Ron Paul supporters force Nevada GOP to shut down convention
By SilentPatriot Monday Apr 28, 2008 12:00pm
Who says Ron Paul is out of the race?
AP via TPM: (h/t Scarce)
Outmaneuvered by raucous Ron Paul supporters, Nevada Republican Party leaders abruptly shut down their state convention and now must resume the event to complete a list of 31 delegates to the GOP national convention.
Outnumbered supporters of expected Republican presidential nominee John McCain faced off Saturday against well-organized Paul supporters. A large share of the more than 1,300 state convention delegates enabled Paul supporters to get a rule change positioning them for more national convention delegate slots than expected.
"I've seen factions walk out. I've never seen a party walk out," said Jeff Greenspan, regional coordinator for the Paul campaign.
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Where is Drugbaugh and his, "reich-wingers never riot", rant?
L.O.L.
O.T. ... but bery interesting.
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In other words, Fix his screw-ups for him.
Now That's Entertainment!
So, the Potemkin Village Repugs got pwned by the very people (peasants?) they sought to exclude? LMAO! Serves them right!
Paul must have showed up at the convention with some black folk...and some Mexicans. Aaahahahahahahaha!!
Shiva H Vishnu @ 3:
Historically, Democrats always have to fix the damages left by the reich-wing GOPigs.
Delicious!
Any chance Paul would run as an Independent or Libertarian? The chasm between Paul and McCain is probably wider than that between McCain and Obama or Clinton.
Gotta love it.
Shiva H Vishnu @ 3:
LOL Sounds like shrub: "Quick! Do something to make me look good !! I want to go out with a 'bang'!"
We'd like you to go out with a bang too shrub but no one will let us fire you out of a cannon.
We should get him one of those ugly plastic novelty trophies, glue some little flag pins to it and hand it to him. Here you go shrub. You are officially the world's WORST human being.
I bet he'd think it was a compliment.
Sweet! Nice to see the other party have a little dust up for a change.
i like a lot of ron paul's message!!
obama/paul 2008
ow, that stangs!
the ron paul and the huckabee factor (as seen in the PA GOP primary) are rarely covered by the corporate news (surprise, surprise). this is a serious schism over the future of the GOP, and the MSM spends more time talking about rev wright... who, in case you couldn't tell, is NOT running for president.
It's a shame these guys don't know more about Ron Paul's actual libertarian agenda. What kind of society would we have if he could have his way? Not what you'd think. I did a 2+ hour interview with one of his most ardent supporters and we talked at length about his agenda. It's worth a listen. You can also hear the podcast on iTunes (look for the title on Libertarianism).
screw you guyz...I'm goin' home
I wonder just how long it will take for the Paul supporters to find figure out that Paul has no chance of winning. This seems to be a fact that they don't want to accept. While he may be interesting to some, he just doesn't have enough support overall. The Republican nomination is over, it will be McCain.
These people seem to think that if they screech loud enough, perhaps reality will change. Despite the incredible efforts of his supporters in making tacky, hand-made signs along the road, putting stickers on every large road sign and crying foul, the guy still has no chance.
And they say the Dems are imploding over Obama and Clinton?
FWIW, I live in CT-05, which has lots of (affluent) Republicans but which also in 2006 threw out Repub Nancy Johnson and elected Dem Chris Murphy to the House (excellent choice, IMO).
There are LOTS of Ron Paul supporters in this neck of the woods, which is very anti-war.
So that's where they all are! I was wondering, since no other state seemed to be able to find more than a handful of Paul supporters.
And a RIOT, no less! Not trying to steal other commenters' thunder(ses), but -- I thought Republicans Don't Riot!
'Sup, bitches??
There isn't a peep of this on CNN that I could see. Oh but there IS an article by a wh reporter that talks about how "exciting" and "fun" it is to cover the president oh and how hard it is not to gain weight. Oy.
marko @ 13:
That is hysterically funny. I'll be Ron would Loooooooooove that.
marko @ 13:
Hahahah! You're out of your fricking mind! Obama is running an ad right now on TV in Kentucky telling us he's going to impose a windfall profits tax on the oil companies and start an alternative energy program. What would Ron Paul do?
Not one damn thing! Let the freeeeeeeeeeeeeee market figure it out (while millions of people die, of course).
Exchange one nut for another, that's the repug way.
This is some strange repug shit.
Is anyone surprised by this? If an election isn't going the way it's supposed to, you shut it down. It's the Republican way.
