This is it: The smoking gun that will lead to a political mushroom cloud -- IF there is even a vestige left of what used to be called the PRESS in this country.

Bob in PA @ 1:

This is it: The smoking gun that will lead to a political mushroom cloud -- IF there is even a vestige left of what used to be called the PRESS in this country.

You will notice that there has been no mention of any of this in the MSM except for a fleeting sentence.

Even if the press does pick it up, the leadership of the Democratic Party will ignore it all.

I'm convinced there is nothing that would move Nancy Pelosi or John Conyers to do the right thing.

I wonder why???

I suspect Mukasey will soon have to "tend to family and personal issues."

Is he saying there was a call and they knew where from (Afghanistan safe house) but they didn't know where it went? Is he cornering himself in that statement. if not what the hell does he mean.

Thats like calling the police to report a killing in progress, the police saying they knew you called, but dont know what happened to the call (even though they admit they got it)

Though an atheist I promise to thank god every day, for Rachael Maddow. And Keith, of course.

We were sold down the river as americans!
sold , bought and paid for from the scums inside the hill at the time during 9/11.
ppl died saving lifes,, ppl died inside those buildings and yet where are those so called insiders that hid the intell?
no brain? no minds?

Its disgusting to know this was my former state NYS! where the fuck was the Gov at the time?
Piss on all of you repigs,, and BUSH supporters!!!!!!! ÁND the same for rudy lovers.

corruption, lying, ineptitude, fear mongering traitorous bastards.

Like Gonzales before him, and so many others in the Bush-league administration, Mukasey appears to be whoring himself at the altar of untrammeled executive power. Shame on them. Shame on us for letting him and his ilk get away with it.

SK, Why? Does he say something that bothers you? You know, the truth?

Abbybwood @ 4:

Even if the press does pick it up, the leadership of the Democratic Party will ignore it all.

I'm convinced there is nothing that would move Nancy Pelosi or John Conyers to do the right thing.

I wonder why???

Their agenda is to get reelected. Nothing else matters to them.

He is probably lying because he is playing the 9/11 card lately. Still no justice in the Justice Dept. just another bush lawyer like Ganzo. You can thank Feinstein and Schumer for this guy.

Why is anyone surprised at this?

According to Common Dreams:

We’ve been here before. As Christopher Dickey points out in an on-line commentary for Newsweek, just one month before terrorists struck the World Trade Center, "... panicked CIA analysts flew to Texas to brief Bush personally in [August] 2001, to intrude on his vacation with face-to-face alerts. Bush sized them up, as is his wont, looking to judge the content of what they told him by the confidence with which the message was delivered. Bush wasn’t convinced. ‘All right,’ said the president, ‘you’ve covered your ass now’... "

Bugs @ 17:

Like Gonzales before him, and so many others in the Bush-league administration, Mukasey appears to be whoring himself at the altar of untrammeled executive power. Shame on them. Shame on us for letting him and his ilk get away with it.

Mukasey proved himself reliable to the machinery of the state when he covered for it in the 1993 WTC bombing trial.

The trial where he, as trial judge, buried the secretly recorded conversations between the FBI and the informant about subbing out the real explosives, for dummy explosives. Of course, the FBI wanted the real explosives.

that earned Mukasey a nod for the AG.

P.D. @ 23:

Leslie. I, too, am filled with rightous indignation.

I was being somewhat sarcastic. But it really fries my bacon. I live in NYC, the WTC ash covered my neighborhood, friends worked in and around the WTC. And this ASSHOLE claims there was a call from an Afghan safe house!? Then tries to blame Democrats!? As if the GOP will keep us safer...with duct tape.

Well, I'm off to breakfast. ... later folk.

OMG!!

9-11 Conspiracy Talk by Olbermann & Maddow ???

.. at long last ..

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/confirmation/AM.show.html

hardball@msnbc.com

joe@msnbc.com

nightly@nbc.com

Above, please find FOUR AVENUES of APPROACH to enable you to sound off a bit if you are really angry about these revelations.

VENT... BE ANGRY... but also BE CIVIL.

Regards...

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azureblue @ 32:

M's statement is interesting, viewed in the context of how Bush & Rice pointedly ignored frantic warnings from Clark etc., the outgoing administration, plus international warnings, about an attack. Clinton's people knew that an attack, most likely on the WTC and by airplane, was looming. Clark all but waved the data in Bush's face. Others tried to warn him- they knew somethign was going to happen real soon . But Bush said, and a quote, "Fine, you've covered your ass", when told. And Rice refused to even meet with them.

That is why, when Bush was told about the attacks, he registered no surprise, and simply returned to reading a book. Bush knew, and did nothing.

So M underscores this fact. They knew.

BTW I wonder how the Supreme Court feels, knowing what horror it brought upon this country by thwarting the election process and installing Bush as President

What evidence do you have that Clinton knew the attacks would include the WTC? I've never heard that before. Although I have heard a similar complaint lodged against Giuliani--for basing the emergency response command center in the WTC, when the WTC had been attacked in 1993 and for his not taking terrorism seriously before 9/11.

Leslie, I feel for you, and me, and the country.

The smoking gun!

Leslie @ 20:

I'm shocked to learn that the Bush administration was incompetent: that they were warned repeatedly about 9/11 and did nothing. And then they lie about it for political reasons!? I'm absolutely shocked!

Its actually much worse than this - official story doesn't hold up to scrutiny - you have just given us a "best case" scenario that actually gives most of the criminal cabal a "get out of jail free" card.

Leslie @ 20:

I'm shocked to learn that the Bush administration was incompetent: that they were warned repeatedly about 9/11 and did nothing. And then they lie about it for political reasons!? I'm absolutely shocked!

I'm not.

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little bear @ 47:

nah nah nah nah

quickly inserts fingers in ears while making loud noises and closing eyes ;)

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Debunker disputed phrase

Debunkers' critiques of such things as religion and pseudoscience may offend believers. Some, such as Marcello Truzzi (who self-identified as a skeptic), maintain that some skeptics go too far and assert negative claims, and thus are not true skeptics but "pseudoskeptics". According to Truzzi,[3] genuine skeptics are neutral or agnostic, often critical of extraordinary claims, but do not make negative claims by denying them. Instead they "demand extraordinary proof"[4] before they will accept extraordinary claims as proven.

