To every Sunday, there is spin, spin, spin...not least from the Iraqi fiasco's biggest cheerleader, William "The Bloody" Kristol who apparently thinks that enthusiastic consistency makes up for being 100% wrong on about everything he says. On FOXNews Sunday he furthers the new neo-con meme of the Iranian threat, which is absent any evidence other than the neo-cons' insistence that they are a threat. Pay no attention that it's the same rhetoric used to go after the Taliban, then Saddam, then al Qaeda in Iraq. Juan Williams points out that Kristol's war-mongering is getting a little old.
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WALLACE: Bill on the policy side, and it’s what I talked about with Stephen Hadley, perhaps the most striking development this week was the increased and new focus on Iraq, on Iran rather, not al Qaeda as the central threat to our interest in Iraq. What's up, what's going on there?
KRISTOL: Well what's going on is that we've done so much damage to al Qaeda, they've been pushed up north toward Mosul. I think we're going to continue to reduce their effectiveness, and so now the Iranian-backed Shi’a extremists are the major threat. That's good, not bad. We have virtually wiped out al Qaeda in Iraq which al Qaeda said over and over was the central front of their battle against the US. Uh I think now Iran comes more into focus. Uh we need to, we have to see how much we can do to deter Iran from uh uh, complicating things in the south with the Shi’a, but the good news is the Iraqi Shi’a government which which was supposed to be a puppet and pawn of Iran has turned against the Iranian-backed Shi’a militia. Politically, I think this is good for McCain for this reason: What's the main challenge of the next President? Dealing with Iran. Dealing with Iran's attempts to get mutual hegemony. Dealing with Iran's attempt to destabilize Iraq. Dealing with Iran's attempt to get nuclear weapons. Who do you want dealing with Iran over the next four years? McCain or Obama? I think that's good for McCain.
WILLIAMS: I don’t think it’s good for McCain because I think it makes the war a bigger issue. I mean, the whole rationale that was put forward this week still focused on al Qaeda. And as you have just said, the United States military has done a good job of dealing with al Qaeda. So then the argument becomes: if things are getting better, why do we need to stay? Oh no, because if we leave, things will get worse. But wait a second, you’ve dealt with al Qaeda, and now we shift to Iran, you know, the new devil in the picture. I think at some point the…it just strains credibility. Ands when you put Gen. Petraeus there saying, you know, where’s the political progress, it’s almost like you’re talking to the wrong person. You should be talking to President Bush and his team about why there has been no political stability developed in Iraq given that the U.S. military has provided this long time frame from which progress could be made.
Iraq is a full employment program for the war profiteers.
War good, peace bad.
Alice Hussein @ 1:
Iran would be triple the bonanza. Of course, we are borrowing the money. When the bills come due the crap will hit the fan. It has already started.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
We have always been at war with Oceania.
Does anyone watch these shows, that does not yell and scream wondering what planet these people live on? Do you not wonder, why their versions of reality are so far away from the official version as to be completely whacked? Does anybody really think that one of the "leaders" of the two official parties, actually openly thinks or admits that they are in power for the nation or corporate rich? Honestly, I always wondered about this grassroots idea. Great idea, except you never ever see a grassroots candidate wield any kind of real power. What does anyone have in common with Nancy Pelosi, that would make anybody think she gives one iota about you or anyone else? Is she not part of the rich elite? How about John Kerry? Howard Dean? Bill or Hill Clinton? McCain? John Edwards? These people spend more on a damn haircut than a big percentage of people earn in a week. Think they really deep down give a shit?
Why does C&L continue to showcase this asshole... I don't watch him on TV and I don't read the things he writes... He's proven himself to be a contemptible warmonger and a miserable prognosticator yet C&L keeps showcasing this guy to show us what?!? C&L, we get it! So turn off your scrutiny of this guy... Those of us who know him don't pay any attention anyway... So what's the point?
Alice Hussein @ 3:
Well the crap will only hit the fan for the little people. Everyone else will receive tax-payer funded bailouts and CEO golden parachutes.
Bill Kristol: Just as a dog returns to its vomit.
Vexed @ 6:
C&L keeps posting about him because this a**hole is still being taken seriously by the MSM!
Erm, it wasn't more than few weeks ago that all the SmartPeople were telling us that Iraq had essentially disappeared from the news--which was supposed to be really good for McCain, who is inextricably tied to the Bush Occupation. Now, suddenly, attention to the disaster in Iraq is good for McCain? Bill Kristol, "It doesn't really matter what I say, because none of it makes any sense and I still get paid, anyway."
Vexed @ 6:
Actually, when the internet dies in the not too distant future, the concept of informing those who do not know will be lost completely. Good news though, I've read they are working on a better "version" of the internet that will have the capability to send and download the entire Rolling Stones catalogue from England to Japan in less than 2 seconds. It will be unveiled this year! Then where will advertisers reap their income that the internet has evolved into?
As for Kristol, everyone knows he's a retard.
Leslie @ 9:
Mainstream Media takes themselves seriously, even though everyone knows they are nothing more than shills and corporate whores.
One must first have credibility in order to strain credibility.
