McCain Slightly heckled on MLK Day
By John Amato Thursday Apr 03, 2008 1:17pm
John McCain was lightly heckled during his speech today down in Memphis---on the site and the day that ML King was assassinated. When he apologized for his vote, a vote that will haunt him, a vote he made when he was very old---some spectators chose to honor the memory of ML King by showing him a little kindness. Something that was unavailable to the Black community so many years ago. I also included Soldedad O'Brien's commentary at the end of the video. She called it very accurately.
In his speech today, McCain tried to explain his misguided vote by stating, “We can all be a little late sometimes in doing the right thing”:
We can be slow as well to give greatness its due, a mistake I made myself long ago when I voted against a federal holiday in memory of Dr. King. I was wrong and eventually realized that, in time to give full support for a state holiday in Arizona. We can all be a little late sometimes in doing the right thing, and Dr. King understood this about his fellow Americans. But he knew as well that in the long term, confidence in the reasonability and good heart of America is always well placed.
During these statements, some in the crowd said, “We forgive you,” but many others began loudly objecting to McCain’s comments. CNN reporter Soledad O’Brien called it “a little bit of heckling.
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We got a long ways to go to dig out of this mess.
Hey, I knew right and wrong back then, I'm younger than Grampa, and Grampa was WRONG and knew it.
No forgiveness.
OT: Love the new flashing ads here...really junks it up nicely.
"We can all be a little late sometimes in doing the right thing"
Maybe now would be a good time to un-invade Iraq!
Lollimom @ 2:
Totally.
"McLame was slightly freckled today and, worried about recurring melanoma announced that he would not be releasing his medical records any time soon."
I forgive him.
He's too fucking old to be President.
Grandpa is at the age where we should be questioning if he has the faculties to operate a car, much less run a country.
I think U2 once refused to play Arizona because of McCain's MLK holiday stance.
Another problem is young people are no longer into tradition. So it's going to be impossible to continue to prop up the American way of life without dramatic shifts in the way people think about things.
Tradition in the sense of Industrial Age Discipline. Supporting entitlements and IOU's and such.
I don't think an IOU is a tradition, but I get the gist of your point...
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, no?
Same shit different day. Anything to get a vote. I might be able to find some respect for the man if he had a bit of integrity and simply laid low today. Instead I heard something a Bush might say... but with a little more command of the English language.
mcsame would vote against mlk day again if he thought he could get away with it.
he is a racist and a blantant opportunist. like bush, he only thinks of himself and
we don't need 4 more yrs. of another asshole dumb president.
Grampa, we might believe you more if you weren't pandering for votes at this time...
How long will we have to wait for him to apologize for supporting the "war" in Iraq?
i think they were shouts of support, actually.
... saying this while an African American gentleman holds his umbrella???
McCain is not healthy. Check his health records. He has cancer!
Voted against the holiday in the Senate because the people from Arizona didn't support it.
Only when the NFL and the other sports leagues threatened to BOYCOTT Arizona (esp. the Superbowl) did they relent.
I wonder if McCain would care to go over his 'evolution' on the issue. What changed his mind?
Mc100yearwar will be making a similar speech years from now about it being a mistake for supporting herr dubyah’s war. It will go something like this:
RichStraightWhiteAmericanMale @ 14:
he will never apologize for supporting the war, in fact he will bomb iran if bush
does not beat him to it or we impeach bush/cheney before they do another
illegal invasion.
dadams @ 20:
Like the Japanese did for years following WWII, the reich-wingers are going to have to apologize to the World for their invasion, murdering, and war.
Whatever happened to admitting your mistakes, and you being allowed to move on? The man obviously made a bad decision in the past, and he's owning up to it and attempting to make good. True, this IS a Presidential election, so I'll allow that the motivation might be less than sincere, however I highly doubt that anyone in here has the ability to see into his mind or heart, to tell what his true intentions are.
How many times have we ripped the hell out of Billo because he continues to harp on someone that has admitted that they were wrong and that the apology just wasn't good enough for him? Or Hannity for that matter.
And yet here you go, doing the exact same thing.
He apologizes and it's "oh he's not being honest, he's just bullshitting because it's convenient", or it's "oh he was an old man"
50 isn't old, to be honest. It's older than me, and it's older than a lot of people who may be in here, but it's not old.
Whenever someone dies at 50 someone says "oh he was ONLY 50".
I just get frustrated at the venom that goes out against anything that dares to be in contrast to what we believe. At times it seems that the lines between what WE do and what THEY do (they being the right wing) is being blurred more and more.
The things we protest that they do, we do as well.
*shrugs* it's the way it is I suppose.