Real engineers have explained how the towers fell; it had happened to a similarly constructed building while being built as well.

No one has still explained WTC7 though.

AgentX @ 54:

You guys will have to tell me about the coverage, since I'm out of town.

So, does this prove the conspiracy theorists were right the whole time?

I don't think this proves any conspiracy theory's, but it does prove this admin's gross negligence and their self rightous indignation with regards to 9/11. Incompetent boobs.

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Andy K Jong Il @ 56:

Leslie & ferrofluid-

Don't engage with 'em. Take it from a long-timer: this is the type of shit that has, in the past, resulted in:

1). MAJOR flame wars

2).MASSIVE delete-a-thons

and

3).MULTIPLE bannings

Thanks. Didn't know what I said wrong. But apparently some topics are taboo for the reasons you give.

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Glad you have kept your cover. Shows real courage.

♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 15:

corruption, lying, ineptitude, fear mongering traitorous bastards.

corruption to the core, and, across the aisle.. this is what I said in the crocodile tears thread:

enough @ 59:

Tell me again why we had to confirm this Bushbot. His son is a partner in Giuliani's law firm who is representing Verizon. Can you say Corporatocracy? When will Obama address the military industrial complex? We need real leadership to get us out of this hell. Nothing should be sent from congress to the DOJ. It is compromised.
Don'task. Convict.

Truth B Told @ 46:

Mucous-ey was the judge in the first WTC bombing in 93 that suppressed the evidence from the FBI informant that was recorded in secret, of the FBI handler ordering the bombing to go forward with LIVE bombs, versus having the informant use a dummy material...

the FBI was in on it, and knew of it.

They LIHOP.

Otay @ 6:

Thanks again, Feinstein, Schumer and all of the other dim-bulbed spineless Dems who gave us this Bushie. Oh, and thanks to Bob Mulholland for name-calling those of us trying to censor Feinstein.

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Schumer is as bad, if not worse than Sweinstein, but gets a very easy ride, even here @ C&L. Bushbot maybe, but:

US Senators LIEberman-sFeinstein-Schumer: the Axis of AIPAC Zionists. It’s quite obvious that fascist AIPAC, in their Israel over America agenda are responsible for “persuading” these as fascist
politicians/ traitors to vote against the US interests. We are rushing towards the Israeli police state model like a runaway train. Mukasey is a rabid supporter of Zionist Israel, an apologist for Israeli terror tactics in Occupied Palestine, and a racist against ALL non-Jews. LIEberman, Schumer and Mukasey are all Orthodox Jews.

The US is AIPAC's unlimited cash register without any bottom (WE, the PEOPLE, all the taxpayers) . Therefore, it comes as no surprise that they want someone who supports torture and is willing to rape the US Constitution while holding the office of the US Attorney General. To them, the US AG has to have no other loyalty but to Israel and it's 5th Column, the AIPAC (American Israel Political Action Committee). And so the cold shadow of the totalitarian state continues to spread across America.

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How the OCTOPUS works

Mukasey, a Reagan appointed federal district judge for the Southern District of New York in Manhattan for 18 years, was a Chief Judge from March 2000 through July 2006.

Schumer personally introduced Bush's choice to replace Gonzales, former federal judge Michael Mukasey. Schumer RECOMMENDED Mukasey for confirmation. Schumer, along with Sen. Feinstein, allowed the confirmation to move on to the full Senate (betrayed by Schumer & Feinstein, 11-8 vote of Senate Judiciary Committee).

"Schumer was and remains a supporter of the Iraq War Resolution, AIPAC member, and a strident Pro-Israel member of Congress." - wikipedia.

WHY would be publicity seeking media-whore Chuck so enamored w/ Mukasey ?

Chuck Schumer's wife, Iris Weinshall, was appointed Commissioner of the New York City Department of Transportation by then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani on September 8, 2000, and left the post on April 13, 2007 during Bloomberg administration. Bloomberg testified at some point, that Schumer's wife was one of only TWO Giuliani functionaries he (Bloomberg) was asked by Giuliani to retain on his payroll.

She was shuffled between various NYC posts in various NYC govt departments since she married Chuck in 1980. She screwed up in one, was moved to the next. With education in Public Administration she had no training/ expertise in ANYTHING professional: Environmental Protection, Buildings, Transportation -
but these were the sectors she was put on charge of. We, the Taxpayers were paying her salary, NYC govt cars, protection, etc, etc. ALL HER LIFE !!

Her job as DOT Commissioner came into the spotlight following the 2003 Staten Island Ferry crash that killed 11 passengers, with tens more seriously injured and maimed for life.. After the deadly crash, Iris Weinshall came under harsh criticism for allowing patronage relationships to compromise the safety of the ferry operations. The Staten Island Ferry system transports 65,000 passengers a day between Staten Island and Manhattan.

Mukasey, then a a Chief Judge for the Southern District of New York in Manhattan, let her OFF the hook: declared she had no criminal responsibility for the FERRY crash, although she was the NYC DOT Commissioner in charge. However, when the private lawsuits started coming in, she was advised to move on, and PROMOTED: Schumer's wife, Iris Weinshall is a vice chancellor at the City University of New York since April 2007 (her salary is now ~ U$ 250,000, plus the cars, security, etc- TAXPAYERS paid !!!). She is -again- in charge of FACILITIES, subject she knows NOTHING about,
having education in public admin.

In the same year 2003, Sen. Chuck Schumer recommended Mukasey as a candidate for a Supreme Court appointment. Didn't work out for crafty AIPAC judge, the PAYOLA had to be postponed until 2007 AG games. The Kongre$$ proceedings were just the game for unsusspecting taxpayers, and TeeVee..

