Christopher Hitchens to Andrew Sullivan: "Don't be such a lesbian"
By SilentPatriot Monday Apr 07, 2008 1:30pm
During an exchange on Tim Russert's show last weekend about the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Christopher Hitchens mocked his fellow Englishman Andrew Sullivan when he forgets the second point he was trying to make.
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SULLIVAN: Two things. One, it's important to clear up that he [Wright] did not say "The Jews are going to get you" in some conspiratorial, classic anti-Semitic fashion. I think that's just --
HITCHENS: He [Wright] thinks only Jews are going to object to [Rev. Louis] Farrakhan and [Libyan leader Moammar] Gadhafi. Excuse me?
SULLIVAN: No, he didn't say "only."
HITCHENS: No, but --
SULLIVAN: Again, you keep playing with that quote. We're happy to have it on the record. And now you've made me forget my second point, which is --
HITCHENS: Oh, well, don't be such a lesbian. Get on with it.
At least Sullivan doesn't seem to take offense to Hitchens' remark.
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Yeah but he was faced.
Nobody cares about Reverend Wright. That's what the GOP and media don't understand. Why are these two wankers on TV anyway? Have another drink, Chris.
This is a political discussion? Calling Sullivan a lesbian is an insult to all lesbians.
I dont get it.
A bald lesbian?
Funny how that comment comes right above a picture of Hillary.
Wha ? Are lesbians forgetful? Are most Matthews guests loaded when they're on his show? No wonder...
My response to this was simple bafflement.
I get that it's a joke, I just don't get the joke.
Clay @ 4:
Neither does Hitchens.
What's the difference between a thespian and a lesbian?
Sounds like a lovers spat.
Maybe limeys are prevented by law from calling each other queens.
P.D. @ 3:
And there you have it:Englishmen rising to the same high journalistic standards adhered to by those "Titans" of the American MSM...
What on Earth would we do with out them?
b @ 9:
A thespian gets paid per performance.
OT the hearings are going again and Biden is up
b @ 9:
A lisp?
It's just a stupid comment by someone desperate for attention.
Next up: Hitchens Defecates Loudly Into His Pants.
Yeah - what does that even MEAN?? It's just an all-purpose put down now? Like if calling a man a woman is bad its double bad if you're called a lesbian? I dunno, I suspect I've put more thought into than Hitchins has. "Hey, Christopher, don't be such a doofus!"
ysbaddaden @ 12:
Q.Whats the difference between a "circus" and a "whorehouse"?
scroll down.....................
A.A "circus" is a cunning array of stunts....
Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-change_atheist_bd06apr06,0,...
I still can't believe what I read on that link. Has anyone heard follow up. Monique Davis has Olbermanns "worlds worst" wrapped up. Where's the outrage?
As far as Hitchens it was a weird joke. Andrew Sullivan is openly gay and it sounds like some kind of inside joke about acting like a gay girl instead of a gay boy. Pretty bizarre exchange.
What is amazing about Christopher Hitchens is that he was such a vociferous critic of the Vietnam War and yet he has now become such a blatant apologist and enabler and supporter of the occupation of Iraq. One wonders why he has been so quick to accept the babblings of the neoconservatives as being true while having realized in the past that the Vietnam War was an utter failure. The man is a walking enigma.
"don't be such a lesbian"?
What does that even MEAN?
Hitchens either needs to drink more or less, I"m not sure which.
Why are there 2 limeys talking about US politics in the first place? And secondly what the heck are they talking about anyway?
This exchange reminds me of an updated--and much more affable--version of the Vidal/Buckley debate wherein Buckley called Vidal a "queer" and threatened to punch him out.If you haven't seen it,its a classic and can be accessed on YouTube.
Presumably this is an attempt at a more nearly acceptable version of the common (for people of the UK) expression, "Don't be such a c*nt." Strangely this expression seems rarely to be used in what would be perceived as a sexist context which makes it even more inexplicable. As an example, when a friend reached for a dinner check, his companion said, "Don't be such a......" The same friend told a joke in which a man identified as Israel Cohen was testifying when the judge asked him his religion. He responded, "Judge, don't be such a ..." Probably Hitchens found himself in the middle of this expression and grabbed the first word coming to mind to save himself.
Silly Hitchens! If Andrew Sullivan were a lesbian, then Chris Matthews would already be sexually assaulting him.
What do you get when you ask two Britsh twits about US policy? Absolutely nothing.
I don't get it either.