Irving's offspring has no credibility and he never will.
We wiped out Iran's biggest threat. We allowed Shiites to take power in Iraq. Iran's new found power is Bush's legacy.
What Democratic candidates can win on is the fact that the US economy won't hold an even bigger war with Iran. The best way to protest these wars is to boycott the bankers- Made in China, Wal-Mart. If they start losing money from US consumers, they'll cut off the cash flow.
"Strains credibility"????
It's more like their credibility has been smashed to a million little eggshell pieces.
All the king's horses, and all the king's men can't put it back together again.
Juan Williams is a tool...a veritable fountain of horseshit!!
We will never leave Iraq because Halliburton won't let us!!!
WTF!! It's as plain as the strangle hold that lobbyists have on Congress, as plain as the outsourcing of American jobs for higher corporate dividends, as plain as the 2 million people we have behind bars, as plain as the nose on an uninsured child's face.
We need to really clean house!
Kristol reminds me of a crack dealer trying to peddle his goods except Kristol doesn't peddle crack. He peddles war. Sure, he tells you how great you'll feel and that you'll be a hero. What he doesn't tell you is the price you will pay if you take his drug. If you try to kick the addiction he will tell you all sorts of horrible things that will happen to you if you stop buying what he is selling. His drug plays on the ignorant, the fearful and and to those men that feel less than manly about themselves.
ConcernedCanuck @ 12:
marko @ 18:
marko @ 18:
Joe O. @ 17:
But Kristol does peddle his crack. Myrdoch and Ailes are his pimps.
marko @ 16:
The US military will be in Iraq for at least another 50 years. There is no way they are leaving regardless what some election promise states. Just got a breaking newsflash from the media..........politicians lie!
Americans still want to win the war on terror so this could be a plus for him now that we are winning...
William Kristol-meth....very appropriate name for nutty-neocon-numbskull. Nutty-neocons need to establish better ground rules for creating their own realities.
chris @ 23:
Tell us Chrissy, how do you define winning?
Kristol: "Dealing with Iran’s attempt to destabilize Iraq."
Yeah like broker cease-fires and call on hostilities to end. Damn those destabilizing Iranians!!
Obama is going to kick McCain's ass. The media are going to look very stupid before this is over. (More stupider if it's possible).
chris @ 23:
I'd love to see how one wins a war on a verb. Because that is exactly what "terrorism" is. Its a violent action or a method carried about by a person, group or nation.
What is it with Faux News and all the reruns?
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The people are on to this clown and Fox News.
This man has been deceiving Americans and has been wrong about everything in Iraq. He is still wrong.
He currently serves as a foreign policy advisor to Senator John McCain's presidential campaign.
Chickenhawk
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bill_Kristol_Pundit.__Chickenhawk._Nosepic...
chris @ 23:
"And tell them what they win John...........all right Chris, you have won an all expense paid vacation in smoke filled Iraq! *audience applause with oohs and ahs*.....You'll fly into Baghdad courtesy of US Air Force Airlines, while dodging real sniper fire. Once there, you will stay at the beautiful Iraqi Camouflage Motel where you'll enjoy unrefined dining while dodging grenade and rocket attacks. The actual retail price of your package is irrelevant as the cost to you is zero........and now back to you John."
Joe O. @ 28:
You have to understand Chris. He's young, impressionable, and not very educated yet. Given time I'm sure he'll grow up and figure out that he has been lied to. Either that or he'll continue trolling.
Leslie @ 25:
Well, Leslie... just like every thing he does: by pulling it out of his ass....
chris @ 23:
I actually do admire you for taking a stand, and for sticking to a strong opinion, and for voicing that opinion.
but thinking you're right about something, doesn't make you right.
here's a lot of polls that you should review. what "Americans still want" doesn't statistically sync up with what you think "Americans still want"... - note, these polls are an accumulation of USA Today, the Wall Street Journal, CNN, FOX, CBS, MSNBC, Gallup, and many others. they're quite objective...
http://www.pollingreport.com/terror.htm
stevo @ 8:
Except we Americans are forced to lick it up.
Joe O. @ 28:
I'd love for you to see what happens if you don't when so then you can stop swallowing hole everything out of Noam Chomsky's mouth.
The Dude @ 33:
Like all chickenhawks Chrissy defines winning when it's not he or his kids being killed in the Bush's war on Tara.
chris @ 35:
What's the matter Chris, you can't answer a simple question? Come on, you're always complaining how no one wants to engage you in serious dialogue... So what's your definition of winning?
chris @ 35:
Yea, because Bush, Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz, Frum, Kristol, Brooks, Gozno, Rice, Rumsfeld, FOX Propaganda and Rush Limpnuts are SO much more credible than Chomsky. I sure you have no room for dessert with all the lies and bullshit you've been swallowing from the reich wingers and neoconjobs.
Leslie @ 25:
Well babe, defeating the terrorist and vastly reducing the chances an attack comes out of Iraq later..
Ruthless People @ 38:
Like so many academics Chomsky spent his life in a university, which the land of theory, these other people have real world experience and see things for how they really are and not in the library at MIT.....