Here's Mukasey nomination Chuck Schumer's, own Giuliani connection. As associate attorney general in 1983, Giuliani rebuffed Brooklyn U.S. Attorney Ray Dearie, who had recommended Schumer's indictment based on allegations involving his initial election to Congress in 1980.

Schumer's wife, Iris Weinshall, before she took over the transportation job (causing the SI Ferry crash through total negligence and lack of mgmt/supervision), she was a Deputy Commissioner under Giuliani at another agency, NYC Department of Buildings, where she oversaw the construction of the bunker at 7 World Trade Center, owned by Larry Silverstein, another Orthodox Jew. She was the ONLY top NYC official who must have signed -off on the bunker construction and occupancy NYC permits. AGAINST ALL the NYC Building Codes.

Despite NYC: Ferry Crash Settlement

"The city has settled about two-thirds of 186 personal injury claims in connection with the crash, for a total of more than $34 million, the Law Department said. The largest payments were about $9 million each to a man and a woman who lost both legs. "

It got more interesting last week:

Court Finds City Was Negligent in S.I. Ferry Crash

" A federal appeals court on Thursday found that New York City was negligent for the deadly crash of a Staten Island ferry in 2003 and cannot have its liability limited. The ruling is a major victory for dozens of plaintiffs who have sued the city, including relatives of some of the 11 people killed in the crash of the ferry, the Andrew J. Barberi. "

Will Schumer's wife be EVER kept accountable for causing death and injuries to the TAXPAYERS paying her salaries, cars, security - ALL HER LIFE ?!! Don't hold your breath ..

So, who really RULES our country:

AIPAC uber Alles !!!
Herr Schumer, Frau Sweinstein, fur Herr Mukasey/AG, und Frau Hillary/President !

Mukasey is heading the US Justice Department with indictment of Giuliani’s former police commissioner and business partner, Bernard B. Kerik. Neither presidential spokespersons nor Mukasey would return reporters' inquiries into whether Mukasey would recuse himself from the Kerik case.

Mukasey did swear in the crossdessing mayor Rudy in both 1994 and 1998, he donated heavily to his presidential campaign. The thrice-married Giuliani was also married to Donna Hanover (his second marriage) by ... Mukasey !!!

Mukasey got all choked up thinking of Israel - that with ANY telecom lawsuit the following will be BACK on front pages: It is a FACT that 95% of US telephone billing/directories/calling record for both land-lines and cell phones is handled by ONE private company, AMDOCS, with HQ in Tel Aviv suburb (that explains the real
purpose of telecoms ‘deregulation’: to give US $$ -and intelligence- to Israel in much bigger amounts, and ‘officially’). Which gives Israeli AMDOCS real-time access to nearly every telephone in the country, including records of phone calls.
The private info of US citizens regarding nearly EVERY single phone call is routed to Israel. Amdocs has been investigated on several occasions by the FBI and other law enforcement agencies, for suspected ties to the Israeli mafia, as well as to espionage for Sharon/Netanyahu govts.

In 1999, the National Security Agency issued a TOP SECRET/Sensitive Compartmentalized Information (TS/SCI) report, warning that all American phone records were getting into the hands of foreign governments—particularly the Israeli government. How does that help our national security?

Where/ how is our privacy protected here ?? Tapping into ALL to provide more info to Israel ? Why there is NOTHING done about keeping ALL of this real-time most sensitive INTELLIGENCE info in the US ??

Ask the AIPAC 5th column in the Kongre$$: LIEberman, Sweinstein, Boxer, Schumer, Hillary, Rahm Emanuel, Hoyer, etc, etc, etc..

joe mama @ 67:

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Glad you have kept your cover. Shows real courage.

Screw you too mike!

That is not actually what i said...

xoites Hussein (non typical white person) defends Constitution @ 70:

Andy K Jong Il @ 65:

AgentX @ 54:

You guys will have to tell me about the coverage, since I'm out of town.

So, does this prove the conspiracy theorists were right the whole time?

No.

If this story is true, it proves, however, that the Bush administration was incompetent at best, permissive at worst. If this is true, it proves nothing outside those perameters.

Once again-IF it is true. Because Mukasey might have simply lied for political reasons.

I think it is the latter. He knows he lied and we know he lied when he pretended FISA did not exist at the time he is refering to.

Shall we take bets? I bet it's both: the administration knew of a phone call from an Afghan safe house to the US warning of 9/11, but due to sheer incompetence didn't do anything. Mukasey let slip this tidbit in order to use it for political advantage. Whoops.

Leslie @ 73:

xoites Hussein (non typical white person) defends Constitution @ 70:

Andy K Jong Il @ 65:

AgentX @ 54:

No.

If this story is true, it proves, however, that the Bush administration was incompetent at best, permissive at worst. If this is true, it proves nothing outside those perameters.

Once again-IF it is true. Because Mukasey might have simply lied for political reasons.

I think it is the latter. He knows he lied and we know he lied when he pretended FISA did not exist at the time he is refering to.

Shall we take bets? I bet it's both: the administration knew of a phone call from an Afghan safe house to the US warning of 9/11, but due to sheer incompetence didn't do anything. Mukasey let slip this tidbit in order to use it for political advantage. Whoops.

typical bushco bot, let them talk and they eventually will let slip the grisly details on everything.
they are like the proverbial small child, to be seen and not allowed to talk.

The Bush Administration is incompetent? GMAFB!

Come on. Get real and look at the truth.

What Bush and The competent Neocons have accomplished...

