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On Sunday's McLaughlin Group, Pat Buchanan laid odds on the Bush Administration attacking Iran before the election. October surprise, anyone?
Buchanan: The president is right in a sense, and so is Petraeus. We were on the brink of defeat in 2006 and disaster, and we were looking into the abyss…
Clift: We still are.
Buchanan: That’s no longer true. We have held off defeat. But Petraeus is right, we don’t see the light at the end of the tunnel. But I’ll tell you what’s coming, John: Petraeus pointed right at the special groups, supported by Iran as the main problem now, said they’re firing rockets into the Green Zone. They’re responsible for Basra. The president said Iran better not make the wrong choice. We are looking at 140,000 troops here at the end of the year and very possibly, air strikes on Iran before this fall.
Buchanan isn't channeling Miss Cleo on this one, the Petraeus testimony before Congress mentioned Iran in nearly every other sentence. The rhetoric ramping up against Iran is almost identical to the rhetoric we heard about the threat that Saddam posed six years ago. And the threat that Iran poses is similar to Iraq's, which is to say not much. And certainly not at the level that the Saudis have supported the insurgents. And yet everyone in the media repeats the Big Lie that Iran is our biggest threat in Iraq.
Pat knows that if he says this, more stations will have Pat on and pay Pat. Pat is nuts. Fuck Pat.
And certainly not at the level that the Saudis have supported the insurgents.
and WHY is THAT never mentioned... huh...
When neocon scum suckers talk about "defeat" they're talking about the state of their stock portfolios.
I don't know. I've been hearing that we're going to attack Iran for so long. I think that just talking about it and not doing it is achieving what they want to achieve. I hope so anyway for the sake of the people in Iran.
These knobs just can't admit they were wrong in their approach. It's always move forward and somehow our mistake we won't admit to will magically be right if we just put our hand deeper into the cookie jar. Life is like a box of stupid chocolates.
What's the chance of Pat Buchanan not making it to October (because the Lord will smite him)? Just curious.
We're making good progress.
C'mon George I'm waiting for that speach for the 100th time again
What a dumb ass.
Wow ...
to be fair five years IS a long time to remember being lied into a war ...
Welcome to the United States of Amnesia
I think its a close to 100% chance. Bush has been wanting to attack Iran so bad for so long so I doubt he will waste his chance. Since plan A, Iranian nuclear weapons didnt work out Bush will go with plan B. As excuse they will use Irans alleged destabilizing of Iraq and they will target Iranian Revolutionary Guard, added last year to the list of terroristorganisations for precisely this purpose.
Question is what f** good it will do. It will certainly not stabilize the region or reduce Iranian influence.
Of course Pat is another REPUG WHACKJOB...but does anyone seriously doubt that the BUSH BIG BALLS would NOT strike Iran if it means a chance for war sumpathizer McCain would be shoved into the WH??????
If we just keep moving forward we will make it out on the other side of the rainbow, and the lil pot of gold will be there. My aren't the neo-con clouds particularly fluffy today.
Take a good look at the terrain of Iran on satellite.
If boots ever end up on the ground there ... god help 'em.
More ominous signs: the Administration is digging up the Shah!
I seriously doubt that China will finance the destruction of their own oil supply.
If they attack Iran, they will deny that they ever suggested it a few years later.
Pat Buchanan also said, "John McCain will make Cheney look like Ghandi."
And he said, regarding McCain's policy shifts on religion, torture and taxes, "There should be a sign on the 'Straight Talk Express" that reads "This bus makes U-Turns."
Well, if Cheney/Bush decide to invade Iran that will solve the problem of when to bring out troops home from Iraq. Because, I've read several items by former generals stating that if we attack Iran, our troops in Iraq will be cut off from all supply lines and will be sitting ducks for both Iranian and Iraqi troops, insurgents, whatever - so there won't be too many US troops left to bring home.
Okay, so we know its coming. The question is what can be done about it? The answer-----absolutely nothing!
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Seem familiar?
I guess there is at least one more corner of hell we haven't explored in the past seven plus years. Jesus, I can't believe we have to worry about this. To any sane person this would seem insane. Sorry! Do I sound "bitter"?
Ummm, how about the fact that if Iran is attacked in the fall, the incoming President will have a 3 front war on his hands with a huge deficit, a broken military and a bunch of pissed off citizens. Besided, didn't multi-front wars pretty much end the military domination of such juggernauts as Napoleon and Stalin?
What's that saying about forgetting the past?
Waterballoons?