Kristol Meth is always wearing that same tired "Neocon Beige" jacket. Does he have one Neocon Beige jacket for each day of the week or does he wear the same one everyday?
chris @ 40:
They've got real world experience alright. Sending somebody else's kids off to die in a war that their chickenhawks cowardly asses would never fight in or have their own kids fight it. They also have great experience it turing the Clinton legacy of peace and prosperity into record deficits and endless wars. Which begs the question Chrissy, why do you and your fellow conservatives hate America so much?
Why do we continue to give this chickensh$t, chickenhawk, warmongering, coward space? This blood thirsty bastard is the lowest form of scumbag this world has to offer. He and this Bush Crime Family belong in prison for war crimes.
chris @ 39:
Reich Wing talking point #129.
See also Reich Wing talking point #163: "We have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here".
The go wet your bed and cower in fear until the next election where you can vote against your own the country's best interest by supporting the GOP candidate.
Ruthless People @ 42:
Peace and prosperity?? First World Trade Center, Somalia, USS Cole, 2 Embassy's , what peace, these people were preparing for war and Clinton was to busy playing golf or getting head. The only reason the economy was so great because of what Reagan did before him. Also don't even get me started on how the moral fiber of this country when to hell under clinton, if it feels good do it, I never enhaled! I feel your pain etc.... We need to get this country back to its roots..
FOX hit the streets to try and find people angry about the word 'bitter'
what they found instead was that everyone agrees with Obama, even people who arent voting for him:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/13/133215/180/386/494887
If I had a rich mommy and daddy, and there was a war I was avoiding, I'd be a PhD too.
chris @ 35:
Wow, do mentally handicapped trolls feel so threatened by the cognitive capabilities of anyone with an IQ of 2 or more digits?
Because only a retard would see fit to equate the likes of Noam Chomsky with the likes of Kristol.
Let's see....
Chomsky, Professor and chair at MIT, one of the most important linguist of our time. His work in grammars serves as the back bone of a lot of technology, esp. compilers, that allows the likes of you to submit their garbage onto the internet. He is a humanitarian, a decent human being, and has made a lot of contributions to better the human race.
Kristol, well he was the brains behind Dan Quayle.
Yeah, I can see the similarities in skill and finesse...
...my apologies for feeding the troll though.
chris @ 39:
I'm not your "babe." And there's a problem with your definition:
1) there were no terrorists in Iraq prior to the US invasion
2) the number of al Qaeda terrorists in Iraq is less than 1%, and the Iraqis [Sunni and Shia] hate them and will kill them on sight
3) Iraq didn't have WMD to launch an attack against the US prior to the US invasion and doesn't have any now
4) Since the US invasion, however, the US State Dept. has reported that the number of terrorist attacks has increased dramatically worldwide [See: London, Madrid, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Bali, etc.] Because the invasion of Iraq has enabled al Qaeda to reorganize in Pakistan, where they're receiving a lot of funding from the Saudis.
chris @ 45:
When are you going to complete a thought without misspelling words?
Why are miscreants such as Kristol still on the air? Pathetic.
Ron @ 50:
When you guys stop trying to driving the country into the ground, so then I won't be so angry I type fast and mis-spell words. Now do you have a pithy reply to my comment?
Most incidents during the Clinton years were overseas not stateside. The first attempt on the World Trade Center did little damage, and the perpetrators were caught, tried, convicted, and imprisoned. There's little indication that they were attached to Al Qaeda, although they may've inspired the second attempts that happened a year into boosh time, after a PDB was issued, Ben Laden Determined to Attack in the United States.
As for the economy during the Clinton years it had nothing to do with ray gun who ran on cutting a 200 year old deficit and instead doubled it in eight. Pappa boosh signing off on Bob Dole's tax increases help minimized some of the damage. The internet boom helped fuel the improving economy during the Clinton years, along with Clinton's DLC based friendliness to business. Al Gore's Reinvention of the Government reduced reams of regulations on businesses that were created by Dan Quayle's Council for Competitive Fitness.
When the tech-bubble burst, it was after boosh took office, and the only recession was the shortest one on record, but the longest to recover from, showing Clinton left a strong economy, but boosh hurt the recovery in terms of job creation and wages. In fact, after boosh was appointed unconstitutionally by the Supremes he was talking down the economy as American consumers were preparing to open their wallets for Christmas shopping.
chris @ 40:
Interesting case of projection, see as a troll you spend all your time under a bridge. And thus you think that us "academics" spend all our time in the library.
Yes, them PhDs... soo "academic" and removed. With all their knowledge, analytical capabilities, and capabilities for objective reasoning.
As a PhD myself, I am willing to wager that Chomsky knows more about reality from his MIT office, than you do from your mom's basement.
Ron @ 50:
Can you ask the storm to hold off the thunder?
Can you ask the blizzard to not carry snow?
I forgot to mention, that even before Bubba signed off on the welfare reform bill, he loosened restrictions on the state on how to apply federal welfare dollars. He saw them as 50 mini laboratories and if something really clicked he would apply it on the national level.
