Fareed Zakaria: McCain Would Mean Second Cold War
By SilentPatriot Monday Apr 28, 2008 8:38amThank God someone out there is scrutinizing McCain's neocon craziness.
On March 26, McCain gave a speech on foreign policy in Los Angeles that was billed as his most comprehensive statement on the subject. It contained within it the most radical idea put forward by a major candidate for the presidency in 25 years. Yet almost no one noticed.
In his speech McCain proposed that the United States expel Russia from the G8, the group of advanced industrial countries. Moscow was included in this body in the 1990s to recognize and reward it for peacefully ending the cold war on Western terms, dismantling the Soviet empire and withdrawing from large chunks of the old Russian Empire as well. McCain also proposed that the United States should expand the G8 by taking in India and Brazil—but pointedly excluded China from the councils of power.
You would think a policy-reversal of this magnitude would merit some attention. Not in McCain's Media.
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He's bang on. McClain, not of these times, this generation, is of the cold war mentality
Did anybody bother to tell McOld that the Soviet Union no longer exists; and, that the communist party is no longer in charge?
Do we need another reason not to see a McCain administration?!
I like Pie @ 3:
Shhhh, he's going to refight Reagan's pretend battles...
Cold war? Some like it hot!
We're probably looking at the pre-selected candidate here. And the one that will be leading the war on Iran, that Bush will begin before he leaves office.
So I wonder, will he keep the same war cabinet Bush used? Condi, Rumsfield, etc...?
McVain: "...expel Russia from the G8."
McVain reporter: "... hey, John, when's he next BBQ? Love those chicken wings."
McVain: "and let me say, I will never expel a reporter from one of my BBQs."
I wonder what they are going to do to reward us when the time comes?
If Rev Wright had been in his audience McCain's speech would have gotten mega attention. The sooner we can get a nominee in the democratic party, the sooner this crap that McCain says can be pointed out to voters. The media is paying him no attention as long as they can milk the Wright story.
Anyone myopic enough to support Mc100yearwar is putting their perverse party ahead of the country. Fact.
Chimp to speak shortly on "Economy"
10:30 a.m. EDT
Is Newsweek accurate in reporting that he implied that the United States has the power to unilaterally do all of these things?
If he wasn't senile I'd swear he was on crack.
If you have the stomach for it, bush is going to hold a news conference in the rose garden at 10:30 eastern time. He's going to speak about the economy....as if he has a clue.
I hope someone is keeping a collection of all the insane things McDitto is saying during his speeches and interviews. The dem nominee won't even have to create ads, just show the clips and ask the American people if McCain is who they want to try to repair our country? Once the public hears all these things, they are going to run screaming to vote for anyone else but him.
BP 1Q profit rises 63 percent on record oil prices AP - Tue Apr 29, 6:48 AM ET
Jaden @ 4:
As many as we can to filter through to the 28% that still support Bush/republicans/religious right cabal. Repeat as often as possible: NeoMcCain should not be president.
L.A. Confidential @ 10:
BP 1Q profit rises 63 percent on record oil prices AP - Tue Apr 29, 6:48 AM ET
All you have to ask McCain is,
What, are you going to do for ME Mr. McCain.
Now if every American asked that question he would not be able to give you a straight answer.
L.A. Confidential @ 15:
Let's see if the Chimp mentions 1Q Oil Company Profits.
L.A. Confidential @ 16:
McCain would probably promise you a pony or a shiny new bike.
pissed off patricia @ 18:
A little lie is about all he would offer.
"Oh I'm going to make sure you don't have to work! I mean we're the wealthiest country earth right! Let me shake your hand!"
Bush was a failure in McCain's eyes.
...At starting the rapture during his time in office.
Come on C+L reporters wake up and out a bed guys and gals and lets get on top of the Chimp scoop before he gets on top of you.
Snooze you loose isn't that old saying?
