Kristol's Hissy Fit: All Americans Should Be Proud Of Gen. Petraeus!
By Logan Murphy Saturday Apr 05, 2008 2:30pm
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Neocon William "the Bloody" Kristol has been wrong about nearly everything concerning Iraq since before the 2003 invasion, yet he still manages to proudly sit on the FOXNews panel with that silly smirk on his face, touting the same, fact-free rhetoric. This morning on Fox News Sunday, Kristol once again sings the praises of Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker on the amazing success of the Bush/McCain surge and how they've done an exemplary job of turning things around in Iraq.
Juan Williams points out that Petraeus is seen as a mouthpiece for the Bush administration and what he and Crocker have really done is help to bring the level of violence down to 2005 levels and that any gains that have been made by the surge are fragile at best -- which is not exactly seen as a triumph by the American people. As expected, Billy-boy takes exception to this and he scolds Williams for daring to speak ill of General Petraeus:
"You don't think it's been an exemplary and admirable act of generalship? I mean, leave aside the administration, aren't you proud of what Petraeus and Odierno and Crocker have done over the last year and a half in Iraq?"
[cross talk]
"Shouldn't - seriously, I'm serious about this- shouldn't all Americans be proud of that?"
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Wasn't this blueblood arrested yet?
I'm proud of General Petraeus. That's why I'm nominating him to carry the flag for the U.S. team when they are flown to the Hague to accept their richly deserved rewards.
Is there any site on the web that accounts for:
1) How many times Kristol is flat and objectively wrong about the things he asserts or predicts; and
2) How much of a hack he really is.
There is no reason for this guy to be given the platform or television, even if he has the right to publish his own magazine.
He's a War criminal w/ a PHD
To answer Kristol's question: No.
Not proud at all. Quite the opposite Billy.
whats not to like, he's a general that didn't adhere to the chain of command resulting in his senior to resign..
What other officer can lay that claim, and still somehow be admired for it..??
It's not a silly smirk. It's a shit-eating grin.
And given how little he's gotten right, he's had to eat quite a bit.
Should we be equally as proud of the 40% desertion rate of the Iraqi troop the General was in charge of training?
tjb @ 4:
Closeted gay repugs like Kristol are the biggest threat to peace. They hate themselves so much and that's the reason they just love their wars.
Kristol:“Shouldn’t - seriously, I’m serious about this- shouldn’t all Americans be proud that?”
I thought his next sentence was going to be something regarding Juan's patriotism. IE: How dare he question the the motives of our leaders during war.. You know, the kind of garbage we heard just a few years ago.
So, what's changed?
"we will be greeted as liberators"
"this will be a two week war"
Bill Kristol, why is he still on TV ?
Someone could take a dump on Kristols copy of the NIE and he'd still call it a Picasso.
What a pompous ass to make a statement insinuating that Americans are somewhat less than proud of what our military/Petraus has accomplished overall. Americans are sick of our President and his mouthpieces painting our situation over there as some sort of day at the beach. That's not going to happen for a long time if ever!
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If you're proud of an ILLEGAL INVASION of a SOVEREIGN NATION that NEVER ATTACKED AMERICA or NEVER POSED an IMMINENT THREAT...
... Then yea, be proud. Be mighty proud!
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Only a fascist would be proud of Bush and Betrayus.
What was Kristol the Fascist saying.
Tug @ 3:
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/tags/william_kristol
You know, that "leftist" organization that only quotes the loonies to prove that what they are saying IS pure loony shit.
You know, that site that FOXPRAVDA hearts to hate.
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/tags/fox_news_channel?f=h_hot
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Pride: 1: CONCEIT 2: justifiable self respect 3: elation over an act or possession 4: haughty behavior: DISDAIN 5: ostentatious display
EMPY @ 17:
6: A deadly sin... ?
tjb @ 4:
Those of us that do not have phds consider some who do as smart as a posthole digger
Bill says, I don't have to be right, we own the media. How did this joker make it out of college being wrong all of the time? Was that four conservatives and one liberal on that clip.
