Real Time with Bill Maher: New Rules On Being An Elitist
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Bill Maher goes off on chick vs. slasher flicks, postage on tax returns, airline customer service, papal dress, corporate takeovers and how Barack Obama's "bitter" comments are not as elitist as John McCain would like you to believe.
Referring to voters who America has left behind economically as “bitter” isn’t an insult. In fact, it’s a compliment, acknowledging that they’re smart enough to understand what’s happening to them. The hopeful, now those are some idiots. So let’s separate the bitter – my people – from the idiots. If you think the Democrats are going to take away your Bible, you’re an idiot. If you think they’re going to take away your gun, you’re an armed idiot. And if you think they’re going to take away your gun and give it to a Mexican to kill your God, you’re Bill O’Reilly.
Heather also has Bill's interview with Chris Matthews up at YouTube.
It's not the "bitter," it's the "cling to."
Jeebus, Kool-aid must kill brain cells.
I just can't believe anyone is attempting to deny that Republicans exploit fear and racial and religious prejudice to win elections. I expect Republicans and their lapdogs in the Corporate Media to deny it, but the Clinton campaign? If they can't understand that simple dynamic, they sure have no hope of winning a general election.
This is so ridiculous that a Bill O'Reilly monologue couldn't describe it. Just how are the atheists supposed to take over from us Christians? Sure, there's more atheists than Muslims, but Jeez, if people think the likes of Chris Hitchens or Dick Dawkins are gonna rule this country they're shittin' themselves.
That said, as a Christian, I must ask, why do the atheists get all the cool books and we get garbage like Left Behind? Bertrand Russell outdid any Christian of his era. So did Ingersoll. Dawkins and company aren't fit to lick their bootstraps, but damn, they can write.
I'd take Dawkin's worst over Timmeh Lahaye's best, and yes, I've read both. But Bertrand Russell...ye gods, he leaves them both in the dust. Despite believing in God, Russell's "philosophy of unyielding despair" hits much closer to the bone than most Christian talk, excepting Ecclesiastes in the Bible.
To be an atheist or agnostic in our religious society takes a quality of character and independent critical thinking skills to be able to step outside the confines of what's considered to be right think in our culture. Small wonder they're better writers than those who swallow unsubstantiated cultural myths whole cloth without applying logic, reason or the scientific method before accepting extraordinary claims of the supernatural.
Bill Maher is such a damn perceptive guy when it comes to how the American people are feeling, but so many voters are so damn stupid that they'll listen to whatever the commentators tell them.
"Bitter" doesn't mean "stupid" or "unrealistic" or even "prone to violence," it means "irritated" or "disillusioned." I know that millions of Americans are certainly disillusioned; the poll numbers reflecting Bush's popularity show that without a doubt. But the morons will keep looking for reasons to be offended; it's like a super feminist taking young men to court for referring to their wives or girlfriends by pet names, or Christian parents seeking to ban stories from Greek mythology in fifth grade classes for fear that the teachers could be trying to convert children to "paganism." Seriously, that's all this is: people who are pissed off by nature looking for excuses to bash someone.
Nicole Bell:
Ooh, I know this one. Chick flick v. Slasher films, that's where the conventional wisdom is that women prefer films in which women get married, and men prefer films in which women get dismembered.
Yep, sure, sexism is all in the past now.
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Snowball @ 4:
I know, it's a shame the Evangelicals feel the only way to be good servants to Jesus is to rip off science and pretend the knock-off is superior...
Here is a news stream about breaking news from the NYTimes exposing about 10 Generals who went to the networks for the Bush administration with lies to make the Administration look good. This Story just broke hours ago in the NYT.
Hidden Hand of Pentagon Helps Steer Military Analysts
We can only hope this story and others now coming to the surface, continue. It seems each layer peeled reveals an even smellier interior.
I loved it.
JGabriel @ 6:
Ooh, I know this one. Chick flick v. Slasher films, that's where the conventional wisdom is that women prefer films in which women get married, and men prefer films in which women get dismembered.
Yep, sure, sexism is all in the past now.
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Like the Racism is starting to wake up from his Coma, the Patriarchy's decided to wake up from his nap at racism's hospital bed...
8 ♣Bangkok Bob♠ Says:
We can only hope this story and others now coming to the surface, continue. It seems each layer peeled reveals an even smellier interior.
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Can it get any "smellier" than it is now? H-O-L-Y!!!! I guess so. Off to do some reading at NYT.