Iraq War 2 (and probably Gulf War 1)
The deaths of almost 1 million Iraqis and displacement of refugees
Taken Iraqi oil off the market
Kept Iraq from opening non-US dollar bourse
Stacked the Supreme Court with Neocons with a cake-walk confirmation
Escaping justice for numerous domestic and International War crimes
Escaping impeachment with collusion of key Democrats (fellow CFR members)
Enriched war machine & Military Industrial Complex
Installed 2 Attorney Generals who would block investigations and supeaonas and ignore whistle-blowers
Gutted Habeas Corpus
Rationalized torture
Conveniently misplaced trillions (Sept 10th, 2001) and later billions of dollars
Reestablished record breaking opium production in Afghanistan
Implemented extraordinary rendition and secret torture camps
Manipulated - Stole 2000 and 2004 elections
Used hoaxed Niger Yellow-cake "evidence" with no political repercussions.
Lied about Iraqi WMD's
Lied about Jessica Lynch-Pat Tillman
Working on reigniting Russian-American Cold War (Russian bomber flights, etc)
Gutted independent officer corps
Christianization of the military
Massive expenditures for Chem-Bio, Space Weapons, Internet cybercorps
Intimidation (or willful cooperation) of Media & Business
Permanent military bases in Iraq
Passed Patriot Act after convenient Anthrax and Manchurian-style Sniper attacks
Passed Military Commissions Act
Massive debt to break government (and public)
Electronic surveillance and massive databases
Illegal warrantless wiretaps
First-rate mercenary force enriched and empowered
Broke Posse Comitatus precedent with Blackwater and US military domestic deployment
Blinding of America to Iranian nuclear program
Decimated New Orleans post-Katrina (dry-run for martial law)
Coopted Justice Department
Turned over key regulatory agencies to the foxes of industry (ex. Mining, Forestry)
Freed Scooter Libby with no political cost
Bankruptcy "reform"
No Child Left Behind and other Orwellian named govt initiatives
Garnered cooperation of fellow CFR and Trilateral Democrats to enable agenda
Unending blank checks from Congress
Convenient benefiting from a "New Pearl Harbor" that they were pleading for in their PNAC documents
Pulled a sham Investigation on 9-11 over on the public for a paltry $15 million

But the piece de resistance - Conning the American public that they are incompetent.

And you honestly believe that sacrificing 3000 civilians on 9/11 and an ongoing body count currently at 3900+ troops to achieve their goals is beyond them both ethically and logistically? Wake up.

What more do you want to qualify them as a success? Most people think they are incompetent because they are operating according to a different game-plan, or paradigm, than the normal person. Normal people wouldn't operate at this level of corruption and genuine evil. These people are expert Machiavellian psychopaths (with a strong dose of Straussian Noble Lie telling) and to attempt to associate normal behaviors to them is an exercise in futility. You absolutely CANNOT continue to believe that the administration is incompetent - they are completely competent and shocking us into accepting a fascist version of America (just like Prescott Bush and his cohorts in the financial elite and industrialists tried in the 1930s)

Machiavelli - who greatly influenced Strauss - laid out how the elites would/coopt any form of government they wanted:

He who desires or attempts to reform the government of a state, and wishes to have it accepted and capable of maintaining itself to the satisfaction of everybody, must at least retain the semblance of the old forms; so that it may seem to the people that there has been no change in the institutions, even though in fact they are entirely different from the old ones.

Machiavelli. Discourses on Livy

Democrats and Republicans - NEITHER are your friends.

ferrofluid @ 75:

Leslie @ 73:

xoites Hussein (non typical white person) defends Constitution @ 70:

Andy K Jong Il @ 65:

I think it is the latter. He knows he lied and we know he lied when he pretended FISA did not exist at the time he is refering to.

Shall we take bets? I bet it's both: the administration knew of a phone call from an Afghan safe house to the US warning of 9/11, but due to sheer incompetence didn't do anything. Mukasey let slip this tidbit in order to use it for political advantage. Whoops.

typical bushco bot, let them talk and they eventually will let slip the grisly details on everything.
they are like the proverbial small child, to be seen and not allowed to talk.

Alberto did the wiase thing even tho it seemed obtuse and evasive, he claimed amnesia 80 odd times during his appearance in Congress, he didnt trust his intellect and anything he said.
A classic case of liars and lies becoming so big they cant tell tell or trust their own framework.

mudshark @ 78:

truthbetold#77
4010 as of yesterday.

yeah, I know. I forgot to update the number b4 posting it.

mudshark @ 82:

Truth B Told @ 81:

mudshark @ 78:

truthbetold#77
4010 as of yesterday.

yeah, I know. I forgot to update the number b4 posting it.

you make a strong argument on this one.It's hard to believe that they're that stupid.Perhaps a little or a lot of both.

thanks.

If they were incompetent, you'd expect that the law of averages would come into play, and we'd get something actually to work for US once in a while...

but this does not appear to be the case.

CappuccettoRosso @ 69

This did stun me when I read it awhile ago, that the US gov would trust an outside company (not 100% US) to wire up Congress and DC itself,
let alone the US phone system.
I mean its basic government 101 to have a trusted secure internal telecoms system.
OK so there is big love for Israel in DC, with lots of congresscritters in love with lobbyists,
that doesnt mean that the basic US gov telecom system should be like swiss cheese, you can go too far in being a love struck teenager.
As church and state should be kept separate, so should lobby and state.

So is anyone else terrified of the implications if Mukasey is telling the truth?

SckofFknLiarz @ 84:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002/06/20/zero-day-usat.htm

Heard 9/10: 'Tomorrow is Zero Hour'
By John Diamond and Kathy Kiely, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Conversations intercepted the day before Sept. 11 caught al-Qaeda operatives boasting in Arabic, "The match begins tomorrow" and "Tomorrow is Zero Hour." But U.S. intelligence didn't translate them until Sept. 12, congressional and administration sources disclosed Wednesday. The failure of the National Security Agency to translate the conversations until the day after the terrorist attacks became the focus of an eight-hour closed hearing on Capitol Hill. Air Force Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden, head of the NSA, and CIA Director George Tenet told a House-Senate investigative committee that the intercepted communications were too vague to be of use, according to officials familiar with their testimony.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/06/20/911.warning/
The September 10 intercepts, details of which were provided to CNN on Wednesday, came from conversations in Arabic between individuals in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia that U.S. officials believe were connected to al Qaeda. The intercepts, however, were not analyzed until September 12, the day after terrorist attacks on New York and Washington killed more than 3,000 people.

This is old news and Yeah they are still tip toeing around the issue.We know in our gut what really happend.

