Indiana anti-voter Law produces first casualties: Indiana Nuns in their 80's and 90's
Here's your first case of voter disenfranchisement from Indiana's new draconian anti-voter law.
Judge Roberts must be so proud:
About 12 Indiana nuns were turned away Tuesday from a polling place by a fellow bride of Christ because they didn't have state or federal identification bearing a photograph.
Sister Julie McGuire said she was forced to turn away her fellow sisters at Saint Mary's Convent in South Bend, across the street from the University of Notre Dame, because they had been told earlier that they would need such an ID to vote.
The nuns, all in their 80s or 90s, didn't get one but came to the precinct anyway.
"One came down this morning, and she was 98, and she said, 'I don't want to go do that,'" Sister McGuire said. Some showed up with outdated passports. None of them drives.
They weren't given provisional ballots because it would be impossible to get them to a motor vehicle branch and back in the 10-day time frame allotted by the law, Sister McGuire said. "You have to remember that some of these ladies don't walk well. They're in wheelchairs or on walkers or electric carts."
Nonetheless, she said, the convent will make a "very concerted effort" to get proper identification for the nuns in time for the general election. "We're going to take from now until November to get them out and get this done. You can't do this like school kids on a bus," she said. "I wish we could."
It breaks my heart.
Election system sucks
More info about what's going on in Indiana over at Blackboxvoting.org. Bev Harris is watching the circus quite carefully.
They thought those nuns a lesson. Mission Accomplished! :-(
voter id = poll tax.
make the state provide id's. want id's? give them out.
The Roberts Court have a lot to be proud of. Just like the Inquisition had a lot to be proud of.
I've never been so disgusted with, or disrespectful of, our government as I have with these fucking clowns.
Voter fraud with voters has never been an issue. This is a scam by the Repugs of
the greatest magnitude to keep more poor (READ: DEM's) from voting at all.
Had they been poor elderly black folks, would this story have been picked up by the AP?
knowing the gop and their fucking tactics,
they will find some way to disenfranchise
all democrats by general election in nov.
or try to.
What does it matter, anyway?
Most likely they would have just voted for "Nun Of The Above".
thanks Roberts...honestly you have carried it too far Indiana..my state...sigh
Terrist nuns stealing illegal immigrant 'lections.
How about a "right to vote" amendment?
Jaycubed @ 9:
Awesome. Thanks.
dadams @ 8:
This sorry and easily misunderstood law will go down in history like the rest in America's proud tradition of voter suppression, right alongside literacy tests, white primaries and poll taxes.
"Well, they're all liberals. So screw 'em." Karl Rove
Blue Lensman @ 7:
Yes. And I'll bet there was someone else who was assumed to be the first voter casualty. Maybe it was the black mother of three. Maybe it was a freshly minted citizen who didn't have the correct paperwork.
This was going to be a story, no matter whom it effected first.
they were likely democrats.
roberts and nino are toasting one another tonite for a job well done.
This was probably the plan all along; after all, these nuns are old enough to remember the days Catholic=Democrat. If this got more press along with more on Hagee, I think the GOP would lose the Catholic vote once again.
My favorite part of the article:
Indiana's photo ID law is the strictest in the country. The Republican-led effort was designed to combat ballot fraud, said supporters, who also have acknowledged that no case involving someone impersonating a voter at the polls has ever been prosecuted in Indiana.
Old Billy Hussein @ 11:
Indeed. People don't realize that the Constitution does not explicitly enumerate the right to vote for anyone. The amendments that mention the right to vote do so only in a series of Thou Shalt Nots, proscribing certain reasons a state may not use to withhold the right to vote from people. Other than that, the states get to set all the rules and regulations.
What we need to do as well is actually define the right to vote, which neither our statutes nor our jurisprudence actually does.
I would argue that if just powers are rightly derived from the consent of the governed, then each person has the right to consent to her personal representation. Each of us commands a certain portion of governmental power, and as long as we're of the age of consent, we have the right to enter into a consensual contract to transfer our portion of power to a representative of our choice, who will vote in the legislature on our behalf.
There, ladies and gentlemen, is the fine handiwork of our illustrious Supreme Court.
koko @ 18:
It's an entirely hypothetical crime. Hasn't even been alleged ever.
Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 20:
and john mccain promises to nominate others in the mould of john roberts and antonin scalia..
Old Billy Hussein @ 11:
It should read thus:
That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts. No conditions. No terms. No horseshit. If you are free, and a U.S. citizen, you can vote. Period.
koko @ 18:
Isn't this logic a corollary of "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here"?
Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 20:
And just think, if John W. McSame takes up residence in the White House, he'll replace Stevens and Ginsburg with two more judges whose philosophies will place Anthony Kennedy firmly on the Court's left wing.
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So what they think the sisters were aliens from outer space or something because they didn't have ID?
It's time to threaten all of congress with treason charges if they fail to impeach and remove Scalia, Thomas, and Kennedy for their attack on the electoral process in the 2000 election. These three justices (+O'Connor and Rehnquist) were agents of George W. Bush and Richard B Cheney who are now enemies of the United States. Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy violated the 14th Amendment. If they want to take our rights using spurious claims of protecting the Constitution then we must take them down using that very Constitution.
ps: We have to compell Congress to remove Bush and Cheney, as well, using the same threat.
Arand @ 26:
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I suppose it's time to ask for international inspectors and monitors of U.S. elections to ensure freeness and fairness. After all, don't most other third world countries get provided this service?
Douglas @ 28:
Any ideas on how to give the threat any teeth?
Rico @ 30:
Third World countries are on the way up. Were on the way down.
I guess that I will get flamed... but Indiana's voter identification requirements has been in place for awhile... since 2005
"Under the bill, most voters would have to show a photo ID issued by the federal or state government, such as a military ID or driver's liense. People who do not have a driver's license and cannot afford to pay for a state-issued photo ID will be issued one for free."
So it is not like it is a new thing.... I, actually, think that it is a good thing. If you are a registered voter then you should have to prove yourself. We talk of the bad voting practices of the parties. This stops it. We have to show Identification to cash a check to use a credit card and to board a plane... I see no problem in having to show identification to cast a vote.
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The Supremes stated that one cannot sue if one isn’t yet affected, though one may pass laws even if no problem exists, shows how radical the Roberts Court truly is! Perfect timing, yet again, for an important election cycle.
The Clinton Obama Marathon continues.
So this Nun who betrayed her sisters. She a McCain supporter?
Remember that 1% of the population is disfranchised due to the prison laws. We won't be heading the Nazi way, I think. We seem to be going into Sparta, Part II, only our leaders are much, much stupider than the Hellenes.
Joshej @ 2:
Bev called it right on the money when she noticed that the voter list purge in Indiana was directed at African Americans. The piece of the puzzle that she didn't pick up on is the White districts with the purges. All the White districts with huge purges have abnormally high numbers of 18 to 39 year olds. The 18 to 39 year old crowd supports Obama. Hillary gets most of her support from the geritol voters.
I Like Pie @ 36:
So, the Black Codes rise again. That has me curious what's happening here in the South, with the highest portions of blacks in the nation....
slippy hussein toad @ 23:
How about:
Each and every person of the age of consent who is governed by the laws of a state or the United States shall enjoy the right to vote in any election for officers who shall write or enforce those laws. Neither the federal government nor any state shall deny, abridge or otherwise dilute the right to vote.
And people thought this right wing law would hurt Obama and help Clinton. Overall it certainly will. But a few of Clinton's core constituency (poorly educated white women who watch lots of TV), might not have a driver's license. But that's ok, squashing the voting rights of a few nuns will be worth it as long as Hillary wins.... it's her turn after all.
General_Rennenkampf @ 39:
The real sh*t is going to hit the fan when china and other former underdeveloped countries become rabid out of control materialists like we've been.
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fiver @ 43:
Jesus, dude, Hillary's not the Antichrist!
And Obama and Hillary both suck, equally IMHO, and both are better than John McCain, equally.
The Constitution has these amendments regarding voting rights:
This case was wrongly decided, but the only recourse is amendment - I don't know how it could be more clear.
How can you stop nuns from voting?
They carry those yardsticks and know how to use them.
General_Rennenkampf @ 41:
The same thing that's happening across the nation: ensuring that they are convicted of minor, but nevertheless felonious, drugs crimes, thereby legally disenfranchising enough of them.
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Deomcrats!!!! Its a Homeland Security Issue to get every valid citizen a valid ID. How can we tell the good Americans from the Terris otherwise????? Fund this with govmt tax money, cause its a national security issue!!!!!! Get on this!
The smiling, earnest, boy-next-door fascism of John Roberts.
Perhaps the most damaging legacy of Wanton Boy: his destruction of the Supreme Court.
L.A. Confidential @ 44:
Indeed. China has about a billion people. That's over three times the potential damage we're doing. The Boomers and other generations of the past should have thought of that before deciding to part like there's no tomorrow.
Karen @ 48:
Yeah, you're right on that. But considering my part of the country had slavery and Jim Crow, I was kinda curious if we were doing anything "different". Well, besides that unfortunate clusterfuck in my homestate....
These purges of voting roles in selected districts concerns me more than anything else, almost more than the lack of serious coverage in the media of real issues important to Americans. Maybe it's time we save everybody time and money and elect our nominee "American Idol" style. Give each candidate an 800 number and let the voting begin. Candidates with supporters with the fastest fingers win.
Old Billy Hussein @ 46:
The problem with all of these amendments is that the do not actually confer the basic right to vote on anyone. If you read them carefully, they only list certain reasons a state may not use to take a person's right to vote away. There is a HUGE difference.
Thus, although a state may not deny you the vote because you are black, that state may certainly deny you the right to vote because you don't have a photo id. Or because you blow your nose in a handkerchief instead of a tissue.
Liberoservative @ 33:
My understanding is that the law had been stayed until recently. There has been no cases of this type of voting fraud ever observed in Indiana. It is a cure in search of a disease.
Voting is a priviledge, not a right.
Sounds like Some people need to learn some personal responsibility.
I'll have to cut this short; I have a new job at the DoJ civil rights division.
General_Rennenkampf @ 53:
Besides good old fashioned intimidation? (Saw some of it about a decade ago running voter registration drives in Arkansas.) Dunno.
slippy hussein toad @ 5:
Yeah, nice going Roberts, Scalito, Fat-boy Neno, Thomas and Kennedy. Messing with the voting rights of nuns? I'd tell y'all to go to Hell, but you're practically racing there as it is.
lost_nacf_gop @ 60:
They're determined to bring hell here.
General_Rennenkampf @ 45:
Because obliterating Iran is so much better than bomb bomb bombing it. Wake up. McCain is nothing more than a back-up plan if Hillary loses.
Although I dislike most nuns, especially nuns who teach piano lessons, theiris too ridiculous.
What's next? Two forms of IDs and Proof of Residence? Damn how about proving that one isn't a foreigner in their own land?
Election Police worst than the IRS
General_Rennenkampf @ 52:
Watch out when they get to the point to where the boomer's "I want it all and I want it NOW" mantra becomes their great stimulant.
19 Karen
But with this current crop of justices wouldn't there need to be 52 Right to Vote Amendments?
One for the feds and each state, and Puerto Rico?
Otherwise, conservatives would argue such a right in the US constitution only means the feds can't deny suffrage.
gwg @ 17:
I'd like to see the GOP lose every single one of their votes... okay, except for the nards and neocons who can't vote any other way and keep their pathetic jobs...
ysbaddaden @ 65:
See my proposed wording @ 42.
Great!!! we stopped these horrible nuns from voting for God knows who! and who know for sure how many times they would have voted if they were let through with no ID.
Missionary Accomplished!!!
Karen @ 56:
The way I read those amendments, the right to vote is implicit. It is 'self-evident', in the words of the Declaration of Independence.
This is the political equivalent of making 80 year old ladies take off their shoes at the airport. Just disgusting.
I would recommend to everyone the book 10 Steps to Repair American Democracy by Steven Hill.
He touches on many aspects of our ridiculous electoral system, and explains the concept of Automatic Voter Registration, which would eliminate the need to register and re-register the way we have to now to be able to exercise our right to vote.
Karen @ 56:
There has long been a need to explicitly entitle the right to vote. Another amendment would suffice even if it only reversed onus and required a state to show that a person was not entitled to vote before they were denied a ballot.
Annoyed Canuck @ 69:
And it wouldn't bother me if American jurisprudence saw it that way. But it doesn't. And throughout our history, states have been very careful to reserve the power to set their own respective qualifications concerning the right to vote. It was in that historical context that each of those amendments were ratified. (Remember, 3/4 of the state legislatures have to ratify an amendment before it becomes part of the Constituiton.)
To the extent that the Supreme Court has actually recognized a fundamental right to vote, it has done so not through any of those amendments, but through the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection clause. And that jurisprudence is riddled with problems, not the least of which is that the now sacrosanct one-person-one-vote has increased the influence of political gerrymanders.
Our understanding of the right to vote is ripe for paradigmatic revolution.
Yes, but Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy and whoever that turncoat was are probably saying that it's worth throwing a few nuns under the bus to disenfranchise all those minorities and the poor by the hundreds of thousands.
below_me @ 4:
Here in Oregon you can get a photo ID from the Department of Motor Vehicles even if you are not getting a driver's license. I guess this is not the case in IN and elsewhere.
naschkatze Hussein @ 74:
The "turncoat" was Justice Stevens, and he is hardly one to say anything like that.
Peter G @ 72:
An explicit amendment that shifted the burden from the citizen (to prove that s/he has a right) to the state (to prove that it has the legitimate power to abridge the right) would dramatically improve the state of rights and liberties in general in our country.
We claim to want to bring democracy to the whole world while we destroy it here.
We have officially become a banana republic--trying to stop voters who might disagree with the Republicans who control the polls.
Karen @ 77:
That sounds like strict scrutiny involving a fundamental right (already the law).
Ron @ 78:
Not sure I'm interested in our brand of democracy . . it's armor-piercing and packs a wallop.
They are only the first of many. This is why the Rethugs pushed for this legislation. It's another form of voter suppression that favors Rethuglicans. With so many close elections, every vote truly counts.
Phew, I feel safer knowing those nuns couldn't steal the election.
fiver @ 80:
Except that there should be no difference between fundamental rights and mere liberty interests. The Constitution makes no distinction, and the distinction that has arisen violates the Ninth Amendment's explicit command that unenumerated rights not be disparaged.
ysbaddaden @ 48:
But the person who turned them away was another nun . . . with a yardstick . . . and she was still spry enough to actually swing it and connect with her target.
Aren't Scalia and Kennedy Catholic? Good work fellas!
Oh, and Thomas, Roberts and Alito are Catholic too. They must so proud of themselves.
Jesus wept.
angryspittle @ 70:
No, this is much worse than an airport security screen. A little inconvenience is not comparable to denying voting rights.
And Indiana might give you an ID for free if you can't afford it, but they won't provide you the means to get your birth certificate or waiver if one wasn't issued.
I worked the election today in Indiana, I've been working for the election board in the county I live in for the last 2 months.
This "WAHHH REAL ID WILL DISENFRANCHISE EVERYONE" stuff is a load of horseshit.
Complain about a real issue, like the dishonest Republican attack ads that were booted off TV recently. Or McCain being cosy with a psychotic preacher of his own.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 87:
Seriously? There are five Catholics on the Supreme Court? Well, I guess there are eight males too.
It sucks to see... but its also pretty awesome. The "republicans" couldnt prove that there were any cases of "in person voter fraud" that would necessitate the new law... but the other side couldnt prove that the new law would directly disenfranchise anyone either.
And if you're trying to prove that this new law disenfranchises voters, you couldnt pick a more sympathy inducing group to demonstrate it than a group of 90 year old Nuns..
How are they going to spin this? The Nuns shouldn't have been so lazy and gotten their Id's ahead of time? Gl with that Rushbo.
A&W @ 90:
I don't care about McCain's religion. The 2000 Florida election results (as certified) claimed a margin of "victory" of less than 1000. These "voter ID" plans are designed to disenfranchise tens of thousands of underpriveleged people - all in the name of curing an ill that doesn't exist. THIS IS A REAL ISSUE.
Old Billy Hussein @ 93:
Hint retard: Saying it's an issue doesn't make it an issue.
We had record turnout today. Not just record, we SMASHED the previous record. We fucking bent over backwards trying to make sure people could vote. We negotiated with a huge university for their database so we could have students use their University IDs to vote. I spent hours on the phone getting any screwed up registrations fixed. We did traveling board all week so incapacitated elderly people could vote.
If you think we were trying to disenfranchise anyone, FUCK YOU, and the horse you rode in on. I had to turn away maybe 10 people who didn't have proper ID in 2 weeks of early voting, and 8 of them just got their IDs and came back.
A&W @ 94:
My vindictive, foul-mouthed friend, you have no idea who I am.
I never claimed that poll workers were trying to disenfranchise people.
An article in the Boston Globe stated that a study indicates that 11% of eligible voters don't have a valid (for these purposes) ID. I'm trying to track down the study. This is a poll tax, the same as in Jim Crow.
By the way, I did run across this:
Mr. Smith neglected to mention that it would be impossible to find those people because Indiana's law hadn't been enacted.
Old Billy Hussein @ 95:
Strange, then why were the only people we had to turn away were people who had IDs from their home state and not Indiana? Most of which went and turned in for Indiana state IDs?
We had a problem with out-of-state University students who're here for 4-8ish years for their education and never got their Indiana drivers licenses, but we fixed that.
You're quoting me this stuff when I actually helped before, during, and after this election? You know, I was actually there when thousands of people voted? I'm a pretty hard-left Democrat (and think Real ID was pretty much pointless) and even I think complaining about Real ID is pissing into the wind. The only real boondoggle we had ironically was finding good vote centers due to ADA laws.
Part of the SCOTUS ruling was because they didn't have any evidence that anyone was disenfranchised... perhaps they can revisit this ruling NOW?
L.A. Confidential @ 64:
fiver @ 62:
Fiver:
And Obama wants to invade Pakistan, which would make an invasion of Iran look like a cakewalk. Your point? They all suck equally.
L.A. Confidential: What I'm concerned about is China's experiencing a great unrest right now, and there's all sorts of Neo-Montanist kooks trying to spread their heresy in the PRC. Hong Xiuquan may have a successor, and the blood will be on the heretics' hands.
Imagine the Lord's Resistance Army on crack, and that's what you'll be looking at. History always repeats itself, because we never learn.
LibertyLover @ 97:
Wha? No evidence? 1% of Americans can't vote and no evidence???? Stop the United States of America, please, I want to get off.
Why isn't there one standard for electors nation-wide?
It seems every hopped-up sherrif or county warden
wants to add his two cents' worth and make some special
proclamation about eligibility.
Living on the wrong side of the street or county line
could strike you off the rolls. A misdemeanor offence
from years ago will do the same thing.
Now put the shoe on the other foot and see how many
electoral officials and their jumped-up satraps are as
clean as the driven slush. What about those congressmen
and Senators who are now in disrepute? Why not take
away their right to vote? What makes them exempt?
Holier-than-thou bigots and fascists.
Quite easy to allow the Nuns to vote and take their fingerprints afterwards. If they are lying they live across the street. This is the kind of corruption the Republicans are famous for. I'd certainly be having a talk with the election judges on this, to hell with what the Supreme Court believes. They have already proven their criminality.
Waiting for Limbaugh to spew that the nuns were either (1) imposters or (2) dead and stuffed into wheelchairs by cryto-fascist-commie-vote-stealin'-liberals.
General_Rennenkampf @ 99:
I'm not 100% sure on the language but being disenfranchised isn't just not being allowed to vote because you showed up with no form of state/US ID, it's not being allowed to vote because of the state's error.
For example, we had to spend hours on the phone getting someone's registration changed back to active because they were in prison for a short period of time and the DoC (Department of Corrections) list wasn't updated right. When you're put in prison/jail you can't vote and your registration is canceled until you're let out. Well, this guy was very clearly not in prison anymore since he was standing in front of us, but his registration was still canceled. We got it straightened out, but had he not been able to vote THAT would have been disenfranchisement.
Al @ 102:
Actually, you're wrong. Limbaugh would say they were either (1) fake, or (2) crypto-fascist-Muslim-Commie-vote-stealing-liberals. Don't forget the completely unworkable conjunction of Islam with Communism. They work about as well together as Latin-Rite-and-descendants Christianity and Communism.
A&W @ 103:
I was referring to the study that said 1 in 100 people can't vote owing to having been in prison. That's 1 in every 9 black men, and 1 in, I believe, every 35 women. That's approximately 1% of the population unable to vote. I think, furthermore that our prison sentences are approximately equal to Australia's for Indigenous Australians, and that both the US and Australia exceed the Apartheid regime in jailing their minorities.
Which is a fucking disgrace. We replaced segregation-de-jure under Jim Crow with segregation-de-facto with prison sentences instead, it seems.
Let's call it what it is. Republican disenfranchisement.
This is a Fucking Crime perpetrated by the NEO=NAZIS so called supreme court , PERIOD .
General_Rennenkampf @ 105:
Here in Indiana you can vote if you're a convicted felon.
You just can't vote if you're actually in prison at the time.
A&W @ 90:
Yeah, nothing happened in the county you work, so the issue must be bullshit. That makes sense.
Karen @ 109:
So...you don't think we would have seen even a hint of this conspiracy to disenfranchise poor people? What?
come on, we all know that voter id has nothing to do with voter fraud
and im still curious, what do they do with absentee ballots?
no one in their right mind sends id through the mail
Important question.....Did the nuns have American Flag Lapel Pins??
As if the voter ID law in Indiana wasn't bad enough, the Indianapolis Star went one better today. As Indianapolis only daily newspaper, you would think that they would publish the voting locations as a public service. Instead, the Indianapolis Star directs you to their web site to find you poll location. Those who did visit the site found the information difficult to locate. I am sure many who wanted to vote were unable to get to a computer or couldn't find the information when they did go to the web site and simply gave up on voting.
The Indianapolis Star transformed into the Fox News of news papers immediately after their sale by the Pulliam family to Garnett Publishing. It seems to me that local new papers should be required to list voting locations as a public service. Have any other news papers withheld poll information like this? I am curious as to how wide spread this is.
Supreme court justices, you must be so proud of yourselves! The nuns who must have voted for every election in their life couldn't vote because of your decision. You really prevented voter fraud, didn't you? I hope you have good sleep after reading this.
the pope can't sway the election now!
I believe this particular convent will make an issue of this. Nuns are not demure shrinking violets. I would bet that they see voting as an obligation, a responsibility to society. They probably have never missed a vote. Hell hath no fury like an angry nun. Shame on those bad Catholic boys on the Supreme Court. They may just burn in hell.
Some showed up with outdated passports.
Man, that is just so sad.
How do we even know those nuns are in this country LEGALLY!?!?!
(Where's ICE when you need them!?!?!)
Gee, why don't we make a law asking a voter without ID who they were to vote for. If they say Republican, then they would be allowed...
I realize this may be a newly minted law but wouldn't this have been the perfect moment to begin defying it? She turned the nuns from her own convent away. Ridiculous. How easily we fall into line.
"Sister Julie McGuire said she was forced to turn away her fellow sisters at Saint Mary’s Convent in South Bend, across the street from the University of Notre Dame, because they had been told earlier that they would need such an ID to vote."
Oh good Christ. If she personally KNEW them, they don't need fucking ID. What a load of shite. ID is used to confirm identity of people you DON'T know.
Bullshit.
I am seriously tired of the voter ID outrage being a "liberal" drumbeat issue. It is absolutely CRAZY to think that you should be able to walk into a polling place and say sure I'm John Doe I'd like to vote please, kthxbye! Sorry but if your stupid enough to live in Indiana and somehow be so amazingly out of touch that you a)don't listen to a radio, b)watch any television, c)talk to a single effing other person, then sorry you don't get to vote because you have no idea what is happening in the world.
The best part, I'm relatively sure, the fascist pimp - john roberts- is a Catholic and from Indiana. One of these Nuns should have beaten the little prick senseless when they had the chance.
LibertyLover @ 117:
Indeed. And If I am not mistaken, an outdated passport, while invalid for travel, IS in fact legitimate for Federal identification. I know it is specifically acceptable for purposes of establishing, for example, employment eligibility (form I-9). Anyone know about that than I? Because I believe that those "several" sisters may have had the necessary proof after all...sad!
Oh the shame of it.
Plan on pressuring the next Congress to fix this.
Oh the shame. What have we come to?
Keep in mind that, in the Supreme Court case, no one was able to present ONE case of voter fraud in Indiana. So now we have...
1. Numerous instances demonstrating an onerous voting requirement, and
2. Still NO cases of voter fraud
So, in short, the new law (which is based on absolutely no evidence) wins, while the onerous voting requirements (which are now well-proven with real names attached to true stories of hardship) are dismissed as mere trivia and non-relevant.
I am an Indiana poll worker and I defied the racist voter ID law several times when I allowed citizens without ID to vote.
We must be the change we wish to see.
We can no longer live in fear.
Step up, make a change. I did and I do not regret it!
One more reason to vote for the Democratic nominees regardless of our personal feelings. The Republican Party must be marginalized. McCain can go back to snarling at fellow senators and McConnell will be allowed to empty wastebaskets in the SOB.
Stephen @ 127:
Um, you do realize you're admitting to a felony right?
Why not require Proof of Existence?
That's what freshman philosophy students are always asked on the first day of class.
First they came for the elderly nuns...
XuYu @ 118:
Did you know that we are arresting illegals GOING back to Mexico for having been in this Country illegaly?
People should be able to identify themselves when they vote. Voting is a priviledge. Take it seriously and get the proper identification. quit the whining.
Those nuns shouldn't be allowed to vote because, as the Reverend Hagee points out, they support the Great Whore, the Catholic Church.
Ron.j @ 133:
The proper identification for a voter is, appropriately enough, one's voter identification card.
But there's some bipartisan-ness to the cruelty, as creatures like Cheney who lack a soul can not typically be photographed. (All camera work for him has been CGI holographs, which is prohibitively expensive for the soulless who are not obscenely wealthy)
A&W @ 129:
Absolutely. Just like them try to make an example out of me.
We must be our own one-person revolution!
I weep for my country today.
You want these voting?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LONJoJkYekg
They "what" those nuns a lesson???
LOL
YOU need a lesson!!!!!!!!!! in English!!!!!!!!!!
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