Ron Paul is my favorite presidential candidate, and after him was Bill Richardson and then Barack Obama (and then all the rest). Well, Dodd and Biden were up there too.
What people don't understand about Ron Paul is that his positions are mapped out to such detail that it's not hard at all to keep the movement going even without him being on the news on the time. Whether you agree with him or not, a "Ron Paul Republican" is a label that stands behind a certain philosophy of government, regardless of the party in power or the peer pressure put on to conform to whatever the definition of right wing is at the time. That's why he was able to oppose Iraq before it happened, and he was right.
As an Obama supporter, the GOP needs to get a real beating this time around, and as a Ron Paul supporter, same thing. A GOP victory this time with McCain at the helm would validate what they've been preaching for the past eight years. A big defeat and they'll be forced to spend the next four or eight years thinking over their mistakes, and about what small government actually means (hint: small governments don't start wars in Iraq). That's why we're all in the same boat here.
ashton @ 17:
Perhaps you miss the point. Most Paul supporters freely admit (barring an act of God/ freak accident etc) that Paul won't win the presidency.
What they can do is expose the rigged game of elections, wake people up to the realities of the Federal Reserve, expose the blatant bias of the corporate media etc, etc.
And as this latest incident illustrates, they're doing quite a decent job of it.
ashton @ 17:
Hey - we're one heart attack away from the nominee being Paul! Now THAT would have the GOP scrambling to change the rules!
On the Clock @ 9:
He said no way - don't have the link
right on 27 frank !!!
Kucinich/Paul 08
marko @ 13:
Bite your tongue man!
marko @ 13:
No thanks...ron paul is a REPUBLICAN....Enough said.
Big John @ 29:
Get real!
Ron Paul is the only thing funny about the Republican Party.
He's got a blimp, man!
I think the Paul supporters know that Ron Paul will not be President. What I think these supporters are doing is pushing back against what was once seen as a Republican party in lock step. They, along with many other Republicans and Independents are very disgruntled right now. What this incident indicates to me is that the "all of one mind" Republican party is no more and that those who want the status quo to remain are going to find it very difficult to keep that party together.
I love this old guy. I love Hillary. If he has a chance to run. I'll drop her in a heart beat!
the ron paul's folks are like energizer bunnies. They keep on going going going going.Very funny though.
That's hilarious.
I've jumped ship from Ron Paul to support Obama but I salute their efforts.
Repugs have painted themselves into such a tight corner, that now even REPUBLICANS hate Republicans !
They ARE right, there IS a God !
I also think that it's sad that Democrats hate on Ron Paul so much. He stands up for a lot of things that a lot of Democrats won't stand up for.
He is an ally on many many issues, and hating on him makes you a partisan fool just as bad as Bill O'riley or Rush.
Think about it.
Vote for Paul? Only my choice was between him and McSame and I wasn't allowed to vote Green or vote a write-in. Basically, never. He's a republic[sic] and therefore a scorpion and I am not drowning because I was stupid enough to get stung while giving him a piggyback ride across the creek. Sorry! He's a sweet old fart in a Webster kind of way and he's right on Iraq and our Constitutional rights, but that isn't enough.
Joe O. @ 34:
AGREE! Obama stands for real Democratic values but you don't see democrats fighting nearly as hard to take back their party.
I admire them.
Support for Ron Paul is no mystery.
He opposes the war and wants an IMMEDIATE withdrawl.
No other candidate is even in that ballpark.
insect @ 39:
Know a man by the company he keeps. Just sayin'. Hard to vote for him considering with whom he breaks bread.
Dr. Acula @ 32:
'Real'ly enough, both men have expressed their openness to the idea.
Being two of the only candidates not owned by special interests or in the pocket of the Brzezinskis and Rockefellers of the World it's not that surprising.
Are you really happy with more of the same?
This proves how wacky paul supports are. With 1% (maybe less) of the repug cabal supporting paul he's surely going to win. Dream on.
repugs don't have the numbers, the race isn't close. I don't know what the hubbub is about. mcjetty doesn't have a snowball's chance.
Logic is foreign to repugs
Operation Chaos in your face, Rush!
At least there is some dissent within the Republican Party. Those who aren't willing to goose step along with the Neocons.
ashton @ 17:
yeah right, why let messy democracy get in the way of shoving McLame down the GOP's throats. Even the rancid GOP deserves to have a vote in who they want to represent them, don't they?