No, reread what Maddow said:

Maddow:”…Oh please, just let him have just been lying, because if he was telling the truth here, if there really was a call from a known al Qaeda safe house in Afghanistan to the United States before 9/11 which the Bush Administration did not tap and trace? That is huge news and we ought to get some answers about why we were left so unprotected and surprised on 9/11. Let’s hope that he was just making that up.”

This isn't old news. If it's true, it's brand new and significant.

Ahlyssah @ 87:

So is anyone else terrified of the implications if Mukasey is telling the truth?

Terrified, no. If it's true, amazed and angered by the administration's ongoing incompetence and political manipulations.

Why are you terrified?

I really, really want to believe that this could FINALLY bring all of this to a head. The U.S. people need to know.

Leslie @ 89:

SckofFknLiarz @ 84:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002/06/20/zero-day-usat.htm

Heard 9/10: 'Tomorrow is Zero Hour'
By John Diamond and Kathy Kiely, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Conversations intercepted the day before Sept. 11 caught al-Qaeda operatives boasting in Arabic, "The match begins tomorrow" and "Tomorrow is Zero Hour." But U.S. intelligence didn't translate them until Sept. 12, congressional and administration sources disclosed Wednesday. The failure of the National Security Agency to translate the conversations until the day after the terrorist attacks became the focus of an eight-hour closed hearing on Capitol Hill. Air Force Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden, head of the NSA, and CIA Director George Tenet told a House-Senate investigative committee that the intercepted communications were too vague to be of use, according to officials familiar with their testimony.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/06/20/911.warning/
The September 10 intercepts, details of which were provided to CNN on Wednesday, came from conversations in Arabic between individuals in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia that U.S. officials believe were connected to al Qaeda. The intercepts, however, were not analyzed until September 12, the day after terrorist attacks on New York and Washington killed more than 3,000 people.

This is old news and Yeah they are still tip toeing around the issue.We know in our gut what really happend.

No, reread what Maddow said:

Maddow:”…Oh please, just let him have just been lying, because if he was telling the truth here, if there really was a call from a known al Qaeda safe house in Afghanistan to the United States before 9/11 which the Bush Administration did not tap and trace? That is huge news and we ought to get some answers about why we were left so unprotected and surprised on 9/11. Let’s hope that he was just making that up.”

This isn't old news. If it's true, it's brand new and significant.

Bingo!

A call to the USA, not Saudi Arabia.

Dammit, this thread dropped too late! I've gotta go to bed.

abarts @ 93:

I really, really want to believe that this could FINALLY bring all of this to a head. The U.S. people need to know.

America was glued to their TV sets when Condi testified to Congress that the August PDB, titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US," was a historical document.

So please don't hold your breath.

Speaking of which, one of the most nauseating things about that August PDB was the fact that the CIA knew almost nothing about al Qaeda's plans. Because there was very little substance in that PDB. It's not just that the administration was incompetent and negligent...but if they had shaken the intelligence tree, the CIA might've learned what the NSA, FBI and all the intelligence agencies had. 9/11 might've been prevented.

So, if as Mukasey claims, the administration was aware of an al Qaeda phone call from an Afghan safe house to the US, and they did nothing....

I want to scream.

Andy K Jong Il @ 90:

Truth B Told @ 80:

paranoia @ 76:

This is huge news! I don't know if the media other than Olberman will pick this up. If what Mulcasey says is found to be true, then we may have a world mass psychopath that let 3,000 people died for his personal agenda.

I have to wonder about what it was like to have Grandpa Prescott Bush raising a son and grandson, the same man who conspire to work with the Nazi and plan an coup to take over the country during the FDR years.

Letting the 9/11 plan of attack on our soil for a false flag would be the classic move of a fascist govt. For those that would claim Goodwins law on this would have a problem of the fact that Nazi from Germany were directly tied with the Bush family.

The apple didn't fall too far from the tree did it?

Don't forget to add the fact that CIA and the intelligence services were created from the ruins of the Nazi intelligence agencies after the war. General Gehlen anyone?

You are just brilliant, aren't you?

Nazi intelligence? You mean the same Nazi intelligance that allowed the Poles to sneak a fucking Enigma machine to the UK after the Nazi's occupied Poland? The same Nazi intelligence that had every single one of its agents in the UK turned on itself? The same Nazi intelligence units that allowed OSS agent Moe Berg- a fucking third string catcher!- get into Switzerland where he had the option of killing the head of the Nazi nuke program?

Don't even get me started on Admiral Canaris...

Canaris was a special case, the German navy uniquely used a four rotor enigma machine, they KNEW it was insecure but not how wide open it was.
They relied on security by obscurity and complexity, sounds good to laymen but wide open to machine cracking which was done by the 'bombe' and the first true computers.
I dont think every German agent in Britain was turned, there was the bombing by a lone raider of the Debenhams (dept store) underground aircraft factory in Bournemouth Square, they had to have had some intelligence of this satellite factory.
Likewise the aerial bombing of US troops stationed at one of the hotels in Bournemouth, my old local (pub) building was a modern post WW2 low rise two storey affair in a line of 5 storey buildings.
This is just two cases from my old home town on the south coast, pop 300,000

Truth B Told @ 96:

Andy K Jong Il @ 90:

Truth B Told @ 80:

paranoia @ 76:

The apple didn't fall too far from the tree did it?

Don't forget to add the fact that CIA and the intelligence services were created from the ruins of the Nazi intelligence agencies after the war. General Gehlen anyone?

You are just brilliant, aren't you?

Nazi intelligence? You mean the same Nazi intelligance that allowed the Poles to sneak a fucking Enigma machine to the UK after the Nazi's occupied Poland? The same Nazi intelligence that had every single one of its agents in the UK turned on itself? The same Nazi intelligence units that allowed OSS agent Moe Berg- a fucking third string catcher!- get into Switzerland where he had the option of killing the head of the Nazi nuke program?

Don't even get me started on Admiral Canaris...