Good lord he is a bad speaker. He would be lost without his notes. Can't wait for the debates.
Pitiful! He'll never get dobson's vote THIS WAY!
edit: the "old man" comment was in referral to people assuming that because he was "an old man at 50" that somehow everyone at 50 is able to see things the same way.
There's lots of people who have done horrible horrible things for a long time and then later in life saw the errors to their ways.
Just because he made that decision at 50 doesn't mean that he's not trying to make good on that now.
Can't believe I'm actually defending that guy.
Mwangangi @ 10:
Downstream liabilities and unfunded commitments including Medicare, Social Security, Public Debt, Pensions, etc.
Weird...he decides to give a speech and take back his past stance on King at the same time he's running for president. Two, completely non-related occurrences...
I don’t think he’s an outward racist, I also think he doesn’t know a damn thing, care about or understand the black community and their (especially economic) struggles. So nice speech, nice way to oppose most of what King stood for while getting a nice photo op for his campaign, which King himself would surely have opposed.
The fact is that he would never honor King by pacing legislation that King would support, because that would require an extreme ideological conversion.
i imagine that his speechwriters thought that it was a good idea to put this admission into his speech...
whoopsies!
Pitiful! McBarelyInTheClosetRacist is going to lose the James Dobson vote.
jazzysoul @ 22:
It was less of a mistake as opposed to a bending to political pressure to support something he doesn't agree with or actually support.
jazzysoul @ 22:
WHY did he oppose King in the first place? What would make him not oppose him now? It isn't like King's message or McCain's ideology has changed and it isn't like McCain would agree with much of anything King stood for or said, so why would McCain take back what he did? If he had an ideological conversion it would make logical sense, it doesn't otherwise. If you sat McCain down, gave him some quotes by King regarding Vietnam, economic issues, or much of anything else McCain would 100% disagree with his stances and probably call someone echoing the same ideas now "un-American", so why should he not be opposed for using King's death for his own cynical reasons, especially when he and everyone else knows that King would have opposed the very policies that McCain is and has pushed for?
He can apologize his damned warmongering ass off for all I care. How on board with war in Iraq and campaigning for war against Iran would Dr. King be?
L.A. Confidential @ 26:
With your enhanced clarity you have now made obvious what I had inferred from your comment. Although as a young person, I think paying your taxes is one of the most patriotic things a person can do. (This means that I do believe in 'IOU's' per your definition.)
On every significant progressive issue, the reactionary GOP is ALWAYS LATE, if they come around at all. And they always have a "good excuse" for doing the wrong thing; i.e., "we're not against equality or basic human rights -- we just don't think it's a federal matter."
Sen. McRacist was against the MLK holiday vote until he was for it.
BTW, he actually did represent his state appropriately. It was not until the NFL withheld the SuperBowl that Az. decided to approve the holiday. Sort of like Houston not getting the baseball team until they ended legal segregation.
jazzysoul @ 22:
Hows about sticking with your mistake for years?
From http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15107.html
"If McCain “began to learn” and “studied” after his opposition to the King holiday in ‘83, he was a very slow learner. Four years later, he didn’t fight against a governor or his own party; he endorsed the governor’s move to eliminate a King holiday.
Six years after his House vote he began supporting a state holiday, but still opposed a federal King holiday. Eleven years after his vote, he tried to strip federal funding from the MLK Federal Holiday Commission. Seventeen years after his vote, McCain publicly endorsed South Carolina’s right to fly the confederate flag over its statehouse."
jazzysoul @ 22:
Nothing wrong with that, as long as you add, "My judgment on this was flawed, and warns that any future judgments I make (especially on a topic as EASY to judge correctly as this one was!) may be equally as flawed. I'm moving on, but I don't blame you if you now mistrust everything I say."
I wonder what sort of 'straight talk' good ol' John was saying to his friends about Dr King BEFORE he had his change of heart all those years ago.
Your a big phony John. People like you spit on Dr. King's grave, you have no business being there.
Straight talk, yeah right.
Mwangangi @ 33:
I'm not saying ALL young people are adverse to these things. Actually the main problem is a progressive person would stop and say "okay let's do what we have to do I'm willing to sacrifice even in my precarious position for the betterment of society." The Rethug supporters say "I feel sorry for the poor bastards who are victims but it's not my responsiblity! Get a job!!".
Then you say "well what do you think I have been doing sitting around picking my nose?" and they reply, "that doesn't matter!! Respect your elders and authority!!!"
Kind of no win situation.
jazzysoul @ 25:
why do you hate america? :)
With this sort of redemption in his speech, sounds like more GOPers might stay home for election day afterall.
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 21:
On which planet is that going to happen?
Gee wonder how Bu$h would have voted?
