Flashback: McCain voted against MLK Day in 1983
By John Amato Tuesday Apr 01, 2008 12:01pmI was talking to Howie Klein a couple of day ago about the anniversary of MLK's "I Have A Dream I remembered that McCain voted against the proposed national holiday back in 1983.
In a Feb. 9 "Hardball" interview with Chris Matthews, McCain compared his evolution to that of one of his political heroes, former Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater. "I believe that Barry Goldwater, to start with, regretted his vote on the 1964 Civil Rights Act," McCain said. "I think that Barry grew, like all of us grow and evolve. In 1983, when I was brand-new in the Congress, I voted against the recognition of Dr. Martin Luther King. That was a mistake, OK? And later I had the chance to ... help fight for ... the recognition of Dr. Martin Luther King as a holiday in my state."
Just think about the fact that he voted against the holiday to begin with. What does that tell you about him and his views of race in America? Why did it matter to him that he was brand spanking new to Congress when he denied MLK his rightful day of celebration? He brings up Goldwater in 64 as some sort of wingnut justification. Well, he had almost twenty years to think about it by then and he still voted against MLK day. I'm glad Sam Stein caught this too and wrote a good piece on it.
In 1983, McCain voted against passing a bill to designate the third Monday of every January as a federal holiday in honor of King. Four years later, then-Arizona Governor Evan Mecham rescinded Martin Luther King Day as a state holiday, saying it had been established through an illegal executive order by his Democratic predecessor.
McCain said he thought Mecham was correct in his decision.
Two years after that, McCain's viewpoint began to change, but only gradually. In 1989, he urged lawmakers to make Martin Luther King Jr. day a state holiday, but said he was "still opposed to another federal holiday."
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Of course he did.
[sinks into a slump in chair]
he was against the holiday before he was for it
Yeah, but he flip-flopped on the issue when his paleo-racism became politically unpopular. This, to McCain, is "integrity."
we kill all the good people
give them a day?
no!!!!
MLK had issues but he was truly great...unlike McCain
We aren't ready for people that want peace and love!
Who cares!? We need to talk more about Obama's former minister!
I would happily trade a lip-service holiday for, oh say... equal treatment before the law.
That being said, Fuck McCain.
Hows ur' finances doing.
What a total bastard McBain is...he is full of fecal matter.
I remember this case - if I'm not mistaken the city of Phoenix lost the privilege of hosting the Super Bowl that year - I know, big deal...
Looking at myself 25 years ago, I don't like that either.
Important to focus on the problems with McCain the way he is today. We'll learn a lot more about that if the general election campaign ever begins.
/looking at McCain 25 years ago, he was 46 years old.
McCain claims that he has "evolved" from voting against the MLK holiday in 1983. My question for John McCain is "evolved" from WHAT to WHAT? Talk about an "empty" speech!
You know, each time someone brings up Reverend Wright to Senator Obama, he should ask them (if they are a member of the media), if they are going to look into those crazy pastors that McCain has supported the endorsement from.
Now as for McCain, I would like to know now from African-American Republicans why they would vote for McCain? I'm not saying they should vote against their own party necessarily, but why vote for this man who only seemed to change his mind about honoring the memory of the greatest figure in the Civil Rights movement, after it became politically popular for him to do so?
In the latest stop on his biographical trip down memory lane, presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain returned to his old high school in Alexandria, Virginia. As it turns out, that may have been an odd choice for a man trying to reintroduce himself to the American people. Years after leaving the august halls of Episcopal High School, John McCain became a Baptist.
Even more curious is McCain's shifting positions when it comes what he religion now considers himself to be. In June 2007, McClatchy reported, "McCain still calls himself an Episcopalian." But as the 2008 South Carolina approached, McCain had a change of heart as he appealed to the Palmetto's State's massive evangelical base. By September 2007, McCain announced he had in fact switched teams: "It plays a role in my life. By the way, I'm not Episcopalian. I'm Baptist."
For the details, see:
"New Baptist John McCain Returns to His Old Episcopal High School."
Let's not play the race card.
Dr. Hussien Matt @ 5:
and he's BLACK!...and his middle name is Hussein!!!!
Brettster @ 14:
Specially when the Pretzelnit and the GOP nominee for Pretzelnit both aren't playing with a full deck.