Even when he signed off on the welfare reform bill, it was with the belief that the federal government would relax the three year maximum pay-outs if the economy was bad, but during his time was so good.
The Dude @ 55:
Can you ask the dawg not to lick himself?
Kristol says, "...but the good news is the Iraqi Shi’a government which which was supposed to be a puppet and pawn of Iran has turned against the Iranian-backed Shi’a militia.
And nobody is calling him on this? The Mahdi militia is not Iranian backed. It is a nativist Iraqi force. This sort of gaffe is on a par with McCain confabulating Sunni and Shia.
chris @ 52:
Not pithy but, if you are trying to make a point, the spelling of words emphasizes your point. It is not us that are driving the country into the ground. Nice Faux news method of trying to blame the opposition, though.
MarinatedInSmog @ 14:
You mean we wiped out Israel?
Iraq was nothing, Saddam couldn't even take out the Khomeini regime when everything could have gone his way in 1980.
As for this, I want Obama in the White House, not McCain when Iran comes up, dammit! We don't want nor need a third unwinnable war in a decade, certainly not at the same time.
chris @ 52:
Ironically, I always thought that education, work ethic, and respect for democratic ideals were supposed to be assets... you obviously see them as handicaps.
Also you must have missed the fact that your buddies have been in power for the better part of the decade, not us libs. So for being so much for personal responsibility, you really have a gift for passing the buck from the people in charge to some bunch of internet bloggers.
It boggles the mind really. Are trolls like you born that stupid, or do you guys follow some sort of intense training regime to improve upon the stupidity which the good lord saw fit to provide you guys at birth?
58 freddy
That's hard to say. It's clear Muqtada Al Sadr is friendlier to Iran than the national government, but they're all Shia. Often reports are he's hiding in Iran.
And I believe only recently our guy, Nouri Al Malki was chumming it up in photographs with
President Mahmoud Ahmahdinejad.
Funny how conservatives under ray gun were deficit hawks, while he was running one of the biggest deficits in our history, became deficit apologists while boosh jr. was running endless wars and tax cuts at the same time thereby decreasing the value of our dollar, and our now running as deficit hawks again.
Cutting deficits by borrowing money is an oxymoron.
Chris your mental dissonance is really scary dude. Seriously... Roll a joint.
The Dude @ 54:
Why, because they gave you an example in a book?? Or because all your liberal friends said so at the college dem's meeting?
chris @ 45:
HAHAHAHA! Well Clinton may not of inhaled but we know who did!!
How many trillions of our tax dollars and a recession did WTC 1 , Somalia, Cole, etc...cost America? Besides, I don't believe those were wars against a nation, one more time for the slow witted mouth breathers out there, THAT DID NOT ATTACK US. And how many no bid government contracts did Clinton's vice president's fromer company get out of a war he lied America into for somebody else's kids to fight?
Your senile old coot of a tax cut and deficit spender Reagan handed Clinton a legacy of budget deficits. Clinton cleaned up Reagan's mess just like the next Democrat is going to have to do with Bush's mess.
Ask yourself this, why do our allies consider Bush part of the new axis of evil? Most viewing Bush as a greater threat to world peace and stability than Iran and North Korea? No wait I know, who cares what our allies think? the 28% lunatic fringe that still supports Bush is right, the majority of America and the rest of the world is wrong.
I wish Bush got a blow job and lied about it instead of starting 2 wars he's failing miserable at that we have to pay for, putting us into a recession and leaving us under China's thumb economically. Bush and GOP have done something Al-Queda and our enemies could never have done. They have run America into the ground and you are as much to blame for supporting them and still supporting them.
BushCo are war criminals. They should be at The Hague.
ysbaddaden, here is some suggested reading matter on the topic. Kristol is full of shit.
Iraq is good for people like Kristol, i.e. people who dont have to fight and die there, but can make ungodly amounts of money from it.
Only in the neocon, isreal first fantasy world of Kristol. Frankly his opinions are extremely offensive. Obama will have the main challenge of cleaning up after the neocons, then fixing this economy. Period.
When the war's going "good," it's good for the Republicans. When the war's going bad it's also "good" for Republicans . Typical of your logic you chicken hawk, coward, bastard!!!
Bush: "Saddam gassed his own people"
Well, Bush has killed over 4,000 of our own people and gotten more Iraqis killed than Saddam.
Bush will not be out done by any despotic war criminal!
chris @ 65:
Pffffttttt. I am not even registered Democrat. Is that the best reply you can concoct? LOL.
Some of us are the ones that come up with the answers in the books. I guess you never wondered that books at some point have to be written, eh?
Hey hey hey everybody - we still have to "do" Iran and Syria!
Kristol states:
"We have virtually wiped out al Qaeda in Iraq which al Qaeda said over and over was the central front of their battle against the US. "
WTF?
Bil Kristol has said over and over that AQI is the central front in something, but when has al Qaeda itself (not AQI) ever said that?
It's a subtle shift of the meme; watch for it in a news story near you soon!
americangoy @ 73:
So I guess now the US is like the prototypical frat guy, who can't manage to come close to please one woman... yet his mission in life is to have a menage-a-trois.