Betrayus will always be remembered as the scumbag general who made the war drag out and got more American soldiers killed needlessly.
I hope the new President fires his dumb ass next year.
Rhetoric:
The art of speaking or writing effectively, using the principles and rules of composition drawn from classical traditions, typically tied to the art of persuasion. Rhetorical conventions were articulated within classical forms, which came to be known in composition studies as modes of discourse.
www1.cuny.edu/academics/oaa/uei/wac/glossary-terminology.html
Other definitions include excessive ornamentation, empty talk and talking to please (like a courtier) but generally my opinion is that these are best described in other terms like propaganda, diplomacy, spin and palaver
unsurebtwilling @ 19:
You're in the Army now
You're not behind the plow
So dig a ditch
You son of a b**ch
You're in the Army now!
Lara Logan could slap him silly
I should be so lucky
And in his case she was already too late.
Yes, why do anti-war lefto-fascists hate America? Why don't they just learn to love Big Broth...um, General Patraeus?
Forget Gen Petraeus. All Americans should be proud of Charleton Heston.
"Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape" _charleton heston RIP
Had this f*cked up, criminal administration NOT used the military as their ass puppet, and manipulated the intelligence and controlled the information to the public....we might have a bit more respect for Patreaus. Yes....he has accomplished his task with very admirable effectiveness...unlike ANYTHING we've seen from this f*cked up administration.
But WHAT HAS IT ACCOMPLISHED??? Nothing! Not a f*cking thing. No political progress, other parts of Iraq are coming unglued at will, and so long as we keep the Sadr and Maliki paid off, they don't kill each other ...for now. This is a living farce.
Patreaus is an effective commander. Savior of the world...hardly. Accomplished anything of value.....not likely. Get the f*ck out of this quagmire!!
He doesn't care nor understand what war is about.
astounding,, what a child.
Had Kristol served one day in the military, had he a child who served one day in the military, I could excuse his cheerleading Bush's War. But then, this is really Kristol's War isn't it?
I want William the Bloody leading a patrol into Sadr City with Lieberman on the point and Perle carrying the bag of Pampers they'll need...
Is "Generalship" a word?
Also Bill-it's really bad form to attack someone's patriotism once you've lost the upper hand in a debate,even if it has been the standard Conservative tactic for decades.
God
BlessAmerica, i mean God Save America from our own govenrment.kristol(nacht's) debate instructor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cMX1Ip7GAw
#1. BennyP: Kristol is a jew and will NEVER be a "blueblood"--a blueblood is a White Anglo Saxon Protestant.
Kristol has to be living in a different universe than the rest of us--because that is some strange grasp of reality that he has.
“Shouldn’t - seriously, I’m serious about this- shouldn’t all Americans be proud that?”
Uh - NO.
And no one spoke to the fact that our tax dollars are being spent to temporarily bribe the sunnis to lay down their arms. It will not last, no matter how much kristol, et.al., laud the "progress" of the new "re-bathification" laws (which many sunnis apparently deplore).
William the bloody, I would bet money" little bill" loves his nickname, big bad bloody bill, the baddest man on the whole damn hill. Horseshit! Bloody bill loves the name as long as it's not his blood. I would be suprised if he has ever had his nose bloodied. Come on bill, you can't have a cool nick name like that without having been punched in the nose at least once, that would be a canard. I am sure their are thousands of people (myself included) who would be willing to help you with this little problem. I propose a Pavlovs dog exercise which will also also help you with your nonexistant reputation as a journalist and the aversion you have to speaking the truth. Each time you spin a web of mistruth or misinformation, one of our willing minions well drop by and deliver a resounding blow to your stuck up into the air proboscis. This exercise well help to improve your inability to recognize the difference between right from wrong and truth or lies. Iam sure that in one or two days you will earn the nickname bloody bill!***dibs on first** ps-- Was this not the job of his parents? did he have parents? were they scum as well?
kristol is an idiot that has gotten his words confused he has mixed up pride and shame. It's a shame this idiot is so proud of such a shamefull act. The murder of the Iraqi people!