Maybe that isn't what you meant, Ashton. But it sure sounds like you are arguing for less democracy not more. Hasn't less democracy gotten us into a huge pile of shit? Maybe we should let the people have a voice, whether they win or not?
ps Why so dismissive of "screeching"? History has proven that people who do "screech loud enough" often change reality. Screeching, in fact, is often a prerequisite for changing things. Long live the screech!
#39.
umm, Bingo.
Pile @ 15:
I heard enough from masta paul.
Ron Paul's message is powerful for he speaks truth to power. He does what he feels is right and his record prooves it. He voted against this war. He voted against the patriot act. That is more than I can say about the rest of the candidates. I support Obama as I feel he is the front runner I agree with most. I agree with Ron Paul on almost everything. He has a message of freedom. Respect for the Bill of Rights. Most would trash it. Oh I forgot, they already have. If we have no rights left the rest is unimportant.
Obama/Paul 08 ticket would strengthen Obama's white male support and bring many conservative votes to the party. Win, Win situation.
The GOP is hopelessly divided. They cannot win this election.
Geez....some of you liberals who "heart" Paul obviously don't have a clue what he stands for OTHER THAN GETTING OUT OF IRAQ. This guy is to the far RIGHT of Republicans on most issues, basically doing away with almost all forms of government regulations that actually help people and/or keep an eye on corporations. Privitize everything! The "free" (laughable term) market is the answer to all questions!
Puh-LEEZ!!! Yes, it's refreshing to have a Republican rock the neocon boat and call them out. But to suggest he is some sort of populist progressive is to ignore 95% of his wacko views.
Do some research, fer cryin' out loud!
Woo(effin)Hoo!!!! Ron Paul supporters rock!!! Keep kickin the butts of those McSame, McVain supporting fools...
insect @ 39:
He also stands against many, many Democratic issues.
Think about it.
marko @ 13:
The establishment is trying to control the message on both sides of the political fence. The country is in an uproar, but the MSM is in the hip pocket of corporate elites, so they try to marginalize the silent MAJORITY on both sides.
This country is headed for an upheaval, and I can hardly wait.
Matt Hussein in Texas @ 53:
+1 with a vengeance!
I've read up on this and I would think the head line is a little incorrect. I think it was more like "Corrupt GOP shutdown convention to prevent Ron Paul supporters from having their way".
paul doesn't believe in government but he will play a politician.
All aboard. First stop, Wackyville.
It would also show Barracks willingness to work across party lines for the good of the nation. Paul would make a great Secretary of the Treasury. He knows the financial machine inside out and he understands the tragedy that is looming because of manipulation of world bankers for thier own self interests. He has stated we are becoming a fascist state right to their (Fascist') faces.
ben @ 31:
TBH thats what i think is wrong with americans, politics has become like supporting a football team, .... take a lot of right wingers, they don't like McCain yet tehy're going to vote for him just so it's there team that wins.
Joe O. @ 34:
Ron Paul gained most of his support from issues like the war and gitmo. I have to say the idea that smaller government and less regulations leads to more Enrons and Sub Prime disasters. It is easily seen that the three remaining legit candidates are not going to make big changes (big changes we need desperately). I think Kucinich was the man but I was happy to see support given to Ron Paul because it showed that people recognized the fact that he was different and thirsted for it. After this little riot I have to quote Michelle Obama and say that I am proud of America for the first time.
I mean at least Pauls supporters aren't saying,
"Please don't be mean to me. Please let me win sometimes!"
Shiva H Vishnu @ 3:
That would be easy to solve! Congress shall pass a new Bill to allow George Bush to leave office! problem solve!
So do many "democrats".
Harry Reid usually supports legislation that is pro-life.
Pelosi took impeachment and standing against the war off the table.
SO grow a fucking brain and stop being so sanctimonious. An intelligent person picks their battles and recognizes an ally when they see one.
He is one of the few people who will vote to protect our rights, stop the war, and cut back on big business.
Think about it.
Every single problem this country is currently facing stems either dierectly or indirectly from The GWOT and specifically the war in Iraq.
Our battered economy..
Record oil prices ...
Our Defecit ...
Torture ....
Corruption ...
Illegal wiretapping ...
Our World Standing ..
etc, etc, etc .
Ron Paul is certainly not someone that liberals would normally turn to at any time, but we are in unusual and unprecedented times. A stiff kick in the nuts from someone as radical as Paul may be the only way out of this mess.
Lets end the war ASAP, then we can get back to the business of running America.
Paul's big here in Idaho too. They got close to something like this within the party, but the mainstream GOPers were able to shut them down. Too bad.