67 freddy Says:
ysbaddaden, here is some suggested reading matter on the topic. Kristol is full of shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XW3AiUk9yQ&feature=related
(I'm saving your link).
66 chris
Did you ever tell us what branch of the service you were in, when, and where assigned?
Allies think Bush is one of the greatest threats to world peace. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/11/03/america/NA_GEN_World_Views_of_...
Don't tell this to Chris. He thinks he and his fellow 28 percenters are right and the rest of America and America's allies are all wrong!
ysbaddaden @ 78:
Are we back in this, I don't have to prove myself to some twerp on the internet....
Sunday after Sunday the same parade of opinion from the same opinion makers and shapers on pages of the big marquee Sunday papers and over the air and cable of big American television.
Is it really so difficult to search/find out and present new,different p-o-v's from others in USA?
Must is always be the same faces,the same p-o-v's,the same endpoints of discussion provided by the same people?
All these Sunday political TeeVee media 'shows' repeatedly recycle the same people,the same takes,the same start points and topic framing and end points.
One is left to conclude that the 'hosts' of these mediocrity infested Sunday news shows and the stagnant,stale guest-lists they trawl over and over will be fully surprised and shocked when the revolution/overthrow finally does hit WashingtonDC.
So clueless. So self-absorbed. So corrupted by self-awarded importance and celebrity.
So useless.
Ruthless People @ 72:
And it was pappa boosh that turned his back on the Kurds then, and later promised the US would back the Iraqis who rose up against Saddam, and when they did so, he stranded them, leading them to be slaughtered in his own Bay of Pigs.
David @ 74:
Yes, because if guerrilla warfare is knows is for strict definitions of "fronts" and well defined "engagements."
Also, since there was exactly 0 Al-Qaeda in Iraq prior to the US invasion. The fact that our forces may have literally "whipped out" its effectivity is seen as a "success." Yet the question still lingers about the fact that our forces/intervention is also responsible for the establishment of Al-Qaeda in Iraq to begin with. Its like a pyromaniac who request a medal for helping putting out the fire he started....
Pundits do say the darnest things sometimes.
The mind just boggles with the likes of Kristol et al sometimes...
chris @ 80:
You have nothing to prove. We know you're a chickenhawk.
chris @ 80:
In other words, the 101st keyboardist chicken hawk division, 3rd fantasy battalion.
chris @ 80:
That's a twerp who was assigned to a classified base with a Top Secret clearance, occassionally having to encode and decode messages concerning the Abrams M1 tank now being used in Iraq, among others.
I also had to attend at least a couple of classified meetings on the subject of the ME, and after leaving the service with an honorable discharge, had to be sworn to secrecy for the next 10 years, and everytime I moved during that period , I had to let the Air Force know where I was
Eventually I earned an associate in business, a bachelor in political science, and another associate in paralegal studies.
I graduated on the Deans List, Phi Theta Kappa and Golden Key Honor Societies, and Cum Laude.
But my sex life is another story.
ysbaddaden @ 82:
And back in America it was Neil Bush who cost the American taxpayer trillions of dollars in the Silverado Savings and Loan bailout in the 80's. And war profiteer Prescott Bush who was in bed with the Nazi's against America. The Bush Crime Family's shamless ability to bring down and undermine America for their own self-serving profit and greed know no bounds.
The Dude @ 85:
Commander Momma downstairs in the kitchen baking cookies.
ysbaddaden @ 86:
University of Phoenix? SNAP!
Oh you needn't tell me about the couple of punctuation errors, I saw them after I put up the message. I think I permanently damaged my eyes reading the 3 volume facsimile of the 1847 Varney the Vampire: or The Feast of Blood, and my facsimile of Albertus Magnus's Boke of Secrets (they spelled book that way.)
89 chris
University of Texas, Dallas, known for it's engineering schools...
And what, when and where did you go to University?
87 Ruthless People
I remember Silverado S&L. That was a part of the system wide break-down of the Savings and Loan industry during pappa boosh's years, but due to ray gun's "reform" of the industry.
But the reichwing tried to spin the whole story as being about Whitewater.
ysbaddaden @ 91:
I served at Camp Penitentiary California, I was walking around with a pack while you were in AC playing video games, now I study in the Pac Northwest...
ysbaddaden @ 92:
Whenever a Republican "reforms" that means somebody is going to get rich and somebody is going to have to pay. That first somebody being Republican cronies, the second somebody being the American taxpayer.
I was actually in the Mojave desert, Edwards AFB, and although we had air-conditioning, the temperatures outside were around the 110-120 degree mark, so it was physically impossible to cool our buildings down much.
ysbaddaden @ 95:
Those were the days........
Although this is getting further and further afield of the thread topic of wee willy krystol(nacht), I remember this one sandstorm we had. It lasted for three days and nights. Everytime you walked outside, even in your heaviest khakis, it felt like a thousand needles hittinig you at once. For a week afterwards everytime I ate, it seemed like there was grit in my teeth, but that probably helped the flavor of the mystery meat du jour.