There shouldn't be any holidays recognizing individuals by name including MLK or anyone else. Our holidays should recognize qualities such as peace, equality, service, etc. rather than personalities.
Liberal AND Proud @ 16:
My Happy Meal is short a few fries an a lead-coated toy.
Liberal AND Proud @ 15:
AND he's secretly a muslim (who went to a christian church for years as a cover) who wants to convert all our white women to Islam....and did I mention he's BLACK!!!
Reach.
Actually what it tells me is that in '83 he voted the way his constituents wanted him to. Which, like him or not, is what a legislator is supposed to do. AZ and NH were the last two states to adopt MLK Day. Not sure but I think NH still calls it Civil Rights Day and hasn't officially adopted MLK Day as of yet.
Brettster @ 14:
Don't jump to defense conclusions. McCain should NOT be allowed to give vague answers to a vote that was very important to many Americans. And if he "evolved" from something, I'd like to know what he WAS and now IS and why.
GOP line is that brown people are irrelevant and that the only real Americans are whites.
I don't know. While there's plenty of reasons to go after McCain, I don't think that his admitting racist tendencies and changing them is a valid one. Most of us (including those on the left) have latent, racist attitudes as part of our makeup. It's only by confronting and rejecting these attitudes that this problem can be addressed.
Mc100yearwar would jump at the chance to vote for a GWB day.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 19:
And he can't bowl, but can play basketball very well!
Dr. Hussien Matt @ 25:
A holiday for the intellectually deficient?
dennis @ 20:
Aaahahahahahahaha!!!! No more than the Obama/Wright bullshit.
i'm sure the msm will ignore this too....
Samson- @ 29:
Of course, they rather cover "flashbacks" of Hillary and Obama's former minister.
McCain says he's "evolved" since 1983? I thought evolution was only a theory.
fiver @ 24:
I love these philosophical thoughts on racial understanding now. Where were you deep thinkers when Obama was being slammed as a racist three weeks ago? At least Obama explained his thoughts on race. Give the old man a pass, I guess.
Dr. Hussien Matt @ 30:
and bowling... nothing more important than a candidate's bowling score. now, i want to see who throws the best bocce ball, then i will know who to vote for.
what is this 1957?
I'm glad someone brought this up / is looking in to it, as I was listening to Public Enemy's "By the Time I get to Arizona" the other day and wonderded..."Hmmm...I wonder where McCain stood on this whole MLK holiday issue back in the day......"
This, of course, would be a particularly tricky issue to pursue if Obama is the nominee.
Samson- @ 33:
I prefer pétanque.
Ah yes, McCain changed his political mind back in the day. He's a man of change. He's the exact opposite of GW.
The only change McCain can make that would benefit society is if he changed his overloaded diaper.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 31:
So he's theoretically evolved since 1983
Left&Left @ 28:
That only went back 20 years, L&L!
Aside from that, I don't read too much other than here so I'm not all that much up to speed on the Obama/Wright bullshit other than people telling me he was mostly right and I'm only seeing cherry-picked snippets. What else do I need to know?
There is only one question people need to ask themselves when they go to the voting booth in November.
ARE YOU BETTER OFF NOW THAN YOU WERE 8 YEARS AGO?
If your answer is "yes", then there is blood on your hands.
If your answer is "no", then you're like most Americans struggling with skyrocketing costs of living and a drastically devalued dollar.
Did McCain vote against a federal MLK-Day because he was anti-MLK (or anti Black Civil Rights) or because he was against federal holidays in general?
Liberal AND Proud @ 15:
and he can't bowl!
In my state, MLK day was completely ignored until they also designated it Robert E. Lee day. Racism is alive and well in the south!
Dr. Acula @ 41:
Donny, who loved bowling...
fiver @ 27:
No, the morally corrupt
Samson- @ 33:
How about a rousing game of croquet? Or Jarts, jarts is probably better because there is always the threat of someone being mortally wounded.
Figures. What do you expect? he's a bigot and proud of it unless he needs you. McCain as president? He's whacked, clinically diminished mentally, and just a very, very poor choice. Ah, but in a America anyone has a chance. Even the people's politician. I believe he's got dementia already. Besides those problems he's fine.