Jon Stewart did a great job going after the "elitist" BS as well earlier this week.
http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008/04/15/jon-stewart-barack-obama-makes...
The best part is at about 7:50 on the video and, in my opinion, is spot on.
I haven't been a big fan of Maher in the past, but this was spot on.
so, NOW "it's not 'the bitter', it's the 'cling to'"...
and we all know it SHOULD have been "vote for" instead of "cling to"...
but we all know what obama meant...
Snowball @2 - that was masterful... the placement and the message...
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 8:
DoD / Pentagon has a PR dept to promote policy, something which is illegal under the Hatch act.
It must be galling when you are a fruit salad chested staff officer, but they are mere servants of the people not gods.
General_Rennenkampf @ 3:
Same reason Christian Rock sucks and the same reason Christian Comedians aren't funny.
Those who go out of their way to announce their religious faith always end up at the very least annoying people and the most pissing them off. This, among many other reason, is why I am happy to have no religious faith whatsoever.
Snowball @ 13:
Some of his stuff is very good like tonight, some merely so so, material, writers and outrage all play a part.
Loved this:
And this:
And this:
Three's a charm.
Zenrage @ 16:
and Faux's late and mostly not missed comedy half hour
Otay @ 18:
#1 reason people voted for Republicans... they believed the BS about tax cuts, poor misguided fools.
#2 reason the moronic and treasonous talk about how everybody is out to get us, so we must go and kill and steal from everybody else first.
"Because shit kickers voted for a retarded guy who they wanted to have a beer with, and everybody else has had to suffer ever since". Nice definition of the eletism of the 28%'ers.
Okay, I don't always like him, but that was awesome, from beginning to end. Even the fluff was funny.
So right, OH and look at the progress we're making today in Iraq. Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood work Bush.
VegasRage @ 23:
the mercs are retaking Basra, photo on NYT shows non Iraqi troops with mismatched uniforms in the streets advancing.
its prob a given that once they have total control of Basra that a bloodbath of suspected Sadr will happen, and end up being blamed on factions.
Marvelous!!
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YES, it's not the "bitter" but the "cling to". And MORE than that. It's also the "cling to" their guns, religion, ANTI-immigration sentiment and anti-trade sentiment. That's the way Barack Obama was caught on tape characterizing small-town Americans.
Notice how typically the Obamaniacs conveniently forget to include the "ANTI-immigration sentimant" portion of what Obama said about small-town Americans. It's convenient since the guns and religion portion is still kind of cool to debate...but the ANTI-immigration portion smacks of racial bigotry and, therefore, a characterization of THAT regarding small-town America must not be associated with their precious Barack Obama.
But it was. He said it.
And that's also one of the reasons there was such a ridiculous backlash toward the ABC debate moderators. How DARE Charles Gibson actually repeat the "ANTI-immigration sentiment" portion of what Obama was caught on tape saying in his question about it when all the other mainstream media outlets followed the Obamaniac rules and only made to reference to the "guns and religion" portion!!
Like Bill Maher did.
I have always been suspicious of the batches of 50 bodies that were regularly found handcuffed and tortured to death in Baghdad and similar places,
It struck me as odd that Iraqi security forces would abandon metal handcuffs and the numbers were always too regular.
Always reeked more of a Central American jail clearing exercise, CIA style.
Few Americans know that this country's form of government isn't a democracy or the name of the capital of Pakistan or even remember that we blew up an Iranian airliner full of innocent people in the first Bush administration. On average, we are not a very well informed voter pool.
The adage that "all politics are local" is what Obama was really referring to. When people can't understand or connect to Economics, Foreign Policy or Human Rights issues, they vote on the things that matter to them locally or personally... and these things are often guided by the very ignorance and fear that causes them to go blank on the big issues. The Republicans have understood this and mastered the techniques of speaking into it. I hope the Democratic party is up to the task of running an idiot's campaign again McCain. Their ace in the hole is that the record of the Bush administration is so incredibly awful, that people might actually pay attention this year. I sure hope so.
the hrc crowd's bitching and whining about caususes over at huffpo.
what's the matter, clintonistas?
frustrated because you can't steal caucuses the way you can primaries?
you scumbags apparently had the nerve to steal new hampshire on elvis's b-day, then you had the audacity to seemingly report zero votes in harlem for barry obama.
and you feign surprise at the corruption of eliot spitzer?
you better hope ed rendell isn't thinking about rigging penn. it's my understanding he's al ready up shiut creek w/ a turd for a paddle when peter paul kicks off.