The fact that this many Republicans like Ron Paul and his anti imperialist war message gives me hope that not everyone in that party is totally daft.
insect @ 39:
He may be an ally on some issues, but on really big issues, he's a mortal enemy.
And if he has so many things in common with Dems, why is he part of the filthy republic party? Just answer that one question with convincing arguments. The republic party is made up of:
traitors
treasonous high-ranking officials
war mongers
fascism supporters
corporate welfare supporters
military cowards
election thieves
killers of Iraqi citizens
corporate media propaganda tools
...and the list goes on and on. RP obviously believes he has more in common with the republic party than the Democratic party.
I love to see the filthy republic party in turmoil. That's the only purpose RP supporters perform, as I see it.
I'm no Raul Paul supporter, but it's not to say SOME of his anti war message resonated with me. But here's what I don't get: if he has such a strong and vocal support as we just saw in this entry, why is McSame the Rep nom? I honestly feel that there is a disconnect and I don't see the same passion coming from McSame supporters. John is seems to be BEGGING to be supported, so I don't get it.
Mark @ 58:
You're right, they saw the Paulites were going to win the vote for delegate selection, so they shut it down. here's a first hand account:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/47172
tHeHusseinGaMeOfLiFe @ 59:
Is that the capital of Assmonkeydom?
Is that east or west of Crackpottsylvania?
ashton @ 17:
I'm a Paul supporter, and know that he has no chance of winning. However, if everyone just rolled over and died everytime an impossible odd was put before them then surely that would be encouraging to the likes of McCain. McCain and those like him exist because we simply accept their bullshit, and think theres nothing we can do about it. I know McCains already the republican nominee, but if Ron Paul can do anything to make John McCains nomination more difficult, then ill support it till the end. You can't blame people for wanting their party back.
Whew...that was unexpected, to say the least!! And it could potentially make things very interesting indeed...I for one might not mind seeing Paul draw some support away from McCain, especially not in light of the disturbing potential for a serious fracture within the Democratic Party after the convention which would virtually guarantee a victory for McCain.
I Am A Banana @ 69:
Because virtually all of the Ron Paul supporters are located in Nevada, as we've seen. It's true that what happens in Vegas tends to stay in Vegas.
Also, I think most of Paul's base is the radical survivalist/racist kind. It's hard to get them to admit it, but not hard to find corroboration. His donors, for example.
Pile @ 15:
What kind of society would we have if McCain got elected? Not much better as we've found out from the Bush years. Of the two I'd happily take Paul over McCain.
andy @ 61:
On Larry King dingbat laura said she was for the repugs, but didn't say mcouch's name. What meathead.
traitors
treasonous high-ranking officials
war mongers
fascism supporters
corporate welfare supporters
military cowards
election thieves
killers of Iraqi citizens
corporate media propaganda tools
These are not the policies of consevatives, they are the policies of NEO-conservatives aka the 'New GOP'.
I Am A Banana @ 69:
My spoon is too big!
insect @ 65:
ally... for who? not me. corporations, sure, despite paul's best intentions.
so, you are:
wrong, right, and wrong.
Wrong:
he will not protect our rights. how would he? he would dismantle any and all agencies that shield us from corporate greed.
Right:
he would stop military imperialism... if he could. i support him in this effort, but aligned against the military-industrial-entertainment-corporate complex he would have a tough time. still, though, commendable. so maybe instead of 'right' i should say 'doubtful'
Wrong:
he would NOT cut back on big business. again, how could he? if he destroys the agencies that actually have the power to protect us (although they have not due to corporate infestation of said industries) who, then, is going to cut back on big business. they certainly aren’t going to do it voluntarily.
you are a bit confused, and maybe caught up in the hype. but, consider the reasons a lot of corporate regulations came into existence in the first place: they were needed to protect the people. you get rid of the agencies and regulations and you have screwed the people.
i think you heart is in the right place, i just don't think you have thought this thru....
I believe I speak for all of us when I say, A HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Who's tearing apart their own party now!?
L.A. Confidential @ 63:
Are you talking about hillary?
slippy h. toad @ 74:
Wait until the Montana convention. McCain's support is lukewarm to say the least.
Paul-heads are almost as bad as ditto-heads because neither of them understand the real issues. Sure, getting out of Iraq is good, good for Paul for saying it... but Gold standard? Return to the 'free' market and an end to government regulation? Excuse me? Not only that, but he's a conspiracy fear monger to boot.
Paul supporters need to do some checking on his ideas... and not on other Paul-fan propagandist websites. What a stooge.
http://ronpaulgraphs.com/donors.html
This where Paul has his strongest support, I believe that the same map gets generated when you look at where UFO sightings are more prevalent.