Peace, brandon
"denied MLK his rightful day of celebration?"
When do I get my "rightful day of celebration?"
Who cares if McCain voted for some silly holiday 30 years ago?? We have bigger thing to worry about...
chris @ 47:
Please enlighten us chris...
BobD @ 21:
Well.....legislator's can also lead and show the electorate where they are wrong or ill-informed. And I don't mean to deny you the importance of your quote - you do raise a valid point. Still, he is running to be the "leader" of the nation so being able to point to instances in the past where he challenged the status quo would be a good thing for him.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 48:
Don't hold yer breath, lib.
Come on people, in 1987 McCain was only 47 years old. Can't we forgive and forget a youthful mistake?
chris @ 47:
It says a lot about his character, since this issue was a total ethical no-brainer. Was there any good reason for voting against a day honoring MLK?
BobD @ 21:
Legislators are supposed to provide moral leadership sometimes. If a majority of voters in a country wanted to castrate the "mentally deficient" and throw atheists in prison, would it be a legislator's duty to vote for such things?
By The Time I Get To Arizona
by Public Enemy
I'm countin' down to the day deservin'
Fittin' for a king
I'm waitin' for the time when I can
Get to Arizona
'Cause my money's spent on
The goddamn rent
Neither party is mine not the
Jackass or the elephant
20.000 nig niggy nigas in the corner
Of the cell block but they come
From California
Population none in the desert and sun
Wit' a gun cracker
Runnin' things under his thumb
Starin' hard at the postcards
Isn't it odd and unique?
Seein' people smile wild in the heat
120 degree
'Cause I wanna be free
What's a smilin' fact
When the whole state's racist
Why want a holiday F--k it 'cause I wanna
So what if I celebrate it standin' on a corner
I ain't drinkin' no 40
I B thinkin' time wit' a nine
Until we get some land
Call me the trigger man
Looki lookin' for the governor
Huh he ain't lovin' ya
But here to trouble ya
He's rubbin' ya wrong
Get the point come along
An he can get to the joint
I urinated on the state
While I was kickin' this song
Yeah, he appear to be fair
The cracker over there
He try to keep it yesteryear
The good ol' days
The same ol' ways
That kept us dyin'
Yes, you me myself and I'ndeed
What he need is a nosebleed
Read between the lines
Then you see the lie
Politically planned
But understand that's all she wrote
When we see the real side
That hide behind the vote
They can't understand why he the man
I'm singin' 'bout a king
They don't like it
When I decide to mike it
Wait I'm waitin' for the date
For the man who demands respect
'Cause he was great c'mon
I'm on the one mission
To get a politician
To honor or he's a gonner
By the time I get to Arizona
I got 25 days to do it
If a wall in the sky
Just watch me go thru it
'Cause I gotta do what I gotta do
PE number one
Gets the job done
When it's done and over
Was because I drove'er
Thru all the static
Not stick but automatic
That's the way it is
He gotta get his
Talin' MLK
Gonna find a way
Make the state pay
Lookin' for the day
Hard as it seems
This ain't no damn dream
Gotta know what I mean
It's team against team
Catch the light beam
So I pray
I pray everyday
I do and praise jah the maker
Lookin' for culture
I got but not here
From jah maker
Pushin' and shakin' the structure
Bringin' down the babylon
Hearin' the sucker
That make it hard for the brown
The hard Boulova
I need now
More than ever now
Who's sittin' on my freedah'
Opressor people beater
Piece of the pick
We picked a piece
Of land that we deservin' now
Reparation a piece of the nation
And damn he got the nerve
Another niga they say and classify
We want too much
My peep plus the whole nine is mine
Don't think I even double dutch
Here's a brother my attitude hit 'em
Hang 'em high
Blowin' up the 90s started tickin' 86
When the blind get a mind
Better start and earn while we sing it
Now
There will be the day we know those down and who will go
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 48:
Th War, Health Care, size of government, Taxes, we don't have time to worry about what happened back in the day on some diversity issue...
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 8:
He's Mr. Hankie (sp?) the singing turd that shows up at Christmas on South Park...
Grandpa would have rather voted for a holiday for his good friend, Steven Douglas.
chris @ 55:
So Monica and Rev. Wright are off the table too. Right?