It's obviously an attempt at humor and meant to be an insult aimed at Sullivan, who is not a woman.
As such, it seems out of place and inappropriate.
It also bears no relation to anything that was said, or anything that we know about Sullivan.
It also doesn't make any sense.
Timmeh's sure getting a lot of mileage out of Rev. Wright. Old news. Where are all the discussions of Hagee? Not relevant?
With athiests like these, who needs xtians.
Sounds like two old queens bantering, if you ask me.
English humor?
My interpretation of the joke (such as it is), is dependent on Hitchens saying "Get on with it." I think Manly Man Chris is implying that lesbians are all about dithering tongues and not about sticking it to the job at hand. Sorry if nobody wanted to hear that.
goat hussien your right. Bringing up Wright over and over again. If anything, it hurt Hillary. I'm in Pennsylvaina and she is going down it the polls.
b @ 9:
the thespian is a city slicker and the lesbian is a...
Lieberman is on MSNBC with nora O'donnell. I think i'll hurl.
Hitchins, Sullivan and Russert together. Damn, I'm glad I missed that.
Oh god, the drama in that room must have been excruciatingly painful.
I feel sorry for the regular crew that had to put up with those two
inflated heads that day...they should get a bonus in their next pay
check.
"Don't be such a lesbian?" What a gratuitous insult. Hitchens is saying that lesbians are mentally weak.
I've known a few lesbians, and to me they seemed at least as intelligent as anybody else.
I agree with Hitchens on religion, but otherwise the guy has carved out a unique niche of assholishness.
Apparently that is why he keeps appearing on television.
Hitchens is relevant to our lives, WHY?
Marginalize the fool.
I like Sullivan, but he truly deserves that from Hitchens. Sullivan decided long ago to sleep with the Conservatives when he knew they hated his ass.
A very obscure joke from a cranky Englishman who's probably most of the way in the bag. Just one more off color remark from the MSM. Why is this post-worthy?
Sullivan has to engage in a battle of wits with numerous unarmed persons.
jimbo92107 @ 36:
Or maybe it wasn't an insult. Perhaps Andrew wears flannel,drives a pick up and owns a lab?
I don't beleive this. Bush on TV giving the parents of a fallen soldier the Medal of Honor. Today, of all days. This is shameless. It's a photo-op for sure. Now it's on all the networks. Unreal.
Hitchens is a hatemonger.
It's like watching Dr. Evil and Nigel Powers going at it.
Who gives a flying f*ck what these two teabags have to say. Andrew Sullivan is the biggest punk repub bootlicker on the boob tube. Make him go away.
personally, i don't like either of these guys...
but, sullivan was incredibly restrained in not coming back by remarking on the alcoholic that hitchens is. sullivan showed himself to be the bigger man.
it is common knowledge that sully is gay, but why did hitchens have to be such a dick? ooooh... he was drunk, gotcha.
Some thoughts:
1. Hitchens and Sullivan are friends...I think Hitch was just busting balls, and there was no greater meaning.
2. Hitchens is relevant because he has the guts to expose organized religion as the dangerous sham that it is...although dead wrong on the war, he is an invaluable voice against religious domination of politics.
Ruthless People @ 41:
You forgot the futon covered in cat fur.
I must be missing something. Of all the things to call Sullivan that wouldn't be it.
A methadol lab?
Correction: If I'm not mistaken, Hitchens recently became a US citizen.
That is all.
Liberal AND Proud @ 14:
Didn't Adrian Messenger have a lisp?
It's only 'cause they were at the same Annie DeFranco concert the night before.
Ruthless People @ 41:
I wear flannel, drive a pick-up, and own 3 labs. I must really be a lesbian.
Oh, and I love women. lol
nsr @ 1:
He always is, poor bastard. Any of you see that episode of Penn & Teller's "Bullshit" where Hitchens was passed out on the set? He's never to be taken seriously.
Oh really people? I'm a lesbian and it was a very homophobic and sexist comment. Coming from gay conservatives though, it is very telling that none of you think it even matters.
I recall being called a dyke and lesbian before I actually was one, merely because I played high school basketball. And, I was(am) feminine looking. "Don't you dare tread where only guys tread."
To have a gay man call another gay man a "lesbian" in a deragatory way is par for the course. But as far as these bloggers, it makes sense now that all of you cut Hillary down as much as you can.
You can't stand the thought of a woman being president . . . or even running for president . . . or having a single opinion. Why are you so afraid of a strong woman? Ridiculous.