Its interesting that McCain singled out those four nations (nicknamed BRIC countries) for exclusion or inclusion into the G8. He really is biting at the hands that feed him (I.E. the United States) with his exclusions. It is well known that China owns a lot of U.S. debt and exports a very large portion of the goods that Americans are reliant upon. Russia as well is one of the largest exporters of oil to the world market and therefore a major player (just like the other three nations) on the world economic scene. The G8 can not exclude those two nations unless they are willing to exclude the United States as well.
India and Brazil are advancing at faster clips economically and are working on their own nuclear programs which McCain doesn’t seem to mind. The difference between those nations in McCain’s eyes is not just an ideological or military one. Russia and China have specifically stated that they may move away from the U.S. dollar at some point due to its depreciating value and massive U.S. debt. In fact, Russia has already started to price their oil in Russian Rubles for that very reason. This is the real threat that McCain is worried about.
Okay, I have the Pepto-Bismol close at hand so I'm gonna watch bush's speech, so you don't have to.
I have no more faith in bush's understanding of the economy than I do in McCain's. At least at one time McCain admitted he was clueless.
If televised impeachment hearings or war crimes hearings were happening right now nobody would be worrying about McCain winning in November. The Republican philosophy and Party would be in shreds.
pissed off patricia @ 24:
Both Bush and McCain know exactly what is happening don't kid yourself.
L.A. Confidential @ 10:
I don't think he could find the economy with 2 hands and a hunting dog
theWalrus @ 25:
People would be watching American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, etc, instead.
Amazing hubris. Imagine a Republican president even attempting to shove aside Russia and China. what gall to even suggest such a thing. where does he even begin to get off believing this sort of thing would happen?!?!? Ignore and marginalize Russia and China, huh!?!?! And how, McCain, would this be accomplished? explain that old man. you can't because it can't be done and wouldn't be.
Mr Zakaria is hardly a knee-jerk "liberal - leftist" . Anybody want to offer more perspective to me with that perception?
Wake up crew. Nichole? John? Wake up!!!!! Up and at em!!!!
They should hire me.
Shorter McCain foreign policy speech - Mr. Putin, build up this wall!
L.A. Confidential @ 28:
I'm not so sure about that. It's about as close to reality as you can get. Throw in a little Abramoff and hookers and you'll get a lot of people watching. I remember being glued to the screen, as a kid, during the Nixon hearings.
But it's a pipe dream, I know.
The assumption was that, in 2008, the Democrats were a shoo-in.
So McCain was to be the Bush family's sacrificial place holder until memories faded and Jeb-Boy could ascend the throne in 2012.
Of course, my party being what it is, we always make things as difficult as possible...
This time we're being helped by a pastor with a few good points and a terrible sense of timing.
Add to that the media being in awe of real real live heeeeeero - see Brian Williams, Russert and others gush over him (and Petraeus) because he served and they didn't - and you have the makings of another 50:50 vote with Scalia and the Supremes casting the tie-breakers.
"Just get over it," says Scalia the Arrogant to the peasants.
Mc Lame probably thinks Eisenhower is president and that he just beat Nixon in the primaries. Wonder what his talking points about JFK will be?
If Obama had made such a statement you can bet the wingnut media would come unglued and start their 24/7 continuous loop of misleading propaganda ala Wright. Instead---an intentional complicity of silence. With a few exceptions, the MSM today is a farce and insult to the integrity of their so called profession, which has devolved into being an advocacy group for moneyed corporate interests.
theWalrus @ 34:
Sure it would make interesting content. As far as Nixon was concerned that was the days when the Media actually did what it is supposed to be doing.
This is the old "Maverick" in action. I think the reason he likes that view of himself is that it give him latitude to spout crap that he knows nothing about. It's kind of scary because he can be so easily manipulated. The perfect neocon tool. You whisper something in his ear and suddenly it shoots out of his mouth as a discussion item. No facts needed, no understanding necessary.
John McCain:
No war too large or too small.If you have the kids we have the guns. You provide the husbands and we'll provide the widows. We'll even send your orphans to military school. Got limbs? Become a dismember! Sign up today for tomorrow it will all be over!
pissed off patricia @ 12:
But, but, but the RNC cries little shiny tears everytime someone puts McCain's own words up on YouTube.