Are we still playing?:
Sen. McKingHater?
earl @ 43:
With his coke straw.
Who could possibly know how McCain really feels about anything? He was against the Bush tax cuts before he was for them. He was against South Carolina flying the confederate flag after he was for it and after he was against it. He was against Jerry Falwell before he was for him. He has no true principles.
"ML King? ... that one a' them...one a' them... blues musicians? ---hehehe"
---George.
SassySandy @ 46:
McCain was born into a military family and is a military man.
He's trained to obey orders. So we can expect that what he'll do from the "aboves" as President.
What an insult to the sad day that marks the 40th anniversary of another bigot, james earl ray, who decided he had "the right" to take a man's life that was more valuable to this country than anyone since.
Sad that mcbush would show his bent up, ugly face there to commemorate a man for whom he fought to disown recognition for in AZ. A sad day in which the repug party, the bigots of America, would show their face in Memphis to take some glory from one deserving with hollow words that are bullshit and lies. A disgrace and insult to Dr. King.
mcbush should be ashamed of himself. He is no hero. He is a vet....and to that he even disowns his own by refusing to back benefits to vets that would give them a chance to find their place in society after he and his responsible parties rape their mental and physical well being for their greedy and criminal acts.
Damn mcbush and all of his neocon criminals to hell.
jazzysoul @ 25:
The fact that he embarrasses himself with HIS actions in the past gives him NO RIGHT to be standing on the grounds commemorating the death of Dr. King. What a pig to show his face in that city. I'm surprise at his gall and the audiences patience to this pig.
jazzysoul@22 :
The fact is MLK was killed 40 yrs. ago and McCain made that vote 25 yrs. ago, so that's 25 years worth of April 4ths that Grandpa has had to go to Memphis and apologize for doing the wrong thing. And he waits until he's running for prez to do it ? And you wonder why we can't just accept that ? Old guard politicians will say or do ANYTHING to retain their grip on power. Once the wheels fall off their respective campaigns, look for election fraud to ramp up significantly.
Left&Left @ 35:
During this thread, some in the comments section said, “We forgive you,” but many others began loudly objecting to McCain’s comments. "He 's a racist. He's old! He has cancer! He's a lousy speaker!....
"We're better than you are, John McCain, and we can prove it- just read our comments!"
I'm sorry but I just don't buy it. Watching John McCain read his speech to the crowd was like watching a child in elementary school read his/her book report to the class. John McCain seemed devoid of any thoughtful emotion or remembrance for Dr. King. He kept stating over and over that he was wrong to vote against the Martin Luther king holiday but his inflections and tone while speaking would indicate otherwise.
CoIntelPro - against Divisive Democrats @ 36:
Thank you. Great historic points. The NFL and MLB had to actually ransom off professional teams to the Southern businessmen. Morality had nothing to do with these racist voting for a MLK holiday. This "Maverick" bullshit is just a MSM generated myth. McCain's just an ole time bigot from a time when some people thought that it was cool to be a bigot. I forgive you too McCain, but I'll never vote for your "socially suspect" ass.
just a little heckling from this end ...
"very old" at 50?
John McCain: Political Whore
Joe O. @ 53:
True, but the media and the PR spokesmen won't care. They have to realize that King stood against everything they protect and they've shown for decades, if not a century, that they don't understand and show an ability to comprehend bottom up political movements. Come, say, June this day will be no more important in regards to McCain's reactionary views than his support for the war, his (by his own admission knowledge-less) economic or foreign policy views and the media will be back to the platitudes that got us Bush.
Closer to the Truth:
"I am very sorry for my 1983 racist vote against one of the most brilliant men ever to walk the streets of the U.S..I now want to tell you that I am no longer the racist,white devil slave-master I once was.I now base my bias on class and whether or not you agree with me.If you don`t make enough money,or you don`t kiss ass;I could care less what race you are, you`re going down the river."
On other note, its quite shameful to have a man like McCain, who always bends to the will of those in power, give a speech about man that never did. Dr. King was a man that took on many issues like the Vietnam war and civil rights and he never wavered from his positions. McCain on the other hand, for broke like a twig on the waterboarding issue.
Snore @ 56:
Is that you, Randi?
how can i get my own cheesy CNN cap? i want to look like a big dork too.
That youtube video doesn't play very well. stop-start-stop-start. What up?
Liberal AND Proud @ 7:
But think of what 'experience' this vote gives him!
Look, vile crooked racist scumbags, and Barry for different reasons, need to shut their corpse-breath pieholes about MLK.
He belongs to progressive America not every opportunistic butthead, this is where Barry comes in, who thinks if he mentions MLK the 'darkies' will magically vote for him.