The guys with the custom painted vans were pissed, because it looked like a giant eraser just took everything off their vans.
ysbaddaden @ 95:
I was up on the roof top selling selling pumpkin seeds and tampons, unlike the rest of these project bunnies Ms. Benita going to have something!
Ruthless People @ 88:
Hopefully with chocolate Ex-Lax chips.
ysbaddaden @ 99:
No please! There's enough shit coming out of their keyboards!
Ruthless People @ 98:
..h/t In Living Color...I miss that show.
Remember Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf -- "Baghdad Bob"? Kristol is Bush's version of that. The news supports his position, no matter what.
The only time I had to wear a pack in the Air Force, it was stuffed with a block of styrofoam, while I worked three days as an extra in the movie Private Benjamin. I had no idea how to put the damn thing on. I had to ask a Marine sergeant for help. Then I had to cuff my pants with these elastic straps, which we also never used in the Air Force, but we were all wearing Army uniforms.
I got to briefly meet Goldie Hahn and Hal Williams who played her drill-sargeant. Goldie sat for pictures with a couple of my Air-Force buddies, and was caught laughing her ass off, as our resident stoner suddenly pulled her pony-tale into his mouth right before the camera clicked.
I asked Hal Williams at one point if he ever served in the military, because he actually reminded me of some of our sargeants in basic. He sort of glared at me, and I only realized later he was playing that sargeant part.
The most embarrassing bit was we were being filmed as a group supposedly now trained at the end of basic marching over a small hill covered with loose sand. Hal Williams was seated with the camera man. Because I was unused to wearing combat boots, backpack and M-16 all at the same time, as light as they were, I lost my balance and skidded down the hill while everyone was laughing. Then when they reshot the scene I was humiliated feeling like I was costing them money, but they would probably stop shooting well before I got to the point where I tripped. Instead, I was about to step over the hill again when they yelled cut. So they had an entire sequence, but in reverse order.
The marines were bugging me that I did it on purpose. I showed them more torn up palms where I tried to brace myself on the way down, and said, "Does that look like I did it on purpose?"
I only then found out that about the time I initially tripped, Hal Williams tapped the cameraman on the shoulder so they filmed the entire thing.
It all ended up on the cutting room floor, because at that part of the movie we were supposed to be sharp trained troops. But maybe they projected it at their wrap-party for giggles.
shootthatarrow @ 81:
Would be nice to see Scott Ritter scream some sense into these fools
101 Ruthless People
I thought I recognized that name, but what I primarily remember was one actress talkiing about how great and sweet someone was, and then shredding them.
My favorites all seemed to involve Damon Wayans: Homey the Clown, Twan and Blaine, the jailhouse intellectual, Handi-man.
How could I forget the Jamaican family? If you held less than 6 jobs you were a lazy bum, even if you were a lawyer or a doctor.
Bill Kristol, Senator Grahmam, Senator Lieberman and Senator McCain all shouting "bomb Bomb Bomb"Iran.
Call, write, lobby, get in the streets (again) before these psychopaths kill more innnocent people so you can fill your gas tanks cheaply and Israel has their way in the middle east.
I'm about to be timed out at the library, so ta y'all.
Ruthless People @ 72:
Well Persian cooking always made me flatulent.
Bill Kristol's "opinions" can all be summed up in two words: wishful thinking.
Another Sunday, same old spin. Kristol spews out the same old spin, Williams tries to inject some sanity to the debate as Hume dismisses him in his usual surly manner. Meanwhile, Wallace fails to recognize that Kristol is has never been right in any of his predictions.
Same shit, different week.
23 chris Says: Americans still want to win the war on terror so this could be a plus for him now that we are winning…
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No. Americans want you to seek the help you so desperately need.
28 Joe O. Says: chris @ 23:
Americans still want to win the war on terror so this could be a plus for him now that we are winning…
I’d love to see how one wins a war on a verb. Because that is exactly what “terrorism” is. Its a violent action or a method carried about by a person, group or nation.
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By employing a lot of gerunds.
Has anyone seen any evidence of Iran's involvement in the attacks on American troops in Iraq? I mean, anywhere else but in the minds of Crrocker and Petraeus? After all, isn't that the only proof so far their say so?
They point to more accurate attacks on the Green Zone as an indicator, but if you had 5+ years to sharpen their aim couldn't almost any group start zeroing in? How about the more modern rockets? Remember the last time they trotted out a table covered with munitions said to be coming in from Iran? It was a display of ordinance made by Farsi speaking people for Arabic speaking people although they were marked in English. Huh?
WTF is Kristol talking about with Maliki turning on the Iranian backed militias? Wasn't it Maliki who was just swapping spit on the cheek with Ahmadinejad? Please enlighten us on what the gain would be for Iran to foster violence? They are aligned with 60% of the Iraqi population and thus going to have great influence once we leave. Supposedly if the violence subsides we'll leave. It is not in their interest to foment attacks on us as witnessed by their brokering a cease fire between Maliki and al Sadr.
We are also to believe that Cheney went over there just before the Basra dust up and we had no idea it was going to take place? Who bought that crock? Now we know why the US ambassador is named Crock-er, with Pet-ray-us in tow.