The latest dem supporters whose vitriole towards Hillary is shameful, are morphing more and more into Limbaugh, Hannity, and Savage. And, thanks to this sublime enabling sexism, I, for one, will not vote for Obama if he is the nominee. I would have 6 months ago.
. . . I ain't the only former Dem in this position either.
They both look like finalists in the Monty Python , TWIT of the YEAR competition .
57 Phlipper - So, that leaves; McBush, Nader or I'm staying home and not voting because all these people were so mean to Hillary.
they both suck. no pun intended.
Phlipper @ 57:
Not voting for Obama? Well, ok, but what does one have to do with the other? Do you think Obama is a homophobe?
Please, whatever you do, don't vote for McCain just because Hillary drops out. At least vote for him because you prefer him over Obama. (assuming those are your two choices, of course! Nader will still be out there, plus you can always do a write-in, etc etc)
By the by, I have read this thread and it appears to me that most people here find the comment by Hitchens offensive, laughable, lampoonable (ok, not a real word), or outright dismissable.
Sorry, I don't get it. But then again, I don't get Christopher Hitchens, either.
One moment he sounds like the voice of reason,
the next he sounds like some kind of reactionary kook,
and before you know it, he is sounding exactly like every other vacuous, self-absorbed, obsequious, amoral, ladder-climbing, lever-pressing MSM automaton currently polluting our public discourse.
Hope I didn't overdo it.
The first time I ever heard Hitchens speak on da EM ESS EM, he sounded pretty cool (and, amazingly sober). However, once I saw him with Chris Matthews and he was supporting the war in Iraq I washed my hands of him. Whoever wants him can keep him as far as I'm concerned. Some people can be lit-sauced in public and get away with it, like Hunter S. Thompson. Hitchens is NOT one of those people unfortunately, and as an atheist, he embarrasses me.
I thought the joke was pretty obvious. Sullivan is a homosexual (not news) and Hitchens was calling him a ditz - in the sense of a female blonde airhead - for forgetting his second point. Put the two together and Sullivan is a lesbian. It's a typical Hitchens style barb and one that fell flat. I think people are reading far too much into it. This is the blog equivalent of discussing haircuts or cackles or bowling scores.
Aside from pointing out that it might offend someone... why take the time to even put it on the site? Who cares?
BIGBONEDED @ 58:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSqkdcT25ss
Hitchens exemplifies the neo-con Schachtmanite tendency to move from left to extreme right, motivated in this case by an extreme contempt and hatred of Islam. In this regard, whatever America's other crimes (which Hitchens has highlighted in his case against Kissinger) defeating and destroying the Islamic world takes precedence. In order to do this, Hitchens has to become a propagandist for the US cause which he does with gusto. Once a Trot, always a trot.
Phlipper, TalkLeft called. They want their pulpit back.
Phlipper @ 59:
Has Obama offended the gay community in any way? Please inform.
strikes me as absurd british humor, possibly an inside joke between the two brits, let's move on.
Are lesbians particularly forgetful? No, but time-traveling lesbians can often seem so.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fHxZ9QF85i8
Phlipper @ 59:
i think the idea that people arent supporting hillary bc shes a woman is ridiculous. there are a lot of reasons that people support barack over hillary. the woman bashing meme is sad and perpetuating it does a disservice to women in its own way. yes me and all other barack supporters find the idea of a woman president so abhorrent that we wouldnt vote for her. give me a break, while im sure there is some animosity towards her bc she has an innie i dont think its to the extant many hillary supporters believe. trust me if she is the nominee it would take a lot for me not to vote for her.
59 Phlipper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E72SznGatOw
great way to waste a thread.
A gay guy who strolls with an ideology that would murder him and hang his skin out as a flag to discourage others... and a drunken asshole bigot with some valid points and some FUCKING weird ones.
Yeah what a great show... NEXT.
CoIntelPro - against Divisive Democrats @ 76:
No, that would be polyester leisure suits.
I'd rather be a lesbian than be John McCain's "trollop-c*nt"
Here's why it's funny: Watching the whole interview (which is a good one btw, much more nuanced than regular US TV) it's obvious that the two have a very cordial relationship. So when the openly gay Sullivan was thrown off course by Hitchens' comments one could say "Don't be such a sissy!" but Hitchens 'translated' that into the 'corresponding' gay version.
I thought it was super funny. And you guys have to loosen up a bit. Obviously, Sullivan thinks the same according to his blog.
prodaddy @ 49:
Yeah I quite like to hear him on that topic and he provides a much needed voice on religion. And I enjoyed his book 'God is not great' (though it's not particularly well written).