Shut up about Martin Luther King Senator McSame.
Shut the Fuck Up!
mike @ 61:
Pull a Trojan over your head.
Umm...was it just the sound quality or did she say "James Earl Ray who spends his life in prison today..."? Ray died 10 years ago.
jazzysoul @ 22:
I agree totally.
It's an improvement having someone run for President who is able to admit to mistakes.
There are other more important things to criticize about McCain.
What I say here should in now way be interpreted as opposition to King's holiday (which I believe is essential to our nation) but as a qualifier and as one way of looking at things that does not automatically turn opposition to the holiday into opposition to King.
I personally would have preferred they ELIMINATE an existing (and perhaps redundant) national holiday - or at least reclassified it in a way that kept offices open - when MLK's holiday was created. There are expenses and issues of lost productivity in government tied to these holidays, and we have far too many of them. How many military holidays to we currently have? How many is too many?
Will JFK & RFK ever get a holiday - perhaps to share? How much more history is ahead of us, yet to be made? How many more great Americans worthy of their own Holiday might this country have left to produce? Could we reach 300? You get my point, right?
Combining Lincoln and Washington was the right idea. Perhaps a "Martyred champions of American Democracy" day would be appropriate. (Not to replace King's day - which definitely requires separate and individual recognition.) I'd just like to see the practical side of these issues recognized, without being force-fed the idea doing so must equate with opposition to the idea.
Conyers just put the smackdown on Alix halfWitt of MSNBC. She kept trying to interrupt him to say McCain apologized today for his past vote and Conyers interrupted her to say how McCain more or less only apologized because he is running for pres. Priceless!
pretty on topic, his feelings of being "enclosed in darkness"... just stop talking about "chasing out the darkness"...
"Hey, guy with the umbrella, could I get a shoe shine over here or what!?"
They weren't booing, they were yelling "McBoo"
i wasn't waiting for the freudian slip, "chasing out the darkies, dur, DARKNESS! whoa.."
Too bad W wasn't giving this speech! ahahahah
i mean I WAS waiting for the freudian slip...
whoopsies, i'm feeling a little alzheimer's comin on
Janet @ 68:
I saw that. He said about the same thing as one of the previous commenters. McCain has had over 20 years to apologize, but didn't do it until he runs for President.
Canuknotusa @ 66:
I totally disagree. This was a very important vote to us black folk. McCain began his "getting to know me" tour in Mississippi, just like his idol Reagan(another insensitive bigot). He's all but ignored us negroes(also like Ronnie). To me, McCain is suspect. Hey, you have your issues, I have mine, and Sen. McRacist definitely has his.
dennis @ 52:
Classic deflection from the real issue Dennis. Spin all you wish, McCain is not a victim in this story. He should answer the questions(particularly on this day) and be forthcoming...he hasn't. People like you never want to deal with historical truths....especially race issues.
Bigots always "do the right thing" if they need votes.
Today is not MLK Day.
From what I remember, MLK was not that large of a historical figure at the time outside of the black community. Please don't misread that, he was a large figure but he was not someone that everyone in this country regarded so highly at the time. It took 10 years for him to be recognized with a medal of freedom and not until the mid 80's did he receive the very well deserved recognition that he now has. McCain explained that he did not support the day at a time along with several other states mostly due to his criticism of the Vietnam war (King's criticism). For that reason and that reason alone many people including some BLACK Americans did not vote for the holiday. I view it as a mistake in the past but he did correct it and this was many many years ago, something he chose to do of his own accord.
The Ghoulini Effect: poor McSame, just as Ghouliani was at one time nationally ahead in the polls, when more people took a closer look, he started to sink like a stone.
McSame and Ghoulini. Samo samo.
Stan in LA @ 78:
Actually as a registered Democrat, Guiliani was a great mayor of NYC. He did wonders for cutting down crime and cleaning up the streets. Bloomberg on the other hand is a joke, charging people 9$ to get into the city is absolutely idiotic, if I want to leave the city on the weekend to visit family and friends I have to pay 18$ on TOP of gas. Idiot.
Left&Left @ 74:
Look - I'm not defending McCain, and I really don't care who wins your presidential election. I'm entertained by the convoluted process and the ridiculous way your self-important media covers all the candidates - that's it. But what would you want him to do? He apologized for his vote, said he made a mistake and has changed his mind completely. Maybe you'd be happier if he were tar and feathered, drawn and quartered, hung from the nearest tree? Or maybe no apology would sit better with you? Then you could continue to be angry at the world for past injustices.
