Yes of course, because lord knows, no one can speak to America's youth like an addled, cranky 72 year old man who can't keep his facts straight.

Kay: I think he can win if security and the war are issues in November. If they’re on the front page and people are feeling nervous, the way they did in 2000, the way they did in 2004, then I think John McCain resonates experience, gravitas, somebody who you might feel safe with in a way that Barack Obama doesn’t.

Ok, so McCain's got the bedwetter vote sewed up. Big deal.

McCain could start dressing like the Fonz. That should bring in the youth vote.

geneHUSSEIN214 @ 5:

Matthews: If he can contest young voters, it seems to me he’s really in play in the general.

Contest young voters??? WTF?? Can somebody tell me what that means???

Sorry, Matthews is the only one who can tell you what it means. I haven't a clue.

This is obviously going to change when it becomes a two-horse race...

But this concern over who will corner the youth vote begs the question as to whether the younger generation will carefully examine the issues of each of the candidates and by doing so, will they actually come to the realization that none of the three major candidates is advocating the total and immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces from that abattoir in Iraq? Will they have the foresight of many of their parents' generation by actually questioning authority and the need of the government and the politicians who are so quick to wage war for no valid reason whatsoever? Will they be able to think for themselves or will they be so quick to be swayed by the mainstream media and their desire to stir up patriotic fervor?

pissed off patricia @ 7:

We were watching that show this morning and when this topic came up, my husband said, "They are not living in the real world. No way in hell young people are going to gather around that man."

We had just watched McCain on George's show and McCain came across as an old man who was off his meds. He kept doing his nervous laugh and contradicting himself like crazy.

It never ceases to amaze me, these pompous, out of touch, talking heads sitting around having these phoney as hell "earnest" discusstions about what will or will not resonate with the "youth" vote. I had a similar reaction one day last week when, much to my disgust, I had the misfortune of catching Brit Fumes' show. The topic was Obama's "bitter" remark and he had the likes of Mort Kondracke, Charlie Krauthammer, and Fred Barnes bloviating on what should or should not offend working class Americans, as if these three old white guys would have the slightest clue as to what it means to be working class in this country. Really pathetic.

(Wait: do they even have McCain Super Fries in the US?)

"It’s one of those “through the looking glass” moments "---------How about a half hour of" WTF through the BROKEN looking glass?",or gazing in of those circus mirrors that distort reality! For Chrissakes,what did this panel have for breakfast,EVEN Howard Fineman,no less? The expiration date on integrity is exceedingly short lived --- I don't believe that there is even a sell by date stamped on these shills,anymore.They need to retire before they expire. (Come to think of it,that would be sound advice for McCain.)

Lurkitty @ 19:

I can't find any other link to that poll that quotes those numbers. Why does every other poll have Obama blowing everyone else away in that age range??

Neither could I when I was trying to find a link for it. I'm curious to the particulars on that poll.

[bucket of cold water]
McCain will be the next president of the US.
YES, The majority of americans are in fact Fascist.
NO, the american people have not had enough.
[\bucket of cold water]

Terry Cunningham @ 17:

I don't know the methodology of this poll, but if the survey was done by phone then the results may mean less than nothing. A lot of 18-24 year olds use cell phones as their primary means of voice communication, and they probably weren't included in the survey.

Phone polls are a joke. How many people surveyed actually are within that age group?? I have no trouble imagining some 40 or 50 year old dittohead saying "Oh yeah, I'm between 18 and 24 years old!!" just so they can fuck with the survey.

There's one word that would dissolve this attraction of youth to McCain in a second: DRAFT!
Let's do it, please.

Lisa Williamson @ 13:

I seriously doubt the veracity of that poll, unless they were exclusively asking young Republicans. For more of a reality check, see the San Francisco Chronicle's article,

'Millennial Generation' set to rock the vote at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/19/MNN7107FVE.DTL&tsp=1

Bingo ! It's an NBC/WSJ poll . Two corporations that WANT McCain to continue the slaughter in the Middle East . So the likelyhood that it's skewed is about 98%, plus or minus 2%, 4 times out of 5.

McCain said he was "illiterate" when it comes to computers and has to rely on his wife.
I think young people can relate and would want a president who was so retro.
I can only see his numbers going up when the real election comes.

How about this otion? "they just make shit up"

I do not beileve those numbers any more than I believe anything else from the fucking wall street journal and general electric. McLame has a better chance of catcing herpes from Paris Hilton than of capturing the youth vote.