Kristol has done more to muddy the political waters in your country than any other media pundit, but either I don't know what a "hissy fit" is, or Mr. Murphy is seeing something in this clip that I'm not.
If Kristol were a Correctional Officer and wrong that many times, he'd be dead.
As a self financed mouth piece born with money, he's rather nasal don't you think?
I would love to punch this smarmy little bastard in the face just once!
“Shouldn’t - seriously, I’m serious about this- shouldn’t all Americans be proud that?”
That's a classic example of a rhetorical ad hominem, a logical flaw. Is he suggesting you're not an American, or not a real American, if you disagree with him? Did ALL Americans ever agree on everything in our history?
His phrase is also an Appeal to Authority, but arrogantly enough his own.
It's also called Begging the Question, asking a question you're presuming to know the answer to.
And this guy has a PHD?
phhhhdddd....
It is a sad commentary on this administration that you can only entirely believe what an American general says until after they retire. It hasn't always been so.
I'll be proud when we have a manufacturing base.
abob @ 26:
Did Heston take a gun with him too shoot his way int heave n?
thanks ysbadden for the rhetoric link, one of my youngins is about to get educated..
bill w @ 45:
supposed to be "into" - sorry.
I am still boycotting the times over hiring this evil man.
to ysbad@42 phhhddd thats the guy in the old bb gum comics right? If you mix blue blood and red blood, does it make yellow blood?
Q: What is one thing Kristol and O'Reilly have in common?
A: They both attended Ivy League schools.
WTF?
Juan Williams points out that Petraeus is seen as a mouthpiece for the Bush administration
While he was at it, he should also have pointed that Kristol is seen as a mouthpiece for the Bush administration.
But he probably figures it just goes without saying.
Generals who become spin doctors for despots get a hearty FU from me. If his mouth is moving, he's lying.
seth @ 50:
Ever hear of legacies.
"Shouldn't we be proud... ???" Let's think on that.
andy @ 12:
You keep asking questions like that Andy, and you may find yourself dropped down the nearest memory hole.
lol..Look who the heck is saying be proud of betrayus?
Edwin Hussein (a boo$h booer) @ 54:
...thinking...thinking...
Nope. My pride went out the window the day Gerogie appeared in a flight suit with the "Mission Accomplished" banner flying in the breeze. That day sucked every last bit of pride out of me, I'm afraid.
Well,Bill should know. As a war vet,he knows what he's .....huh? He never served? He's been wrong about everything? Everything? Ever? Are you sure? But he's like the leader of the chickenhawks.. He actually loves and stalks Gen. Petrasus? Nah,c'mon ,really?
He's such a dick. Only on Fox (we distort,you decide) could he even show his face. Except for the daily show,but that's a comedy
show,which is what Kristol's all about.Jon Stewart tears him up.. He must be a comedian. Not funny,but a comedian none the less...
Peter G @ 53:
Yeah, but how did anyone with even a minute portion of their DNA get in?
JT @ 58:
Maybe someone will get the bright idea to team Bill up with Glen Beck? Now THAT could be funny. In a sad way, of course, but funny none the less.
"Shouldn't all American be proud of that (Petraeus' generalship)?"
No. There's nothing to be proud of. Petraeus is managing the military occupation of a country we invaded without legal or moral authority, and on false pretenses at that. Whether he's doing a good job or not from a military perspective is for others to judge; the fact that he doesn't belong there in the first place is the overriding consideration.
seth @ 50:
All sorts of morons have attended, even graduated from, Ivy League schools over the years. Not necessarily legacies even. Kristol has a good brain, but no life experience. All his statements come from an elitist point of view that is independent of objective reality. O'Reilly is just an angry self-pitying asshole.
Since Petreaus wears his Brown Badge of Courage on his nose, I'm not too sure that his behavior has earned my admiration.
Really! Petreaus saw that generals who spoke with unwelcome candor about the sorry state of the American occupaion of Iraq were fired, so he decides to lay the bullshit on with a trowel- just so long as he gets to be the Top Dog. Of course, Shrub and Darth don't believe he is truthful either, but his complicity in their crimes makes him reliable in their eyes.