I'm feel sure whoever was McCain's Democratic political opponent back in the day was coming out in favor of MLK holiday and McCain found it politically expedient to beat him over the head with it and no doubt won more than one election in lilly white Arizona by bashing a MLK holiday and the Democratic candidate who supported it. Now that the Democrats at great political costs over the years have helped make MLK and a holiday recognizing him acceptable, McCain and others in the GOP find it politically opportunistic to apologize and say me too, me too!
Roast in your political karma McCain.
Was that a freudian slip when he said, right at the beginning of the clip, "We will not endure cruelty nor will we abide justice"?
Maybe McCain still thinks (white) justice is the way it's been described in the black community for so long: "Just us".
Canuknotusa @ 81:
You hit the nail right on the head. An apology is not good enough for these people. They are angry at the world (hence they spend a tremendous amount of time alone browsing the internet) and they like being angry and jaded towards everyone. Let them stew in their anger, the rest of us will move along.
Canuknotusa @ 81:
McCain, as others have said here, changed his mind about an MLK holiday for purely politically expedient reasons - the wind changed, so he changed with it. Now he wants us to believe he's truly contrite about his prior bad acts. If you look at his overall record of such actions, it's obvious that he'll say and/or do anything to further his political opportunities and election chances. It doesn't matter if he apologizes, makes mea culpa, or gets down on his knees and begs forgiveness - he's still a senile old hypocrite.
esm @ 77:
No, it's the anniverary of his death - or perhaps you missed that.
Left&Left @ 75:
Yes I do, Left and Left. You guys are going way,way,way,way fucking overboard in this pathetic attempt to paint McCain as racist.
I'm actually more than happy to see you do it though. It's swing and a miss, swing and another miss- but maybe one of these swings will hit something someday. And it really doesn't matter if it is a hit because even if it's a foul ball, the word that he's a racist will be taken as gospel among the nutroots.
Think Progress- they're the nice folks who worked so so hard to claim McCain palgiarized a speech Adm. Timothy Ziemer gave in 1996-they searched Nexis and never thought to call the McCain campaign to vet the story. Their entire research was by Google. Turns out Ziemer plagiarized McCain's speech.
Ever read that on here? Read that up above? And guess what, the above link to the Think Progress website really doesn't attack McCain on this MLK speech regarding his no vote for the holiday. Know why? Because now they can't, can they, after their complete and total f'ing embarrassment of a totally false hit-piece. Remind you of the New York Times story on McCain's adulterous affair? How can they attack him now with anything unproven, or ever again? As if that rag was ever to be believed in the first place.
DHSmd @ 67:
Um, may I ask one question: how is a political dynasty of Democrats (the Kennedys) any more democratic than one on the right (the Bushes)? What distinguishes the Kennedys from the Bushes in terms of their station as elite New England political families who attract fanatical loyalty from supporters and scorn from much of the country (in his time, JFK was less popular than Bush)? Oh, wait, I know the answer: they're leftists. :rolleyes.: Political dynasties have no place in a democracy, no matter what side of the aisle they're from.
And McPapen's bungled something else, again. If this is experience, by the Invisible Pink Unicorn, I'll take the tenderfeet. If Democrats lose this election by letting it get as close as 2004 did so stealing it can be attributed to McPapen's popularity, they're done as a political force.
If you listen carefully, you can hear the skulls of the hecklers pop as they're hit with bats by the RNC security detail.
Bob @ 84:
"These people" you already lost me. Also, you don't know me so don't try that third grade psychoanalysis bullshit. I'm not angry, I simply don't trust McCain. I see too many red flags that maybe, because of who you are, don't see. This not a right or wrong argument. If you would READ carefully what I said, you would see I just disagreed. I DID say that you had issues.....
Left&Left @ 75:
The really sad thing about all this coverage and discussion is the purpose of the anniversary recognition is lost in the politics. A man was killed in this country for excercising his freedom of speech. This man, who preached non-violence was shot down because he was supporting the downtrodden. This man, who fought for the civil rights for everyone, was murdered and all we are talking about is whether McCain voted to create MLK day - this is a perfect opportunity to address our current civil rights concerns.
Look - I think he's probably fighting his racist inclinations (he grew up in a time where racism was acceptable and in some areas of the country, expected) - it's hard to fight years and years of conditioning. I think he is sorry he voted against it - I'm not sure whether he's sorry because it looks bad, or because he realizes it was wrong.
Regardless, if we (the media too) bicker back and forth on whether or not he means what he says and whether we forgive him, then we do a disservice to the memory of MLK. Our civil rights are being abused every day. We have to stand up and in the memory and style of MLK fight for our rights to be returned to us.