The only way McCain can be President is if he stands behind a cloud of fog and a noise-generator during the debates so that no one in the public can see or hear him. "Vote for the vaporous cloud of Republican-ness."
Bush: "Blame, blame, blame, blame....."
breakspear @ 29:
Yeah. Let's see, Russia controls a good chunk of the world's oil, and China is making all our shit . . . and loaning us money.
What a joke.
herr dubyah is blaming the Dems for high gas prices.....go figure.
L.A. Confidential @ 37:
I was also a time when politicians actually did what they were supposed to be doing!
"Multi-millionaire farmers"? Where are these folks?
theWalrus @ 44:
Indeed
What McCain's comments may also do is to push Russia and China closer into a military/economic alliance. If that were to occur India, having strong ties to both Russia and China may just join in at some point. Imagine a full alliance with all three being economic powers, Russian technology along with a massive Chinese/Indian manufacturing base producing everything from tanks to ships. If my scenario comes to pass that cold war will be one that the United States and its allies will more than likely lose.
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Bush: "Mommy! The Dems won't play! They're BAD!"
My thoughts and condolences to you brave souls willing to suffer through a Chimp speech for the common good (us). If I could, I'd provide combat pay.
Seriously...
Mike @ 48:
Thanks for the info Mike. I'm a vet and a supporter of votevets and McCain's watered down GI bill is one of my peves.
herr dubyah has his way and the majority for nearly 8 years, yet it's always someone else's fault.
Russia is one the most dynamic and robust economies happening now.
Expel Russia from G8 so we appear taller John?
with mccain as president the complete collapse of america is assured.
which is why i think it's a great idea for him to be president.
let's be honest, this country isn't what it used to be and people who still scream that its' the greatest in the world don't have a clue as to what they're saying.
i think it could be again, but only after hitting rock bottom.
mccain = rock bottom.
"So?" - Dick Cheney, 2008.
Why worry about it - McCain's all but been elected, anyway. Hillary will screech and harpy and bully her way into the Dem nomination, then Rove and the Republicans will obliterate her in the Fall, with the help of Bill's past along with her own, and her dubious present record. Done. Deal.
In fact, I'm not sure McCain didn't make some kind of "deal" to get where he is today, with Cheney or with Satan - who, as we know, are one in the same. We're all fucked, cold war or terrorist attack, it don't matter.
President McCain - get used to it. [And "Vice-President Rice," though I don't want to go out on a limb here.]
I repeat: "So?"
Paul in SF @ 7:
After war repairations all over the globe, the U.S. might have enough left to chattel a hotdog for each Bush
...but I wouldn't count on anybody stepping up to the plate to lend anything to your failed country.
It's already been sold out to the Chinese.
Bush: "It's all Congress's Fault!"
A failed oil man telling us that we need to drill for more oil.
Bush is speaking live.
Pretending to care about the american people.
now... taking pre-aranged questions.
diverting attention.... blaming Congress for his policies.
Lied into a war, economy, banks in shambles, food shortages
i wonder what a chinese hot dog taste like.
He forgot to blame Clinton. He's losing it.
The strategic oil reserves are at 97%.
Bush" Let's buy food from local farmers". (You know, the ones they put out of business by allowing corporations to take over the farming industry.)
This man is insane and out of touch with reality.
What will it take to piss off Canada enough so that we can be invaded and conquered?
Please? Pretty please?
It's as easy to drown in the shallow end of a pool as it is the deep end.
In a complex world it's just as easy to drown in complexity for a sharp person if your not careful. It's a guarantee with these idiots in the White House.
I was trying to watch the press conference - just couldn't take it.
