Arianna Huffington has been taking a lot of heat from right wing circles for an entry in her latest book, The Right Is Wrong, where she says John McCain made a point of saying at a Hollywood party that he didn't vote for George Bush. Now honestly, considering what the Bush campaign did to him in 2000, I don't blame him. The problem is that he denies it now and says he did vote for Bush. That makes him a liar. He either lied to Arianna (and actors Richard Schiff and Bradley Whitford back up Arianna's version) back then or he's lying now. Considering the trouncing Hillary Clinton rightfully got for her Bosnia story, I see no reason why this shouldn't speak to McCain's character and credibility as well.

Apparently loosey-goosey on a Friday afternoon and ready to start the weekend, Chris Matthews brings on radio talk show hosts Michael Smerconish and Ed Schultz to discuss the issue, but it's very clear that Matthews doesn't really think it is an issue and thinks that Arianna was in the wrong for revealing this:

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Matthews: All three of them (Richard Schiff, Bradley Whitford and Arianna Huffington) claim, say that they heard John McCain, back at a party at Candice Bergen's house, back I guess around the time of it or a little later, that he did not vote for President Bush in 2000. He now says that he did, but he isn't quite denying about what he said to those people. That may be a distinction without a difference, but what do you make of all this? Was he cozying up to the Hollywood crowd? [..]

Smerconish: [..] Let me ask you something: isn't this a violation of the "dinner code"? Isn't this like a hooker who gives up a john? Isn't there some impropriety here?

Matthews: I used to love...I used to love that rule that where you're out having fun with each other, you weren't sitting there with radios, you weren't quoting them, you weren't going to screw them in the morning. I mean, that's the world I like to live in, but I have learned everything you say can be used against you.

Wow. Just wow. So it's inappropriate to point out hypocrisy on the part of a man running for the highest office in the country, but it's perfectly fine to liken a woman to a hooker "giving up a john"? Nope, I can't imagine why people think you're the biggest misogynist on TV, Chris. But it gets better. Conservative Smerconish needs to spin this "I won't vote for you, but I'll embrace you and I'll carry your policies on into my presidency" stance into something that simultaneously reinforces the "Maverick" persona (gag) and distances him from the least popular and effective president in the history of the country. When lefty Ed Schultz doesn't play along, Matthews takes him to task.

Smerconish: Hey Chris, I would think no less of him if he didn't vote for Bush, given what the Bush folks put him through in the year 2000. If John McCain said, "Hell no, I didn't vote for him," I don't think any worse of the man. In fact, I think he's more of the maverick that I hope that he is.

Matthews: So you think this might be brilliant positioning. John McCain did not vote for George Bush. Headline.

Smerconish: Could be.

Matthews: [unclear]Put it on a bumpersticker. This will make him a better ...it's not four more years, it's a break with the past. This is the change you've been waiting for. His name is John McCain.

Schultz: He's still going to do Iraq the same way Bush did. He's still going to do Iraq the same way Bush did, so there's no change. That's what the American people are going to look at.

Matthews: God. Damn it. Damn it, Ed Schultz. Here it is, Friday afternoon, and I'm trying to have some fun and every time you talk like you're on National Public Radio. I don't want another somber, serious thought out of you in the next 3 seconds, okay? My God, I'm talking about the most inconsequential story in the world and you're turning it into something like "This is Washington, the nation's capitol". Look, let me get back to someone who knows what a sense of humor is. Michael Smerconish, isn't it funny that John McCain at the very moment he's trying to prove his lovey dovey connections to George Bush gets outed as the guy who was bragging about voting against him? I think it's pretty funny.

Smerconish: I think it's hysterical and the net effect is that it helps John McCain and I think those who are spinning it are thinking it bodes poorly for him. It doesn't. And if two people go out and have a cocktail and talk politics, it's off limits. That's the way it ought to be.

The most inconsequential story in the world? But Farrakhan, Wright and Ayers, those were serious issues of character. An affair with an of age intern, that was enough to take down a presidency. The tone of one's laugh and the irrational fear of castration is enough to cause people not to vote a candidate. But holding tight to the policies of a president that you could not bring yourself to vote for, that's nothing. Ah....the McCain Media Man Love strikes again.



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LIEBERMAN WANTS TO BE MCCAINS VP

That's what my money is on...

If Arianna is a hooker she can have my whole paycheck. She is a smokin hot older broad.