I am aware of these incidents, and yes, there were some spectacular failures. But it was the US that rounded up these Nazi's (in a race with the Soviets) - not just rocket scientists, but crypto, radio, atomic, human medical research, and all sorts of multi-disciplined scientists - and they were folded into the US. And they were married into the US intelligence apparatus, and do Nazi's really give up their views? How about closeted Nazi's like Prescott was?

He wasn't exactly closeted.

What's happened now is very much like the plan Prescott and his business partners tried to enact during WWII.

The Bush family needs to be rounded up the treasonous war criminals they are.

They should have been rounded up in the beginning after WWII and while were at it dismantle the CIA so we can solve the malfeasance insurance for the agent. No more CIA, no need for malfeasance insurance.

Andy K Jong Il @ 106:

And closeted Nazis like Prescott Bush? What's that prove about the Nazi intelligence apparatus? Roosevelt knew what Bush was up to. Guess what- the Prince of Wales was a Nazi sympathizer, too, and everyone knew it. How did that influence the British intelligence services?

it upset the Soviet agents and sympathizers hidden in MI6 :)

alecia @ 34:

Let's not forget here that Mukasey was hand picked by Chuck Schumer...
It seems to me that Mukasey will shamelessly say anything that would benefit
his son who is an attorney for one of the telecom companies... To have an Attorney General who is using his post at the Justice Department to essentially lobby the country on behalf of his son's interest is beyond the pale and Chuck Schumer should put a stop to it...

And don`t forget Fienstien voted Mukasey in. Please don`t forget.

There probably was no call and if there was it was from Cheney to bush.

(Mukasey): Officials "shouldn't need a warrant when somebody with a phone in Iraq picks up a phone and calls somebody in the United States because that's the call that we may really want to know about. And before 9/11, that's the call that we didn't know about. We knew that there has been a call from someplace that was known to be a safe house in Afghanistan and we knew that it came to the United States. We didn't know precisely where it went."

When I saw this quote, the first thing that caught my eye was Mukasey getting Iraq and Afghanistan mixed up, as in his initial reference, "...somebody with a phone in Iraq...," before changing this to "...a call from someplace that was known to be a safe house in Afghanistan...."

Obviously Mukasey, like so many other gullible Republicans (and Faux News viewers), bought the Bush administration's lie that Iraq, and Saddam Hussein, were behind the 9/11 attacks, instead of the real culprits being hardcore, insane, cutthroat Islamicists trained in Afghanistan, many of whom were Saudi Arabian and led by Osama bin Laden, a Saudi Arabian.

Nice try Mukasey. At least you had the decency to correct your mistake later in your statement...although it would have been funny to see you repeat Iraq again, even though this would prove beyond a shadow of doubt that you are as delusional as the ones who nominated you to be Attorney General. This just shows that you're only half as delusional as they are.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4587368/

U.S. sought attack on al-Qaida
White House given plan days before Sept. 11

By Jim Miklaszewski and Alex Johnson
MSNBC and NBC News
WASHINGTON, May 16, 2002 - President Bush was expected to sign detailed plans for a worldwide war against al-Qaida two days before Sept. 11 but did not have the chance before the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, U.S. and foreign sources told NBC News.

The document, a formal National Security Presidential Directive, amounted to a “game plan to remove al-Qaida from the face of the earth,” one of the sources told NBC News’ Jim Miklaszewski.

The plan dealt with all aspects of a war against al-Qaida, ranging from diplomatic initiatives to military operations in Afghanistan, the sources said on condition of anonymity.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/1967.shtml

FBI & BUSH ADMINISTRATION SUED OVER ANTHRAX DOCUMENTS

Judicial Watch Wants to Know Why White House Went on Cipro Beginning September 11th

What Was Known and When?

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, said today that it has filed lawsuits against the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), the Department of Health and Human Services (“HHS”), the Center for Disease Control (“CDC”), the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (“USAMRIID”) and the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) for those agencies’ failures to produce documents concerning the terrorist anthrax attacks of October 2001, under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (“FOIA”).

Judicial Watch has additional anthrax-related FOIA requests pending with the White House and other government agencies that will see legal action in the next two weeks.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/

(CNN) -- The Bush administration began planning to use U.S. troops to invade Iraq within days after the former Texas governor entered the White House three years ago, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill told CBS News' 60 Minutes.

"From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," O'Neill told CBS, according to excerpts released Saturday by the network. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap."

SckofFknLiarz @ 116:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/25/afghanistan.anthrax

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said he would not divulge details of the drugs the president had taken or the state of his health because it would give information to terrorists.

At least some White House personnel were given Cipro on the night of the September 11 attacks. Staff accompanying vice president Dick Cheney as he was spirited off to the safety of Camp David were given the drug as "a precaution". Officials will not discuss who might be receiving the antibiotic now.

Oh wow. That was one piece of information I had not read.

Is it making since now to some people?

Oh brother, what a giant crock of rightwing neo-nut horseshit! Where are the phone records? It's well known that the high command--I mean the whitewash house was storing records of our calls as well as the content of the calls well before 911. These coward sons of bitchs are a lot worse than any fucking nazis I ever heard of! If we don't turn things around this election it will take the spilling of blood to ever restore our country. It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Isn't it amazing the extent to which this administration and anyone associated with this administration continues to blatantly lie and obfuscate to cover their sorry butts. Will daylight ever be shed on any of this corruption? I'd like to see the truth come out and these incompetent crooks held accountable. I don't care if it's 5-10 years from now. How does Bush manage to find so many toadies willing to toss aside the Constitution and rule of law just to protect him?

Hilarity. The shrub co. crime family sends one of their fear mongering sponge minions out to ramp up the scare and end up getting caught between a lie and criminally negligent incompetence [or worse, deliberate treason].

Too bad there's no real legal system any more or someone might want to look further into this. As it stands the barbie doll that plays the part of 'press secretary' will insist no one ask any questions about it and the press will move on to the latest celebutard scandal.

Truth B Told @ 77:

The Bush Administration is incompetent? GMAFB!

Come on. Get real and look at the truth.

What Bush and The competent Neocons have accomplished...