Chico Hussein @ 77:
Stop clouding the argument!
Those ARE the republic party; those ARE what the current, existing republic party embrace. RP embraces THAT republic party of which I speak.
Why do you duck the reality of this?
Chico Hussein @ 77:
repugs have corrupted the government and the military. Everything is tainted.
ALThomas @ 83:
There are a lot of wing nuts in the Paul camp and a lot of intelligent thoughtful people also.
You have to look at Ron Paul and realize there are areas where we absolutely agree with him (Iraq, constitutional rights, no nation-building). Those on the right who support him hate the war every bit as much as Dems do.
There are bridges that can be built here. Or, are we too proud for that kind of behavior?
Part of a total victory here is converting some of these people on the right. If they met you half way, pissing all over them won't exactly win them over.
horrible thought but: McCain/Clinton vs Obama/Paul ?
The commercial media was able to stamp out the campaigns of Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards, but they are having a hell of a time killing the Ron Paul movement. I really appreciate his views on some things, disagree with him on most things, but you have to give the guy credit for his integrity. Deep down, most Republicans know their candidates are all a bunch of crooks and sellouts. I think that's why his supporters are so dedicated. The political landscape would be worse off without him.
Metroplexual @ 84:
Ron Paul has lead all other candidates in fundraising among active servicemen. Not suprising, considering how little value the neocons place on their lives.
Jay @ 89:
What a thought. Obama/Paul would CRUSH McCain/Clinton. And Paul's wacky crap would be marginalized (unless Obama died; OK forget the whole idea!)
Was it Bill Maher who said that Libertarians are Republicans who want to smoke weed?
Ron Paul let's a Republican get over the guilt of supporting the war and still feel good about being a Republican. Plus he'd never get the votes in Congress to implement his wacky laissez-faire eat the poor economic plans.
Regardless, I still like him much more than the guy whose name sounds like McVeigh (think we'll get any media misspeaking his name?).
GuyCybershy @ 91:
To the neocons, the rest of us are just servicemen-in-waiting.
Of course the right wing is pro life...keep those soldiers coming!
Matt Hussein in Texas @ 92:
No need to worry. Ron Paul would be shot or "disappeared" long before his ideas were able to be put into action. I really don't think the financial sector and the Fed Reserve would allow their cash crop of fake dollars to be taken away from them.
After those pamphlets hit the net, I can't see how anyone could vote for Ron Paul in good faith.
If Hillary wins the nomination for the Democrats, how many of you would vote for Ron Paul?
The Dems and Ron Paul agree on some of the fundamentals of American society as well as getting out of Iraq, and the Patriot Act. Most of them are things we should expect from all the candidates. But, Ron Paul supporters are missing the fact that there are significant differences on everything else. How Ron Paul would manage the economy, social programs, law and order, etc would be in stark contrast to how the Democrats would do it. Sure, the Dems and Ron Paul would probably agree on corporate subsidies but they would also disagree on just about everything else. In terms of economics and social programs Ron Paul is a super republican. To support the values of Ron Paul a Democrat has to forget what his beliefs are.
Democracy is the Gateway to Socialism.
(case in point - government healthcare, welfare, subsidies, managed trade etc.)
A Republic is Self Ownership.
(no taxes, freedom, privacy rights, free trade and the Constitution)
Do some research and pick a side dip shits.
estanislao @ 99:
I think you made a booboo,
Ahh hahaha I know it was a slip but you actually put freedom, privacy rights, free trade and the Constitution on the Republican side.
To be a Liberal is to embrace Liberty!
A Republic only takes one of two forms: as an indirect form of democracy, where officials are voted for by the public to votes on the issues for us by proxy (like in business/share-holder meetings),
Or a dictatorship like the elite citizens of Rome.
Which do you want?
insect @ 65:
You're the one covered in sanctimonious, you little Paultard loser. An intelligent person wouldn't even support Ron Paul in the first place. Paultards = Dittoheads.
Think about it.
paranoia @ 100:
I saw that too, and immediately thought of boosh's constitution as gd piece of paper, but he commenter said republic, which in my response I took as a form of governance.
Reslugs are bedwetting, cry babies.
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 103:
You're the one covered in sanctimonious, you little Paultard loser. An intelligent person wouldn't even support Ron Paul in the first place. Paultards = Dittoheads.
Think about it.
*sanctimony*
The funny thing was how one reichwinger I knew was snickering about the messiness of the democratic party race.