Another thing, I've lived in Memphis almost 20 years, I'm a white female and what Soledad said about the museum is right on the money. I stood there, looking at that balcony, and across the way the place where james earl ray pulled the trigger and it was profoundly moving. They have kept two of the original rooms of the hotel intact, one is made to look like MLK's room looked on the day he was shot and the other is just a room. But moving through the museum and looking at pictures of things that people did to other people (hanging and worse) is stunningly powerful.
Shirl
goat hussein sage @ 37:
Wow. Well said, and bravely said, I might add. My sentiments exactly. Sometimes I feel that the only difference between the far right and the far left (and I mean the really far right and left, okay?) are their issues. Their tactics and rhetoric and attitudes are EXACTLY the same.
Kill scientists who experiment on animals=far left Nazi-PETA types
Kill doctors who perform abortions=far right Nazi-religious types
Inappropriate rude protests against returning soldiers=fringe lefties
Inappropriate rude protests at soldier's funerals=God Hates Fags righties
Hummer dealership vandalism and ultra-pollution from burning these vehicles=fringe "eco-terrorists"
Bombing Federal Buildings=fringe militiamen
The comparisons could go on and on. Sometimes it actually doesn't seem that the two sides diverge in a linear way, more like they diverge in a circumnavigating way and meet somewhere on the opposite side of sensibility, where their motives and issues differ, but their negative results are identical.
General_Rennenkampf @ 88:
Aside from the Kennedy "Dynasty" being an illusion most useful to those interested in attempting to blunt their enduring popularity, there is a huge difference in the manifest democratic principles of those two groups of politicians, and it is accurately reflected by the price each has "paid" and the ultimate identities of the collectors of those "debts".
However, a full accounting of all that makes the Kennedys' vision for America and their pursuit of it far more democratic than that of the Bush Clan (whose conduct over 20 years of occupying the White House can fairly be described as "fascist") would require several volumes. If you really cannot begin to understand this self-evident fact, then any attempt at explaining it to you further would be a waste of my time (and most likely represent a goal attained for you.)
Your repetitive use of false statements as substitution for facts in your "question" proves my point succinctly.
hillary just released her tax returns-mcsame still has not-no one is saying anything-why not???
goat hussein sage @ 23:
That's easy!!!!!!!!!!! Remember the tape recorder hidden behind Bush's jacket during the debates? Every person in the world knew he was cheating, and yet the stupid Americans voted for him and then re-elected him. They're more stupid than he and McCain are. You'll see. The electorate have the uncanny capacity to shoot themselves in the foot. McCain as president? Don't count him out.
FORGIVEN....... SURE JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN....
......ALSO FORGIVEN....
COLIN POWELL FOR HIS LIE BETRAYING HIS MEN INTO WAR
CONDI FOR HER LIE BETRAYING OUR COUNTRY
RUMMY FOR HIS LIE ABOUT TORTURE
BUSH FOR ALL OF HIS DRUMBEATS TO WAR
SNOW FOR HIS SNOWJOB TO OUR NATION
i have no problem forgiving a lot of people
ALL REPUBLICANS just like JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN
and i'll also forgive you for your support of a war that has killed THOUSANDS....
-----OH..... YOU WANT MY VOTE.......... NAH.... JUST SOME FORGIVENESS...
if you and any other REPUBLICANS want my vote, you can suck my forgiveness
YourMom @ 3:
It might take him 100 years to figure that out.
shirley @ 92:
Good post, Shirley. Thank you.
It's election season- everything is about politics. Unfortunately, everything has to be about race, real or imagined. Or in some cases lately, made up to make it appear as racism. I'm not sure we are moving forward as MLK would have liked to see, or moving backward with the kind of racially fractious politics he was against.
dennis @ 99:
Spoken like a real white guy :roll:
bajasteve @ 86:
I didn't, but look at the title of this thread.
HE IS A HORRIBLE SPEAKER.
miss_kitty Hussein @ 100:
I stay away from you for the most part because most times you say harmless, mindless and impotent drivel. I'm angry at myself in fact for making this exception. Please don't take that as a put-down; it's perfectly acceptable for commenting on a left-wing blog.
But I have no idea what you are talking about. Whether you are white or black, it has never occasioned me to even ponder. Maybe that's a compliment, I don't know. I'd say you were like a blank sheet of paper to me, but blank sheets of paper are usually white I guess, mostly anyway, and you might think that was spoken like a white guy :roll too, whatever that is.
dennis @ 103:
i think he was getting at the fact that what you said makes little sense
"or in some cases lately, made up to make it appear as racism...."
what does that mean?......it's either hannity speak (some code that is understood by righties and whities) or you didn't communicate your point well..
Way too little, way too late.
Gretchen @ 11:
True, but a dirty dishrag has a better command of the English language, and a stronger moral compass to boot.