But he seems to lose his rationality in any other realm. Weird.
Somebody call code pink and Al Sharpton, I'm sure some woman was offended by this!
i though it was hysterical. Im a straight male with a couple gay friends, and they say things to each other far far worse than this.
ecuwop @ 81:
I give Hitch some credit for being his own guy. Conservatives hate him for his irreligiousity and liberals hate him for his neocon warmongering. It's clear that he just enjoys pissing people off, and I can respect that :)
He is delusional about the war, but he at least makes the proper MORAL case for it (ie supporting assholes like Saddam is bad and will inevitably get us in this kind of mess one way or another.)
The problem is that he equates the cause for war with the viability of the plan and fails to see that opposition to the war isn't just based on a moral opposition to its ends, but also on the foreseeable disaster that the pre-war planning was marching us into.
Here's a thing, tho, why does everyone act as if our failure to find weapons of mass destruction is a BAD thing?
I know it was a big part of the sales pitch, but the presence or absence of weapons was not likely to change the basic situation on the ground once we occupied. So, if we had found weapons, that means we'd be policing a civil war with ROGUE FUEL AIR EXPLOSIVES in the field.
What we are in right now is the BEST CASE scenario that could have been predicted given the absolutely idiotic war plan we executed. That was the reason to oppose it.
This is it. This is the rosy 'A' scenario.
Uh, I think that they are friends...
Hitchens rules.
Excuse me, but I have 2 Huskies and a German Shepherd. Oh, and two cats.
I do play guitar and softball.
Seriously, I think Hitchens' insult is a double whammy - not only is he calling Sullivan a woman, but a woman who loves other women. It's double misogyny.
I suspect Hitchens has a very small penis ...
I guess Hitchens hit the sauce too hard during this taping. You don't really think that's coffee in that mug?
Maybe he doesn't like Rachel Maddow? This is his way of denigrating both? Hitchens is decompensating rapidly...
nonbeliever @ 88:
Sure, Irish Coffee.
WELDON @ 18:
I think you're reading waaaaayyyyy too much into this. Sullivan is openly gay, Chris H is simply teasing Sullivan in gay vernacular. Rather than call him a sissy, queen, queer, etc. (which would be offensive), he's basically teasing Sullivan using a term Sullivan's mates would use. Sorry, in the gay community (both male and female), they call each other fags, queers, lesbians, dykes, bull-dykes, nelly bottoms, and all sorts of other names. Just like in the black community they use the N-word, etc. We can argue about whether its proper, even when teasing or within a community, but methinks you've gone too far into womyn's studies for this set of circumstances.
Chris was just being a bitch.
Give me a break. 2 friends were just joshing each other. Lesbian this. Who cares?
The point that is lost is that Barry Hussein Obama is a religious NUTcase and all of you so called "progressives" refuse to accept that.
{{{49 prodaddy Says}}}: Some thoughts:
1. Hitchens and Sullivan are friends…I think Hitch was just busting balls, and there was no greater meaning.
2. Hitchens is relevant because he has the guts to expose organized religion as the dangerous sham that it is…although dead wrong on the war, he is an invaluable voice against religious domination of politics.
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---->Sounds about right to me. The Brits have their own slang, and, although I don't know what this expression means, it seemed rather innocuous.
Lots of people were wrong about the war, SADLY. (Not getting into all that, here.) What is important NOW, is what they are doing to END IT. Fighting against religious wing-nuts is a VERY GOOD THING, indeed.
Love him or hate him Hitchens is a kick. Personally, I love both love him and hate him. His frontal assault on religion is exactly what we need right now in this insanely religious back-ass country of ours. He's a much needed voice of reason in that regard. As for his friendly ribbing to Andrew Sullivan.. judging from both of them cracking up over it, I'd say it was all in good fun. You don't often see Hitchens crack a smile let alone lose his composure like that. They were both getting an endorphine rush off each other.. and that is good thing. Hitchens strikes me as a deeply compassionate human being. I just think he's a bit myopic for not forseeing what the experts were all telling us.. then again, he is the very definition of a "contrarian".
Battle to the death... winner to be killed.
Edwin Hussein (a boo$h booer) @ 94:
Yes, many people were wrong about the war and we should respect those who want to end it now. However, Hitchens doesn't want to end the war and he has repeatly brought up debunked reasons for going into Iraq. I think he must get "Curveball's" (the Iraqi informant prior to the war) messages sent directly to his ear when he is front of the camera.
