We're already enslaved. All of us.

zzzzzzzzzzzzinger!!

Mpls_Dem @ 2:

lol . . . anyone that quick and clever must be an elitist. although as jon stewart pointed out, if you don't think you're better than me, why in the fuck are you running?

good point. I'm dammed tired of having a stilted mowroon running the country Bring on an elitist, please.

Now THERE'S a guy that I'd like to have a beer (or oj) with.

Blue Lensman @ 7:

Now THERE'S a guy that I'd like to have a beer (or oj) with.

I know what you mean. Not because he is one of the good ole boys, but because he would be fun to be with. Smart as hell and with a great sense of humor, how do you beat that?

Just four more hours until the polls close. I'm somewhere between being excited and being fearful. I know it isn't over for Obama if he loses tonight but I want so bad for him to put her away in a large state, so that argument can end.

Liberal AND Proud @ 1:

We're already enslaved. All of us.

Big Time

Not the OJ!!!! God forbid!!

I believe that is what is referred to as an, "Oh, snap!"

Mr. Gibsonopolous, your rebuttal?

...All though I still say the best was when he zinged Tweety. God, I wish I could find that link.

Johnny2Bad @ 10:

pissed off patricia @ 4:

How can anyone not like Obama?

Oh, please. Jesus, I'm sick and tired of that "likability" meme. Who gives a f*ck if you "like" him (or her)?

In 2000 it was: "He's someone you could have a beer with". WTF? Haven't we had enough of that shallow stupidity?

We need someone who's: Not on the take...Can give us good universal health care...Get us out of the middle east in less than 10 years....and slow down the relentless corporate march to melted icecaps, endless war and a facist world economy.

No matter how "likable" they are...Not one of the remaining three stooges are it.

So what are you gonna do you fatalist? Cast your vote for santa? the queen fairy?

Johnny2Bad @ 10:

pissed off patricia @ 4:

How can anyone not like Obama?

Oh, please. Jesus, I'm sick and tired of that "likability" meme. Who gives a f*ck if you "like" him (or her)?

In 2000 it was: "He's someone you could have a beer with". WTF? Haven't we had enough of that shallow stupidity?

We need someone who's: Not on the take...Can give us good universal health care...Get us out of the middle east in less than 10 years....and slow down the relentless corporate march to melted icecaps, endless war and a facist world economy.

No matter how "likable" they are...Not one of the remaining three stooges are it.

So I take it you will cast your vote for someone you don't like? "Like" covers a myriad of things from their plans for our country's future, to the personality, to their determination to getting us back on the right track, and yes a sense of humor too.

There is a giant difference in saying you would like to spend casual time with a candidate you admire because of their personality and knowledge, than saying you want to shoot the shit with a wannabe cowboy frat boy and have a cold one.

So if none of the candidates suits your fancy, what is your plan on voting day?

Ahh, I can remember the good ole days when at C&L -- there was such a balance; but now it is obama apologists every where ya look. And why are the fine folk of Pennsylvania just not buying his chili??? And what of the DREAM TICKET idea --- is not kicking republican butt the whole point in November??? Do you who support him with such passion, honestly believe not letting the registered voters in Michigan and Florida -- who are democrats --VOTE -- will not be a curse on the democratic party? And just now, the North Carolina debate is off because of obama. So he refuses to debate Hillary anymore and refuses to count the votes; how is he the uniter? If the contest is fair and honest, the winner will be able to pull the party together --- but if it is not fair or deeply perceived to be not fair, we democrats are fucked. Hillary is not the enemy.

I hear they are having all kinds of problems throughout the state with the voter machines. Rawstory and Bradblog. Pretty disturbing stuff going on.

ben @ 17:

Johnny2Bad @ 10:

pissed off patricia @ 4:

How can anyone not like Obama?

Oh, please. Jesus, I'm sick and tired of that "likability" meme. Who gives a f*ck if you "like" him (or her)?

In 2000 it was: "He's someone you could have a beer with". WTF? Haven't we had enough of that shallow stupidity?

We need someone who's: Not on the take...Can give us good universal health care...Get us out of the middle east in less than 10 years....and slow down the relentless corporate march to melted icecaps, endless war and a facist world economy.

No matter how "likable" they are...Not one of the remaining three stooges are it.

So what are you gonna do you fatalist? Cast your vote for santa? the queen fairy?

I think he's going to write-in Elizabeth Kucinich and hope he gets lucky.

Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not!! @ 8:

If you nominate Obama at least we've got a chance.