The majority of Paultards are reich-wingers who realize the war is an utter failure, but they are too myopic and weak to leave the GOPigs.
106 Dr. Hussein Matt
Is sanctimony the donations that are put in church plates?
ysbaddaden @ 107:
While Hilary and Obama are tearing each other up, someone at least is making things difficult for McCain. T
paranoia @ 97:
I'll vote for Hillary. Don't like her, but I like McCain less.
AndrewK @ 98:
To support the values of Ron Paul a Democrat has to forget what his beliefs are.
Yes, because all Dems must have the exact same values. I'm personally not a Ron Paul supporter but talk like this pisses me off. It's why we have the exciting choice between two middle-of-the-road moderates for president as opposed to a true progressive for the presidency - because the vocal majority of the left is afraid of a little bickering. Maybe if we allowed varying voices we'd have two candidates bickering over the environment, helping he poor and ending the war instead of "he said/she said" garbage.
At least Republicans (not the party but the people) embrace their far-right radicals like Huckabee and Paul. Democrats are afraid of people like Kucinich. Oh no, he saw a UFO! He wants a Department of Peace! He's unelectable!
REAL "change" is actually possible if more Democrats would encourage diversity in the party. Even though he's a Republican some Democrats like what Ron Paul says, maybe they don't like being extorted by the Fed and having the blood of hundreds of thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan on their hands? The guy is a better hope of getting out of Iraq than either Obama or Hillary who don't seem to have any real intention of getting out of Iraq.
*my previous comment wasn't meant to blast all dems as it sort of sounds, just ones who are afraid of independents and radicals.
AndrewK @ 98:
It is the Democratic party establishment that has forgotten what its values are. Hilary is just as loathsome as McCain.
AndrewK @ 98:
The problem with Democrats is that they believe the economy can be managed.
I caught that right after I send it! Still I think we have more of a corporacracy, or Corporate Fascism. I can't believe at one time Nike wanted to have the right to fire employees for congregating together after work. Nike, inc got bitch slap and they been kind of acting a little backpedaling for the liberal side.
Another marketing professional have notice that all the Bush framed Picture are coming down from the Corporation walls and putting of JFK picture back on the wall.
It was getting bad for business to even have a picture of a Republican president on a wall.
As much as I didn't like Ronald Reagan, I never seen anyone hated a Republican for voting him in. The key is that he was voted in, and the left wing suck it up. SCOTUS appoints the president, and all respect disappear. A honest man would never have accepted the appointment, and waited for the recount.
This issue is how the media unfairly try to pick our votes. No different from being appointed by SCOTUS. Whatever kind of Govt we have is at most an illusion. I would consider Ron Paul as wacky he is, at least he seem to try to restore the process of fair election. I would consider a reset button pusher for the constitution to become president.
Sorry but i don't see the humor. This is the most democratic thing that has happened in this country in some time. Like him or not, Ron Paul talks about a strict ahderence to the constitution. Oh and he walks the walk, just look at his voting record. Maybe it's just me, but I think the founders were pretty brilliant and they sacrificed a lot to give us the liberties that we now take for granted. I just don't see what's so goddamn funy about following the constitution.
I'm a card carrying member of the ACLU and I'm voting for Ron Paul.
Lollimom @ 68:
Ron Paul and his like may be the only remnants of the real Republicans (small government anyone??). The current suckers who wear the Repuke badge are neo cons and right wing zealots.
Mark N. @ 115:
It can be regulated to a point where people aren't screwed out of their homes, retirement, forced into bankrupcy from health costs and "educated" like test rats.
Good for them!!!
I always knew that Ron Paul had a large following in Nevada but this is bigger than I thought.
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!
Mark N. @ 115:
Dude, every economy from the beginning of money has been managed to some extent or another...the 'free' marked is just another fiction.
Samson- @ 14:
Yep. You have a three way split between the usual neocon corporate sycophants (McCain), the theocrats (Huckabee), and the paleocons (Paul). The fact that Huckabee came within reach of winning the nomination, and that Paul even got delegates, while raking in donations at a record pace, has the RNC scared shitless. This is bigger than Perot's small fracture of the GOP in 1992.
ben @ 31:
He also ran a White Supremacy News Letter back in the John Birch days, which might clash with Obama. For every good idea RP has he has another 10 that are batshit crazy
Blue Taliban Osama Buddha @ 124:
Quite right, and as the economy continues to worsen, Pauls support will only increase. He may even get a chance to speak at the Republican convention which would be a nightmare for McCain
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 106:
*sanctimony*
You really raise the level of discourse here, Einstein. Why do I hear a 12 year old talking when I read your posts?