The neoconartists continue to think and act as if we're still a superpower.
I watch this show quite often when I can put up with the shouting and talking over each other. To me Pat Buchanan has presented very reasonable commentary on this show. He is no way one of the neocons. I really don't know what he says elsewhere but on this show he is the best.
I think the neocons and Bushies are out to do Israel's bidding even if it is not in our best interest.
Buchanan has gotten alot of bad press because of his very balanced views on what has been going on in the middle east especially as it relates to Israel/Palestine conflict.
Hey! The Saudis aren't just "supporting" the insurgents. They are the insurgents. Check out A Second Look at the Saudis for all the gory details.
These are the facts we should be confronting the Bush administration buffoons on. Their policy toward the Saudis has been nothing short of treasonous.
Bush and his Ilk are no just Criminals But War Criminals and need to be removed from office NOW !!
Are you listening Pelosi, Reed, Feinstein and the rest of you Idiots
If not you are as Guilty of War Crimes as they are.
It's Long past Time To React
Ah Miss Cleo, how I miss your fraudulent patois-frosted larceny.
Just wanted to chime in re: Pat Buchanan
For those who don't know, he certainly is NOT a neocon when it comes to war in the Mideast. He's certainly said lots of stupid or terrible things over the years, but he was also one of the earliest and most vocal critics of the war in Iraq (he was actually all over it before it was fashionable or politically safe to do so). Did not view the clip here at work, but I have a feeling that he was simply saying he expected the administration to attack, not that he's advocating it.
again, though, I did not see this particular clip...
Well one thing is certain - IF they do bomb Iran you can forget about the US economy recovering. You can also expect to see large parts of America starting to look like Iraq. Oh wait after 7 years of this neo-con bushshit they already do.
If ever a Country should feel threatened it would be Iran. Is the US the only one who has the right to strike pre-emptively if threatened? We should be very careful with this war drum rhetoric. What the Hell has happened to this Country that we crave War and Death and profit from it for the Military Industrial Invesors.
... D.R.A.F.T. ...
The U.S. hasn't fought a war properly or for the right reason since WWII.
Grenada, Panama, Viet Nam, Iraq, need any more to remind you?
Don't y'all worry. This will all be water under the bridge when it brings about the Rapture.
If I recall correctly, Pat was against the war before it began. Giving 50-50 odds is a pretty safe bet.
As I have said before, they can't just fly a few planes over Iraq, drop bombs and look at it in their rear view mirror on the way back home. We have worn out soldiers and equipment just across the border from Iran. The Iranian soldiers will spill over the border into Iraq and our guys will be in deep trouble. Plus how many Iraqis would join with the Iranians in attacking US soldiers? This would be hell on all fronts.
Of course to bush this sort of battle might look "romantic" but to anyone else, it would look horrible and deadly.
Knowing the warmongering neo-con fascist Bush Administration like we do, I'd say the odds are 99%. How do we stop this evil monster?
pissed off patricia @ 32:
Damn, I'm getting as bad as McCain, writing Iraq when I mean Iran
flex @ 33:
Harry Reid will wag his finger and Pelosi will write a "stern" letter.
Lawrence Dugan @ 23:
I discovered, to my great shock, that starting about four years ago I was agreeing with Pat Buchanan about a lot of foreign policy issues. He is one of the few people out there who is willing to tell it like it is about the neocons.
WHAT'S IT GOING TO TAKE FOR these self-righteous all knowing right wing intellects to know that what they are doing is wrong, wrong wrong. they would go and bomb and kill and maim people who are innocent of the wrongdoings of which they are accused. now that we have crossed the line of a pre-emptive strike, there is no stopping now. pick a country and if there is any thought of threat OR anticipation that by their elimination they will help our standing economically then let us obliterate them. after it is over, we can then fight about how we need to occupy and clean up the mess and PICK UP THE SPOILS. We are a greedy and self-serving nation, and unless we act against the atrocities, we become part of the administration's marching orders. I think it' time to act in congregate. personally if feel it's disgusting to be grouped with bush and his administration as they rape the rest of the world, but unless i act in such a way that is satisfactory to me, then i am part of this heinous admin. And writing on blogs is absolutely not enough.
Sam@27:
You're right about Buchanan. He is hated by the neocons and has consistently criticized the Iraq war as an unwise, wasteful, imperialist venture.
For all our sakes, I hope he is misinformed and/or out of the loop on Iran.