What is it with this mind control?
How is it that Bush's approval rating is 28% and John McCain's is in the high 40's?? This shows that the public is just following what the media says. It is a brain-wash of huge proportions that I just don't understand. Seven years of this moron and now almost half of the people STILL want another republican president?? I just don't get it.

I'm curious why we concentrate on the "gotcha" questions of the debate and ignore the truly disturbing statement made by Barack.
When asked "How would you use previous Presidents in your administration", Barack said that he wouldn't use the current President (laughs) but then he said that he would consult George H.W. Bush because "he had a good foreign policy". That made my jaw drop so I Googled Barack and George Sr. and got some quotes from Obama speeches.
He said that he admired the foreign policies of John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. Again my jaw dropped.
Either the man was too young and politically naive in the 80's, or he really appreciates Iran/Contra and the illegal arms sales to Iran to supply the Contras and the secret Army, Navy and Air Force put together by the Reaganites and funded by secret off shore accounts fed by Right Wing billionaires all to avoid the law and invade Nicaragua. He seemed to admire the invasion of Grenada. He delighted in the first preemptive war, the invasion of Panama to oust Noriega who was propped into power by George Bush himself. We killed over 4,000 innocent Panamanians and burned the poor sections of several Panamanian cities. Perhaps the BCCI scandal and the subsequent arming of Saddam Hussein didn't really matter much to Barack. I remember when Reagan/Bush claimed it was the Iranians who gassed the Kurds to take the scent off of Saddam (at least until they were corrected by reality). He also seems to support the arming of the "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan who later became Al Queda.
Truly disturbing statements by Barack Obama go unexplored by his followers. They would rather complain about media madness rather than let the implications of his words sink in. That must be why he got away with saying he would "unilaterally invade Pakistan if he had actionable intelligence against Al Queda". That statement could have come directly from Dubya himself.

IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 23:

I hear they are having all kinds of problems throughout the state with the voter machines. Rawstory and Bradblog. Pretty disturbing stuff going on.

What a surprise! There's no way to know if the votes cast will be the votes counted in PA. Because Pennsylvania uses DRE machines, electronic machines, which don't have a paper audit trail. And the PA politicos don't see anything wrong either. It's depressing as hell.

I hope it won't make a statistical difference. Anyway, if Clinton gets one vote, she'll stay in the race, as Rachel Maddow said last night. Clinton may be running on fumes and fantasy, but she's going to try to take this to the convention. It'll be up to the super delegates to decide this and SOON!

Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not!! @ 20:

Johnny2Bad @ 10:

pissed off patricia @ 4:

How can anyone not like Obama?

Oh, please. Jesus, I'm sick and tired of that "likability" meme. Who gives a f*ck if you "like" him (or her)?

In 2000 it was: "He's someone you could have a beer with". WTF? Haven't we had enough of that shallow stupidity?

We need someone who's: Not on the take...Can give us good universal health care...Get us out of the middle east in less than 10 years....and slow down the relentless corporate march to melted icecaps, endless war and a facist world economy.

No matter how "likable" they are...Not one of the remaining three stooges are it.

J2B,

For better or worse it seems these three are what we have to chose from. Can you really blame anybody for being grateful that in Obama we have an intelligent, articulate, charming individual with some poise and grace? If we're going to go down at least we can do it with some class. Billary is a power hungry, shrill harpy and McBush is a walking talking disaster. Obama may not be "it", but he's head and shoulders above our other corporately mandated "choices."

"Poise"? "Grace"? Oh, man....We are doomed if thats the criteria. It aint Miss America. They are all walking, talking disasters. They are all power hungry. There's not a wit of policy difference between 'em.

So if "not shrill" is your cut-off....Go for it. Deluding ourselves with his "charm" or her "harpy-ness" is drinking the koolaid, my friend.

And yes...we are going down. Hard.

Enjoy.

Lisa Williamson @ 25:

ben @ 17:

Johnny2Bad @ 10:

pissed off patricia @ 4:

Oh, please. Jesus, I'm sick and tired of that "likability" meme. Who gives a f*ck if you "like" him (or her)?

In 2000 it was: "He's someone you could have a beer with". WTF? Haven't we had enough of that shallow stupidity?

We need someone who's: Not on the take...Can give us good universal health care...Get us out of the middle east in less than 10 years....and slow down the relentless corporate march to melted icecaps, endless war and a facist world economy.

No matter how "likable" they are...Not one of the remaining three stooges are it.

So what are you gonna do you fatalist? Cast your vote for santa? the queen fairy?

I think he's going to write-in Elizabeth Kucinich and hope he gets lucky.