Iraq War 2 (and probably Gulf War 1)
The deaths of almost 1 million Iraqis and displacement of refugees
Taken Iraqi oil off the market
Kept Iraq from opening non-US dollar bourse
Stacked the Supreme Court with Neocons with a cake-walk confirmation
Escaping justice for numerous domestic and International War crimes
Escaping impeachment with collusion of key Democrats (fellow CFR members)
Enriched war machine & Military Industrial Complex
Installed 2 Attorney Generals who would block investigations and supeaonas and ignore whistle-blowers
Gutted Habeas Corpus
Rationalized torture
Conveniently misplaced trillions (Sept 10th, 2001) and later billions of dollars
Reestablished record breaking opium production in Afghanistan
Implemented extraordinary rendition and secret torture camps
Manipulated - Stole 2000 and 2004 elections
Used hoaxed Niger Yellow-cake "evidence" with no political repercussions.
Lied about Iraqi WMD's
Lied about Jessica Lynch-Pat Tillman
Working on reigniting Russian-American Cold War (Russian bomber flights, etc)
Gutted independent officer corps
Christianization of the military
Massive expenditures for Chem-Bio, Space Weapons, Internet cybercorps
Intimidation (or willful cooperation) of Media & Business
Permanent military bases in Iraq
Passed Patriot Act after convenient Anthrax and Manchurian-style Sniper attacks
Passed Military Commissions Act
Massive debt to break government (and public)
Electronic surveillance and massive databases
Illegal warrantless wiretaps
First-rate mercenary force enriched and empowered
Broke Posse Comitatus precedent with Blackwater and US military domestic deployment
Blinding of America to Iranian nuclear program
Decimated New Orleans post-Katrina (dry-run for martial law)
Coopted Justice Department
Turned over key regulatory agencies to the foxes of industry (ex. Mining, Forestry)
Freed Scooter Libby with no political cost
Bankruptcy "reform"
No Child Left Behind and other Orwellian named govt initiatives
Garnered cooperation of fellow CFR and Trilateral Democrats to enable agenda
Unending blank checks from Congress
Convenient benefiting from a "New Pearl Harbor" that they were pleading for in their PNAC documents
Pulled a sham Investigation on 9-11 over on the public for a paltry $15 million

But the piece de resistance - Conning the American public that they are incompetent.

And you honestly believe that sacrificing 3000 civilians on 9/11 and an ongoing body count currently at 3900+ troops to achieve their goals is beyond them both ethically and logistically? Wake up.

What more do you want to qualify them as a success? Most people think they are incompetent because they are operating according to a different game-plan, or paradigm, than the normal person. Normal people wouldn't operate at this level of corruption and genuine evil. These people are expert Machiavellian psychopaths (with a strong dose of Straussian Noble Lie telling) and to attempt to associate normal behaviors to them is an exercise in futility. You absolutely CANNOT continue to believe that the administration is incompetent - they are completely competent and shocking us into accepting a fascist version of America (just like Prescott Bush and his cohorts in the financial elite and industrialists tried in the 1930s)

Machiavelli - who greatly influenced Strauss - laid out how the elites would/coopt any form of government they wanted:

He who desires or attempts to reform the government of a state, and wishes to have it accepted and capable of maintaining itself to the satisfaction of everybody, must at least retain the semblance of the old forms; so that it may seem to the people that there has been no change in the institutions, even though in fact they are entirely different from the old ones.

Machiavelli. Discourses on Livy

Democrats and Republicans - NEITHER are your friends.

Great post and I agree with almost everything you say. Except I truly do think that George W. Bush is an idiot fool. He's basically the dull stooge that the neocons trot out in front of the camera. He's just enough of a cranky dry drunk to appeal to 30% of the U.S. population. The real evil brains are behind him.

Oh, and non-officials saying "The FISA court already allowed that" is entirely useless. If you're not going to quote the specifics of the law, then STFU. I don't want to hear anyone's "summation" of legal authority, I want to know what the law says. Anyone who prefers to argue based on their own interpretation of the law and avoids showing the text of the law is not very useful in the process of getting a clear understanding of the issue.

AConfederacyofDunces @ 122:

MountainMan23 @ 31:

OMG!!

9-11 Conspiracy Talk by Olbermann & Maddow ???

.. at long last ..

The truth will out.

Already did:
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/lies/

mudshark @ 59:

AgentX @ 54:

You guys will have to tell me about the coverage, since I'm out of town.

So, does this prove the conspiracy theorists were right the whole time?

I don't think this proves any conspiracy theory's, but it does prove this admin's gross negligence and their self rightous indignation with regards to 9/11. Incompetent boobs.

mudshark @ 59:

AgentX @ 54:

You guys will have to tell me about the coverage, since I'm out of town.

So, does this prove the conspiracy theorists were right the whole time?

I don't think this proves any conspiracy theory's, but it does prove this admin's gross negligence and their self rightous indignation with regards to 9/11. Incompetent boobs.

What? You cant see the writing on the walls? You've be VERY afraid to know the truth.

I despise this weaselly little mother-fucker almost as much as I hate that bastard Bush. This cocksucker needs to be waterboarded over and over again, right to the brink of death.I hope these assholes are all brought to justice And btw Chimpster, you can smirk and swagger all you want but I know that sooner or later, karma will catch up with you and all your criminal buddies. Karma works s-o-o-o much better than GOD.God-what a joke.I can't believe that Bush was able to tell the religious crazies that God told him to invade Iraq. When I did believe that non-sense, the one thing that I did come away with( before I became an atheist) was that God doesn't say ANYTHING about killing anyone ever, no matter what. He certainly doesn't condone killing Muslims or any other religious groups-EVER!!! If I thought that he did go for killing people, I'd have become a non-believer years ago.If these assholes in the chimp's administration truly believe in God they are truly going to burn in Hell.But no, they don't believe any more than I do. They just like to dupe these religious nit-wits in order to get their votes. pretty slick,huh?