The real story is that McCain voted against Lincoln!

why is this even a story?

after the way mcoldman was treated during the 2000 campaign, it would be logical for him to not vote for bush

wasnt isnt logical is his turnaround embracing everything that bush stands for

and what dinner etiquette??? what the fuck was that about?

Does anybody have the time anymore to listen to the nonsense spewed by these blowhards, does anyone even care what they say?

So this is the progressive MSNBC?

I was gonna call Chris Matthews an asshole, but assholes actually serve a purpose and are important to a healthy life.

uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 4:

and what dinner etiquette??? what the fuck was that about?

It's an Old School Social Rule. Never talk about money, religion, or politics and everybody gets along just fine.

Everyone knows Arianna is a Ho. She used to openly sleep with Al Franken on national TV. I saw them so it has to be true. I wish somebody would wash that Smerc of off Mathews face. Is that how Chris got the white hair? There's something about Mathews.

flamethrower @ 9:

Everyone knows Arianna is a Ho. She used to openly sleep with Al Franken on national TV.

Calculating opportunist would be a better description. But thats how you get fame and wealth in this country.

Wishing doesn't make it so.

Tweety misses hanging out in the steam room and smoking "cigars"...
He obviously doesn't view himself as a journalist since he blatantly admits he is not interested in news.

I wish everyone who was interviewed by all of these clowns had a response similar to Ed's. Something like this...
"You do know that our country is at war? Actually, fighting two wars. And our economy is collapsing. Why, given all that, would you waste all of our time and the PUBLIC airwaves on this topic?"

Huh? How is this not a major blow to Matthews' credibility? I hear "journalists" like Matthews say this sort of thing with some regularity-- that when they're just socializing with these politicians, it's off the record.

Media people should not be golfing with these politicians, or drinking with them, or seeing sports games with them. They should not be pals, and they most certainly should not be allowed to put their chummy relationships with public figures ahead of their coverage. But here, Matthews not only admits to doing that, but says it's some sort of waning *ideal*.

Ugh.

And Arianna's positions haven't changed, other than maybe her shaken faith in the private sector...
it's all her former pals who blindly followed W so far to the right that they make Reagan and Nixon look like dirty hippies.

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Who cares? Smirkonish is nothing but Glenn Beck lite.

That Smiegel-guy is a real dipshit.

Arianna likes to work all angles. I'm not so sure how credible she is anymore.

CatAtomic @ 12:

Huh? How is this not a major blow to Matthews' credibility? I hear "journalists" like Matthews say this sort of thing with some regularity-- that when they're just socializing with these politicians, it's off the record.

Media people should not be golfing with these politicians, or drinking with them, or seeing sports games with them. They should not be pals, and they most certainly should not be allowed to put their chummy relationships with public figures ahead of their coverage. But here, Matthews not only admits to doing that, but says it's some sort of waning *ideal*.

Ugh.

I used to watch tweety a bit because he was against the war. He is, however, the real whore. Simply watch the way he sucks up to the guests, particularly the "important" right wingers. Spewing faux complements and transparent sycophancy so the flattered will come back on his program. A self-serving prostitute turning a tick or two to keep his ratings alive. He is vile. I have ceased watching the spitting asshole. I count the minutes until Keith.

Arianna has gotten so tied up in her own celebrity status, she has no credibility any more. Unless you want the latest Hollyweird Gossip, her site is nothing but crap. It was once a good site, but now resembles the National Enquirer and reads like Faux News created it.

I've been told this is a place that pays attention to what is said on TV.

I accept that.

But I see a disconnect here.

Bill Clinton's...spillage got saved to used against him and right-wingers were fine with that. After all, he shouldn't have been...you know. Crazy old John McCain shoots off his crazy-ass hot-tempered mouth but Arianna's the bad guy for repeating what he said? Bizarro world. Turn off cable news. Use your own common sense to determine what's right or wrong. Smerconish says nothing worth listening to.

ConcernedCanuck @ 18:

Arianna has gotten so tied up in her own celebrity status, she has no credibility any more. Unless you want the latest Hollyweird Gossip, her site is nothing but crap. It was once a good site, but now resembles the National Enquirer and reads like Faux News created it.

I know. Stuff like "How A Big Booty Boosts Your Health" isn't exactly what I call progressive thinking.

sooth Hussein sayer @ 14:

Who cares? Smirkonish is nothing but Glenn Beck lite.

yep that's why he seems to be the go to fill in host for him on his crappy HLN show.