The only thing such an action would accomplish would be to send oil to $200 a barrel. And send the US dollar through the floor, and destroy what remains of consumer confidence, and push the faltering US economy off a cliff, and make the crisis in the financial system far worse than it is now.
Just why is it when a BUSH is either running the CIA, is a VP or is a President
does this October thing keep coming up:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise
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VegasRage @ 7:
Stop calling the chicken hawks dumb asses!!!!!!!!!!! wtf!!!!!
They are Halliburton and GE's personal representatives in Washington and they are doing a bang up job taking our money!!
You seem to think that their agenda is our agenda...insanity!!! A police state fueled by unending war...someone wrote about that once
Listen!
We should have the balls to do what the Patriot, Ron Paul, said, "we should just come home". Get the hell out of the rest of the worlds affairs.
I am so tired of these Republican sons of privilege (Buchanan, O'Reilly, Hannity, Gibson, Tucker C, Karl Rove, Dick Morris, Jonah Goldberg) who show up on talk shows and tell us all about the military. These guys know nothing about the military except for the talking points they get from the RNC.
In their younger days, they ate too much creme brulee and not enough MREs.
Buchanan, and all neocons who strive to infuse their lives with meaning by advocating wars that other people's children will have to fight and die in, should be required to spend 6 months with an active combat unit.
Media Fuels Endless War!!!
41 adorian
When I was in the Service we still called MRE's C-Rations.
But if you lost your appetite part way through I wondered if they called what I could get down a C-Section?
McCain has been, purposely IMO, to conflate Iran and Al Qaeda and this why. Bush may or may not attack Iran but I see that probability going up if McCain is getting his ass kicked in fall.
I have no problem at all believing that the Republican administration would attack Iran as a ploy to keep one in the WH.
bush is our biggest threat in Iraq.
robert mitchell @ 40:
Ron Paul specifically asked about the legality of attacking Iran at the Petraeus hearing. Both Petraeus and Crocker declined to comment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWr5Wl-mev0
If Bush bombs Iran with McCain's "bomb, bomb Iran" support, the GOP hasn't got a chance in hell of winning the presidency. McCain is toast, and Pelosi will reverse course and call for Bush's immediate impeachment, which the vast majority of Americans will support. And with Iran's Shites having so much influence over al-Maliki's Shite Iraqi government and al-Sadr's Shite Mahdi militia army, what is going to happen to our troops in Iraq when Bush boms Iran? Bush can't send troops we don't have to Iran, but Iran can send hundreds of thousands of trained Army troops into Iraq to oust American troops in response to American attacks on their country. Bombing Iran would be political and military suicide because ultimately the only response Bush has to Irany troops going after American troops in Iraq is a nuclear one. If Bush starts the ball rolling by bombing Iran, it will inevitably lead to the nuclear destruction of the Middle East and an all out Jihadist war against the United States and Israel. And Bush is insane enough to destroy us all.
The neo-crazies always said they'd finish up by causing regime change in Iran.
If they do this they're FUCKING INSANE.
sorry for the language.
The way the economy is going with endless war will they have to air-lift & drop down to us MRE's?
Give us this day, our daily MRE...
You know if you look at it from the republican/neo-con perspective it makes sense. I mean once you set your course on treason and war crimes it's dangerous to stop. Some one might notice.
marko @ 43:
I've recommended that everyone watch the whole thing. You can google it.
The sad part is that aware or not, the media have been using Michael Ware to push the point of Iran's involvement in Iraq and it seems to be working. I can't see a segment without Ware blaming Iran in some manner, shape or form for the chaos and unrest in Iraq (somehow it stopped becoming about Iraq actually being OCCUPIED with 140,000 foreign soldiers). I don't know if he's become part of the plan or if he's just naive about what those "leading" questions are all about. Either way, the machine is ramping up.
andy @ 49:
What would Barney, Opie and Aunt Bea say?
bill q @ 46:
Bush is the biggest threat in (to) the WORLD.
Pat Buchanan may be a lot of things, but a neocon is not one of them.
Fall air strike on Iran = Democratics win White House and lots of Congressional seats. Iran will retalliate, not just militarily against the American occupiers of Iraq, but by periodic suspension of oil exports, and $6.00/gallon gas will end the debate whether we're in a recession. It will be "How long will the Depression last?"
Terrible @ 51:
They HAVE to keep on killing to keep us from investigating too closely, but it no longer works.
Americans have finally figured out how much corruption, lies and crooked money deals have been associated with this group.
Except for the 23%er group, "The Moron Factor"
robert mitchell @ 40:
I guess it was the Iraqis who made us bomb the shit out of them, right?