ashton @ 17:
As a Ron Paul denier, you totally miss the point, as usual. This is evidence of a grass roots movement trying to take over the policy direction of the Neocon war party which is what makes it all the more remarkable. If Democrats call for the end to the war they are labelled soft lefties so the message has no punch, but when the Republican party members call for the end of the war, that shakes the very foundation and justification for the war at the core of the system. This is very important at a time when the elevation of General Betrayus indicates war with Iran is more likely. Without the Paul perspective, you can bet the Repugs would be screaming for war right now, and likely would have launched one. It's the best was to get McCain -- who most conservatives hate -- elected.
And don't kid yourself, the Democrats are as for the war and the police state as anyone, many Dems politicians are profiting handsomely from the new order, but in order to keep the illusions and the false choice system in place, the Repugs have to be seen as pushing the war from the right wing. But the whole political stucture is all one warmaking machine and the newest enemy -- or perhaps the target all along -- is the average person who might disagree with the government as evidenced by the overwhelming passage of the Homegrown Terrorist Act. Almost every Democratic Congressman voted for it, by the way, which makes force of argument or moral persuation a crime against the state.
Ron Paul will not win -- the cards were seriously stacked against him being an honest man like Dennis Kusinich -- but he injected some honest and serious perspectives into an otherwise almost surreal primary, and he still has over $4 million to promote issues and an obviously politically savvy group of supporters who are working for more than just the elevation of a single candidate. This is about more than our boy or girl winning, its about saving the country and restoring sanity back into the electoral system.
And Dr. Paul spoke so many truths during his campaign -- for example, the war in Iraq is destroying and bankrupting America and violated both the constitution and traditional Republican values; the Federal Reserve -- an illegal private bank -- is stealing the wealth of Americans; and unless the constitution is restored, America will be overrun by facism -- that he significantly rattled the other presidential pretenders. And as evidenced by a variety of conventions throughout America, his voice and those of his followers may still effect this election yet.
And believe it or not, that's in your interests too.
This makes sense to me. I was having a hard time believing his numbers in the California primary because there were SO many Ron Paul signs and bumper stickers and banners ALL over the place. Election fraud is the norm nowadays, and people who watch more tv than they do the world around them don't seem to be able to tell. * has not been elected president even once and yet he's been in the White House ruining the world for over seven years now.
Go Paul!! Kick those Neo-cons' asses!!
Left&Left @ 6:
OK, I actually did laugh out loud when I read this.
David @ 128:
David @ 128:
Here here!
Bonkers Hussein @ 43:
So by this logic, I suppose you approve of the constant Rev. Wright/Obama coverage?
slippy h. toad @ 74:
You "think" that most of Paul's base is the survivalist/racist kind. Care to back that up with facts?
konchster @ 125:
He did? Really? Thats funny, here in reality, this was proven to be a factless smear, but I guess that's ok. Partisans like yourself tend to stay far away from reality.
Benny @ 127:
You really raise the level of discourse here, Einstein. Why do I hear a 12 year old talking when I read your posts?
I assume you are addressing insect as well, since he already brought the conversation down a notch by telling people to "grow a fucking brain". GREAT way to win people over. Perhaps Dr Matt didn't feel the need to mollycoddle someone who comes after these posters with such a nasty little streak. But then again, you dove in with a little name-calling as well, so am I wasting my "breath"?
Way to go Ron Paul supporters. We need you now more than ever. Since Mitt Romney dropped out of the race, no one has filled his shoes in the service of what he did for the Republican nomination process. You guys probably won't be able to do much, but give it everything you got.
CD @ 121:
It's not just in Nevada: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iW5kOB1pmg
BannedConsumer @ 134:
If it had ended at one or two news cycles? Sure. It was a story for a minute, then Obama addressed it and it should have been over. The way they have dragged it out is boring, screechy and bordering on being just a prolonged attack on Obama. And Wright is one man: I am talking about Paul's sharing a party affiliation with entire group of people I simply don't trust at the moment. And in case you missed it, I am not the biggest Paul hater; I simply won't be voting for him and for a lot of other reason other than party affiliation.
Ed @ 137:
I watched that last week, I had no idea that something like google trends even existed. I wasn't suprised at his findings. The media have deliberately kept Paul marginalised. They may not be able to keep him under the radar much longer.