If Arianna were a male, they'd be calling her latte-sipping-pansy today. Is it really necessary to say she's a hooker? How about just disagreeing?

ConcernedCanuck @ 18:

Arianna has gotten so tied up in her own celebrity status, she has no credibility any more.

In this instance, what she said about McSame was repeated by two other people. How is it her credibility is being questioned? And she's being called a prostitute by these sexist buffoons, who call themselves journalists on the national news?

Matthews is just getting warmed up. After the conventions, if he has any hope of satisfying the demands of his corporate masters, putting McCain in the White House, and keeping his job, he's going to have to whore like he's never whored before.

Regardless of the impropriety of the comparison, what the hell does it mean, exactly? As we all know, hookers should not give up their johns? Only the hookers belong in jail? What a bizarre analogy.

Smerconish:

I think it’s hysterical and the net effect is that it helps John McCain

Heh, yes. This is always their answer when their guy is caught in a scandal. I don't know whether it reflects desperate spin, or a sincere belief that the public itself holds the Democrats and Republicans to different standards.

L.A. Confidential @ 21:

ConcernedCanuck @ 18:

Arianna has gotten so tied up in her own celebrity status, she has no credibility any more. Unless you want the latest Hollyweird Gossip, her site is nothing but crap. It was once a good site, but now resembles the National Enquirer and reads like Faux News created it.

I know. Stuff like "How A Big Booty Boosts Your Health" isn't exactly what I call progressive thinking.

I agree totally LA. Arianna is all about Arianna, nothing more.

oh, the hooker who exposes the John huh?

hey about paying attention to the Madam who was suicided for her list that outed Vitter.

wheres the headline about that?

Leslie [Hussein] @ 24:

ConcernedCanuck @ 18:

Arianna has gotten so tied up in her own celebrity status, she has no credibility any more.

In this instance, what she said about McSame was repeated by two other people. How is it her credibility is being questioned? And she's being called a prostitute by these sexist buffoons, who call themselves journalists on the national news?

Why is she on in the first place again? Because she's made herself a celebrity. What has she done to prove herself an expert on anything? Oh ya, she married a rich person. And now has written a book. Witnesses or not, she is tiring to listen to and does not offer anything new to discussions. McCain lies and flip flops? Wow, there's a shocker.

"The Dinner Code"? Like Republicans stand by that. I wonder if tapping your feet is covered? Or... torture?

ConcernedCanuck @ 29:

Leslie [Hussein] @ 24:

ConcernedCanuck @ 18:

Arianna has gotten so tied up in her own celebrity status, she has no credibility any more.

In this instance, what she said about McSame was repeated by two other people. How is it her credibility is being questioned? And she's being called a prostitute by these sexist buffoons, who call themselves journalists on the national news?

Why is she on in the first place again? Because she's made herself a celebrity. What has she done to prove herself an expert on anything? Oh ya, she married a rich person. And now has written a book. Witnesses or not, she is tiring to listen to and does not offer anything new to discussions. McCain lies and flip flops? Wow, there's a shocker.

So what about Arianna!? This is about McSame, who's running for president.

Karen @ 26:

Regardless of the impropriety of the comparison, what the hell does it mean, exactly? As we all know, hookers should not give up their johns? Only the hookers belong in jail? What a bizarre analogy.

Smerconish:

I think it’s hysterical and the net effect is that it helps John McCain

Heh, yes. This is always their answer when their guy is caught in a scandal. I don't know whether it reflects desperate spin, or a sincere belief that the public itself holds the Democrats and Republicans to different standards.

Yeah. It was a way for them to insult Arianna, hahahaha. It made no sense other than that. They won't hold McSame to the same standards they'd hold a Democrat. It's fine if McSame lies. If he lies and someone hears it, then this is how they'll treat the person who speaks up about it.

This is so revealing about what's wrong with the relationship between the MSM and
political power.

Its all about the cocktail circuit. NO ONE will dare call Cheney out on the issue of torture
as this will make the next White House cocktail party uncomfortable for some.

Sad and pathetic.

And they also get to choose our candidates from primaries.

So long MSNBC. So long AIR AMERICA. So long HuffPost.

Smerconish: "And if two people go out and have a cocktail and talk politics, it’s off limits. That’s the way it ought to be."