We are the victims here...
Libertarians say the darnest things!
This "crisis" has been planned for a long time. They are trying to hand over control of the entire economic system to the Federal Reserve Bank.
The same with the starvation crisis across the world.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/old-plan-for-a-new-disaster/
"Old Plan for a New Disaster" : How NeoCon Robert Zoellick's "Shock Doctrine" is Making Progress Worldwide.
O.T.
I was watching McCain at the associated press meeting and they were talking about a shield law. I had the tv on mute so I missed parts of the conversation. It sounds like they may want a separate law to protect the telecoms. Can C&L follow up on this?
The Dude @ 59:
Are you saying the Iraqi's MADE us come into their country? ... please clarify.
Oil will be $200 a barrel if we attacked Iran. That would not be good for McCain or the GOP in the Fall. This is a war exhausted nation, so starting another war wouldn't be good for politics.
44 ysbaddaden
You know except for the spaghetti I didn't mind the c-rats to bad. Had a big chunck of gristle in a can of that once. No doubt some republican business owner made a few extra cents on that can. And some kind of meat slices that was pretty gross too. Other then that I didn't mind them much. Of course I was in a unit that only went to the field for a week at a time twice a year. Kinda strange for a combat line unit but hey it was the 80s and we were 'special'.
Terrible @ 63:
What about Pemican, used to look like a tin of dead flies.
Del Capslock @ 42:
Pat is not a neocon. He represents Bush 41 and that crowd. He always has been against the Iraq War. He's just a old-school, flag waving, Conservative so since we're there he wants some type of moral military victory. I think we already lost, but I know his side wants to see some type of W....and I'm not talking about baby Bush.
Mister Anderson @ 62:
I've often thought that they don't want to win. Look at the candidates they've ran. They really want to pass this mess on to the Democrats.
Bombing Iran is insane for all the reasons listed. However,there are two flies in the C-reations here- Everyone here is assuming the will be an actual election come November. And,if there is one that it won't be stolen again. Just sayin'.
I don't agree with Pat on everything but I do agree with him on somethings. He isn't the Bush 41 crowd..Bush 41 is evil Pat is just pat although compared to his idiot kid (Dubya) Bush 41 seems like an angel.
WTF does Pat Buchanan know?! Nothin'!!! because he only knows what (pr)Ick Cheney tells him to say.
64 ♣Bangkok Bob♠
I don't remember getting any Pemican in the c-rats. That wasn't in the old k-rats was it? Not trying to suggest you're old!!
there is no protest music because there is no draft
i saw a video of david crosby and graham nash (can't find it still looking) saying that the campuses would burst into flames if the kids were threatened with a tour in Fallujah!!
Ha ha!!
Terrible @ 70:
I think it was pelican.
Mmmmm, tepid tea.
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 61:
No, I was simply not buying the bullshit that Dr. Paul and his merry libertarians are peddling.
This is not about 4000 Americans dying in combat and our mounting debt, we are not the victims here.
Until there is anyone in the political apparatus of this country that tells it like it is; the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who are now dead and the millions of their compatriots who are living as refugees, due to our illegal invasion of their country, are the real victims.
Until that happens, Ron Paul and even Obama, will be nothing sort of disingenuous.
This is not just about pulling out. Sorry, when you get to kill so many innocent and commit war crimes at such scale, saying "oopsie, our bad... good bye" is no longer an option. There needs to be a public apology, a plan to truly rebuild the country we destroyed (which does not involve lining the pockets of American contractors), and a depuration of responsibilities at every level. With the imprisonment and in some cases executions if needed of those who lied, manipulated, and concocted an illegal war of aggression in our name.
We MUST get these military warmongers OUT of public office!
brando @ 53:
i worried about that happening the first time i saw him say these things on maher a few weekds ago... as in, "uh oh..." and "who got to him?"
it'd been quite a while since i'd heard anything from or about michael ware, and then he shows up carrying the drum... ugh...
maybe boosh will send buchanan over to the UN with some fingerpaintings of the Iran-to-Iraq trade routes where the camels stealthily deliver american-made IEDs and ordinance to Al CIA-duh in Iraq via Syria and Jordan.
*rinse*
*repeat*
* not embedded in subconscious?* then
*rinse*
*repeat*
Buchanan, just like all of the others always talk about bombing Iran. Funny, but there are at least 1 million troops plus reserves, in addition to Iranian Special Forces (Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps) that those 140,000 U.S. troops with have to contend with as well. People like Buchanan that have never served never do consider that yet they will be the first people to say "No one coudl have predicted........."
ysbaddaden @ 50:
yeah and like the victums of katrina , dont hold your breath till you see them mre shutes opening!