What happened to the critical thinkers in America? If I can figure this crap out why couldn't a single member of Congress when questioning the flog and cronie show when they hit Capitol Hill?
41 chris Says: Ruthless People @ 38:
chris @ 35:
Joe O. @ 28:
chris @ 23:
Like so many academics Chomsky spent his life in a university, which the land of theory, these other people have real world experience and see things for how they really are and not in the library at MIT…..
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Bush spent his life at the end of a Jack Daniels bottle, with a mountain of coke in front of him. He spent his time wasting daddy's money. Now he's commander-in-chief.
Kristol is a nut, but we had good reason to go after the Taliban. Something to do with harboring bin Laden and the 9/11 terrorists as I recall.
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It doesn't matter, any way you look at it. They want to attack Iran, so they're softening up the public. In other words, enraging them, to demand the US drop bombs on Iran. Then it is the "will of the people"-- presto!!
Let's just drop Bill Kristol, Irving Kristol, Michael Ledeen, Mark "Pool Boy" Levin, Lucianne Goldberg's Little Boy, John P. Normanson, Mark Steyn, Victor Davis Hanson , Roger Ailes, Max Boot, Freddy Kagan, Donny Kagan, Bobby Kagan, David Addington, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Elliot Abrams, Tony Snow, and Mona Charen on Iraq and Iran and let them clean up the place.
Edwin Hussein @ 115:
....wasting the taxpayer's money.
ysbaddaden @ 105:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hpdJ-VjtROo
tballou @ 116:
How'd that work out?
I have little doubt that the chattering pundits will obedently join in this howling for Iranian blood. Are the voters that stupid? You tell me, after the last 2 elections I really don't know.
chris @ 41:
Chris pretending he understands the mind of Chomsky! Hahahahhahaha..I just crapped myself from laughing.
Interesting where we've come to. I actually listened to this broadcast (how many of you did?) - and I thought all points of view were well represented and articulated. Every point of view (including the Democrats point of view) was given equal time - and that's the way it should be (check CNN, and tell me which channel is doing the better job of presenting both sides).
From reading the comments here on this blog, you'd think that people want a one-party system (as long as it is the Democrat party). As long as we're for Hamas, or the Iranian president, and against the evil designs of the USA, and as long as we agree that these people, who want to exterminate 6 million Jews, may just have a point we can debate, we are politically correct thinkers, open minded thinkers, right?
Are you kiddin me? Think again where fascism is these days. Take a good hard look at your mirror. Are you absolutely sure you can't see it? Do you think it's OK to condone the points of view of those who see nothing wrong with wiping another 6 million Jews off the face of our common planet? FOR WHATHEVER REASON?
And what about your very own concept of democracy - calling American voters idiots, more or less, for voting (gulp) Republican? (Not sure all posters in here are Americans BTW). Can you even think for a minute that lots of Republicans - including California Republicans, as I am, are actually in favor of a woman's right to choose? Because we're the party of individual freedom? (Heck, lots of us are Libertarians at heart). And think that bringing our party back to the center is a good thing? And think that less government is better for individual freedom than more government? And that it is not the business of a president to educate the people, but rather represent them?
Obama, who just made ordinary people in Pennsylvania feel like shit with his recent comments about them, sure has a different concept of democracy than the Republicans I know have. Where is the arrogance? Take a good look at that mirror.
Liberty @ 124:
Nice strawman, dimwit.
Bill Kristol's high on the list of "people I hope I never meet" because I probably would not be able to stop from punching him right in the face, if only to break up that smug expression he always wears. How a guy who has been wrong about EVERYTHING on Iraq and I mean EVERYTHING can still be so sure and righteous...well, it boggles the mind. The ego that man carries around would dwarf Jupiter.
Liberty @ 124:
The above post is clearly some sort of emotional ejaculation. Not wanting to start a war with someone does not equal condoning their beliefs and behaviors.
Just once, I'd like to see someone - anyone - come right out and say that Kristol is full of shit.
seth @ 125:
Dimwit? Is that your argument? Aw come on, you can do better than this? How about "dumb fuck"? or something even better? I am disappointed.
Frankly I prefer your ejaculation argument (go down two posts), at least ejaculation sounds more like fun in any context - surely you'd agree, since YOU (genius) brought it up?
Nicole Belle @ 121:
Might have worked out better if Bush hadn't given up.
Tom (Not Tom) @ 128:
Okay.
Kristol is full of shit.
Liberty @ 124:
As an ordinary person from Pennsylvania (which you admit that you are not), let me just say that Obama didn't make use "feel like shit". In fact, he was 100% correct. We are bitter and disillusioned about Washington. We are sick of politics as usual. We are pissed off and sick of candidates who don't care about the real economic issues that we face.
Den @ 132:
Den @ 132:
Being sick of politics as usual and wanting something different and (hopefully) better is an ideal I can understand. Thanks for your comment.
Bill Kristol is wrong about everything all the time. Another one who got where he is because of his daddy.
slap me silly!!! did juan just sound like he had a trace of testosterone?
