Who knew the twin towers were Fort Sumpter? (a lot of us, but who's counting).
I visit this site daily. Along with Think Progress Leslie, and Juan Cole, though I admit to never having been to Buzzflash or Common Dreams. Didn't see the post of the amount of death visited upon the Iraqi people however, but we get a running count every time one of your boys dies. Tell you the truth, I think that disproportionately, the Iraqi's are on the losing side. There are not, in my opinion, enough dead Americans there. Maybe more, and you people, the so called left might rise up and bring to your country what it really needs. Revolution. And maybe, just maybe, you'd government may try and cut its losses and fuck off! You know? Weathermen anyone. Jesus Christ, John Kerry? This generation of Americans have not the courage of their expressed convictions.
Now I'm sure I'll have your secret police surveilling me in my home here in France, but some things need to be said!
Northern at 30
I'm a U.S. citizen (full disclosure).
I think the U.S. is way beyond being a villain. It's deadly dangerous -- not just to others, but also to its own people.
Paul in LA @ 36:
The neo-cons started repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran immediately after the invasion of Iraq. Reuel Marc Gerecht, Micheal Ledeen, James Woolsey, John Bolton, Cheney, Bill Kristol, John McCain have all been singing "bomb Bomb Bomb" Iran for quite some time now. They still have 9 months. The inflammatory rhetoric has not ceased.
hell even Hillary Clinton voted for the Kyl Lieberman amendment last fall. She seems to be on the bomb Iran train
This is an important clip
http://pop.youtube.com/watch?v=L3gQfz8GC0o&feature=related
http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnpzN3dZR6JM
whoops, meant: I regret that Congress has not begun impeachment hearings and that Bush & Co aren’t before the Hague.
HAHAHAHAHA
Jolly good. Jolly correct.
You're missing the big picture...it's all going according to Dick's plan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK24qS1mPFo
All that, and Pelosi kept impeachment "off the table". This administration is completely criminal, and nothing is being done about it. They only hope I have for any accountability is that *maybe* Waxman and Conyers are holding this off intentionally until closer to the end of the term, so that Bush's pardons can't excuse everyone that should already be indicted by now.
We've seen Rove and Gonzo leave their posts, by neither have been dealt any real justice for what they did and what they were trying to do. Maybe this is coming later, closer to the end of Bush's term ... One can hope.
pissed off patricia @ 24:
Noron is an idiot (but that's redundant, n'est ce pas?).
THeDRiFTeR @ 39:
I know of no regular commenter on this site who would say you're wrong. Mostly this type of talk is avoided in an attempt to ease into discussion with independents who are generally good people, but are nationalist nonetheless and when confronted with the deaths of American soldiers (who indeed did volunteer, but it has been well argued that this is in large part due to the military focusing recruitment on the lower class who are fighting their way up the ladder) are still more inclined to feel empathy for them than brown people they've never seen. It's become a bit of a dichotomy though, because as you and most of us "libruls" point out, our main goal is to get the hell out of iraq. But we remove all our troops, and their civil war rages unabated. Our bombs have indeed killed thousands of iraqis. But so have theirs. We leave, and many more of them will die. So the question then becomes, do you want to withdraw to save more of our troops, or should we stay and sacrifice them to save more Iraqis? I'm still for withdrawal, but I recognize there's no perfect solution.
Why did chimpy lie about the increased in troops caused the "surge" to work? Why didn't he tell US citizens that he was paying the "enemy" to ceased fire?
Obama will have to wait until he's in the WH to sort out all of chimpy's lies about his war and other important issues.
One can't use the words of chimpy on anything as fact.
Go Obama!
Go USA!
THeDRiFTeR @ 39:
You're right that, in the US, more emphasis is placed on US losses than Iraq's. We don't know what the Iraqi death toll is, or the number of wounded or homeless we've created. The US isn't counting. But we're aware of the international estimates and it's mind-numbing the amount of gratuitous violence the US has visited on Iraq, when Iraq never attacked the US and didn't pose a threat.
There are a lot of other blogs you could read, such as Chris Floyd, at Empire Burlesque, who is quite scathing in his critiques; Iraq Today [which keeps a daily tally of death and destruction], and then Iraqi blogs such as Baghdad Burning.
However, I don't think more violence is the answer in terms of changing the US. Because, for one thing, any violence would be quickly put down and then used as fodder by the right to steal the next election.
Acting Patriotic @ 44:
That's quite the clip. Thanks . I will be sharing this one.