Oh, Mommy.

vaguely amused @ 22:

I'm surprised no-one has picked up on Obama's parting shot..."But I think your paranoia might make you suitable as a debate moderator." Can you imagine how fantastic it would be to have Jon Stewart moderating a debate between Obama & McSame? Oh, what a glorious dream! I propose some action should be taken to make it happen.

w00t! It would be a refreshing change from the crap we saw on ABC.

Leslie [Bitter Elitist Hussein] @ 34:

Lisa Williamson @ 32:

douglas in oklahoma @ 21:

Ahh, I can remember the good ole days when at C&L -- there was such a balance; but now it is obama apologists every where ya look...Do you who support him with such passion, honestly believe not letting the registered voters in Michigan and Florida -- who are democrats --VOTE -- will not be a curse on the democratic party?

I thought this was common knowledge by now, but apparently, it's not. What really happened with FL and MI was:

BOTH Clinton & Obama agreed that the delegates from these states wouldn't count, because FL and MI moved their primaries up, in violation of National Democratic Party rules. Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan! The Democratic Parties of FL and MI are to blame here, not the candidates, although Clinton is a coward to go back on her promise and then try to say it's in the name of democracy.

Plus, Obama didn't campaign in Florida. While Hillary did.

Not really. Neither went into FL or bought local ads there, but they both bought national cable time that they knew would be broadcast there.

So F them both.

(Hey, I think I'm being redundant...again.)

NOPE, only obama bought national ads that aired in Florida --- not Sen Cllinton; she went in for for a rally after the polls closed. Period.

Lisa Williamson @ 32:

douglas in oklahoma @ 21:

Ahh, I can remember the good ole days when at C&L -- there was such a balance; but now it is obama apologists every where ya look...Do you who support him with such passion, honestly believe not letting the registered voters in Michigan and Florida -- who are democrats --VOTE -- will not be a curse on the democratic party?

I thought this was common knowledge by now, but apparently, it's not. What really happened with FL and MI was:

BOTH Clinton & Obama agreed that the delegates from these states wouldn't count, because FL and MI moved their primaries up, in violation of National Democratic Party rules. Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan! The Democratic Parties of FL and MI are to blame here, not the candidates, although Clinton is a coward to go back on her promise and then try to say it's in the name of democracy.

The reason the dems voted to move the time up was because the moving of the date was attached to a bill that would get rid of voting machines that did not have paper trails. The majority in Tallahassee are repubs and they placed the dems in a catch 22 position. No dem wanted to vote against getting rid of machines that did not give a paper trail so they voted for it and thereby the voting date was moved up. It was a setup by the state repubs. The reason so many people turned out to vote in the primary, even though their presidential votes wouldn't count, was because there was an amendment that would double their homestead exemption on the ballot. The majority of Floridians wanted to make sure the amendment passed. That was the incentive that brought so many people to the polls.

And what would the obama apologists be saying if he had won Florida and Michigan; would they want the votes, or a revote. How is he going to have any kind of mandate from his own party, if he does not win the big states like Ohio and Pennsylvania? Thinking he is great and inspirational and all must make ya warm and fuzzy, but half of the registered democrats do not see it so much --- they want the woman. And this last debate with ABC, showed many of us how thin-skinned the obama group is. He has had little to defend until the Rev Wright made his debute on Fox, and then mean old abc --- good grief, Hillary has been suffering slings and arrows for months, obama must have noticed -- Saturday Night Live did -- and he was sitting right beside her during many of her moments. But he has to explain his own words sometime during the election process --- but not anymore with Hillary I guess. It is just not fair for someone like obama to have to put up with that kind of thing. who is he-- babyjesus? He is just a politican -- and this is the process --- he had to have had a clue.

David Hill @ 46:

Jon Stewart asks a good question here which Obama doesnt really answer (lets face it, Stewart is a comedian and not a journalist or pundit). He asked if, now that the PA primary is over will he just fire and forget? And he uses an example like Montana where candidates only campaigned briefly for the obvious reason that there are few delegates there.

So, once again, a stand-up comic asks really good political questions that the mainstream media has deemed too unsexy to ask, being too busy to talk about perms, pantsuits, and pins.

BTW, one has to ask about the upside to the economy that would come from enslaving white people. Get off your ass and get a job, honkeys! Except me...I have a job...*cough*

Honkey, Cracker, Gringo, WASP... when are they going to come up with a descent racial slur for us White Folks? It's all so trite and un-insulting. Yawn...Yawn...Yawn...

dammit, jon stewart stole my joke.

Huge turnout at my polling place today!

The ballot took a little time to decipher, though, because all ten delegate choices
were mixed up under Obama and Clinton. Why not just put all the delegates straight under each candidate that they promised to stick with? I suspect people that didn't bring their reading glasses would have a tough time reading the fine print under each candidate.

