What he's actually saying is... liberals deal in facts, conservatives deal in self-serving, aggrandizing politics. Nuff said.

Frum's mistakes are many, but the chief one is that he's a hack, and not a very smart one. He doesn't know the facts, and doesn't care, but Perlstein really, really knows his stuff, especially on this one.

See, you don't understand. Frum had already decided how the story went, and didn't have any interest in these silly "facts."

Like most conservatives, he doesn't give a shit about reality, and is only interested in his own self-centered perception of what happened.

Tom (Not Tom) @ 6:

Yet another example of why you don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

A rubber knife, no less.

Pearlstein looks like a real problem. I now understand why Dems in the House don't 'get it' if they are listening to this guy.

NOBODY I TALK TO IS IN FAVOR OF ANYTHING OTHER THAT SINGLE-PAYER, NOT-FOR-PROFIT.

Of course the folks I talk to are just the grassroots activists and citizens who show up a DFA, Drinking Liberally, Wellstone Club.....

You know the people that put Pombo down like the rabid dog he was.

Nobody important compared to Barry the Ignorant or Bill Richardson or Carville or the rest of the scum who've been gutting the party of FDR for the last 40 years.

Why is David Frum's Canadian ethnicity NOT part of a counter-argument that his ideas represent a form of foreign intervention? (The mother was Barbara Frum, a CBC Radio journalist.)

This utter, blind faith that the conservative weenies have in brutality is ridiculous. They're still children, nerdy losers fearing-but-admiring the scary, tough kid at school who fought on the playground every day. Their thought behind every political failure is roughly: "well, the mistake was that we weren't brutal enough." That's why they are constantly defending torture--it's the ultimate show of badassery. All conflicts are won by willpower, and willpower is the willingness to be brutal, and if we're willing to torture people, we're total badasses and are obviously going to win. It's magic thinking.

And its so stupid. By this logic, we should have lost the Cold War. Trust me, the Russians were brutal as hell. The Nazis? Pretty damn brutal, as were the Japanese. Really, by this logic we should have lost the Revolutionary war--the Brits were much more willing than the Americans to mistreat prisoners. Heck, the Congress prevented Washington from burning down New York as he retreated! Not very badass.

These morons are too dumb to understand how you achieve a lasting peace, and they think that winning conflicts is simply the willingness to do something your opponent won't. It's being willing to do whatever it takes. They still don't understand that winning is the ability to do what it takes. And frankly, this childishness is so self-serving. Sending others off to be sons of bitches might satisfy their emotional desire to feel safe by being a badass, but it's not the same thing as winning. Not by a longshot.

If you only watch one thing on the net this week, this should be it.

My favorite point was towards the end when, after listening to a long winded conservative rant, Perlstein said, "Could you rephrase that into a question?" OWNED!

In the words of Ben Mulroney, son of former Canadian Prime Minister Brian: "And if you think I'm a disappointment to my parents, wait until you see David Frum."

(Well, actually, Ben didn't say that, It was a comedian playing the role of Ben Mulroney.)

slippy hussein toad @ 5:

See, you don't understand. Frum had already decided how the story went, and didn't have any interest in these silly "facts."

Like most conservatives, he doesn't give a shit about reality, and is only interested in his own self-centered perception of what happened.

Frum is a wanna be. He follows in the footsteps of Smirkin Bill Kristol. He is trying so hard to get a gig on Fox or CNN but he does not quite have all the schutzpah. This pathetic geek is a Canadian and is a disgrace to our country.

RickinSF @ 8:

Thick-lipped David Frum comes in handy. I can point to him when my Canadian buddies start climbing their moral high horse.

You can try if you want, but the truth is, Frum is embarrassed by Canada, and Canada is embarrassed by Frum.

Frum is such a blind idiot that he can't see that ungracious choices generate instructive consequences. Since neo-cons only push ungracious concepts, you'd think they would see the connection. Neo-cons call these instructive consequences 'unintended' because they shirk all responsibility for their choices. When the rest of us understand that neo-cons are willfully ignorant, we may just start ignoring their lies and ungracious designs on empire. Choose for others only as one would choose for one's self. It guarantees gracious choices when honored.

Right wing law-and-order types haven't been on the wrong side of the guns since they were torys in revolutionary war days.
This reminded me of how Houston Mayor Bill White won a Kennedy Award for providing for thousands of Katrina refugees while now-disgraced weenie Tom DeLay was tying up everybodies phone lines demanding troops to surround the Astrodome. I was working in the neighborhood those days and I remember the right wingers I worked with getting all frothy about security and issueing badges to all the right people.

what is it that makes a man who wrote speeches for an inarticulate and illiterate president such an expert on anything more than wrtiting speeches? why is frumm considered , by some, to be more than what he is...a speech writer. he puts nice words on paper to convey what others tell him to convey.

Bash Frum all you like, he's in a nice comfortable office, while Perlstein sounds like he's in a freaking stairwell.

I would get a warm fuzzy feeling whenever I thought about the late Barbara Frum, who was an anchor on the CBC back int eh 80s. Now I just want to puke whenever I hear the name Frum. His sister is a dimwit too. Frum is to Wallace as the Canada is to the US.