Plus, there's the "enemy combatant" thingy, and the unauthorized wiretaps, oh and lets not forget Gitmo, cause there's Gitmo too, and your boy king has reserved himself the right to send any of you (and anyone else apparently) there.
But ya, I think I get what you're saying! Did you get what I was saying when I talked about courage of stated convictions?
Kathleen@9
This is a slap in the Iraqis' faces. This is a luxury fort.
It should be torn down immediately.
THeDRiFTeR @ 51:
Yup about Gitmo, "enemy combatant," torture, unauthorized wiretaps, Boy King arrogating onto himself the right to Gitmo anyone he wants, et al.
Courage of stated convictions: Yeah, I think most of us get that. But what do you suggest? I mean...we've been trying!!!!
Weathermen anyone?
THeDRiFTeR @ 54:
Violence isn't the answer.
P.D. @ 11:
Maybe because it painful to try and listen to that contemptuous, lying piece of trash.
Ask me later how I really feel.
mrplow @ 47:
Right. The next step is to quit being part of the problem. To quit being the agent of harm.
It's time to turn our clusterfuck over to the UN to clean up.
Dr. Acula @ 46:
I think people are becoming immune to the msm. all they have to do is look around and see that they are not better off and that those responsible for it are having the press lie.
When the state is supposed to be a "government of the people, by the people, and for the people", and it clearly no longer serves in that manner, honest people of good faith, in order to protect the innocent, be they fellow citizens or otherwise, must begin to speak of the legitamacy of insurectional violence. It would seem that its the only language the boy king and his entourage understand. Remember you not, "if your not for us, your against us"?
Well, act as though your actually against them!
I regret Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz aren't behind bars.
It really angered me that congress did nothing to stop Reagan era war criminals and even felons like Abrams, Negroponte and Poindexter from getting jobs in the George W. Bush administration. I'm not a huge Nixon fan, but it seems to me that an Enemies List would be a good day of dealing with the neocons. Just make a list of people who have proved themselves completely incompetent and totally unworthy to serve in government. People will then agree to vote against any politician who supports the appointment of anyone on the list. Nominations for the list are open, with me nominating first.... Douglas Feith.
America has thoroughly established a bad rep on this war, so why can't we just throw a bunch of money at iraq, say our goodbyes, and wish them the best of luck. sorry, our bad, won't happen again or at least 'til the next republican't president.
it's not a guarantee that iraq will fall a apart when we leave, it's just an assumption, kinda like when we assumed they had WMDs.
THeDRiFTeR @ 29:
Drifter, if you haven't noticed, few IN this country (USA) give a crap about how many US soldiers have been killed or wounded in Iraq, only anti-war types even seem to care about the deaths US or iraqi. Most right-wing draft dodging war supporters and profiteers, 'kill 'em there so they don't come here' bullshit Rovian partisan liars like Bush, Cheney and their enablers and cronies do not give one crap about the dead troops, and even less about dead iraqi's.
Ruthless People @ 60:
I regret that GHW Bush did not wear appropriate protection on the day that he mounted that sad cow of a wife and impregnated her with GW Bush.
Tom Tomorrow is always good, but I especially liked this one.
P.D. @ 7:
Kind of like how Hillary Clinton does not regret her vote to send us to war in Iraq, but just how the Bush regime carried it out.
If (God forbid) I was a neocon or Vulcan, I would hate Tom Tomorrow more than anybody else.
Leslie @ 55:
Words are all that's necessary but you have to have the courage to use them. When you see a holocaust or genocide in Iraq you don't call it the "Iraq war". When you see murderers you don't call them "neocons". When you see murderers and their accomplices making up lies to excuse or justify their criminal behaviour you call them liars. Regardless of who you're speaking to you must use honest language until that language becomes widespread and the criminals can no longer hide from it. If someone becomes irate over your honesty then too bad. The big picture is what's important.
I regret that not enough people are really paying attention to the next phase of what these neo-con sociopaths have in store. There will be an attack on Iran, and when that happens all hell will break loose, not just in Iraq, Afghanistan and the rest of the ME, but here at home as well.
I find it difficult to believe that Admiral Fallon would "resign" if it were not for the fact that he: a) was kicked out because he refused to go along with Cheney's plans; or, b) actually is a man with moral character and could not in good conscience go forward with a plan he knows will cause the utter destruction of the US military in Iraq, for starters, and then probably inflame the world.