Nicole Belle @ 121:
Belle: better question from you would be: how do we win that war of civilizations (against islamic extremists) together? Like, proactively do something to help? How do we promote progress and evolution against the forces coming back at us from the Middle Ages? From Sharia law? From Islamic Terrorists? From intolerance?
Thanks for your blog anyways - ti's democracy at work, and you at least bothered to take the time to do it ;)
How can anyone listen to these fools? Is our collective memory so short that we forget that Bush et al. have LIED ABOUT VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING! Included the reasons behind the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
Now they are beating the drums to bomb Iran, yet they have provided zero proof that Iran is supplying and training insurgents. What good does it do for Iran to destabilize Iraq? It would seem that with a majority Shia population and a Shia government in Iraq, that the cards are stacked in Irans favor. Why would they incite/invite an attack by the U.S. when they know full well that they have no hope of defeating us militarily?
In fact it is the U.S. that is trying to provoke an incident with Iran in order to justify bombing and/or invasion. This is in fact the official policy of our government, as laid out by the Defense Science Board when they created the Proactive Preemptive Operations Group(P2OG or PPOG). In case anyone thinks I am making this up or am some crazy conspiracy theorist, here is a quote from that document:
"Develop an entirely new capability to proactively, preemptively evoke responses from adversary/terrorist groups."
The administration repeatedly claims Iran is attempting to acquire nuclear weapons, and indeed Iran has admitted to enriching uranium. But I have never read nor seen in any MSM report an explanation of the difference between uranium used for power plants(low enriched uranium or LEU) and weapons grade uranium(Highly Enriched Uranium). There is simply no evidence that Iran is highly enriching uranium.
Seriously , why is this piece of shit ever printed , quoted or on the air ? His latest op ed piece , in the New York times no less : " Obama , the mask slips away " , on this non story about Obama saying that the working class are becoming bitter and disenchanted ( and yes we are ) . I read the article and couldn't believe what I read , twisted words and completely twisted logic and lies , I looked to see who wrote it and gee whiz , surprise, surprise ! was the douche bag of douche bags , Kristol .Used to be that integrity and credibility mattered in the media , but now ? WTF is going on in this country ? It's madness !
Tom (Not Tom) @ 128:
I assume you are talking about someone in the MSM? The progressive blogosphere is full of individuals who express that opinion all of the time (actually on a continuous basis). He is one of the few people I can honestly say, I despise.
Liberty @ 137:
How do we win? Maybe work to end our unsustainable lifestyle based on consuming oil like there's no tomorrow
so we don't have to keep occupying their lands, propping up despotic regimes and generally stirring up unrest among the population who hate us and don't want us there. How's that?
This fool broke rank with credibility years ago! just another stupid lying republican!
Kristol is a NAZI.
Bill Kristoll must be making a fortune on this war! There is no other reason that any sane person would be so consistntly wrong. If there was justice, he and all the neo-cons would be dumped in Baghdad in there boxer shorts. That would let them enjoy the fruits of their labor.
War is a Racket by Smedley Butler should be required reading for all Americans because fascism has not been working for Amerika.
Bill Kristol is Ann Coulter with tits.
Idiotland @ 141:
I may be wrong, but I believe China is already consuming more oil than we do? And in order to maintain (and hopefully improve) our standard of living, I agree we should definitely move away from oil as a source of energy - solar, fuel cell and nuclear fusion are going to be much more efficient, cheaper and cleaner. Our top 5 current suppliers of oil (Jan. 08): Canada (1944 thousand barrels a day); Saudi Arabia, 1479; Mexico, 1198; Nigeria, 1163; Venezuela, 1135 - the rest is fractional. Hardly countries we occupy.
The question which is put to people, who disagree with the war is - 'Do you want America to win the War?
The answer should be straightforward and clearly - 'NO', simply since you've already lost because you are at war. You have lost your high moral stance because talking through diplomatic means wasn't done, especially in this manufactured war in Iraq.
Also, there is this belief that - America will win. What does winning mean, anyway? There is so distorted train of thought that this is all one big video game and when America wins - the prize - will be all the dead Soldiers (4000+) and Iraqi civils (1/2 to 1 million) come back to life. And all of the injured Solidiers (25,000 to 100,000) will be magically healed.
Most importantly, America can and will never win a war built on a lie or faulty military intelligence - as is the official response. I have not problem with mistakes, but as soon as this one was realized - the war should of ended and the troops brought home.
Oh my. More cerebral vomit eminates from Billy Kristol. Shocker!
Why are the same talking heads on every Sunday making the same totally predictable points time after time? I realize these people have contracts, but the networks need to mix it up a little. I mean, do we really need to have Kristol making his weekly apologia for the Bush Administration? Isn't that pretty much a given? Kristol is one of the neocon journalists who did the most to make this Iraq invasion sound like a cakewalk. What else would we expect but more of the same from him?
By the same token must I hear James Carville make the same point time after time on Meet the Press, or look at Matlin's sour Republican face? I could write their comments for them, I've heard them so often. A new point of view, a new face at the table would be nice....and refreshing.
Jay McMahon @ 147:
Yes, yes, and yes.
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