*shit
Bill Maher nails it yet again.
Cornell West sure was disappointing in this episode. I've liked some of the things he's had to say in the past but here he was either unintelligible or blathering on about spirituality and love and why he's a Christian.
Would have liked to hear more from Ayan Hirsi Ali. She did defend Dawkins from West's name-calling but for the most part she was pretty quiet.
“Because shit kickers voted for a retarded guy who they wanted to have a beer with, and everybody else has had to suffer ever since“. Nice definition of the eletism of the 28%’ers.
Bill Maher voted for Nader in 2000. That makes him an idiot.
rk @ 32:
You ever made a mistake in your life? Oh, I'm sorry....your parents did.
Damn, Bill!!! That was GOOOOOD!!!
My Dad voted for Nader in 2000 (IN FLORIDA!). I called him an idiot to his face. He now agrees it was stupid.
rk @ 32:
Then Maher literally got down on his knees, on-air, and begged Nader not to run in 2004. That makes him smart again, and you an idiot.
rk @ 32:
Why? Maher's vote- presumably cast in California- didn't cost Gore a thing: Gore got all of California's Electoral College votes.
And you can't say that Nader voters in Florida cost Gore anything either: unofficial recounts showed that Gore won the popular vote, thus the Electoral College vote there, too, and so should have been sworn in as President in '01.
If your argument is with Nader himself, I'm not going to argue with you. I've found no reason to ever cast my vote for him. I've been a Yellow Dog Democrat from the get-go. But I'm not going to rule out a third party candidate in the future. Political parties mutate. Lincoln's GOP would be unrecognizable to him today. The same can be said for Jefferson Davis and his Democratic Party.
8 ♣Bangkok Bob♠ Says: Here is a news stream about breaking news from the NYTimes exposing about 10 Generals who went to the networks for the Bush administration with lies to make the Administration look good. This Story just broke hours ago in the NYT.
Hidden Hand of Pentagon Helps Steer Military Analysts
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EVERYONE OUGHT TO GO AND READ THIS.
Iknew it was bad, and rotten to the core, but we've all been Psyoped. BIG TIME.
If you think the Democrats are going to take away your Bible, you’re an idiot. If you think they’re going to take away your gun, you’re an armed idiot. And if you think they’re going to take away your gun and give it to a Mexican to kill your God, you’re Bill O’Reilly.
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Funny. True, though.
"Shit kickers voted twice for a retarded guy they wanted to have a beer with and the rest of us paid the consequences"
Maher took it to the hoop with that one!
bitter hussein katy @ 14:
yeah !wonder who writes this shit for him! i know hes not smart enough to write it hiself!
tyree @ 41:
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Snowball @ 42:
mahers just a commedian , and he pays writers for his material, just like the politicans do!it dont make him a genious
According to Mathews/Maher, 60-75% Catholics are for Clinton...what's a name for it? prejudice
jake3988 @ 39:
Monday morning, that quote is going up on my cubicle wall at work. I'm putting it up right next to my sign emblazoned with the words "PARTY LIKE IT'S 1929!"
tyree @ 43:
Ah, ok. I read that as being directed at me. I never said anything about Maher being a genius and I do write my own stuff.
General_Rennenkampf @ 3:
May I ask to what you're responding? The answer to your question is simply generations of persuasion, though the odds aren't on our side. Besides most of us have no interest in "taking over," unless that means preventing theocrats from integrating church and state, and ensuring that freedom of religion also includes the freedom from religion. But I'm not sure why you asked the question on this thread?
Woe be unto us if Hitchens or his ilk ever took over. :) Atheist warmongers have as bad a foreign policy as the theistic ones.
Russell was awesome indeed. I like your comments here, General. You seem like a theist with whom I, as an atheist, could have a respectful conversation about religion.
jake3988 @ 39:
It is funny, but I think Obama's point (now lost amidst the analysis of his elitism) was that it makes sense for people to vote on such issues. They're not idiots necessarily; they're people who've been not only indoctrinated, but propagandized by the very people who continue to hurt them. They've been duped.
The point of the now-infamous comment was that people have seen their lives and livelihoods ruined at the hands of an uncaring government, and after decades of politicians promising emptily that they would rectify the situation, they no longer believe that government will do anything for them economically. Thus, they are very receptive to memes like, "If you think times are bad now, just wait until the Democrats take over. Count your blessings you have around you, because if these guys take over, not only will you not have any economic well being, you won't have your freedom of religion or your freedom to hunt and bear arms either." So, they, ahem, "cling to" what they have and cherish -- in a political sense, in terms of how they vote -- because they don't want to lose that too.