"...the PNAC blueprint of September 2000 states that the process of transforming the US into "tomorrow's dominant force" is likely to be a long one in the absence of "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor". The 9/11 attacks allowed the US to press the "go" button for a strategy in accordance with the PNAC agenda which it would otherwise have been politically impossible to implement." Michael Meacher

On February 26, 2001, Paul Bremer said of the administration, quote, "What they will do is stagger along until there’s a major incident and then suddenly say, ‘Oh my God, shouldn’t we be organized to deal with this?"

SCANDAL!

One only needs to pull back and overview all the evidence before and after 2001. It becomes clear who,what,when,where why. Cui bono? Who had the juice to keep things underwraps. Who had the juice to control investigation? Who had the juice to control msn? Who had the power to impound and hold evidence and or get rid it? Look at who got what they wanted and what kind of money was stashed away by whom, Look at who said that what they needed most was a pearl harbor incident. The pnac letter was a plan not a wish list! read it like this---Plan for a new american century! We do not need to know every little fact, and should not let ourselves be be split by details. Look at whole picture, look at all the paths and actions taken by key people. And look very close at the 20 min time period after the first plane hit. We don't see no stinking false flag. yea right.

Mukassey is a corrupt scumbag. If his decision on the bench were as twisted and corrupt as he's shown himself to be since becomeing the AG, all his decisions while on the bench are going to have to be reviewed by competent authority and reversed or thrown out as needed.

What a fucking scumbag.

I'd just like to say two things in this thread, since everyone knows my views on that fateful day.

1. Despite the official site ban on bringing up the truth, a number of you not only believe the truth now but discuss it in a rational, intelligent way, that avoids the site ban. You guys are a credit to the site.

2. Despite the official ban on speaking of the truth, John, Nicole, and all the rest of the C&L staff have been very lenient and tolerant in allowing this discussion if done right. Thanks a lot for this and for everything else you do for us.

And for those of you in column 1 who get frustrated - it's been 45 years since the JFK assassination and we're STILL fighting to get the truth about that out. We must be resolved and patient. History WILL show Bush and Cheney to be the masterminds, I guarantee it.

TOtommy gun@141 Bravo well said and " atta boys "to the site monitors! Damn I will be pissed off if I die before justice is served upon these filthy rats! Make me god for a day and watch the hellfire flow! BBQ anyone?

AConfederacyofDunces @ 144:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 136:

Truth B Told @ 77:

The Bush Administration is incompetent? GMAFB!

Come on. Get real and look at the truth.

What Bush and The competent Neocons have accomplished...

Iraq War 2 (and probably Gulf War 1)
The deaths of almost 1 million Iraqis and displacement of refugees
Taken Iraqi oil off the market
Kept Iraq from opening non-US dollar bourse
Stacked the Supreme Court with Neocons with a cake-walk confirmation
Escaping justice for numerous domestic and International War crimes
Escaping impeachment with collusion of key Democrats (fellow CFR members)
Enriched war machine & Military Industrial Complex
Installed 2 Attorney Generals who would block investigations and supeaonas and ignore whistle-blowers
Gutted Habeas Corpus
Rationalized torture
Conveniently misplaced trillions (Sept 10th, 2001) and later billions of dollars
Reestablished record breaking opium production in Afghanistan
Implemented extraordinary rendition and secret torture camps
Manipulated - Stole 2000 and 2004 elections
Used hoaxed Niger Yellow-cake "evidence" with no political repercussions.
Lied about Iraqi WMD's
Lied about Jessica Lynch-Pat Tillman
Working on reigniting Russian-American Cold War (Russian bomber flights, etc)
Gutted independent officer corps
Christianization of the military
Massive expenditures for Chem-Bio, Space Weapons, Internet cybercorps
Intimidation (or willful cooperation) of Media & Business
Permanent military bases in Iraq
Passed Patriot Act after convenient Anthrax and Manchurian-style Sniper attacks
Passed Military Commissions Act
Massive debt to break government (and public)
Electronic surveillance and massive databases
Illegal warrantless wiretaps
First-rate mercenary force enriched and empowered
Broke Posse Comitatus precedent with Blackwater and US military domestic deployment
Blinding of America to Iranian nuclear program
Decimated New Orleans post-Katrina (dry-run for martial law)
Coopted Justice Department
Turned over key regulatory agencies to the foxes of industry (ex. Mining, Forestry)
Freed Scooter Libby with no political cost
Bankruptcy "reform"
No Child Left Behind and other Orwellian named govt initiatives
Garnered cooperation of fellow CFR and Trilateral Democrats to enable agenda
Unending blank checks from Congress
Convenient benefiting from a "New Pearl Harbor" that they were pleading for in their PNAC documents
Pulled a sham Investigation on 9-11 over on the public for a paltry $15 million

But the piece de resistance - Conning the American public that they are incompetent.

And you honestly believe that sacrificing 3000 civilians on 9/11 and an ongoing body count currently at 3900+ troops to achieve their goals is beyond them both ethically and logistically? Wake up.

What more do you want to qualify them as a success? Most people think they are incompetent because they are operating according to a different game-plan, or paradigm, than the normal person. Normal people wouldn't operate at this level of corruption and genuine evil. These people are expert Machiavellian psychopaths (with a strong dose of Straussian Noble Lie telling) and to attempt to associate normal behaviors to them is an exercise in futility. You absolutely CANNOT continue to believe that the administration is incompetent - they are completely competent and shocking us into accepting a fascist version of America (just like Prescott Bush and his cohorts in the financial elite and industrialists tried in the 1930s)

Machiavelli - who greatly influenced Strauss - laid out how the elites would/coopt any form of government they wanted:

He who desires or attempts to reform the government of a state, and wishes to have it accepted and capable of maintaining itself to the satisfaction of everybody, must at least retain the semblance of the old forms; so that it may seem to the people that there has been no change in the institutions, even though in fact they are entirely different from the old ones.

Machiavelli. Discourses on Livy

Democrats and Republicans - NEITHER are your friends.

Dude...I'm goin to print this if it's ok...and put it everywhere!

As I say, the truth will out (to the wider audience).

...

even if the truth were told, americans would disbelieve it!!