National Chair, Youth For McCain

The polls are worthless, what more evidence does one need? Furthermore, it's clear that the press isn't just drinking the kool-aid, it's mixing it up and adding extra sugar to make the bad medicine go down. Once the economy becomes the abiding issue, and the cause of our moral and fiscal depression is pointed out over and over again by the Dems, this Press Release McCain will be exposed for the rusty piece of junk that he is.

Numbers can be made to dance......except the Watusi.

Once again, Matthews at his highest journalistic integrity. This of course would fail a statistics course in any Statistics course in any high school. Looking at Quinnapiac Obama that same month in NY rated 8 points above McCain at that poll has twice the sample size. Of course it is only 1257 and any statistics student should tell you that for accuracy there should be a sample size of 2000!

Oh, the interesting poll Matthews uses happens to be THE ONLY one that shows McCain leading. Yes, and its sample size is 576! Did they mention that the % error us +/-4%. Which is about right with the others if we add 4% to Obama and subtract four from McCain. What do you know... then McCain is getting a thrashing, like the other polls say.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ny/new_york_mccain_vs_obama-343.html

Someone should call them out for this. It is clear something is going on here. Even if the poll is a constant fluke, which I doubt, why did Matthews Cherry pick this data for his show and mislead the public to think that this is even close to the truth.

for those who want to see a comparison - see below.

Quinnipiac 04/14 - 04/15 1257 LV 39 47 9 Obama +8.0
SurveyUSA 04/11 - 04/13 499 RV 43 52 5 Obama +9.0
WNBC/Marist 04/03 - 04/04 576 RV 48 46 6 McCain +2.0
Quinnipiac 03/16 - 03/18 1528 RV 38 49 8 Obama +11.0
Rasmussen 03/11 - 03/11 500 LV 38 51 11 Obama +13.0
SurveyUSA 02/26 - 02/28 592 RV 38 52 10 Obama +14.0
SurveyUSA 02/15 - 02/17 519 RV 36 57 7 Obama +21.0
Siena 02/11 - 02/14 633 RV 40 47 13 Obama +7.0
SurveyUSA 01/20 - 01/21 516 RV 43 49 8 Obama +6.0
SurveyUSA 12/13 - 12/15 503 RV 43 47 10 Obama +4.0
SurveyUSA 11/09 - 11/11 516 RV 43 49 9 Obama +6.0
Quinnipiac 09/24 - 09/30 1504 RV 39 47 8 Obama +8.0
Siena 06/18 - 06/21 800 RV 35 49 -- Obama +14.0

Gregory, and Matthews no longer have any credence in the journalist world; both should be, and hopefully will be out of a job in the near future. Matthews is simply stupid, whereas Gregory is just plain loathsome.

Mike @ 39:

Doug @ 30:

McCain said he was "illiterate" when it comes to computers and has to rely on his wife.
I think young people can relate and would want a president who was so retro.
I can only see his numbers going up when the real election comes.

Yeah, he can explain things like shoe horns, Vitalis, the Model A, and the "old 23 skiddoo".

Not to mention kicking back and listening to 78's on the Victrola.

diamondmc @ 45:

They are talking about the youth vote going to McCrazy, and I can't understand why anybody of any age would vote for this clown.

That's as mystifying as the media talking heads saying how Obama supporters will defect to McCain if Hillary gets the nomination. It just doesn't make sense on any level.

geneHUSSEIN214 @ 4:

Kay: I think he can win if security and the war are issues in November. If they’re on the front page and people are feeling nervous, the way they did in 2000, the way they did in 2004, then I think John McCain resonates experience, gravitas, somebody who you might feel safe with in a way that Barack Obama doesn’t.

Ok, so McCain's got the bedwetter vote sewed up. Big deal.

LMAO, yes McGramps is the creepy drunklen Santa in the dept store with the uncomfortable kids sitting on his lap.

Mike @ 47:

geneHUSSEIN214 @ 44:

Mike @ 39:

Doug @ 30:

Yeah, he can explain things like shoe horns, Vitalis, the Model A, and the "old 23 skiddoo".

Not to mention kicking back and listening to 78's on the Victrola.

C'mon dude, its Ol' Victrola. Thats how they said it 80 years ago. Try not to disrespect the octagenerian presidential candidate.

Sorry, Mike - my bad!!:-)

#Jonathan , the media is not being disconnected from reality. They are fullfilling the function their owners want them to fulfill.