Republicans exploit that fear and emotion all the time. Obama was saying that it makes sense for them to feel that way. McCain says, oh, they don't feel that way, they think everything is just great. But somehow, it's Obama who's the out-of-touch elitist.
Snowball @ 46:
tyree @ 49:
didnt say you did!
Conan the Grammarian @ 36:
Maher didn't have one positive thing to say about Kerry through his entire campaign. He waited until AFTER the election was over to say on his show that Kerry had it right and so on. I remember being SHOCKED when I finally heard him say something positive about Kerry then.
Beware of double-agents like Bill Maher. He talks a good game when it doesn't matter. Then when it matters he'll give up on the Dem and start spouting shit about how "both Parties are just as bad" that could concievably be good for several thousand votes in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc.
tyree @ 50:
I know now, it's a problem when quoting other peoples comments. Things get confusing.
1 more thing I would like to say to Nicole
I typically enjoy all of the posters here, but the person who sparked the "elitist" controversy about Obama's comments was Senator Clinton, not Senator McCain. He may have gone along with the idea and yes, it was the Republicans that started making elitist a bad thing, but she was the trigger for this firestorm. It could have otherwise, had it been said by anyway else, just been brushed off as a partisan attack.
Snowball @ 52:
c and l seems screwed up tonight, i ment to post my comment by itself ,some how it ended up where you posted!
[Deleted. No ALL CAPS here, please-Sitemonitor]
Your caps key is stuck, and yes your taxes are going to be raised to make up for the horrible deficits that dumb ass Bush created with his phony War On Terriers.
billy simpson @ 57
Myth: If they don’t get seated until the convention but a nominee is selected before these poor people get counted then these states are disenfranchised.
I pretty much agree with all that you wrote except the above on the meaning of "disenfranchised." I actually would say that all the states who have not yet held primaries have been effectively disenfranchised since McCain's clinching the nomination. States like Oregon have been effectively left out of the primaries forever. Candidates don't have to care about their votes or opinions because they know the race will be decided by the time the race gets to them.
If you don't have a voice in the elections, if your opinion simply doesn't matter at all, because of the system, you've been disenfranchised. This is something we really should consider when devising our primary calendar to begin with.
Obviously, I'm not arguing that Florida's or Michigan's elections should count. But the people of those states were largely screwed by their own state governments.
Carry on Bill ,
we get so little truth these days , but then who watches msm , and I do love humor . John E was pretty funny the other day , it is so hard to smile these days .
Tired of war untill it is fought by old men with swords , that I will vote for .
Here's a note to Bill Maher, the United States Postal Service doesn't receive any taxpayer subsidies from the federal government. So you'll still have to put those stamps on your taxes.
To make up for the mess that was the ABC debate, Jon Stewart and Bill Maher, having done serious interviews with class, should be moderators for the debate with Clinton and Obama. Remember Jon Stewart's smackdown with McCain over the Iraq War? Or Bill Maher's interviews with Bill Moyers of PBS Journal and Michael Moore with his release of the movie 'Sicko'?
It will be a great way to first repair some of the damage while showing how comedians can do it better than the mainstream media. Bill Moyers would also make a good moderator himself.
instead of calling your neighbor stupid... reach out to him and try and find a common ground. The reason all the religious types are so radical is insecurity and lack of understanding. We have to explain it to them as brothers and friends or they wont listen. I wish all atheists out there would take the high road and come together and get the word of truth out to the people who are held down by this relentless media campaign..... if we see this nation suffering we should rise up to help everyone else we see suffering and wake them up from their nightmares. The time for discussion is over, and the time for action has come.
Karen @ 47:
Zenrage @ 16:
Zenrage: You have a very good point. Most Christian music is secular music with "Jesus" in it in place of a few of the words anyway. It seems to me evangelicalism (which I was raised in) without the secular state would crash in burn within a year or two.