How dreamy it must be to a neocon to have three simultaneous wars. Call me Husseiny , but it looks like to me we're trying to "make the Middle-East a glass parking lot" (ref. RedState.com) .
to geraldo@31 Iam thinking maybe the rapture is just what we need,once these damn screwballs are called or sent to where ever ,maybe we can get down to making a world without the hate and trouble they cause with their bullshit. Oh magical being please rapture the neos as well. Oh now I get it, living here on earth with the neo-assholes and the religious shitheads is hell, and after they get raptured then, this will be heaven and the lucky ones who are called away can live forever with the magical being and tell him/her how to run the rest of the universe the way they want! Lo and behold the magical comes down from the heavens,looks around and says WTF, are you people stupid or what? I left word for you to cast these devils out, MB said pointing to the religious shitheads and the neo- ass crowd, and what the fuck have you done with my planet it looks like shit around here, what a pigpen! And didn't I tell you to take care of the poor and sick! And why are all these people in prison? But MB they cry, we stopped those gay people from getting married and we killed off almost all the ones who did not believe the way they should, and we got rid of all those damn critters that were rounding around! The magical being just sobbed and walked away forever ,leaving the stupid humans to live in the shithole they had made! *note this story is fiction,however it is no less crazy than the one they have been selling for years. cc- hagie,parsey,roberts
The Dude @ 74:
Worth repeating with emphasis!
too many asshats are blaming the Iraqi government for "not standing up". WTF is that really about?
see the positive side : attack Iran in october, and the troops are back by christmas. or dead. but not in Iraq anymore ...
Joe O. @ 78:
I dont think Iran has to respond directly with military force because the pure stupidity of bombing Iran will be damage enough to the US. It will reduce US reputation and cast even more doubt on US presence in Iraq and the region. Iranians will look like the peacefull victims, the Americans the arrogant bullies
And @ 20:
Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it?
In this case, those that repeat the mistakes of the past leave the mess for the incoming president to clean up.
That's why we must really pay attention to and choose a candidate who will not be tempted to continue the mess.
McCain wants to make the mess bigger. The 2 Dems want to shrink it, and the independents want to end it.
I like what Pinky and the Brain called the McLaughlin Group
The McLoudness Group.
RW @ 75:
I much prefer whoremongers.
pissed off patricia @ 34:
We got your drift AND YOU ARE RIGHT.
The Iranians have the latest russian anti-aircraft technology, so the likely delivery system from the US will be missiles. The problem is, the Iranians just got a load of 6,000 mile-range missiles, which can wipe out the three fleets closest to Iran and attack Israel as well.
No one is buying the US media ramp-up, except the US media and some politicians. There has to be more pushback against the media AND against asshats like McLIEberCLINTON.
The only possible justification will be some false flag attack, which the US has been unable to provoke(our Navy has two carrier groups already buzzing the Iranian coast. The Iranians are buzzing back!)
If Israel is involved, there will be ramifications involving the entire Muslim world, including Asia and Europe.
Welcome to WWIII.
Never in my life have I seen incompetence at these levels. Its people like Buchanan that grossly underestimate what they could be up against and overestimate their own strengths. They did it in Afghanistan and vastly underestimated the Taliban. Then they underestimated what awaited them in Iraq. Now, they want to make a HUGE blunder and attack Iran. They apparently expect the Iranians to do nothing in response. Don't count on it Buchanan. I expect Iran to counter fast and hard. Geez, not even the Romans were this arrogant and over confident in their abilities.
Bush's father attacked Iran right before the 1988 election, just google 'USS Vincennes.'
These wars are all political tools, and escalations now-a-days are more frequently hinged around 4 year election cycles in America.
Add the growing global food shortage to the mix and we're looking at perpetual war, my friends.
Hillary did declare Iran's army a terrorist organization like McCain. 2/3rd of the government sounds like they support an attack on Iran.
Pat's words carry so much weight.
However, I don't think there will be this attack on Iran. Republicans are cowards and they only attack defenseless countries.
Gumby69 @ 93:
Pat should consult military strategists or maybe read Sun Tzu before he comments on matters that he has no clue about. But I guess being a draft dodger makes you a military expert in the eyes of the Neocons.
what exactly did the U.S. gov't think when they invaded Iraq, what Iran would do? Fuckin' dumbasses! I don't blame Iran 1 iota for aiding the insurgents. What the hell would the U.S. do if China invaded Mexico? Hmmmm I wonder.