Corporations have been doing a slow, subtle brainwash of America's younger voters (18 to 35) for years: That age group is wooed, flattered, and is the darling of corporations. A surprising number of them buy into "capitalist" idea, and completely dis the suggestion that they are nurturing a fascist environment.

They don't know what a "pension" is. They think Social Security won't be there for them. They think a health savings account is a good idea (for that age bracket, which is mostly healthy, health insurance can be obtained for a song). They don't watch the corporate news, so they feel they're not being brainwashed.

The 18 to 35 year-olds coexist in a completely different world from the rest of us.

It is up to the dems to enlighten them. Having a military draft would have been a wise thing, in hindsight, a necessary thing. After 5 years in a hopeless, deadly occupation of Iraq, you would have seen hundreds of thousands of younger people marching in the streets, burning their draft cards.

It is unbelievable that we are having this discussion. The systematic destruction of this country has still not gotten through to 95% of the people.

Speaking of love affairs, good Lance Manion piece today on McVain:

The Maverick and Commander is one of the vainest human beings to run for President in my lifetime. One of the vainest that I have ever read about. He is pathologically obsessed with his image as the straight-shooter, the most honest man in Washington, the only one of the whole lot who is his own person and calls his own shots, the only one who speaks his mind and damns the consequences. It's all a lie and he probably knows it, but that only makes him more desperate to see himself as what he pretends to be. He is Snow White's step-mother going three or four times a day to her magic mirror to ask the same question and hear the same answer, and fortunately for him the Insider Journalists are happy to act the part of the magic mirror.

"Journalists, journalists, on my bus, who is the most straight-talkingest of all?"

"Thou, oh St John McCain, are the straight-talkingest of all! May we bring you another box of donuts?"

The Maverick and Commander loves the boys and girls on the bus as long as they are content to be nothing but his reflection. But whenever one of them starts acting like a real journalist and asks a tough question that strikes at St John's vanity, he reacts as angrily as the Queen when the answer to her question comes back, Snow White.

Most of the boys and girls on the Straight-Talk Express appear to believe when the Maverick and Commander smiles at his own reflection he is in fact smiling at them. Too many of the rest are afraid that if they ever come even close to saying the words Snow White he will smash them and grind the remaining shards to powder under his heel.

As a youth voter (Turned 18 in time to vote in VT's primary) I can tell you that most of my classmates and I despise McCain for many things, the war is just one of many issues, and that we will vote for Obama in a heartbeat over McCain in November!

xoites defends Constitution @ 53:

How does McCain attract the youth vote?

I believe he uses tinker toys and teddy bears.

same as all those other RW Xtian Regent feds, bought with (40% fraud rate according to the GAO) Federal credit cards.

six billion dollars of fraud and stolen goods (ipods, digicameras, laptops) according to the GAO from their random survey.
rather a good way to entrap and 'onmessage' the federal horde and prevent whistle blowing.

mojopo @ 59:

I blame you Baby Boomers. You and your naked Jamie Lee Curtis on AARP magazine, your Helen Mirren hotties and your rock and roll geezers. You bunch of old-people worshipping hippies. Couldn't just grow old and make room for the under 50 crowd, could you?

It's your fault, because you have to go and make all the kids think Depends and Geritol are cool. Real groovy, a-holes. Every damn one of you old pinkos - I hope you're happy.

HA

Jamie lee Curtis posed naked on the cover of AARP magazine??!! Really??!! No shit??!!! Gonna have to pick up a copy of that magazine - after I throw on a pair of depends and disonnect this geritol drip, that is. By the way, you young whippersnapper you, Helen Mirren was TEH HOT back in the day! :-)

geneHUSSEIN214 @ 62:

mojopo @ 59:

I blame you Baby Boomers. You and your naked Jamie Lee Curtis on AARP magazine, your Helen Mirren hotties and your rock and roll geezers. You bunch of old-people worshipping hippies. Couldn't just grow old and make room for the under 50 crowd, could you?

It's your fault, because you have to go and make all the kids think Depends and Geritol are cool. Real groovy, a-holes. Every damn one of you old pinkos - I hope you're happy.

HA

Jamie lee Curtis posed naked on the cover of AARP magazine??!! Really??!! No shit??!!! Gonna have to pick up a copy of that magazine - after I throw on a pair of depends and disonnect this geritol drip, that is. By the way, you young whippersnapper you, Helen Mirren was TEH HOT back in the day! :-)

I know you're all speaking tongue-in-cheek BUT...