Karen: I was responding to Maher's statement on the very accurate beliefs of a lot of theists: if you think the Democrats are going to take away your Bible, you're an idiot. Obviously, not all Democrats are atheists, I will accept that I over-generalized there. But the stereotype of a Democrat in these parts is of an atheist who is a Marxist one-worlder. The Democrats of faith are much closer, IMHO, to the message of the Gospels, and even of the Tanakh, where social justice and caring for the disadvantaged are emphasized much more than "burn the gays and the uppity wimmens" in modern evangelicalism. However, even though they are closer, I am of the opinion that religion has no place in the public discourse. Put somebody in a position of power (like Dubya, frex), who thinks God talks back, chaos ensues.
Yeah, Hitchens is for the unwinnable Iraq war, which makes me a little suspicious about him. He still rights better than most Christians, though.
Thank you. I do like Bertrand Russell's works, and also Robert Ingersoll. Templeton I've also found to be very eloquent, and I despise the attempt by the "Christians" in one of the evangelical books to "witness" to him in the middle of his Alzheimer's. Jesus, people the guy was dying, those evangelicals could have shown a little respect for the decision he made. Also, I've read Dawkins, and having read Lahaye's works, I can agree that to call Dawkins a fundamentalist atheist merely because he is vocal is wrong. Fundamentalism can only occur in the belief of a deity or some other idea common to the public discourse. Considering the bad rap atheists get, I'd be very surprised to meet a fundamentalist atheist in this society. In a world of 6.6 billion humans, that's possible, of course, but still....
Should be "writes" better when talking about Hitchens, and there's your proof. ;)
100% correct, the ignorant people who don't pay enough attention to what is going on to tell you who Karl Rove is voted for an idiot and everyone else had to suffer along. And then when I try to point out that the person they voted for is a War Criminal, my patriotism is questioned.
Well I say Fuck Everyone who votes but doesn't keep up with current events (and I'm not talking about Britney or Idol)
and Fuck Everyone who votes for the person with the best commercial or bumper sticker slogan!
Fuck Everyone who listens to the government or news outlet and fears what they are told to fear! Think for yourself! oh, I guess if you could think you wouldn't be the idiot who is out smarted by the propaganda press.
My main rule in life is "Don't believe ANYTHING the government tells me...period! I listen to what is said and then look into the available facts myself" especially when it involves fearing something or someone. I would like to trust my government more but when it comes to threats against this country they lied to us about the Indians, they lied to us about the immigrants, the lied to us about Black Americans, they lied to us about the communists and they are lying now about the terrorists.
When we the people be smarter then their leaders? I guess that question answers itself...
...damn.
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 64:
I agree with what you said here, but regarding the Indians and the Communists, they didn't just lie, they often caused the incidents to justify the threat. Immigrants and blacks served as a distraction from the often-poor governance of the past. The terrorists of today are a threat, but a law enforcement one, not one to be met with MOABs and Abrams. And, like the Communists and Indians, they are a "threat" of our own making.
#37
"If your argument is with Nader himself, I’m not going to argue with you. I’ve found no reason to ever cast my vote for him. I’ve been a Yellow Dog Democrat from the get-go. But I’m not going to rule out a third party candidate in the future. Political parties mutate. Lincoln’s GOP would be unrecognizable to him today. The same can be said for Jefferson Davis and his Democratic Party."
What you say is true. Third party candidates are a good idea, but in 2000 Nader's main argument was that there was no difference between the parties which was an idiotic argument to make. Apparently Maher bought into that argument. He was a part of the problem at that time along with the rest of the media when he use to call Al Gore boring and too intellectual. It should have been apparent to Nader voters at that time that there was no way Nader was going to win, and their vote would act as a spoiler for the Democrats. Just because Maher's vote did not change the ultimate outcome in California does not mean it was the right way to go. He was not a fan of Kerry either. I like Maher and agree with much of what he says, but it annoys me a bit when a former (repentant!) Nader voter calls people stupid for their votes.