Joe O. @ 95:
I'm from Canada moron. And I was being sarcastic.
Joe O. @ 95:
What's wrong with being a draft dodger?
Why wait for Fall? No proofs were needed to attack Irak, so why look for some before attacking Iran?
Pat needs to be taught some new hand gesticulations and how to use them properly to accentuate his speech.
Gumby69 @ 97:
And air strikes against Iran would be a bad thing? It's long overdue- they are training the terrorist that are killing our troops in Iraq. The left wing needs to realize if we don't stay on the offensive, it will be seen as weakness, and an invitation for them to attack us.
Yeah, the new threat to keep the military industrial complex going strong is Iran.
So far, John and the ACLU are trying to hold them accountable and the spineless dems will not.
Sad.
Pierre @ 99:
An attack in the fall would be timed to affect the election results the most, just like the 1988 attack on Iran by Bush's father.
Charles Kramer @ 102:
Living proof of the effectiveness of propagana. Sheesh!
Don't they think enough damage has been done already? Can't we get rid of this bunch before they do any more harm?
The Dude @ 74:
What they're peddling? What they're "peddling" is for US involvement to cease in Iraq. But paying the cost to rebuild Iraq comes from US citizens who did not plan to go into Iraq- so the idea is "why should the average citizen pay for the mistakes of the administration" . They want official investigations to be launched to hold ALL those responsible for starting this war. Besides if you really look at it, there's no way to continue to "rebuild" Iraq without hurting everyone over here because there really is no money for it.
I have family in Iraq, so I understand completely what you're saying- but what you also have to understand is that many Iraqi's don't even want our crappy reconstruction, and just want ANY AND ALL US involvement to cease. Throwing money at Iraq makes sure it only ends up in the hands of warlords like Al-Maliki and does not help the people. If we want to help them we should let as much free-trade between US and Iraqi citizens continue, and thats the most we should be involved in. This isn't a godamn "libertarian" only view so quit trying to put people into your dumb groups.
And all of you that are calling Buchanan a Neo-Con for "supporting a strike on Iran" are COMPLETE IDIOTS. Why don't you read what he actually says before just looking at a Pat Buchanan post and thinking "Pat Buchanan! It must be bad!!!!!"
Charles Kramer @ 102:
Just what is this complex training Iran is allegedly giving to the terrorists? Is 'wait till the American tank passes next to the bomb, then detonate the bomb' that sophisticated of a training regiment?
And how is bombing Iran going to stop this alleged training? Arn't these modern weapons designed to be so easy to use, that a child could operate them? Is any attempt at a plan here or even a goal other then "kill Iranians"???
However it would be easy to the United States to kill alot of Iranians, 10 million live in Tehran alone.
Gumby69 @ 101:
Um guess what you Republican morons: Iran is backing the main Shi'ite parties in Iraq. Iran is practically a member of the Coalition of the Willing. Start bombing them and wow, if you thought 2007 was bad...
Charles Kramer @ 102:
The people killing our troops are NOT terrorists. You can't invade someone else's country, bomb their houses and infrastrucure, and act as if people are going to sit there and take it. Iran doesn't have to influence ANYBODY to get Iraqi's to attack US troops.
We provide funding to terrorists that have killed innocents in Iran, Iraq, AND Afghanistan. I guess by your logic those countries have the right to attack us.
Why is the most powerful country in the world the most insecure? Always threatened by SOMEONE, whether its Al-Qaeda, Iran, North Korea, China, or Russia. None of those countries can even touch is militarily- grow the fuck up.
David Hawes @ 105:
Are you sure it's propaghanda? Maybe alot of Americans want more wars because they are sociopaths that want to see innocent people killed? Saying "we are all being tricked" may just be an excuse at this point to cover up our nation's collective bloodlust.
Shoaib Qadri @ 107:
I believe Pat has been against this war from the start. he believes in an Isolationist U.S. foreign policy, has for years. Though he is still an Ass Clown.
Gumby69 @ 93:
So does Pat.
YourMom @ 47:
I really wish John Amato would put this clip on the site for everyone to see.
Annoyed Canuck @ 38:
In 2004 Osama bin Laden said he wanted to destroy the United States by bankrupting us. It almost looks as thought the neocons and Bush/Cheney administration are helping him.