Poor Billy. I wonder whom his father prefered having sex with, his wife or little Billy...
My mom was watching Kristol today. Her exact words, "That guy freaks me out. He's always smiling."
seth @ 50:
Many people with a high IQ lack common sense and humanity.
Krystol is one of the top mouthpieces for the American-Israeli lobby. If Hillary was campaigning to expand the war into Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon and/or Jordan, he would be singing her praises like Julie Andrews in "The Sound of Music". He would state that McCain 'lacked scope', or something equally stupid. He is a classic authoritarian 'follower'. I suspect he was constantly pushed down and made cry by the tough boys, until he promised them his lunch money and to do their homework. It is difficult to grow up as a wiener, without personal courage to fight back. But, now he gets to tough talk, act tough and send others to fight all the battles he was scared to fight himself. The real downside is, the stakes are not the same as schoolyard skirmishes. This is about the death of over a million Iraqis and over 4000 American soldiers. That does not include the uncounted number seriously wounded. Yes Bill, you are a real winner.
why do people like shit-for-brains kristol(which really sounds like a toilet cleaner name)
get away with their lies and then get to dumb down the already
less than conscious dumb downed americans with national
access? this country is really lost to complete complacency.
so go ahead America, watch those reality shows, that is,
until that
rightprivilege is removed too.Proud of the effort not so much the result.
Canuknotusa @ 39:
Thats one of the many problems with you Canuks. don't know a hissy fit from a hole in the head.
jwf @ 10:
Well that confirms it. I always thought he was in the closet just biting at the bit (so to speak) to come out. Just like half the other Republicans who like to gay bash.
Heterosexually yours,
Captain Kangaroo
yellow dog @ 30:
Dont forget Wolfowitz and Cheney.
I'm starting to suspect the General Petraeus-worship in the Bush Administration is even closer than I thought to Hindenburg and Ludendorf in Wilhelmine Germany. Those two, whose role Petraeus is increasingly seeming to fill ended up setting the stage for the rise of the Nazis through refusing to accept defeat. Watch as the coming disaster comes with a Dolchstosslegende free of charge, with a side of paramilitary violence and a king-sized helping of gulags.
The general is not supposed to be a talking head for the crime family. That is why he is truly general betrayus...he is a member of the Bush Crime Family who just says what they want us to hear. What the draft dodging cowards want us to hear. Remind me of what the military background is of Kristol, Bush, and Cheney? None. That is why they think a clusterf*ck should be called a success.
It's funny but even though Kristol is a Zionist it's not hard to picture him in an SS officer's uniform ordering the execution of innocent people.
Oh wait, there's a well-documented historical connection between Zionist zealots and the SS. Never mind.
Actually, O'Reilly went to Marist College in Poughkeepsie, NY.
What a scum.I can't stand the sight of this war criminal.
Legally he's not a war criminal because he was never in a position of command, he advocated.
Morally FNC is complicit in war crimes for giving troglodytes like Kristol a platform.
Mr. Hussein Pelicano @ 2:
F'ing hilarious!
So many flag wavers (or lapel-pin wearers), it's hard to choose...
Hussein sciguy Hussein (my middle name is not Hussein) @ 8:
Yet he keeps on smiling, don't he?
I say drop him and Lindsay Graham together in a foxhole somewhere in the Middle East--we'll never see 'em again, yet they'll be happy too.
seth @ 59:
In GWB's mouth or rectum.
Is like listening to Charles Manson dressed up in a suit and tie .
Oopsie
He's also using Argumentum ad Vercundiam as well as Argumentum ad Populum.
Proud of a lying sniviling administration puppet in a position of command in our military? I'm a veteran so all I can say to that is - FUCK THAT SHIT!
And that piece of ahit betrayus will just read the statement cheney prepared for him to Congress and spew bushshit in answer to questions.
Americans are less "proud" of war than they use to be, as We should be.
I RESPECT HIM--- HE IS RIGHT UP THERE WITH OTHER WAR HEROS....