Gimme a break. teh same people complaining about this are the same type that liek to espouse at great length about how Christmas has lost it's meaning.....yet dont go to Christmas service.
MLK was a great man, but the holiday is a weak symbol of his greatness. No more. This is as much a non issue as Obama's church leanings.
Bernake talks recession today, but hey, McCain didnt vote for MLK day!
:-)
I'm guessing his views "evolved" when it became politically expedient to do so.
I don't think this guy has any real convictions.He's simply another self serving opportunist.
Liberal AND Proud @ 58:
I would hope so, although their might be something with the Rev Right thing, have you read what this man has said?
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 19:
Oh my. I never heard about this on FOX. It does not matter much. He might even be a hero to some for not voting for MLK holiday. You know who you are. The same morons that are still chewing on the Wright bone and muslum stuff. Even though the meat is gone they keep chewing on it because they have nothing else to eat. Get a life!!!
"You know who you are. The same morons that are still chewing on the Wright bone and muslum stuff. Even though the meat is gone they keep chewing on it because they have nothing else to eat. Get a life!!!"
They've "evolved" into the Wright-wing.
*groan*
Left&Left @ 32:
Wow. Feel like insulting someone today? I'm not really sure who "you people" are supposed to mean, or even how to respond to this nonsense. If your referring to the Rev. Wright flap, i never had a problem with anything said by Obama or Wright. The way I saw it: if you are a black man of Rev. Wright's age and experience and you are not angry, then you haven't been paying attention.
So, I'm sorry for my "deep thinking." It was obviously way beyond your adolescent "us vs. them" framework. Have a nice day. :)
Has he "evolved" to the point of not calling Asians "gooks"?
That was only eight years ago.
chris @ 55:
Its amazing what we selectively choose what not to worry about.
That vote is inconsequential, he could have been against the holiday for non racist reasons. There are plenty of flaws to point out on him for without having to scrutinize his congressional votes on holidays.
chris @ 61:
no, i haven't, is wright running for president?
if not, i couldn't give 2 shits.
BuddyGoodness @ 67:
Then McCain should explain what those reasons were.
chris @ 61:
Frankly, who gives a shit. He ain't running for President.
I'm a Obama supporter, but I think this is a unfair attack against John McCain at this point. He's acknowledged that he had a weakness in character and that vote was one of his biggest mistakes. I'd be a hypocrite to use this vote against this guy if I'm still with Obama who still supports Reverend Wright.
But he hasn't apologized for his vote against the Iraq War and supporting the Bush tax cuts....which is why McCain won't get my vote if Obama is the Democratic nominee.
Liberal AND Proud @ 70:
You beat me to it, Samson.
I think should start posting quotes from Sen. Grandpa and his potenial running mates...Mike UpcHuckabee and Shit Onmey.
Liberal AND Proud @ 70:
fiver @ 64:
Where in my paragraph did I refer to anyone as "you people"? I clearly wasn't speaking of you when I mentioned deep thinking.
Drats, he's already given a fancy, high-fallutin speech on race relations to divert attention away from this earth-shattering development. He's always one step ahead of us... one of these days I swear, we'll find something but good.
Statement by John McCain On Martin Luther King Jr. Day, 2008
“Today, we join as Americans to celebrate the legacy of Dr. King and to promote our common belief, the self-evident truth that we are all created equal.
It was more than just symbolism for Dr. King to stand in the shadow of Abraham Lincoln and invoke the words of our Declaration of Independence as he spoke of his dream.
He was calling on America to fulfill the magnificent promises of the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution, promises first articulated by Jefferson, and forged in the fires of our Civil War.
There is no greater testament to the legacy of Dr. King than millions of freedom loving people, from the streets of Burma to polling stations in Iraq, who continue to pursue freedom and justice as he did. On this day of remembrance, we honor Dr. King best by honoring his vision for racial harmony and continuing the worldwide struggle for those values for which Dr. King fought so courageously.”