Lollimom @ 68:
Give me a break. You left out the group that makes me sympathetic to the republicans at all. Paul belongs to the republican party because if you are a little l libertarian, i.e. you think John Locke and his second treatise on government was a great work, and that Nozick's analysis in Anarchy, State, Utopia was on the money, that was and is the only place to go and have a chance of being heard.
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If it had ended at one or two news cycles? Sure. It was a story for a minute, then Obama addressed it and it should have been over. The way they have dragged it out is boring, screechy and bordering on being just a prolonged attack on Obama. And Wright is one man: I am talking about Paul's sharing a party affiliation with entire group of people I simply don't trust at the moment. And in case you missed it, I am not the biggest Paul hater; I simply won't be voting for him and for a lot of other reason other than party affiliation.
Maybe you won't vote for him, but a milion people have. Alot of these people will not vote for anyone else. That could make a big difference come November, remember what happened in 2000.
Big John @ 29:
Campaign slogan: We're so Left we're Right!
It's called Libertarian Socialism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
Palooka @ 111:
Pretty much sums up democracy.
We don't vote anyone in - we just vote the unbearable out.
How about Mrs. Kucinich/Mrs.Thompson '08? But only if they kiss. OK, maybe not, but how long before Ron Paul supporters start chasing people in the streets again?
Obama/Hagel '08.
Obama 'reaches out' across the aisle without seeming TOO radical.
This ticket Immediately gets all the "War Hero/Tough on Terra" street creds that will be showered on the McSame/Whocares '08 ticket.
Ron Paul gained most of his support from issues like the war and gitmo. I have to say the idea that smaller government and less regulations leads to more Enrons and Sub Prime disasters. .
Sarbanes-Oxley which was passed after the Enron scandal(I am an accountant who's performed the Sarbanes-Oxley testing many times)- DOES NOTHING to prevent another one. The sub-prime disaster would've never took place if Alan Greenspan didn't REGULATE the interest rate and set it so artifically low. Bigger government and more regulations are not going to remove these problems when the main problem(Monetary policy and the Federal Reserve policies) are ignored.
ALThomas @ 83:
What's wrong with discussing the issues with our currency? What's so crazy about a Gold standard? Inflation is a real problem and thinking that its NOT a real issue is delusional.
Big bad corporations are usually only able to get away with criminal activities with governmental powers helping them out. I always refer to the Tylenol scare of 82 to show that corporations aren't inherently evil organizations because in an actual free-market- selling bad products that harm the consumer will end up with the corporation losing.
Ya know what would be really great. For those who oppose Ron Paul to stop laughing for a moment and rationally point out why Ron Paul should not be President. I mean, if calling him a quack or fringe candidate is all you got then you got nothin. I mean if calling him crazy disqualifies him then perhaps the mere existance of Rev. Wright disqualifies Obama. Maybe Lewinsky disqualifires Hillary. I'm just sayin, lets insert some substance into this dialogue.
One of the reasons that Paul has the support that he does is that his words go right to the heart of people who believe in our core freedoms and rights as citizens and the way the federal government has been rolling them back. The break comes at the point of just how much government we need. Paul is an old school republican who believes in small government, just how small is the point of the division. We need to roll back the federal governments laws and control of its people. The government needs to be trimed back down to a more reasonable size and those programs and dept left need a lot more oversite and control. The CIA has been doing what it damn well pleases for far to long and we have paid the price, and thats just one prime example! We need rules and laws to keep a fair and level playing field and programs to help those among us left themselves to a better life, we need laws to make sure our food and drugs,water are safe(its certain that they will not police themselves). We do not need the government to tell us what dirty words we can or cannot here or say,what we can or can not smoke or drink, what kind of medical treatment we can seek and use,what kind of ID we have to have in order to vote, on and on and on. I for one would like to see Paul as the potus and let him do away with all the"control the people" programs and in your face government bullshit,and let him keep at it untill such time as he wanted to start on the ones that we need to be a country of real truth and justice. After all we have been allowing just the reverse for the last 35 years and look where we are now!----CEO
Forgot to add- if you think that Ron Paul is the one that wants to destroy the poor then you're out of your mind. Talking about the Gold standard and other monetary issues to make sure our dollar has a good value is whats important if thats what you want to do. You can keep talking about expensive social programs to help the poor but if you don't have the money for those programs and have to resort to inflation to support them- guess who gets hit first? The poor!
I live in a poor neighborhood and we're all hurt more from inflation increasing the cost of living- if any of you actually gave a damn about the poor you would talk more about monetary policy instead of ignoring it and talking about other bullshit.
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