Anyone hear about this:
DOJ to monitor Philadelphia polls

This doesn't sit well with me. What are these cronies doing monitoring our elections? I'd prefer to have the UN...even Paraguay before this administration!

Johnny2Bad, you're playing a con game, and it's pretty slick. You aim your vitriol at both Obama and Clinton, while calling Obama, Clinton and (presumably) McCain "three stooges" and claiming that none of them are "it." Based on what criteria? If it's universal health care, fighting global warming, ending the war in the Middle East, reducing the influence of corporations and their lobbyists, then the only logical choice is Obama. But to say, "F**k 'em" is to trivialize the concerns and issues at the very heart of this election.

Your statement, "Neither went into FL or bought local ads there, but they both bought national cable time that they knew would be broadcast there. So F them both," is an asinine projection of rank stupidity. Buying commercials on national cable is NOT a sign of venality any more than wearing a flag lapel pin is a sign of patriotism. Johnny, you're not only 2 bad, you're 2 stupid, 2 ignorant, and 2 simple.

As for seating the Michigan and Florida delegations, both Clinton and Obama agreed to play by the rules, so it would be contemptible of anyone to now express a desire to play by a different set of rules.

For what actually happened, read Thomas Edsell,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/07/hillary-clintons-michigan_n_953...

"Michigan and Florida violated national party rules by holding their primaries earlier in the season than party rules allowed, and, at the moment, the DNC has ruled that these two delegations will not be seated. Clinton won the primaries in both states.

Both Obama and Clinton appeared on the ballot in Florida, although each candidate abided by DNC rules and neither campaigned there.

The situation in Michigan is more problematic: Obama took his name off the ballot, while Clinton left hers on. The result was a 55 percent victory for Clinton; with 40 percent of the ballots cast for "uncommitted" and the rest for minor candidates.

So far, the Clinton campaign has attempted to cast the two-state dispute in a political/moral light, stressing the voting rights issue as well as the danger that no matter which of the candidates -- Obama or Clinton -- is the eventual nominee, if Michigan and Florida delegates are not seated, the dispute could suppress Democratic turnout and give the combined 44 electoral votes to the GOP."

Earlier you posted: “Poise”? “Grace”? Oh, man….We are doomed if thats the criteria. It aint Miss America. They are all walking, talking disasters. They are all power hungry. There’s not a wit of policy difference between ‘em.

We are not doomed if we desire that our President be poised, that is self composed and dignified, or if we want him/her to be full of grace (especially in light of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib), or possessing a sense of fitness or propriety or possessing a disposition to be generous or helpful, showing goodwill, mercy or clemency.

i've noticed that whenever Obama appears heads and shoulders above the other candidates, some jerks will speak or write disdainfully of them all, including Obama as if he's the same as them when obviously he IS NOT!

Charlieboy @ 42:

pissed off patricia @ 19:

Johnny2Bad @ 10:

pissed off patricia @ 4:

Oh, please. Jesus, I'm sick and tired of that "likability" meme. Who gives a f*ck if you "like" him (or her)?

In 2000 it was: "He's someone you could have a beer with". WTF? Haven't we had enough of that shallow stupidity?

We need someone who's: Not on the take...Can give us good universal health care...Get us out of the middle east in less than 10 years....and slow down the relentless corporate march to melted icecaps, endless war and a facist world economy.

No matter how "likable" they are...Not one of the remaining three stooges are it.

So I take it you will cast your vote for someone you don't like? "Like" covers a myriad of things from their plans for our country's future, to the personality, to their determination to getting us back on the right track, and yes a sense of humor too.

There is a giant difference in saying you would like to spend casual time with a candidate you admire because of their personality and knowledge, than saying you want to shoot the shit with a wannabe cowboy frat boy and have a cold one.

So if none of the candidates suits your fancy, what is your plan on voting day?

Many of us are going to end up voting for candidates we don't like. I only hope all the Obamania has not turned off too many of all those folks who keep on voting for Hillary Clinton no matter what the arrogant concensus opinion on this site rants on and on over what really appears to me to be a "faith based" trust in a very junior senator. I suspect your guy will win the nomination but you might think to cut slim the humble pie you have been force feeding the rest of us. To dismiss us as fools and racists is as untrue as it is insulting. And counterproductive to your candidate's future and to our republic. I will happily vote for Senator Obama but I sure don't like the koolaid driners' abusive attitude served with such abandon around here.

right on

cleo @ 56:

The voters don't count. It's all up to what the party leaders want. Don't kid yourself. No one cares about any of us. It's all about money and power.

you got it!

switchgrass @ 51:

Huge turnout at my polling place today!