If you are an Athiest, like I am, or just a liberal Christian/Muslim then you should realize Richard Dawkins has done much more to combat religious fundamentalism. Dawkins was against the war from the start--many Democratic senators can't say that. I like Christopher Hitchens, but he just doesn't make anything "secular" look good.
I thought all Brits were lesbians.
British humour, I guess.
England's Hitchens is coming home... to roost!
Oh, and this thread is making me hot.
You Americans just don't get irony at all. So it is true?
Hitchens if anything is a wit, when he puts his mind to it!
Hitchens and Sullivan seem pretty friendly and respectful of one another, it seemed like an inside joke to me not an insult.
Erroll @ 20:
I read Hitchens's book God Is Not Great, and he really has a thing about Muslims because Salman Rushdie is a friend of his and as you know, there was a fatwa issued against Rushdie for his book Satanic Verses. In addition to that, people involved with the publication of Satantic Verses were threatened, beaten, and even assassinated. So it's a very personal issue with Hitchens which has overruled his pacifism and caused him to turn a blind eye to the sufferings of millions of innocent Iraqi Muslims. It's very disheartening that an intellectual like him has adopted the view that the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.
Rick @ 95:
Thank goodness somebody gets it. I'm a big fan of Hitchens myself, but the point is that calling Sullivan a lesbian wasn't meant to be hurtful and it wasn't being offered as a real point on anything. Good natured fun.
1) Both Hitchens and Sullivan are American citizens, so stop saying they have no right to comment on US politics.
2) Hitchen's and Sullivan are pals, it was a joke in which Sullivan laughed at.
3) This statement is taken out of context, the discussion was one of the most fun hours of cable news I've seen in some time. Both these two know how to throw around insults and be amazingly viscous to Politicians, it was great to watch not one candidate was spared the lash.
4) get your panties out of a bunch, you're taking it all too seriously.
naschkatzeHussein @ 103:
You're completely off the mark. Yes, Hitchens does reference what happened to Salman Rushdie but it's hardly his only problem with radical Islam.
Furthermore, if you knew much about Hitchens you'd know his supreme respect and support for the Kurds (a majority Muslim people).
Stop talking out of your ass.
Hitchens did a similar thing to Dan Savage on Bill Maher's show. He called him "darling" or something like that, clearly intended to offend the gay guy. Naturally, Savage was too polite to call Hitchens a fat-ass alcoholic douchebag.
Phlipper @ 59:
I can't help but agree that the anti-Hillary vitriole is shameful. Worse than that ii is ill-informed and counter-productive since whoever becomes the nominee will need every democratic vote but what has that to do with Senator Obama. I am unaware of any statement he has made that would displease the gay/lesbian community. As far as Hitchens comment goes the general reaction here appears to be puzzlement at what stereotype about lesbians he refers to. Certainly it isn't ringing any bells here. You ask for universal condemnation but none of us seem to be sure exactly what we're condemning. Sullivan, who is gay, did not seem to take offense.
And to think Hitchens is a fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution.
So by Hitch's definition, a lesbian actually thinks out her arguments instead of making brief out-of-turn comments.
Tom Piltoff at 106, I completely stand by what I got out of God Is Not Great re Hitchens's attitude to Islam, and you have bugs up yours.
one of the best sunday shows I've seen in a while, funny and to the point, especially when CH says, in reference to Hillary playing the gender card card, ...'what a terrible woman'... then went on to talk about how Maggie Thatcher would never claim the 'boys' are ganging up against her.
naschkatzeHussein @ 111:
Well said. Your comments at #103 are intelligently stated.
What's her problem?
Peter G @ 108:
Peter, I was about to answer Philliper's comment when I got a call that forced me to dash, but I couldn't have put it any better than you did.
But you did fail to ask this question (don't sweat it- you're forgiven): Since when is Hitchens gay?
sullivan is not english. he is irish. you should have said fellow brit but hitch is now an american citizen.
Jiminy Jilliker @ 7:
He was just being silly and we're being thin-skinned and thinking far too hard about it.
I'm not addressing whether or not Chris' comments were correct, because it's in the eye of the beholder. I think it was a little colloquialism from a man who already has a reputation for ruffling feathers with his brusque manner of speaking.