DDUBYA "good bye viet nam" BUSH
DICK "got a cyst" CHENEY
COLIN "really guys... it is a good war" POWELL
CONDI "mushroom clouds... lots of mushroom clouds"
RUMMY "3 minutes, 5 seconds, maybe an hour, and no deaths" RUMSFIELD
ASSHOLE "glad its not me" ASHCROFT
..... and what ever happened to the mouths of ARI, WOLF-LACK-O-WITZ...etc....
BETRAYUS is just the NEXT GUY WE WILL NEVER FIND AFTER THE WAR...
......go John "the republican" Mccain.. ......go John "the republican" Mccain.. ......go John "the republican" Mccain.. ......go John "the republican" Mccain.. ......go John "the republican" Mccain.. ......go John "the republican" Mccain.. ......go John "the republican" Mccain..
Captain Kangaroo @ 71:
As a straight guy, I could never understand why this administration, which is filled with 50-somethings who are either unmarried or without significant others, uses such hateful anti-gay propoganda. Condi and the co-owner of her house Randy Bean, Josh Bolton, the chief of staff who collects pictures of dumbya's hands, porcine closet case Karl Rove, and the most famous example, Jeff/Jim Gannon/Guckert, a.k.a. gay male prostitute "Hot Military Stud", which somehow was dropped by the crackerjack Washington press corps, all seem like a group with a lot to hide.
Is it just me, or does the still pic of Kristol on this post look like Eric Cartman having a conniption fit?
Hey Willy... STFU!
Yeah, be proud of terrorists, traitors, and baby killers. That's what Republicanism is all about.
Yes, I'm proud that OUR COUNTRY has let a bunch of 21 century zionist nazis take the USA over and use it to fight israel's wars for them. Kristol and ALL of the neonazis in this country needs to be hanged from the neck until dead just like saddam, ALL OF THEM.
Toi Su @ 91:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Mw4iZxQPQ
"You see theres this "pop-socialology" going around where people are saying that the Shiite and the Sunni arent going to get along.. and theres been almost no evidence that thats going to occur."
- Bill Kristol.
Why is this guy still allowed to speak in public?
Mr. Hussein Pelicano @ 75:
WTF? Mind backing that up? Nazis saw Zionists as even worse than the average Jew. Please, do tell about how the movement that's most famous victims were Jews had Zionists (Jewish nationalists) in the group of them deliberately selected for killing the Jews? That's like saying Nazism was gay-tolerant!
karlo @ 92:
Zionists cannot be Nazis. Zionists are Jewish nationalists. Who were the Nazis killing at Babi Yar, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, and Spandau? You got it....Jews, nationalist and otherwise.
Kristol is no Neo-Nazi. He has not ordered the "Judeo-Bolshevist Zionist-occupied-government" to fight it's own battles like the realNeo-Nazis do. You really have no idea what Nazism is, do you? There's no way someone can be a Nazi, a nationalist racist who sees Jews as less than human, would fight the battle of a Jewish state.
Shut up. You're sounding like an idiot.
Every time I see this Kristol fairy, all I can think of is Jews for Jesus.
Does Betrayus use private contracters to protect him from his own troops.
zugzug @ 48:
Me too. Forget what an unbelievable moron Kristol is, it really is a devastating indictment on how far the NY Times has fallen as the standard-bearer for journalism in the U.S. Tommy Franks had it wrong. It might not be Feith after all. So what is the NY Times doing hiring the “f***ing stupidest guy on the face of the earth"?
Please tell me I'm not the first person who looked at this and thought
'LEAVE GENERAL PATRAEUS ALONE! ALL HE DOES IS SERVE OUR COUNTRY BY SERVING THE POLITICIANS WHO HAPPEN TO HAVE TRANSIENT CONTROL OVER THE LIMITED EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND BELIEVE THAT HE'S DOING ANYTHING BUT A MASSIVE DISSERVICE TO JUSTICE AND FREEDOM! ALL YOU PEOPLE WANT IS MORE, MORE, MOOORE!"
Heh heh, so the punditry has been reduced to the level of YouTube video-bloggers.
Then again, that might be a great insult to some of the Vloggers on there...
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