The ballot took a little time to decipher, though, because all ten delegate choices
were mixed up under Obama and Clinton. Why not just put all the delegates straight under each candidate that they promised to stick with? I suspect people that didn't bring their reading glasses would have a tough time reading the fine print under each candidate.

Anyone hear about this:
DOJ to monitor Philadelphia polls

This doesn't sit well with me. What are these cronies doing monitoring our elections? I'd prefer to have the UN...even Paraguay before this administration!

Nobody trust the Department of Justice anymore. These things happen when the DOJ tortures detanees and runs concentration camps. It is like the Gestepo overseeing free and democratic elections. I wonder how many of these supposed DOJ employees are really CIA.

Tha Daily Show are infatuated with Obama. It seepes out of every sarcastic comment. But fair play - who wants a 60 year old conservative in disguise running the US? http://gentrystyle.com

John @ 54:

A moderator or one of the Limbaugh ditto head sewer rats blogging as Clinton supporters .

Okay. Stop this shit.
I hate it when people pretend they "know" Obama's mind at the moment he touched his cheek, and I hate it when people pretend they "know" another poster's mind. You don't. (If you doubt me, please some Descartes).

Goddam it, intellectual honesty is what it is. Do or do not. Not everyone's opinion will fit with the partisan's mold. I believe we should respect this fact, as it's the true meaning of diversity. And if you don't agree, it doesn't matter because you are a heretic who is damned to hell.

A sense of humour, composure, and an unlimited capacity (he looks fresh-- see Hillary's tired made-up face-- and ...snark), and brains brains brains: always thinking on his feet. What's not to like? (Good looking too ...what the hell. Why not?)

And with bu$h we get that awful "GOTCHA" sneer.

47 chuck Says: David Hill @ 46:

Honkey, Cracker, Gringo, WASP… when are they going to come up with a descent racial slur for us White Folks? It’s all so trite and un-insulting. Yawn…Yawn…Yawn…
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Hee hee.

The Italians call us "mange cake" (sp?). That's pretty good, isn't it? I mean mange---zzzzz-- cay.... zzzz snore. (At least, my Italian friends in high school called me that. "Mangee" for short.)

Obama looked genuinely pleased to be talking to one of the smartest and funniest muthaf*ckas on television today. I like him a lot, and those y'all that say it's stupid to vote for a candidate you like, y'know what, bite me, I'm fresh.

Johnny2Bad @ 10:

pissed off patricia @ 4:

How can anyone not like Obama?

Oh, please. Jesus, I'm sick and tired of that "likability" meme. Who gives a f*ck if you "like" him (or her)?

No matter how "likable" they are...Not one of the remaining three stooges are it.

Likeable is a good place to start for me. I wasn't born until the 70's. First president I remember was Carter. My parents liked him. What school child didn't hate Reagan for adding sales tax to candy which previously hadn't been counted as food. And neither Bush did I like. Clinton was likeable even if he did turn out to be a man-whore but that only served to give him a kiny side that's intriguing even if not to commended in a Commander in Chief.

And now we have McCain, H. Clinton and Obama. I respect McCain, especially his service to the country and his having been totured but I do not like him or any of his stances on the issues.. Especially after that bit about his publicly calling his wife a cunt. I'd have cut his balls off if he'd been my husband and embarrassed me like that.

H. Clinton- as first lady, cool. But since her pandering and condescending "No Ways Tired" speech spoken with imagined "black" inflection, I find it impossible to find her likeable. I cannot and do not trust white people who behave this badly. If you can act a lie, you can carry out a lie. I find Clinton to be far too willing to say anything and everything she thinks people want to hear.

Obama - He is personable, he speaks in a normal tone of voice- He respectfully and carefully disagrees when he feels he must- and he seems to be determined not to bullshit the American people. He actually knows where the bullshit begins and ends and is determined to call it for what it is. He seems the most genuine and the most concerned about us all, not just the election cycle.

In short, I like him.

So likeability is a good place to begin although it should not be the only factor.

Yea thanks for airing that show it helped Hillary win more votes. What is going on with the 2 states whose delegates didn't count? I'm worried they will vote for mc cain if they are counted out.

shelly @ 72:

Yea thanks for airing that show it helped Hillary win more votes. What is going on with the 2 states whose delegates didn't count? I'm worried they will vote for mc cain if they are counted out.

Yeah, you got nothing to worry about - nobody here is voting for McCain. I think that you're thinking the primaries and the final elections in November work some other way than the way they actually work. Stop worrying.

- A Floridian