I'm no fan of Hitchens but I loathe the oversensitive nattering found in threads like this when there remain pressing issues in the United States that need addressing. I don't care what people think of what Wright said anymore than I care about what Hitchens said that might offend a bunch of old ladies. This is why the Republican Party is able to characterize liberals as cowardly, oversensitive nincompoops, as unfair or as hypocritical as it may be. And Phlipper, I say this as a Canadian who thinks Hillary Clinton ought to be President and who clearly has very little love for Mr. Hitchens.
Let's discuss things that matter instead of taking ourselves too damn seriously.
naschkatzeHussein @ 103:
he has thing against muslims because muslims have wrecked the english society with huge influx of illegals especially the pakis in bradford area and sat on the welfare without working. that is why most in europe dislike muslims.
Er, no. I haven't seen the episode in question, but Hitchens uses phrases like 'my love' and 'my dear' fairly often towards both genders. Hitchens has never exhibited, to my knowledge, any real anti-homosexual tendencies.
naschkatzeHussein @ 111:
That doesn't mean you aren't simply incorrect. Hitchens quite eloquently explains his anti-theism every time he speaks or writes about it. To take his diatribes against all religion and conclude that his only problem with Islam is that a friend of his received threats is ridiculous.
viv @ 118:
raker @ 107:
He has explained his reasoning as to why he believes Iraq is different from Vietnam. Look it up.
And let's be clear: Hitchens doesn't have a misguided bias against Islam. Obviously he loathes all religion, Islam being somewhat of a focus as it's the best example today of what can happen when religion is taken deadly seriously.
Tom Piltoff @ 119:
Actually, I think Christianity wins that one, hands down. Listen to the American nitwits rail and moan about 'their' God...
Hitchens will be a William Buckley replacement as he ages.....These guys lull you into thinking they are really superior intellects and wise but I think they are petulant braggarts.....they earn a living sounding wise and risking nothing.
That was almost too random to be homophobic. I have to admit I chuckled. Of course it was in poor taste, but ultimately it was just too nonsensical to really offend me. These are not the nappy headed hoes you are looking for, to mix metaphysical meta-metaphors.
hitchens is a drunk asshole, but he can be entertaining
Give Americans a pile of shit, add an English accent, and they'll eat it for breakfast and go "yummy".
miss_kitty Hussein @ 120:
Not to downplay the danger of Christianity, but Christians are not blowing up girls schools, or honor killing their daughters, flying airplanes into buildings, etc, etc, etc. Modern day radical Islam remains the easiest reference point for dangerous religion.
lol, take *that* lesbians!
Andrew Sullivan's sexist ravings against Hillary have hugely overtopped
the lone "lesbian" comment.
I think he's calling him a "f*ggot" or something similar (in his friendly asshole way) but uses lesbian (a more acceptable term) to pull his jab a bit. I don't think it really has anything to do with lesbians or their habits. He's taking a swing with the stereotype of gay men being flighty and indecisive. Sullivan is gay iirc.
I was surprised by this discussion. I thought Hitchens' joke was obvious. It's just a dumb pun on the word thespian. You see, you can say "don't be such a thespian", meaning don't be so melodramatic, but Hitchens just decided to make it a little funnier by using the word lesbian instead. Just sheer silliness between friends, it seems to me. Like when somebody cracks wise, and you say "Everybody's a Canadian" or when you call your sister's car her "Vulva". Funny!
For me they are both British media whores -- telling America what is wrong here and why Hillary is the devil. I no longer pause when they are on the TV, I just move on. Like I do Keith O now...all three in their own way apoligists for babyjesus-obama.
I'm sorry I missed that segment. Hitchens is one of the very few people in public life that I'd like to meet. His essays in Vanity Fair are a must-read and I find I agree with him on everything except the Iraq war. Can't figure that one out. May he just felt like being contrary on the subject. Sullivan is another matter altogether...
Potboiler @ 124:
LMAO!!!!! That was hilarious!!!
Of course Sullivan didn't object to Hitchens' remark. One only has to read anything he says about Hillary Clinton to see that that he's a roaring misogynist. He might have come around to sensible views on a lot of things, but he's still a vain-glorious hack.
is he insulting sullivan or lesbians? i dont know but its hilarious that he would say that. i cant wait to hear what hes got to say about monique davis.
viv @ 118:
Viv? Try that again--in the original German, this time.
bubba @ 128:
And why would "lesbian" imply "flighty and indecisive"? Because the sexist stereotype is that women are flighty and indecisive. I hope that clears things up for you.
Why is "lesbian" a more acceptable term than "f*ggot"? Why is "arab-american" more acceptable than "n*gger"? Chew on that.
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