Left&Left @ 74:
Sorry, by "you people" I meant "you deep thinkers" as was obvious (I thought) from the quoted language. As for my clear incapacity for "deep thought," after careful consideration and in-depth evaluation of the situation, my shallow brain has determined that you are not worth any more of my time. Have a nice day. :)
chris @ 61:
McCain: Don't pay attention to what I did 25 years ago! Pay attention to what I did 40 years ago!
chris @ 61:
Who cares what Wright said as long as Obama isn't blindly following it. I DON'T think this is like an evangelical church where if the pastor said that GWB was the second coming of Christ, the congregation would believe it (I think most already do). If someone has proof that Obama takes Wright's every word as the gospel truth then bring it forward or drop the issue. Obama's running for president, not Wright.
I'm sick of the Monica thing. Seriously, it's ten years old, get over it. We all know Bill Clinton likes BJs by now. That said, I don't want HRC to be president. The fact that she was for and against NAFTA at the same time is a big problem. Just give us a straight answer for once. Of course Obama wasn't THAT much clearer on the issue.
Oh sh*t, duck! We're taking fire!!!
Oh, and I actually agree with this jackass, SORT OF. Congress spends WAY too much time on issues like national holidays, declaring a national give yourself an enema month, et cetera, instead of doing their real jobs, like oversight. If they'd actually do their job, we wouldn't be living inches away from a fascist dictatorship.
Loonie Lefty (not dennis) @ 75:
You gotta hand it to Angry Grandpa: when he flip-flops, he does it with classsss.
Hey, did you know he was a POW too?
Rusty America Shackleford @ 78:
LOL! Beautifully put.
That is another thing that makes him an ass, but it won't hurt him with Republicans.
greg @ 77:
Famous Refrains
Liberals back in the day:
Oh wow, look at the colors, the colors!
Conservatives:
Oh wow, look at the colords, the colords!
Rusty America Shackleford @ 78:
my fav comment so far today, thanks for that.
Liberal AND Proud @ 58:
They're lovers?
right on! @ 56:
LMAO!!! I'm pretty sure that Mr. Hankie, the Christmas Poo, is a a libertarian...or maybe even...*dah daah DAAAH* a republican! So you may be onto something!
Chris @ 79:
chris @ 83:
Aaaah stupid fingers! Type more better!
I read what the rev. said, some of it was dead on, some of it...not so much. I just wish that any religious figure was NOT part of any political campaign in this country. Gettin sick of the churchies pushin their beliefs on everyone...
chris @ 47:
Yes, we have to worry about herr dubyah's failing/failed economy, war, presidency, and morals.
chris @ 73:
Ron Paul is no longer running for president.
Samson- @ 85:
LMAO!!! Good one Rusty!
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 88:
YEAAA *hugs* you've seen the light, now lets work together to get a flat tax, get government out of health care and education, deregulate so the private sector can create jobs!
greg @ 89:
Is the 1983 debate over the new holiday where the slogan
Got MLK? came from?
Many people (90 congressmen and 22 senators) voted against the holiday for a variety of reasons. It is certainly possible to think of King as a great man and a hero while at the same time recognizing his flaws. I don't see why it is necessarily racist to vote against making his birthday a federal holiday. Where do you draw the line? JFK? FDR? Jefferson?
That being said, I despise McCain.
chris @ 94:
Herr dubyah already has deregulated and has proved that it takes away jobs. Next.
....... I don't think you should be talking about white males having thin skin either...
Just what the fuck is that supposed to mean Chris?
chris @ 95:
Why are you holding Wright accountable for anything when you and your reich-wingers refuse to hold herr dubyah and the GOPigs accountable for 8 years of their failures?
Come on...people do change. While i am not a McCain fan, i think this is reaching too far. This was almost 20 years ago...let's stick with his current shennanigans.......there are plenty of those....
Dr. Hussien Matt @ 98:
Yeah...And McBain wants to FURTHER deregulate...no thanks.
The repugs have proven that this does not work for the good of the people...but hey, since when have these elitist fucks EVER given a damn about us peasants?
BPC @ 97:
True, and McCain said that his opposition wasn't based on racism but on opposition to the loathsome principle of another federal holiday. Which is why he also voted against Christmas.
Dr. Hussien Matt @ 100:
Ding ding ding!!! Yeah Chris, 'splain that little nugget of hypocrisy.
Rusty America Shackleford @ 103:
Does BOR know that McBain is against Xmas?
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 99:
I don't like when you use the "f" word, anyway, white male are the most discriminated group their is.. No Special Scholarships, days, events, not allowed to respond to any jokes or comments made about em etc.....