AARP is nothing but a corporate insurance company. It is not the voice of boomers or any other group. It is a big-time INSURANCE corporation that not only does not speak for the 50+ crowd, it often advocates legislation that goes against the best interests of the 50+ crowd.

Sorry, I had to clarify that...

Matthews Thinks He Is On A Roll

Having lead the negative movement that turned Hillary Clinton's front runner status to mud, Matthews is on a "I am God" trip. However, MSNBC, CNN, Fox, ABC, and many other media right-wing networks produce suggestive polls that happen to reflect their interest.

Lets look at this closely. There are as many as 20 different polls that reflect different outcomes. I have scene MSNBC polling be, at best, terribly wrong with their polling suggestions candidates was winning by margins that did not reflect the actual end results. You will never see MSNBC march those special commentators out to say "oops we got it wrong."

This kind of claim to have the "scoop" is nothing but an attempt to influence public opinion. By making the claim young voters are flocking to John McCain, they hope to introduce a "fad" dynamic that favors McCain. Matthews, after doing this for Barack Obama, now feels he's in the make it or brake it business of producing presidents.

Polling, in general, cannot be trusted. Today, with Cnn producing one poll under CNN and then producing another under CNN/Gallup or CNN/USA, they are attempting to influence the average. So, what you get is similar polling numbers from CNN, Gallup, USA, and many others polling groups. When one cannot change the average, they mix it up to this example: Mason Dixon/NBC, NBC alone, Mason Dixon alone, NBC/McNight, McNight alone.

When these polling groups have the same interest, you end up with a situation like New Hampshire in which at least ten polls were off the mark by more then the margin of error. They got their leading average, even at the risk of reputation. The numbers are not reflective of reality. They are trying to make their own reality.

The worst of these organizations I call poll makers, as apposed to poll takers, is Zogby. Just before every primary, they come out with very low numbers for Clinton. In California, he had Obama winning by 13 points. Clinton won by 10. That was not the only poor prediction that day. He was wrong in New Jersey, New York, and Massachusetts. After Super Tuesday, he continued with off the mark polls for Ohio, Texas, and now seeks to do the same with Pennsylvania. Zogby is getting paid for real bad polls. It makes me want to get into the polling business. I can guess my why to a very nice income.

Is there any real good polls out there? Yes, I know Survey USA is consistently close in their polling. Although university polls are less accurate then Survey USA, they are honest in their attempt to polls the population.

I need not say the media is becoming a big problem. This problem has propaganda written all over it. Unless we get a counter check to this very unbalanced conservative media situation, we are headed for government alien to us all.

Joseph.

Greup @ 52:

Jonathan , the media is not being disconnected from reality. They are fullfilling the function their owners want them to fulfill.

Exactly right - & that playbook was written by Hitler & Goebbels.
It's still being used, because it works ... nearly every single time.

Repetition, distraction, omission, emotional driving, degrading discourse, dirty tricks ... the whole enchilada.
Youth are such a nice soft target, too --- impulsive, imprint-friendly, light on experience & eager to please & impress. Lies implanted in youth can survive for a lifetime.
Apathy & cynicism aren't evils to the media's owners - they're the means to victory.
Just wait until the REAL campaign begins.
You ain't seen nothing yet, folks.

Would you like to try some nice yummy Kool-Aid?

Mike, maybe so. But guess what? If you reach over and feel your elbow right now, that's exactly what old-lady nipples feel like.

I'm not happy about it either. I'm a chick. But apparently, you people are into that sort of thing.

Is that a poll of young people who read The Wall Street Journal? I'd assume that's a small sample.
Young people should joke about McCain's thinning hair and do a poll of how many he calls trollops and, uh, "rhymes with hunt"s.

ferrofluid @ 57:

Lollimom @ 54:

Corporations have been doing a slow, subtle brainwash of America's younger voters (18 to 35) for years: That age group is wooed, flattered, and is the darling of corporations. A surprising number of them buy into "capitalist" idea, and completely dis the suggestion that they are nurturing a fascist environment.

They don't know what a "pension" is. They think Social Security won't be there for them. They think a health savings account is a good idea (for that age bracket, which is mostly healthy, health insurance can be obtained for a song). They don't watch the corporate news, so they feel they're not being brainwashed.

The 18 to 35 year-olds coexist in a completely different world from the rest of us.

It is up to the dems to enlighten them. Having a military draft would have been a wise thing, in hindsight, a necessary thing. After 5 years in a hopeless, deadly occupation of Iraq, you would have seen hundreds of thousands of younger people marching in the streets, burning their draft cards.