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 19:
Your point is well taken, but in a few years McShrub will be a distant memory.
jazzysoul @ 25:
I fully understand what you're saying, but I think people are so intense and adamant about what they're expressing because the stakes are so high in this upcoming election.
ohio progressive (typical non-typical white person)-
I don't know miss catty Hussein, but I would at least gleen from the name that she is a she, not a he.
..."or in some cases lately, made up to make it appear as racism"- what I mean there, and I hope that didn't come across as a dog whistle or 'code', is that there is an apparent and concerted effort by the left-wing blogs to tag racism to McCain- an impartial, unfair and deliberate attempt to make something out of nothing, for purely political reasons. I would've thought that sentence to be about as clear as the nose on your face given this thread and several other ones on McCain. A total disconnect from reality.
A vote for McCain will be a vote for racism, right? And if Obama loses? Well, it's just a racist country.
Good luck with that strategy. I'd like to think both races, all races, are better than that. Sometimes I don't think some bloggers think we are.
dennis @ 52:
Is there a point hiding in here somewhere?
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 21:
No, we are going to have to apologize. They will sit stubbornly, arms folded, full-on assholes refusing to admit they were wrong.
And the rest of us will spend our lives cleaning up these retarded assholes' mistakes.
woodguy @ 110:
yep. There sure is.
woodguy @ 110:
A take-off from the last sentence in the blog post, woody. A point? I don't know, what does is the point to report that John McCain was 'slightly' heckled. Some heckled, then others said 'we all make mistakes', and 'we forgive you'. Just like in the comments, some think McCain was sincere and deserves the benefit of the doubt, some obviously don't.
dennis @ 103:
Nice one dennis. I won't be sticking up for you anymore.
dennis @ 87:
Dennis= a rambin' man
dennis @ 109:
i don't think people are being as unfair to mccain as you say, though perhaps they are being unforgiving...
mccain worked against MLK day, and that reflects at best poor judgement for a 50 year old man, and at worst, a sort of racism (that he has since (today?) renounced)...so it's not as rash or irrational a label as you suggest...though i would agree that it might not be the correct label
in general, i haven't gotten the sense that the left blog is trying to call mccain a racist.....just on this one specific issue, they've raised the point....and it's a valid one...maybe it's not as incriminating as some would suggest, but his behavior as a 50year old legislator in 81 should raise eyebrows...
this 'vote for mccain is a vote for racism' is not a theme i've seen perpetuated much in regard to liberal blogs on mccain....
i've seen his corruption (keating 5, lobbyists in general http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/28/amid_mccains_new_s...), his flipflopping on the bush tax cuts, his support for the war, his support for and participation in the failed attempts to get bin laden, 7 years hence, etc etc etc......the racist stuff came up only in the last few days....it will largely be forgotten by the time of the general....
i'd suggest that anybody who is not a hardcore partisan republican would have a difficult time explaining a vote for mccain over obama....not that it's racist, but it's certainly not based on any rational and objective examination of the qualifications of the two candidates....
When did you ever, miss kitty?
C'mon, just havin' fun.
I was kinda mean though. Sorry.
dennis @ 113:
How about "The crowd reaction was mixed"? It's the last sentence in your original post that I didn't understand. Is someone trying to prove they're "better than John McCain"?
ohio progressive@116--
Sorry, don't have time right now to tag all the links I could. Huffington Post, Wonkette, Think Progress, Talk Left, Matthew Yglesias-- here (I'll get blasted for posting something from a RW blog, but in a hurry) The Yglesias Code. More later if you want.
woodguy-
All those comments were made by other posters on this thread- racist- he's old, has cancer, lousy speaker.
What does any of those have to do with the point of the thread, or if McCain was sincere in saying he was wrong before? I don't see how people making those comments think they are coming from the higher ground making those comments about McCain. How are they proving they're better, or that he's worse? Are they trying to prove they're better than McCain? I think so, at least they're trying to say he's a piece of shit. No one ever says, 'you know, he's not a bad guy, I just don't think he ought to be President'.
People make mistakes.....I admire him for admitting his and changing his ways, unlike a certain Texan in the White House
Michael @ 121:
Good point, Michael. We f'ed up with Bush. We thought he might be the next Reagan like Peggy Noonan told us he would be. McCain isn't Bush. We are simply asking for a mulligan. I promise you, McCain will be more like Reagan, you'll see. Even Nancy Reagan says so.
dennis @ 122:
Don't confuse my defense of McCain as support for his presidential campaign.....it's just that I think it's wrong and completely ridiculous to attack his character. I don't agree with his politics, but I respect him as a man on integrity who has served his country admirably....and he's willing to admit when he was wrong, something very refreshing on the political scene indeed. This is why, despite the fact that I don't agree with his policies, I think it's insulting to compare a McCain presidency to a 3rd Bush term. We only have one way to go as a nation and that's up.