Ben @ 101:
As much fun as this is, I actually agree with you. We need to be sure that everybody understands that McCain wants our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren to be sent to Iraq. This is the main plank in his platform, and we need to get it out there so that we can have a fair election.
100 more years in Iraq!
chris @ 106:
Someday though, chris, we white males will overcome. I envision a future, far distant, in which white males control business and industry, the media, popular culture, the judiciary, the legislatures... maybe even the presidency!
How long, o Lord, how long?
chris @ 106:
Didn't notice that an intellectual midget like GWB was admitted to Yale on a legacy?
chris @ 106:
Oh fuckin spare me that BULLSHIT Chris...and personally, I don't give a fuck if you don't like it when I use the word fuck.
White males are NOT the most discriminated against!! I've heard others make that comment Chris...and they were goose-steppin skinheads...is that what you are Chris?
I'm a white male and I approve this comment.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 110:
Oh yeah..... FUUUUCK!
chris @ 106:
I agree Chris. Lets keep is civil. I hear your concern about white discrimination. This is the conversation we as Americans were asked to discuss. I for one am tired of blaming others for my problems. Its too easy. Thats why I get so bent out of shape about this Wright issue. Its not an issue to me. I ask myself. What if a white candidate had a white paster like Wright. What would I do? (I guess by now you know I am Black ) Honestly, I would vote for the candidate if I believe in him and not his pastor of the hype the media and advocates . Oh course, we would have a fuss but it would not go on this long. We here stuff like this all the time and sadly am use to it. Even with the McCain MLK vote. I have no problem with this and hope the media will not handle this as childishly as the Wright matter. I don't like my intelligence being insulted like that.
When this American hero becomes pesident we are gonna kick som a-rab ass and then roll back MLK day just so we can stick it to obama and oprah. When the dust settles from that I think it is time to take the vote away the female and mexicans. We need to get back to the way the founding Fathers wanted it.
Only white property owning men should have the right to vote.
God Bless America.
100 more years....
Dr. Hussien Matt @ 98:
Chris, Chris, Chris -- fuck the flat tax, let's have the top 1% of earners pay their fair share of income taxes & increase the flawed cap on Social Security. Medicare WORKS -- we need to get rid of the for-profit insurance companies. Exactly WHOM would you suggest handle Education? Deregulation? We've been there for years!
chris @ 106:
Oh, and as for days... did you know that the only way the Mississippi Legislature would approve MLK Day was to make it simultaneously Robert E. Lee Day? True story. So it all evens out.
My problem with MLK Day is it sets aside only one day to think about his life and his contributions and then we're allowed to forget him for the rest of the year. It marginalizes a great man.
git-er-dun-Mc-Cain @ 113:
You ARE kidding, I hope. Maybe not. Lets hear more of you thoughts. This is interesting.
Matt @ 116:
I agree. And naming a street after him in every city is pretty much an empty gesture.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 118:
They only name streets on the poor sides of town. In Jacksonville, Florida they are challenging the city to change the name back to its original name because the name MLK Boulevard is lowering the real estate property values.
greg @ 112:
I agree completely with you Greg. The shameful way that the MSM(and some bloggers at this site) went after Obama, calling him a racist(without any proof) created unnecessary scrutiny, forcing him to "come clean". If we go easy on McCain regarding social matters, it'll be Bush v Gore pt. II. I don't give a shit about the MLK holiday or Rev. Wright, I just want McCain to receive zero breaks from the MSM.
greg @ 117:
greg @ 117:
I wish there were a day to honor Malcolm X.
RightOn @ 122:
B careful what you wish for. Obama has a secret plan to that very thing. Don't beleive me?
Just tune into Fox news tonight. Where truth is in the eye of the beholder. praise the lord.
git-er-dun-Mc-Cain @ 121:
Some idiot yanking your chain. But don't doubt for a second that these kind of people really exist.
Left confirms: Everything McCain says or does has a secret racist subtext....
"I must admit that I am vaguely disappointed in (Matt) Stoller and Yglesias for not being paranoid enough in playing the race card. McCain’s biographical speeches are very much about the father-son relationship. To fully reverse race-bait, Stoller and Yglesias should have claimed McCain’s father-centrism is a subtly-coded contrast with Obama’s black absentee father. After all, if you are going to be nitwit, don’t be a half-wit about it."