I personally spent some time this afternoon emailing my Senators and Rep. imploring them to IMPEACH Cheney & Bush before they have a chance to start dropping bombs/missles on Tehran. This evening, I intend to send similar emails to other ranking members of Congress. I humbly suggest that perhaps others should do the same, after taking just a minute to consider what will actually happen if/when they attack Iran............
Yea, I saw that cartoon in a local alt-rag...Neocon regrets... As satire Tomorrow is spot on in evaluating the mindset of these troglodytes I think and I'm pretty sure Sparky would agree... Ya know, I got a few regrets too... Among the top ones??? I deeply regret that George W. Bush managed to scam his way into the presidency and wreck shit for better part of this last decade... Further, I regret that the bastard didnt' just stay on the bottle with a cokespoon up his nose till his wretched excuse for a heart exploded or they hauled his ass away on possession with intent to distribute charges.... Speaking about hearts and the lack thereof... I am completely regretful that Dick Cheney, hateful bastard that he is... Has yet to drop dead from a massive heart attack! He's taken up way more than his 15 minutes..... Yea.. regrets? I got a bundle, and these are but a few from near the top of that list. I also regret my nation is no longer either living up to its promise nor even pretending to live up to its propaganda........ but I mostly blame the two miscreants I spoke of above along with the neocon cabal that insisted on giving them the reigns of power for this regret...JD
Leslie @ 49:
Look, as a protester I can attest that one reason why we don't focus on the Iraqi loss of life is that there are elements in the public who would CELEBRATE IT.
Hundreds and hundreds of hours in the streets later, yelling these facts at the top of my lungs, and posting them here in the off hours -- it's not that a great number of us do not care. Nine-eleven caused a mass psychosis, and a lot of people are waking up with a hangover, but we're still not through. It is clear that HRC and McCain't are insane, but I don't think Obama is. His preacher may be, so there is plenty to go around. But we have, yet again, selected the right candidate, and now we are being played by the traitors in the party. Even then, things aren't what they appear. Speaker Pelosi and Chairman Dean are working to produce a positive result, but apparently you lot in France aren't aware that the U.S. Congress has partly gone insane as well.
We'll put a lot of the crazies to the curb this Fall, but this may take awhile to work out. Since you are French, we know you will understand. If you get too horrified, you can always blame the British.
Would love to see all these war criminals brought to justice.
THeDRiFTeR @ 54:
It's very disturbing that you come to this site accusing everyone of not caring, and your proof is that no one is advocating violence. If that's what you're looking for, you won't find it here or on any of the other websites I listed.
Harry @ 72:
Justice may well come back with a roar. People might find that it feels good.
One of my (east) Indian pals keeps talking about the Jenga-block, which apparently broke the camel's back. Suddenly it will all tumble down, and there WILL be justice, with her sword at the neoconners' neck, and a bronze boot on crooked spines.
THeDRiFTeR @ 59:
If you want to incite violence, do it somewhere else.
P.D. @ 19:
Same here. I can't stand to even look at those cable news programs anymore. They are nothing but one Heritage Foundation and AEI liar after another, making the rounds llike a lazy susan for corporate propoganda. You would think that Pat Buchanan was the freaking aristotle of our age, and that Glenn Beck actually had something intelligent to say.
If the people ever get control again, they oughta put these corporate MSM traitors in prison for conspiring against the first amendment, and propogandizing the "public" airwaves.
Paul in LA @ 74:
Man I hope your right. Would love to see that neocon karma-thing happen.
NoGWBpolicyleftinplace @ 77:
I think the key is to remember that we are making the future, not the past.
I think also that the secret to our eventual success is that pluralism is winning, and the totalitarian bastards have broken WAY too many laws and left WAY too much evidence in their wake. They HOPE that the negative effects of so much corruption will make us hopeless. If we don't break, they don't stand a chance.
And the rhetoric which says that we MUST go insane to defeat this evil is the evil telling you a lie. Violence is not the answer; totalitarianism is not the answer; and protest is certainly your duty and your right.
Fanaticism, left or right, is not the answer, and one should be very suspicious of those who claim that the right answer is hysteria and rage. Hone the edge of your rage on the whetstone of the progressive call for justice, and hand the fear back to the evil-doers who pervert our society in ways which are on the books ILLEGAL.
The Lies that Led to War
Now, as the White House warns about the latest threat in the region,
this time from Iran,
Examine the deception, suspect intelligence, even lies
that convinced the world of the rightness of targeting
Saddam Hussein.
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/lies/video.html
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