It is unbelievable that we are having this discussion. The systematic destruction of this country has still not gotten through to 95% of the people.

very true

A few reasons why baby-boomers are dumb.

1. Medical care is free if you don't pay your bills.

2. Paying a quarter of a million dollars for a tar paper shack is a rip-off.

3. The money that you think is in your 401 K plan isn't really there.

4. Taking the BUS is cheaper than driving.

Mark @ 73:

I would not be surprised to see John McCain be up by 10-15 percentage points sometime between now & the conventions. The Presidential election has become a popularity contest, & John McCain is the most popular candidate, certainly with the MSM. That is one of the biggest advantages he has, which is why I think he will win in Novmber. The MSM just loves his policies & viewpoints, & will force it down the country's throats.

Uh, why don't we just wait and see how Johnny handles himself in debates against Obama. I'm predicting it will be like Kennedy/Nixon all over again. The MSM doesn't have nearly the influence as it's talking heads like to pretend. The MSM's power to shape opinion peaked with the run up to the Debacle in Baghdad back in '03, and it has been down hill ever since. Like I say, let's wait and see.

whalleywhat @ 72:

Is that a poll of young people who read The Wall Street Journal? I'd assume that's a small sample.
Young people should joke about McCain's thinning hair and do a poll of how many he calls trollops and, uh, "rhymes with hunt"s.

Yes, as a matter of fact, it is. They polled young people who read the Wall Street Journal - both of 'em. The margin of error for the poll is 50%

mojopo @ 70:

Mike, maybe so. But guess what? If you reach over and feel your elbow right now, that's exactly what old-lady nipples feel like.

I'm not happy about it either. I'm a chick. But apparently, you people are into that sort of thing.

mmmmmm....that's kinda hot. I love my elbow...can't quite get it in my mouth though..ouch...pain.....discomfort...must..reach..my...elbow.

Any youth that votes for McSame are just stupid and uneducated children of even dumber Reslugs.

do these old fucks ever talk to kids???

they dont give a shit about security

they care about their future

can they get a good paying job out of college....the enviroment...health care

stupid shits

Look on the bright side.

If McCain wins the election, then you know this country isn't worth fighting for anymore.

Chris Matthews and his guests really like to talk about the polls.

I wonder why none of them mentioned the poll result that was posted yesterday that showed Barack Obama losing an 11 point lead over Hillary Clinton to fall behind her by a point in just 4 days in the Gallup Daily Tracking Poll.

I've got a hunch that poll would have occupied a sizable portion of the Chris Matthews Show's airtime if Hillary Clinton had lost an 11 point advantage over Barack Obama to fall behind him in just 4 days.

But nobody mentioned it at all this time.

Is Crooks and Liars going to start a special thread on that topic?

89 BitterBaScOmBe against Bullshit Says

campaign

How was this question posed? The youth vote for McCain could be voters under 50. After all, isn't a young person anyone 20 or so years younger than you. Come November I can't imagine McCain getting the young vote. Young voters are savy. They read, watch Stewart and Colbert and surf the web. None of those traits help McCain.

deang @ 93:

US youth these days have grown up in a very right-wing environment, so that for them it's considered "weird" to be anti-war and pro-choice and pro-peace and pro-gay rights, etc; they even consider it uncool to be too knowledgeable about anything outside of pop culture. They've passively absorbed right-wing attitudes to a whole range of sociopolitical issues, yet such attitudes are so pervasive in US media that people can maintain such attitudes while thinking they're being apolitical. And they have been conditioned by TV and other "entertainment" media to love the idea of military and police violence; they love it. I've noticed myself that liberal/progressive/anti-war events attract relatively few young people, while right-wing events feature many youth. It's really revolting how deeply they've been brainwashed. In this country, parents don't raise their kids; advertising and media do. And, folks, it hasn't always been this way so it can be changed, but not in time for the election.

I'm a high school teacher, and while I agree that there are quite a few students like this, I think that many of them are getting worried. Even here in Utah (granted, I do live in Rocky Anderson's Salt Lake), the most pro-Bush state in the country, almost none of my students like Bush, and are pushing for Obama. Former students are getting involved politically. I think that there is change happening.

deang @ 93:

US youth these days have grown up in a very right-wing environment, so that for them it's considered "weird" to be anti-war and pro-choice and pro-peace and pro-gay rights, etc; . . . . They've passively absorbed right-wing attitudes to a whole range of sociopolitical issues, yet such attitudes are so pervasive in US media that people can maintain such attitudes while thinking they're being apolitical.