Charles Kramer @ 102:
Our military weaknesses and strengths are already quite apparent to all watching. Already, one can determine the range of U.S. missiles and their ability to hit their intended targets. Probably our biggest weakness though is the armed forces' obvious inability to counter unconventional warfare and our leadership's extensive ability to under estimate what Iran is capable of in response.
Nah, Pat has not been against the war. Did we see him at a rally prior to the war saying "This is a Dumb War" like we saw Mr. Obama? I know I was at those rallys, and no republicans spoke up those days.
Buchannan's job is to announce the plan to test public reaction. The neocons use this public reaction to determine if the attack furthers their political agenda.
Abbybwood @ 115:
So is Ron Paul going to ask for the Impeachment of Bush like he did with the Impeachment of Bill Clinton? Nah, Ron Paul knows where is allegiance is. Not to his country, it's to his party.
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 58:
Have we really figured much out? Look at the Presidential candidates...
seele @ 119:
Ron Paul is NOT a neo-con. Don't attack someone who is on our side. He wants the pre-emptive wars and constitutional rape to end as well. The MSM did a fine job turning a lot of good Americans off to Ron Paul. For shame.
Also, Bill Clinton lied under oath-- that IS impeachable. Ron Paul did nothing wrong by calling for his impeachment, in fact he did his Congressional duty. People seem to forget it was never about the fact that he had an affair, it was about the fact that the President lied under oath. As hard as it may be to believe now, lying under oath (when proven) is a serious crime that a serious Congressman has the obligation to investigate.
There is no proof the Iranian government is doing anything the republicans claim.
Republicans are liars and cannot be trusted.
I hope all these chickenhawks enlist since they like to believe the republican lies.
If we don't knock out those persian rug factories before they come online it could spell disaster. Colorful rug technology can't be allowed to fall, er, remain in the hands of brown people.
McCain the Liar @ 124:
If General Cody and John Stoltz from Vote Vets are correct, those chickenhawks just might get their chance.
McCain the Liar @ 124:
Yeah... yeah... they're going to enlist. That's like hoping your poop turns out to be Godiva chocolate.
Of course they're liars, everyone knows it and only the brave will admit it. They have unprecedented power, they're not afraid to kill and they have proven beyond reasonable doubt that they can get away with murder and then some. We all need to be ready for a massive coup-- it's coming very soon and the more time we spend caught up in petty party politics, etc. the less likely our chances are of ever waking up to our very grim reality.
bubba @ 125:
Wow, that was not funny at all.
Frank Dufek @ 123:
Petraeus and Crocker were right not to comment. They enact policies told to them, they don't opinionate, or suggest policy that is clearly left up to the Executive or congress houses to debate. Besides I don't think Petraeus or Crocker would like to see this admin bomb Iran it would just add to the Mt. Everest of Stress they probably already have.
Gumby69 @ 129:
Petraeus and Crocker have no idea what they want, they're clearly serving a higher cause. Congressman Paul also did not ask if we were going to bomb Iran, he simply asked if the President now had the authority to make such a strike without Congressional approval-- it was a hypothetical question that could have very simply been answered. The fact that they dodged even THAT, a question that is almost equivalent to asking, "Do we have the right to bear arms?" should scare each and every citizen of this country right to the bone. This is serious.
Buchanan is full of shit. He is too busy singing white power songs anyway.
This is the PNAC crowd, what do you expect?
Ron Paul is not on "our" side. He is as right-wing as they come, whether you call him by the currently fashionable term for right-wingers (neocon) or not. He may play well among whites in the deservedly reviled state of Texas, but don't expect the rest of the country to fall for his anti-immigrant, capitalism-above-all, property-before-people foulness. He may claim to be against this war now, but war is certainly good for business, so I doubt he would stay that way long once he was in a position to actually do something about it. He'd probably withdraw the US military troops but expand the private mercenaries, since he hates government and loves profit so much. And he'd do that while at the same time allowing the teaching of creationism in the few public schools that remained before he did away with public schools to satisfy his privatization fetish.
And I wish people would quit suggesting that "if these chickenhawks love war so much, they should enlist". The last thing the traumatized people of the Middle East need is more American right-wingers flying to their countries to kill them. There's enough of them there already, living out their right-wing dreams of unfettered aggression against foreigners. Being in the military does not make you noble, and it doesn't mean you've suffered, so get over that shit.
So with an executive order signed last summer that states that Bush can declare a national emergency even if not in our own country and he and only he can call off the national emergency. As well there is no mention of congressional oversite. A second executive order was signed last fall that gives Bush the ability to take anyones or any corporation's assets in the case of a national emergency. He will bomb Iran as the October surprise and October will be the end of our democracy.