Let's hope, Michael. Thanks. May the best man or woman win, but no matter who it is, may the winner do well for us.
DHSmd @ 94:
I....don't....give....a...damn how "democratic" the Kennedy clan is! Political dynasties have no place in a democratic state. Period. The Emmanuel clan in Italy until the 1920s was better than the Borgias, did that make it right for either of them to rule?
JFK nearly started WWIII over a Soviet attempt to equalize the balance of power. RFK damn near overthrew a stable Democratic alignment, making the Nixon victory and subsequent re-alignment of U.S. politics around the GOP possible. Ted is seen as a nut by more than a few average voters. Old Joe Kennedy was a good old-fashioned Tweedian machine boss.
I consider the results of the Kennedy vision to have been every bit as lovely as the Bush vision. And, if Kennedys don't register as a political dynasty, what of the Tafts, the Roosevelts, the Lincolns, the Adams family....
The U.S. has been undemocratic under the rule of a small elite for longer than papa Bush has been alive. So, blaming oligarchy on Bush, or even on the Kennedys, is foolish. They're a symptom, not the disease.
God, I sound like an anarchist, here. >.>
dennis @ 120:
You know, he's not a bad guy, I just don't think he ought to be President.
Please see my post @ 108. I try to keep the name calling to a minimum; your post @ 52, to which I originally responded was unclear to me, that's all. I don't think I put myself "above McCain"; I don't think any of my posts above reflect that. I just think he is a real danger to our country and I'll do anything I can to insure he won't be elected. I can only speak for myself.
Well according to NBC's Brian Williams , Sen . John McSame got a " warm welcome " or words to that effect . A flat out LIE .
You McCain apologist make me want to cry for the old guy. He himself admitted his vote against the holiday was wrong(of course Johnny didn't explain what was wrong). I agree with Rep. Conyers who said McCain waited until he was running for President to apologize. Now I see certain bloggers who seem to feel that I don't have the right to not trust McCain since he apologized. I FEEL McCAIN'S APOLOGY IS POLITICAL OPPORTUNISM AND IS WAY TOO LATE!!!!! If bloggers want to accept McCain's apology fine, I don't because I think he's a phony panderer. You righties need to learn to accept the fact that YOUR opinion isn't the only one in town anymore. Anyone who thinks that I'm wrong to feel this way can go to hell.
McCain is an absolute scumbag for going to that place today.
Too bad they bricked up that bathroom window.
note the black man holding the umbrella. progress has been made.
The only promise bush has ever kept as far as I know was when he said he would do for the country what he did for texas, great that one he keeps. Anyone who wants 4 more years of the same shit feel free to vote for mccain. War hero,my dick! Getting caught and thrown into pow camp does not make anyone a hero,nor are you brave if you live through it, you just didn't die or get killed. If you try to escape and get killed you are a hero,If you risk you life to help or save someone,your a hero. If your wife who raised your kids while you were in prison gets into a car crash and is bound to a wheelchair and you divorce her for a woman 20 yrs younger,you are no hero. Yesterday in Oregon a story came to lite of the finding of a fossilized hunk of human feces dated 3800 years ago, it like mccain is just an old peace of shit! We can only hope that the magical being in the sky will look down on us and give us a big break and strike him dead. Indeed I have seen many dead people who were no where near as pale white as he is.
dennis @ 122:
The funny thing is, there are still people foolish enough to believe that's a good thing.
dennis @ 122:
After seven years of "our way or the highway" it looks like you guys are going to lose, and NOW you want to make nice? Pathetic.
ok - i think i found an error in this quoting system... I clicked b-quote and all of the above was placed in the comment field. I didn't want to post it, so I clicked the back button - and IT POSTED ANYWAY - and I can't find a way to delete my comment - HELP PLEASE!
Doesn't anyone remember the rap by Public Enemy, "By the Time I Get to Arizona"? It's a play off the old Isaac Hayes tune, but it's all about the state of Arizona refusing to celebrate MLK day. I think it was the governor of AZ at the time that was so against it. Anyone know more about this?
What else is he going to be late on in the logic/values game???? A decade time lag in good judgement is tooooooooo long.
If it takes a while to recognize greatness, then I hope McCain will forgive us if we don't recognize his greatness until long after the next election.
Is being slightly heckled like being sort of pregnant?
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shirley @ 134:
Well Shirl you have just discovered the McCain syndrome. There is alot of things he would like to take back too.
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