The obama apoligists dismiss the Florida and Michigan problem as a self-inflicted event. But would they have such a stance if he was behind by 1 or 2%??? Without those registered democratic votes is this tight contest -- obama will never have a mandate from his own party; and like bush in 2000, will never be seen as a fairly elected politican by millions of democrats. That is a problem. Now obama has spent over 3 million for ads in Pennsylvania --- and yet is still unable to close the deal. They say now he will win; because Hillary will only win the state by 5 or 7% -- instead of the double digit win she was supposed have ... from months ago. How is a win a win -- when you lose? And that Dean demanding the party wrap this thing up -- before the primaries are over is crazy. When dems like me invest time and their MONEY in these contests -- we want to see our money's worth and a fair fight. Telling the woman to get off the stage now 'cause she is hurting the party is ---- fucking the party --- is beyond the pale. Sen Hillary Clinton supporters are not TRUE BELIEVERS and romantic about their gal --- they are older and wise and pragmatic about their choices; she is smart and 16hour a day hard working. And can do the job. So if she loses, fair and square --FINE. But with a denial of suffrage for two large states that voted for her, and the bums rush to get her to quit -- anger is building against the democratic party leadership and a deep question of the legitimacy of the choice of obama. Half of the democratic party sitting on its ass is not a good forecast for the fall election. NOT BITTER OR CLINGY -- BUT PISSED OFF
douglas in oklahoma @ 67:
It's only "self-inflicted" if you consider a state to be the kind of entity that can inflict wounds upon itself. Many people simply think that the elections were against the party rules, but that the people of those states were screwed by their elected officials.
It would not make any difference to the legitimacy of the argument if they wouldn't. It is an ad hominem fallacy to impugn the motives for making an argument rather than attack the argument itself. (The flipside, of course, is that if Senator Clinton would take a different stance if she were the one ahead is irrelevant as well.)
That's unknowable. If those elections had been held in compliance with the rules, there might still have been 8 or 9 candidates competing vigorously there. The entire dynamics would have changed.
Neither Obama nor Clinton will receive a majority of the delegates by the end of this contest. And we have no idea how Michigan or Florida would have affected the primary race had the states' elections been legitimate. Moreover, there are so many states that have been effectively left out of the primary process for decades. People in Oregon are excited that, for the first time in many of their lifetimes, their votes might actually make a difference. The process is flawed. Eventually, we have to rally around the candidate who emerges from the process -- if, that is, our common goal is to prevent another disastrous four years of Republican rule. (And afterwards, we can work to reform the process so that this doesn't happen again.)
My candidate did not gather enough votes early on to continue. I could now make arguments to the effect that he would have had a better shot if his home state voted first, or I could promise to support the nominee, whoever s/he turns out to be. I've done the latter. I hope you will too.
Each has won states where s/he has competed hard. Each has lost states where s/he has competed hard. That's how it goes. No one state matters most on its own in the primary process, and the media spin on the situation is typically silly.
Dean is imploring the superdelegates to let their views be known as soon as possible so that the party can rally around its nominee. Dean is also enforcing the rules as they are written. He's not straying from them for the benefit of either candidate.
We all want that. You're not the only one who's invested. And you're getting a fair fight according to the rules endorsed and ratified by each and every candidate.
Obama largely agrees, and has welcomed her to run as long as she wants.
And, by and large, Obama supporters believe that he is the better choice for legitimate reasons. Perhaps they are younger in general, but they are wise and pragmatic as well.
We don't know that those states would have voted for her if those states' elections were legitimate. And even Senator Clinton acknowledges that. In her efforts to get a re-vote, she has stated that she cannot know how such an election would turn out. There are so many states who have been effectively denied suffrage for playing by the rules, and waiting their turns. By the time the elections got around to them, the nominee had already garnered a majority if delegates. Had the contest been held in reverse order of states, it is arguable that the nominee would have been a different person. Ultimately, this renders the primary process flawed in and of itself. But if all the states sign onto rules, then we have to abide by those rules. Yes, the voters of Florida and Michigan are getting screwed by their own elected officials. No, it's not fair to them. It's a flawed process, and has been ever since its inception. But Florida and Michigan are not being discriminated against; they are not having rules applied to them that are not applied to every other state.
True. And if Senator Clinton manages to pull off an upset at this point, it'll be the other half pissed off and threatening to sit out the election. Ultimately, I hope (and tend to expect) that the losing side will rally around the winner for the sake of keeping Republicans out of the White House.
Fair enough.
Karen: master of the block quote function!
I hope you all get what you want, whatever that may be. You atheists, well, good luck to you on that bet. You folks that are still whining about the 2000 election, isn't there a time limit? And for you who think Obama will "change" anything; I'm sorry for you. The changes will be increased taxation; and it won't be for the war, it will be for pork. For you who hate this government so bitterly; there are no locks on the borders. Hit the road. Try some of your antics in another country, pick one, and see how much you end up loving that country.
Maher is an angry person; he will still be angry in the next administration which he hopes is Republican (so he won't lose his audience).
Love your country and be proud of it.
Say something nice to someone else today (I'm sure it won't be me)
Why is it that people feel the need to declare how someone ELSE hates their country?
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