I wish there were a day to honor Captain X.
git-er-dun-Mc-Cain @ 123:
FOX NEWS. OH, NOW I SEE.
Oh by the way. Sorry, read the Bible, Jesus was and is black. Look up Revelations "hair of wool and feet of bronze".
I wish there were a day to honor this guy:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.coverbrowser.com/image...
greg @ 127:
And Jewish.
greg @ 127:
Jesus was this guy?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.coverbrowser.com/image...
I don't think Martin Luther King would want schools to be out of session on his account. MLK was FOR educating everyone - this holiday does nothing towards that end. In fact it works against it.
Dr. Acula @ 129:
Oy gevalt!
ysbaddaden @ 132:
Right on.
Well (git-er-dun-Mc-Cain) what do you say to that?
Anyway, Obama just got another endorsement. The Governor of Wyoming!!!
greg @ 127:
I always thought that ol' Jebus, was of Jewish descent...and hooo dawgies, when in SC once, I had the unmitigated gall, to actually ridicule a proud southern white man for believin that his deity of choice had blonde hair and blue eyes...I was like...THINK about, not alot of aryan lookin folks bein born in the middle east at that time...man was he pissed, lol!!!
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 134:
"Hair of wool and feet of bronze" doesn't sound like a black man OR a white man. More like some kinda bronze-age cyborg.
greg @ 133:
Hells yeah! Go Obama!!
And on a side note...I think that git-er-dun-Mc-cain posts are tongue in cheek. Pretty funny actually.
The race card still works, so look out this fall: Wisconsin April Fool's Day prank: Hundreds of thousands of Democratic voters disappear between Feb. 19 and April 1. They just up and vanished -- and because they vanished, a dirty right-wing, pro-business racist smear campaign of misrepresentation and deception succeeded in giving conservatives the balance of power on the Wisconsin Supreme Court in yesterday's statewide election.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 134:
THATS FUNNY!!!
greg @ 139:
Thank ya thank ya...Yeah ALOT of the "sunday xtians" think he's white like they are...I was thinkin about this the other day...the early xtians were pretty slick, morphing their savior to fit any and all pre-existing belief systems, in order to gain footholds in otherwise non-xtian or pagan strongholds.
All in pursuit of power and wealth. Bastards.
greg @ 139:
Mebbe he worshipped Thor.
Rusty America Shackleford @ 136:
Book of Mormon used that reference too. It was a bit of showing a godman in all his glory. The wool hair is a shining white, and the bronze was also reference to a shiney surface.
Or God uses QT.
Turned my sister orange way back in the day.
Dr. Hussien Matt @ 5:
God cares about it and will deal with racism of all kinds.
ysbaddaden @ 142:
Jesus actually was middle eastern descent,
Actually, interestingly enough, Josephus refered to a Christ-like figure in one Yeshua Ben Panthera (Jesus's real name was supposedly Yeshua Ben Joseph). According to Josephus Miriam (Mary) was a temple hierodule (sacred prostitute) who got impregnated by a client from the Roman legions Panthera. Tradition has it Panthera was a Celt working in the legions.
Not saying it's correct.
The Shroud of Turin, for those who believe in such things, shows a man much taller than the average of the time, and particularly of the Middle-East.
To continue, early church leaders tried to adopt Yeshua ben Panthera as Jesus's grandfather until they decided it was a slight against their faith.
Later they tried to rationalize it as a corruption of Parthenos, making him Yeshua ben Parthenos (Virgin), however that term came from Greece and the the temple of Athena of the same name.
Sorry, Ben Parthenos means son of virgin.
Uhh Ohhhh, Ohhhh NO! There goes McCain's African American vote! hahahahaha
ysbaddaden @ 146:
I like the corruption of Reed Sea- marshy tidal land in the northeast of Egypt- to Red Sea. If Moses was leading the Jews out of Egypt when the volcano at Thera exploded, there's a good chance that the Reed Sea was "parted" when a tsunami approached.
My, bad, Athena's temple is named the Parthenon.
I should type when I'm getting tired, since then my memory glitches like my shoes when I sten in dog turds.
I have to retrieve all this from my memory.
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