Oh, I forgot the part about Bush being able to declare maritial law as part of the 1st executive order.
deang @ 133:
If he's so into profit then why is he an advocate of ending the drug war? Also, why has he voted to not fund the Iraq war (which he also voted not to enter) consistently since its inception? Honestly, do you know anything more about him than your ill-formed opinions? Have you read any of his essays or listened to any of his speeches?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul369.html
Start with that.
Will someone ask Pelosi if Impeachment is still off the table?
How many of those grandkids that surrounded her at her swearing in as Speaker will end up as troops occupying Iraq or Iran?
Medical Diagnosis by Video @ 137:
Yes, it's off. Yes, there's a whole lot more to these stories of government injustice than the average person knows. No, Pelosi does not care whether or not those kids go to war-- actions speak louder than words.
deang @ 133:
He's always talked AGAINST the Military industrial complex, since something like that only arises through government cooperation with big business(Corporatism, which he has always been against).
Why would he do away with public schools, he's used them before. He's against the Department of Education deciding what the rules should be for all schools across the country(with the logic being that a local community would be better able to handle school policies than washington). He never said he wants to close public schools or put his own ideas into the curriculum. Check out his interview with google(type in Ron Paul Google), its a comprehensive interview which would get you more familiar. I don't support Hilary, Barack, or McCain, but christ at least I read up on their policies before forming my opinion.
I wish people would stop seperating everyone into dumb republican or democrat categories. The current democratic congress continues to finance the war even though they have the power to stop it(and many voted to give bush authorization to go in)- why should I think of them as any different than the republicans at this point? Like George galloway said about the British parliament- everyone who voted for the Iraq war and continues to fund it is either too stupid, or too wicked to serve in the United States Congress.
[OK. Let's head back to the topic of this thread, which is not Ron Paul. We've had an insult, it's been fielded. Enough-Sitemonitor]
Bye Bye!
All the generals ( at least those that don't kiss chimpy's ass ) say that we have stresses the military and cannot respond to another threat i.e north korea coming over the border china invading taiwan etc sooooo where does chimpy think he'll pull troops out of to thump Iran?? We just love pissing people off the next prez ( unless it's McWar) will have a lot of kissing up to do to get other nations to even think of America as anything other than a fascist state.
I remember the mini series Amerika that played during the 80's in it a line that has stuck was " you set yourself apart from the rest of the world and when your time of need came the rest of the world turned away" so true so true
If we do attack Iran, it's game over. Iran will retaliate by attacking our troops in Iraq/Afghanistan, which means Bush will seek regime change. He'll invade Iran, but the 50,000 troops won't be enough so he'll either have a draft or resort to using Nuclear weapons.
If he does use nuclear weapons then I don't see how China/Russia turn a blind eye.
fuck bush and buchannan, they and cheney support the
and are complicit with the worst of the supporters of terrorists,
saudi arabia. IT IS KNOWN that saudi arabia is supporting with
money backing to the terrorists and that saudi arabia is
providing the most money to these terrorists groups.
so why is bush and cheney not will to attack saudi arabia, a
known terrorist backer?
well, that is because the bush family and cheney are in bed
deeply with saudi arabia leaders. so who is a terrorist in America?
could that be bush and cheney? certainly appears to be so!
And Fallon is not around to stop them like he did when they 'accidently' sent nukes to the wrong base. That was a backdoor attempt to nuke Iran. Of course they're going to try it again. We are ruled by sociopaths and there is nothing you and I can do about it. Letters, phone calls, protests, the opposition of Congress (such as it is) mean nothing to them; Cheney said it all in one word, "So?"
The night the bombing starts in Iran, the bombing must start here. Revolution NOW.
There is nothing anyone can do to prevent the US bombing Iran. Once that happens, escalation (or whatever catchy name they give it this time) will be inevitable, with an extremely high probability of that escalation being nuclear. This will lead to a broadening of the conflict in general, and the destruction of the US.
I'm just trying to enjoy every minute until the end.
marko @ 40:
Buchanan born 1938 - time in uniform 0.
Chickenhawk.
How about this scenario?
Bush pulls off his "October surprise" and bombs Iran. Yeah, but that's only Part I of the "surprise." Part II: Bush declares a state of emergency, "postpones" the presidential election and retains the White House.
And @ 20:
No, you mean Hitler and Kaiser Wilhelm. Napoleon only fought on one front, so did Stalin.
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