Stumbling, blaming, misinformation, blah blah blah
L.A. Confidential @ 54:
Agreed and we can see that just by looking at the currency exchange rates. In late 2004 the Russian Rouble was trading at or around 35,000 Roubles to 1 U.S. Dollar. Today, the exchange rate is 23.67 Roubles to 1 U.S. Dollar. For the Rouble, that is a HUGE improvement in purchasing power. That says that Russia has to be doing something right economically and it is showing.
http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=USD&to=RUB&amt=1&t=5y
Bush just used a "fancy word". DANG!
Run the numbers. Dropping the federal tax on gas at the end of the day, you won't be able to even get an extra gallon after filling up.
Oh.My.God. This is embarrassing.
Ah yes, let's go pump in ANWAR.
And that whole gax tax fix is a joke. The only people that will benefit from this are the corporations.
Mr. Sunshine????? WTF is wrong with this guy?
Wow. The guy feeding Bush statistics through his wireless mic seems to know a lot.
Boy to tghink this is the first time I heard about this McCain dumb idea.
Ron @ 69:
The nation is $20 trillion in debt, $53 trillion in worthless IOU's, all of the capital marketplaces are teetering, and the nation is bleeding red ink at the rate of $1.43 billion per day.
We have mad max inflation occurring, gas and food prices going through the roof,
complete the equation.
Are you all proud to be Americans right now?
herr dubyah just mentioned "al qaeda".....big surprise.
What a fucking asshole this guy is. Unbelievable.
Hey, we're making progress in Afghanistan! Our leader is pleased. We need to kill more radicals. Cut off her mike.
Bush - "Energy Policy needs to be comprehensive"
We need a new whistleblower book...
Confessions of a Bush US Economic Hitman
...to identify exactly what has been done to the american people
right here over the last 7 years.
L.A. Confidential @ 13:
Warpig will probably say this is good for the economy.
And of course Zakaria must be right, because he's never posited anything but right. Very few in the media are worth taking seriously, whether they talk about Republicans or Democrats. That's the problem with left blogs. I'm finding out that if some stupid ignoramus says something we agree with, then we quote him/her as if it's a gospel. Enough.
Bush: "Fear, fear, fear, fear..kill...kill..kill..kill.."
YourMom @ 75:
Always proud to be American, not always proud of what my country does in my name, however.
Bush: The Laughing President.
Oh, he thinks he's such a funny guy doesn't he?
L.A. Confidential @ 10:
Yeah, that oughta be good... will he be the blithering idiot he always is? That's my guess!
I hear a siren in the background...are they coming to take Bush away?
theWalrus @ 87:
We wish.
Yikes...what a blithering IDIOT!
Iran!
I can't watch the presser here - has Bush tap-danced yet?
Who the F just asked that question about Congress blocking everything Bush wants...???
L.A. Confidential @ 74:
The equation can take many twists and turns down the road but inevitably the Government, through the Federal Reserve will have to monetize that debt themselves. In other words, "print" the money to cover those liabilities. This will lead to higher and higher price inflation which will then drive the dollar's value to close to nothing. When that happens, hyperinflation sets in (I.E. prices rise about 400% and beyond). We have seen this same thing happen in many nations throughout history.
theWalrus @ 64:
Insightful and well said... Bu$h has always been this way. The puppetmasters are the ones we need to take down. And we need to do it fast!
They are letting the American people done????? He's out of his mind. HE'S the one that has let us down with all of his lieing and his rubber stamp congress.
Man, I really hate this condescending asshole.
He thinks congress is letting us down? Can he remember how bad he has let us down?
Joe O. @ 93:
In other words stealing peoples life savings, pensions, property, anything else that isn't nailed down.
Quite a system.
Ron @ 96:
NO! Nothing is his fault - don't you know that yet???
Yuck it up, assholes, it's all a big fucking joke!
Dr. Acula @ 98:
YES I DO KNOW THAT!
Economies breaking down, spiraling fuel and food costs, bank problems, food riots, protectionism and trade war (mostly over rice for now)
Hell, we have all the ingredients for World War III.
This clown with a magic wand???? Now that's a scarey thought.
Dr. Biitter Hussein Matt @ 43: