Cocaine is a hellova drug, rots the collective MSM brain cells.

here's another hagee masterpiece.

Yeah... but MSM reporters can't go on the hunt for said video without being accused of being vindictive against McCain. The video has to be 'delivered' or 'highlighted' by an opponent in order to justify a story. Up until now, McCain hasn't really had an opponent to hit him. Obama has though... could explain why his pastor has been front and center for what seems like forever. That said, purely from a sexy video standpoint: angry black preacher certainly trumps looney white preacher. Is that about race? Natch! One silver lining is that at least now some people are actually having this conversation and asking the question, making them more aware of their own biases.

Those scary blacks scare me.

What Russert meant:

"If Republican operatives send us video of Hagee, it would make all the difference in the world..."

one among many things that makes McCain unfit for public office or even shoveling S^%$ from one place to another.

(Public Law 93-531 as amended in 1996 (Partition), 1999 (Settlement), 2001 (Enforcement of Resettlement) and 2005 (Expansion of Resettlement) by bills introduced by Senator McCain - has led to the United Nations Special Rapporteur, Hon Abdeltalif Amor's condemnation of human rights violations inside the US, over the stripping of rights and forced resettlement of these gentle and deeply spiritual band of Dineh-Navajo Indians from Arizona, swept off of lands they'd owned since 1500 A.D. so that Peabody Western Coal could mine the Coal from beneath their farmlands and tap their wells to slurry pipe it to a power station in Nevada).

Casper @10...I look killer in hats! ;-) Not that I wear them but I have a few.

BTW, I think calling the Corporate Media (CM) mainstream (M$M) is too kind. They are not mainstream...they are paid for whores.

LiveFrankly

The Traditional Media will never cover this the way they covered Jeremiah Wright.

Besides, scary white preachers don't scare middle America the way scary black preachers do.

it's important for every american to realize john hagee's a pivotal cog between american fundamentalist fanatics and the more rabid zioinists -neither group which represents the majorities of america and israel, respectively.

hagee's taken so much $$$, it seems, he's willing to renounce christ as his messiah in an infomercial.

wonder how that'll play in peoria?

what's that old israeli intelligence motto?

"THROUGH TRUTH, THOU SHALT MAKE PEACE."

did i get that right?

JoGoBamma(formerly Jo) @ 18:

Is there a video of Hagee having sex with boys? That's the only kind of video that would get the rethugs interested.

Let's see, preacher always raving about teh gays and whores......oh you know there's video of boy-loving somewhere.

To me it all boils down to one simple fact. McCain asked Hagee's endorsement. Obama didn't ask Wright for squat.

McCain knew Hagee's views and was certainly aware of the ugliness. Yet he still pursued his endorsement to woo that evangelical vote. That says volumes to me. McCain would literally sell his soul for an endorsement. And he did.

MsJoanne @ 24:

Bullfrog, I thought it was Through War, Thou Shalt Make Peace.

And black is white, up is down, and all goopers lie, lie, lie.

Republicans and their Taliban-like preachers suck.

Actually, it's "through deception, thou shalt make war."

Karen, yes indeed. I wrote a rather lengthy piece about that today.

Orders and Acts and Lies. Oh My!

This administration is useless for anything but war and destruction. And our elected officials are useless for, well, anything.

There is no Us in UsA any longer.

what's worse?.............

meeting a new preacher, attending services and possibly excusing some ideas that don't fit your own.....

-OR-

knowing for years the hate-filled idiocy of these televangelists, calling them agents of intolerance and then selling out and accepting their endorsements

There is little any longer that once was Christian.

Not torture. That's perfectly ok, accepted, encouraged.

Not care for the poor. Screw 'em. Let them pull themselves up by their boostraps.

Nothing about the fellow man unless they give you some cashola.

While there are some good people and leaders of faith, but this guy ain't on of 'em.

22 years. personal relationship. "spiritual mentor". That's the difference.

Repubs in Housing Bubble Paradise (Hussein) @ 2:

I think that the difference, is that Hagee's comments are based on some strange, esoteric Biblical interpretations, while Wright's are more direct, and have more immediate social implications.

Oh yeah, and that Wright is black and Hagee's white.

John Hagee's band of loony tunes have been taking a dump on the Faith for the last 20 or so years. Where have you been? And Hagee is also emphatically not an esoteric Christian. His brand of Christian, one I know all too well, considers itself exoteric, and looks on esoteric Christians and in general even the more moderate of their ilk as Satan's workers.
Those types of Christian are Fascism repackaged in an American form, not at all even the dark Christianity of the Torquemadas and Basil IIs. Hageeism is a new monstrosity that, if it is as close to McPapen as I fear, will spark a match in the current situation of a room covered in fine powder in gasoline up to McPapen and Hillary and Obama's waste with dry wood everywhere and nitroglycerin, too.

While all three are carrying matches, and John Hagee has flipped up the lighter.

So yeah, this Christian wants to see these heretics shoved back in their little hole while the rest of us try to recover from the damage these fascists are doing to the Faith.

I want the media to obsess over their obsession of Rev. Wright and disinterest in Hagee.

"Sen. McCain, much has been made of Rev. Wright over the past few weeks, but we have ignored Rev. Hagee and his comments. Would you like to comment while you accepted his endorsement after being made aware of this remarks?"

Just once I want to hear the mainstream media carry this narrative onto the Republican candidate. Notice how investigation of Bush's AWOL status by Rather would cost him his CAREER and John F. Kerry was PILLORIED for serving honorably in Vietnam.

Unlike the AWOL incumbent Preznit

ferrofluid @ 1:

Cocaine is a hellova drug, rots the collective MSM brain cells.

Hagee's on McCains couch wearing dirty shoes. F*** yo couch!

bullfrog @ 17:

neither group which represents the majorities of america and israel, respectively.

How many people in Israel recognize the injustice done to the Palestinians in 1948 and subsequently in 1967? 2%? 4% of the population?

Do those who call the Palestinian Nakba a myth fall under the "doesn't represent the majority of Israelis" umbrella or do they belong in the "zealot Zionists" category?

Here's the perspective from a few Israeli Jews (These guys are considered fringe left in Israel and represent a tiny fraction of the population:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bCJkmqj6Lw

The angry man at 3:40 says in Hebrew "You're talking about the Nakba? Shame on you [for brining it up]".

Rev. Hagee is Fred Flintstone...a modern stone-age charlatan...and he's got pebbles for brains, too.

We'll have a gay ol' time! (really, we will...then we'll meet afterward for a little redemptive therapy...wink, wink.)

This is my favorite. McCain , Hagee, Lieberman, and all the Zionist wackos in Blumenthal's Rapture Ready viddy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig

Crooks and Liars abound, but it grows old none-the-less.

We know Russert is not an intellectual.

America is an anti-intellectual nation (not indifferent, mind you, ANTI!).

Therefore the intellectual validity of utterances and thoughts mean nothing to them.

What a fucking moron.

I'm typing up a letter to Russert and mailing it to the D.C. address, since I'll be very near Nebraska ave. this weekend, I am half tempted to hand deliver it.

the corporate media is going to promote mccain the same way they promoted the war in iraq. They plan on manipulating the electorate using tactics similar to the whole rev. wright smear on obama. if you think the msm is going to treat mccain and obama the same, you have not been living in the usa the past 15 years. the concentrated media is oligarchy owned and oligarchs prefer republican rule in order to maintain their choke hold on america.

Do you think it's possible that if someone stuck a pin in Hagee, he'd go flying around the room and sounding like a balloon? I'm dying to try it.

And yeah, I'm pretty sure his whiteness and Wright's blackness figure in here somewhere. In fact, I'd be willing to offer up my firstborn as a wager.

The idea that there have been no videos of Hagee is ridiculous. He's a televangelist! His crazed statements have been broadcast for years! The attack on Wright was because he's Black and spoke the truth. Hagee is a white, armageddon-promoting right-winger, so whatever he says or does is OK in this sick country.

Cantor de Mambo @ 50:

anon @ 46:

This isnt remotely the same.

Wright was political and is black. Hagee is a classic christian extremist. There are two camps here:

1) Those that agree - will have no problem with McCain.
2) Those that see Hagee as a christian extremist - who will understand that McCain was making a politcal move NOT endorsing a message.

Both described camps are idiots. 1) for agreeing with that moron. 2) for thinking that we will believe you.

Excuse me? Did you read and understand any of that? Do you understand the difference between reason and rhetoric? McCain wont be harmed - you see the video as harmful, but then you arent going to vote for McCain.

reality in america is too depressing for the msm to cover in their role as corporate cheerleaders.

I Like Pie @ 62:

McCain was a member of the Keating 5. Don't pull the punches. If Obama or Hillary were members of the Keating 5 the GOP would be printing up T-shirts. This Rev. Hagee thing is a dead end. Most of these Evangelical Types are nuts. We have one that wanders around town babbling in tongues. People just accept the words religious and nuts as belonging in the same sentence. The Keating 5 thing; it's just pure political gold. It rolls off the tongue nicely. We have a huge banking scandal attached to it; everybody hates the bankers.

Good point. Also, there has always been (here in Az) talk of a connection between her family (the beer people), organized crime and the murder of reporter Don Bolles. Nothing definitive - however, when you combine McCain moving to Az specifically to run for congress with the Keating 5, Bolles and his wives families suspected connection to organized crime - it begins to stink.

This is a good starting point...you could go on for days beyond this-

John Hagee’s band of loony tunes have been taking a dump on the Faith for the last 20 or so years. Where have you been? And Hagee is also emphatically not an esoteric Christian. His brand of Christian, one I know all too well, considers itself exoteric, and looks on esoteric Christians and in general even the more moderate of their ilk as Satan’s workers.
Those types of Christian are Fascism repackaged in an American form, not at all even the dark Christianity of the Torquemadas and Basil IIs. Hageeism is a new monstrosity that, if it is as close to McPapen as I fear, will spark a match in the current situation of a room covered in fine powder in gasoline up to McPapen and Hillary and Obama’s waste with dry wood everywhere and nitroglycerin, too.

While all three are carrying matches, and John Hagee has flipped up the lighter.

So yeah, this Christian wants to see these heretics shoved back in their little hole while the rest of us try to recover from the damage these fascists are doing to the Faith.

So is it remotely possible that Obama, knowing this is all so much claptrap but that some sort of religious leaning is necessary for today,s candiddate in America is mandatory- just went through these religious motions as a matter of expediency?

Anyone with an IQ bigger than their hatsize knows that this shit is all man made. Tally up the death and misery in the name of religion over the centuies and then make an argument that rational thinking people can easily embrace any of this nonsense! Perhaps he is like most of us, embracing the church when convenient otherwise, pretty much an after thought.

Why the hell does anyone nevermind the POTUS need a god damned spiritual adviser? When are people gonna wake up and smell the lies that spew from preacher man's mouth ... I'm talking about mythmaking, why haven't we broken the spell yet?

I would be so proud to have "this wacko's" endorsement.

mcAncient is desperate and old. What an ignorant fart.

yes but it doesn't mean a damn to timmeh whether hagee is on youtube or not you see. for timmeh the point is:
"oh bu', lo'dy, 'lo'dy, dat boy's not be'in askeerry black folk!"
that is , hagee won't play well on the teevee. he'll strike far too close to home to the public who listen to the commercials that run on the station and who are backing the candidate of the msm. can't have that, oh no.

also let's face it...both of the reverends tend to speak a bit in apocalyptic code, albeit in their own respective styles. if the american public weren't the laconic sheep that they are they'd realize that both reverends are religious nutbars and treat them both accordingly.

i'm also *vastly* comforted that ol' "nappy headed ho'" imus is around to help us understand the state of race relations in the u.s. today. oh yes.

There's a huge double standard here that most in the MSM refuse to acknowledge. Frankly, I find it far more worrisome that an entire Party is pandering to and seeking endorsements from these right wing religious wackadoodles. We don't have a clue what sermons Obama heard during those 20 years or how often he even attended church. And I don't think that's any of our business. I believe this sets a very destructive and dangerous precedent when we start sniffing around so much in people's private religious lives. Like so many preachers, Wright is as much entertainer as he is preacher. And as such, he provokes and tries to engage the audience in whatever means he thinks works. Furthermore, being angry at the American govt for years of legalized discrimination and oppression, and foreign policies that provoke American hatred is understandable. It also seems that his more recent anger is directed at the MSM for their blatantly biased coverage. Rev. Wright is a complex man, and I don't think any of us have a clue what he's really all about. But, he has spent his life helping the less fortunate in his community. As Moyers said, "beware of the great simplifiers".

But, but, but, but what about Pastor Hagee?

* Is McCain a member of Hagee's church? No.

* Has McCain attended Hagee's church for 20 years? No.

* Did McCain take his children to Hagee's church? Again, no.

* Did Hagee baptize McCain's children? No.

* Did Hagee marry McCain and his wife? No

* Did McCain title a book after one of Hagee's sermons? No.

* Did McCain compare Hagee to his uncle? No.

* Did McCain call Hagee his "sounding board?" No.

* Was McCain's relationship with Hagee so close that he said he could no more disown him than he could disown his own grandmother? No.

But, has McCain criticized Hagee's offensive remarks in a way that Obama has never done for, say Jesse Jackson's "Hymietown" comment or Al Sharpton's Tawana Brawley escapades? Yes, he has done that.

The primary difference here, which seems obvious to everyone but liberals like Frank Rich, is that Obama has been so closely associated with Jeremiah Wright for so long, that it is extremely difficult to believe that he doesn't share a lot of the man's views.

You can't go to Klan meetings for 20 years, pal around with the guy running the whole kit and kaboodle, and then pretend to be shocked when he says something racist. "Why, I never knew the Grand Exalted Cyclops had a racist bone in his body! I certainly never heard that when I was at one of those Klan meetings!"

But that's exactly what Obama's trying to do. He went to an anti-white "Christian" church and spent 20 years buddying up with a vile, virulently racist, anti-American conspiracy kook and now he's trying to convince people that not only does he not share any of Wright's views, he didn't even have any idea that he held them in the first place.

That's the difference between McCain/Hagee and Obama/Wright.

---John Hawkins

C'mon! That dude is white... how hate-filled could he possibly be?

bns @ 28:

More Hagee goodness here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNi7tPanUA

Karen @ 14:

Oh, and speaking of videos of Hagee.....

Both good videos

I hate to say it this way, but a man's religious ties to his preacher is not so much my concern right now as much as it is that this country needs a change and that change need not be McCain.

"The videos that could pose a problem for McCain"

The ones of him with Paris Hilton?

75 dennis

Actually for once I agree with you.

However effective, your use of the Klan may be considered race-baiting

Take it from an old Master Baiter.

Of course, a leatherfaced old racist like Imus would consider it a "stretch" to compare Wright and Hagee.

Ruthless People @ 15:

The Traditional Media will never cover this the way they covered Jeremiah Wright.

Besides, scary white preachers don't scare middle America the way scary black preachers do.

See, that's a small facet of the big chunk choking the election: middle America can't, it just can't, vote for a black man over an older white male with a military record.

And your average voter isn't some tatted world citizen with tiny glasses and artistic hair. It's an older white person from the WWII generation--someone who sees McCain, the whiteness, the age, the hair, the last name--and does the necessarily ultra-simple calculation: looks like me, talks like me, has a good Scottish last name, went to war like me/my daddy/my grandaddy did.

Couldn't be more simple. No need to read up on the record, the issues. Scarey times, these are--we'd better not make any drastic changes like President Obama.

John. McCain. Sounds like a president. So what if I am a Democrat? We can't have a . . . black man as President. Maybe someday, but not this time.

Who needs vote fraud? Unconscious, entrenched racism will do it.

Hagee, et al, another reason why religion is the root of so many evils.

And the great spaghetti monster declared that all non believers will be fed meatballs until they repent the sins of the rice eaters!

In the beginning their was chaos....not much has changed since

All hail Discordia!

Craven Morehead @ 20:

You know what? I think Hagee is a cook, but I can't say I disagree with his distaste for the catholic institution.

What's he cooking? You mean, kook. There are intelligent ways of criticizing the Catholic faith, but calling them "the great whore" and comparing them to Hitler is not one of them.

"Look, this empty suit sat in the pews for TWENTY freakin years lappin up the racist, misogynistic, homophobic, AntiAmerican crap Wright was serving."

I know you don't believe anything Obama says, because you don't want to, but Obama stated very clearly that he did not hear the kind of rhetoric that has caused a firestorm. So your premise is false. What follows is thus false. I'm not sure what your motivation is, but you are misrepresenting the facts (lying).

Frankly, I don't find Wright to be offensive. I find him perplexing in some respects and I understand his point of view in other respects. He's a smart, funny, and entertaining person. I never heard in any of the clips hatred toward anyone. Rather I heard an expression of anger and frustration toward the domestic and foreign policies in the US. His point of view is that of a black American who has suffered as such in his life and has had friends and family suffer. His rhetoric that I heard is full of hyperbole and histrionics. But that doesn't bother me. He, unlike Hagee, does not preach hate. He does not pray for the end of the world, as do Hagee and the other Christo-fascists who have the ear of McCain who is beholden to them. THAT is scary. The so-called "angry black man preacher" doesn't bother me at all.

You and the other Wright critics are ugly, hateful people who are unable to empathize with anyone unlike yourselves. You bother me. Maybe it's your racism. Maybe it's your bigotry. Maybe it's your stupidity. I don't know. I just know that you are beyond redemption in my mind, though Obama seems to be optimistic, even when it comes to small minded cretins like you.

I'm not a wide-eyed fan of Obama. Neither Clinton nor Obama is my candidate. I'm a Liberal. But I am pleased to be voting for Obama in November, because it means that this long national nightmare might be ending.

I've devoted enough time to trolls on this issue. The fact is that the political endorsement of Hagee and the rest of the right wing Christo-facists is much different and worse than Obama's relationship to Wright.

anon @ 59:

Cantor de Mambo @ 50:

anon @ 46:

This isnt remotely the same.

Wright was political and is black. Hagee is a classic christian extremist. There are two camps here:

1) Those that agree - will have no problem with McCain.
2) Those that see Hagee as a christian extremist - who will understand that McCain was making a politcal move NOT endorsing a message.

Both described camps are idiots. 1) for agreeing with that moron. 2) for thinking that we will believe you.

Excuse me? Did you read and understand any of that? Do you understand the difference between reason and rhetoric? McCain wont be harmed - you see the video as harmful, but then you arent going to vote for McCain.

I see the video as frightening. Being beholden to a Christo-fascist should be harmful to McCain. There are a lot of brainless followers of Hagee who like what he says there. But they are the lunatic fringe. Rationality will prevail.

Karen @ 14:

IMUS:

Big stretch for Frank Rich to suggest that Rev. Hagee, that somehow McCain has the same relationship with him as Obama had with Rev. Wright but he did run it up the flag pole yesterday, didn’t he.

Very true. Obama had a long friendship with Wright, one that was like family. Obama witnessed Wright do a lot of wonderful work in his community, bring him to the Christian faith, and say a lot of crazy political things with which Obama disagreed. Obama never sought Wright's political counsel; he was a member of a church in which Wright was a pastor.

McCain, on the other hand, had no personal relationship with Hagee. He was not close to the man like family, witnessing and experiencing first hand whatever complex mixture of good and bad he might be. Instead, he expressed the view that other sane people express when listening to Hagee and his ilk -- that he was an "agent of intolerance." Until, of course, it became politically necessary for McCain to renounce that position, embrace the agents of intolerance who crave wars in the Middle East in order to destroy heathens and expedite Armageddon, and actively seek their political endorsements in exchange for who-knows-what when it comes to our foreign policy.

Indeed, it's quite a stretch to compare the two. Obama's is a complex, human relationship characterized by feelings of loyalty and family. McCain's is a simple, dehumanized relationship characterized by the worst kind of political expediency.

Which one should really worry us more?

RUSSERT:

He sure did. There’s been a lot of chatter on that, you know, about Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson’s comments after September 11th. If there was video of Hagee, it makes all the difference in the world….

Of course, we can't blame Timmeh for not having seen the many videos there actually are of this raving lunatic. It's not his responsibility to seek out such materials, and report them to us. It's not like he's a journalist with his own TV show or anything.

Oh, and speaking of videos of Hagee.....

These are excellent points that should be considered by some of the "concerned" who seem to think that endlessly repeating the phrase "20 years" is an argument.

The old saying is that, when you get to the dance, you gotta dance with the one what brung ya. Hagee - he of the violent, apocalyptic vision for the Middle East - is bringing McCain to the dance. And if McCain makes it, Hagee is DEFINITELY going to want McCain to dance to the tune he calls.

Hagee said that Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment to New Orleans for planning a Gay Pride March. Two weeks later Hurricane Rita, another devastating storm, hit Lake Charles Louisiana. What is Hagee's explanation for this one? Contraband Days? What about those tornadoes that hit Virginia? What had those people done wrong?

dw @ 68:

i know in the album of Genesis titled "we can't dance" there is a song titled Jesus he knows me. it's a little fitting here

Yep, it is & the song AND video are on my SONY Walkman .mp3 player right now. It'd one of my favorite Genesis songs.

One last comment...I have a surprise for Hagee & the other so-called "Christians" of his ilk. Even if the nukes are let loose & the earth is burned to a radioactive cinder, Jesus AIN'T coming!!! I'm not a believer in the Bible, but if I was, I would think that parts of the book like Revelations are symbolic & not to be taken literally. It reads like the author was INCREDIBLY high on drugs. I've read scholarly works that said that Revelations was actually an incredibly veiled commentary on the political situation at the time, among other things.

Anonymous @ 108:

What would this world be like WITHOUT all religion?
F*cking, brain-washing cults.

Yep, they are. All of em.

McCain and all of them need to worry about the pics and photo ops of them kissing and bowing down to the pope! Anyone who pays homage to that child-molesting church spewing piece of papal shit is doomed to the hell that that the book of revelations describes. If anyone seriously believes that the book of revelation is not going to come true then they are seriously mistaken.

The powers that be in this world grovel to the pope because if the armageddon does not occur then they will have to say that it was all bullshit and completely made up- which would mean the catholic church and christianity as a whole would have to give back all those trillions and trillions of dollars they have bilked out of believers for centuries- and quite frankly they don't even have the assets to back up that kind of debt- let alone take responsibility for the hundreds of millions of people they have killed.

Nope, my guess is they will blow everything up and blame it all on a very pissed of God who finally had enough of all of us sinners and our evil wicked ways.

That's one way to try to take it all with ya?

Why do people think they are building underground cities?

All I have to say is THEY better fucking hide!

And someone please call Cindy McCain and tell her to stop using Pricilla Presley's and Marie Osmond's plastic surgeon- cause if she gets one more operation she is gonna look like Joan Rivers with a lower lip. Shit...

Hagee is a Great Whore and the antichrist and an abomination to Catholics everywhere. May this video and any like it bring down Mccain's lame efforts and turn him into a Bob Dole.