I don't think that's entirely correct. Today's high schoolers are far more accepting of gay people, and pro-gay rights than a generation or two ago. Sexual orientation doesn't matter to them as much as it did when I was in high school. And they're not, in general, pro-life or pro-war. Give youth and youth voters some credit. There are a very substantial number of them setting up gay-straight alliances in their schools, and who consider the prejudices of adults to be stupid.

they even consider it uncool to be too knowledgeable about anything outside of pop culture.

That's probably correct. They've never really been particularly politically active. And they are largely apathetic. But, they're youths. With youth comes feelings of invincibility, and often, the inability to plan too far into the future. We were all youths once.

And, as Howard Dean said on the campaign trail in 2004, it shouldn't come as a surprise that 18-22 year olds don't vote. We don't give them a reason to vote. We ignore them. We consider their points of view meaningless. Give them a reason to vote, and they'll start voting.

And they have been conditioned by TV and other "entertainment" media to love the idea of military and police violence; they love it. I've noticed myself that liberal/progressive/anti-war events attract relatively few young people, while right-wing events feature many youth.

Yes, well, many right-wing (especially theocratic right wing) folks know to indoctrinate early. They teach their children the value of parroting their parents without question, and will bring them along to events whose purpose they don't necessarily understand yet. On the left (and more reasonable right), you'll find parents ok with allowing children to explore for themselves, and they don't force their kids to come along.

That's a partial, and simplistic, explanation. But I don't think the picture is as glum as you're making it sound.

It's really revolting how deeply they've been brainwashed. In this country, parents don't raise their kids; advertising and media do. And, folks, it hasn't always been this way so it can be changed, but not in time for the election.

I don't disagree with that sentiment.

Lollimom @ 54:

Corporations have been doing a slow, subtle brainwash of America's younger voters (18 to 35) for years: That age group is wooed, flattered, and is the darling of corporations. A surprising number of them buy into "capitalist" idea, and completely dis the suggestion that they are nurturing a fascist environment.

They don't know what a "pension" is. They think Social Security won't be there for them. They think a health savings account is a good idea (for that age bracket, which is mostly healthy, health insurance can be obtained for a song). They don't watch the corporate news, so they feel they're not being brainwashed.

The 18 to 35 year-olds coexist in a completely different world from the rest of us.

It is up to the dems to enlighten them. Having a military draft would have been a wise thing, in hindsight, a necessary thing. After 5 years in a hopeless, deadly occupation of Iraq, you would have seen hundreds of thousands of younger people marching in the streets, burning their draft cards.

It is unbelievable that we are having this discussion. The systematic destruction of this country has still not gotten through to 95% of the people.

I agree with some of your points. However, let's stop with the bullshit that the vietnam war ended because a bunch of spoiled hippies decided to stick it to their daddies and burnt their draft cards.

VietNam ended for a bunch of reasons, the draft was not one of them.

McCain getting the youth vote? LOL. The must have polled only Getalife, Bluesage, Dennis, SM, Abob, Chris.......

The only reason McCain is interested in 18-34 year olds is to harvest their young organs.

I'm 26 and have no interest in voting for some old codger. He's not even a cool old guy like George McGovern or Bill Moyers. He's an ill-tempered, out of touch, warmonger.

Repubs in Housing Bubble Paradise (Hussein) @ 95:

bvac @ 91:

uhh, two things.

1. Young people went for Kerry by like 10 points in 2004. There's no way those same people are now going to vote for Bush on Steroids, and the 14 to 17-year-olds from that time have pretty much been indoctrinated into hating Republicans, so that shit just ain't gonna float.

2. Funny how whenever a Democrat has a commanding lead of the youth vote, which is quite often, its "no big deal," "nothing to see here," "the young people never turn out anyway." but when St. McCain has a ONE POINT ADVANTAGE in a small poll 7 months before the election, with his opponent still undecided, it's "ZOMFG HE'S BACK IN PLAY MCCAIN IS GONNA WIN!1"

anyway, this poll is fucking idiotic and so are the McCocksuckers who salivate over it trying desperately to make this a neck and neck horse race.

Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran!

Ah good point, that one must've really put him over with the kids.

I suspect that Cindy's checkbook helps his poll numbers.

If he wants to attract the youth vote, a good start might be allowing them on his lawn.