- Bullshit, not when you're running for president. If we are going sit around and let our joke of a media all but crucify Obama for stuff his MINISTER said, and hold Hillary accountable for her husbands policies, then what a candidate actually says HIMSELF is ALWAYS perfectly fair game. Hell McStain hasn't even won the election (and hopefully never will) and people are already pulling out "executive privileged" style excuses to cover things up. I don't care if he's saying it to his wife, his cat, or his best friend George W., it's all fair game.

** And I'm with you #2 Drago - I'm 27 and think she's mad hot. Maybe it's time she meets a real maverick that isn't 300 years old and looks like the "Crypt Keeper" and talks out his ass.

Ok well at least the first 2.

What a hoot, whith all the ethical violations that have occured in this administration, Smerconish calls a "dinner code" violation as if some great ethical principle had been broken. Then he ends by claiming the need for "executive priviledge" when talking politics over a drink.

For all the whoring people have done for this administration I think Bush should be remembered as the Pimp President.

What a schmuck. Matthews is reminded that McCain will continue the disastrous occupation that is helping to take down our country's economy as we speak, the occupation/invasion that has taken hundreds of thousands of lives already AND HE WHINES BECAUSE THE TOPIC IS A DOWNER. Makes some sad ass joke about tries to be funny "I'm going to someone with a sense of humor."

I don't even know what to say. My finger quivers over the caps lock again. We are talking about refugees and destoryed towns and dead families and all
over
a
lie
and a delusion that we dont' even have the courage to discuss or defend or condemn anymore.

And the Big Deal Press just sniffles and whines about someone killing their newsbuzz with all this talk of war.

"I'm trying to talk about the most trivial thing and you're taking it all serious" is the gist of Dipshit Matthews' complaint and how dare he be proud of the fact that he's being paid seven figures a year to supposedly inform the public and instead hems haws and chuckles over inconsequential topics while genocide is committed in Our Dear Lord Petroleum's name.

Sickening psychopathic clowns with cameras.

Leslie [Hussein] @ 32:

Karen @ 26:

Regardless of the impropriety of the comparison, what the hell does it mean, exactly? As we all know, hookers should not give up their johns? Only the hookers belong in jail? What a bizarre analogy.

Smerconish:

I think it’s hysterical and the net effect is that it helps John McCain

Heh, yes. This is always their answer when their guy is caught in a scandal. I don't know whether it reflects desperate spin, or a sincere belief that the public itself holds the Democrats and Republicans to different standards.

Yeah. It was a way for them to insult Arianna, hahahaha. It made no sense other than that. They won't hold McSame to the same standards they'd hold a Democrat. It's fine if McSame lies. If he lies and someone hears it, then this is how they'll treat the person who speaks up about it.

It's amazing, isn't it?

Seriously, if we carried this analogy out, Smerconish is saying, "Look, Arianna, when McCain says things to you, you have to remember that you are essentially his whore. And the relationship between a john and his whore is a sacred one. The whores are expected to keep the confidence of the johns who feel safe to confess things in their arms."

I find it interesting that the fellow thinks the impropriety is in the telling and not in the act!!!! It says a lot about what kind of people these are and why so many of these people think Washington is their own Sodom and Gomorah. His response to Matthews question shows that he thinks it is perfectly okay to screw around, just not for the tool you're screwing to tell anyone. Talk about being out of touch with the common, God fearing, bible thumping Christians they are trying to woo.

And isn't that response an admission?

foolme1ns @ 38:

I find it interesting that the fellow thinks the impropriety is in the telling and not in the act!!!! It says a lot about what kind of people these are and why so many of these people think Washington is their own Sodom and Gomorah. His response to Matthews question shows that he thinks it is perfectly okay to screw around, just not for the tool you're screwing to tell anyone. Talk about being out of touch with the common, God fearing, bible thumping Christians they are trying to woo.

I wouldn't be so sure. What makes you think that isn't exactly the position of so much of their base?

;)

I guess what I find amusing about this is the strange assumption that hookers somehow have an ethical obligation not to out johns. The moral outrage that prostitute might actually publicly divulge the sexual kinks of otherwise upstanding pillars of the community is so... naive. And revealing.

Hey, Karen! Was looking for you the other day, could have used your legalistic viewpoint... How's it going?

Karen @ 37:

It's amazing, isn't it?

Seriously, if we carried this analogy out, Smerconish is saying, "Look, Arianna, when McCain says things to you, you have to remember that you are essentially his whore. And the relationship between a john and his whore is a sacred one. The whores are expected to keep the confidence of the johns who feel safe to confess things in their arms."

Exactly. What a disgusting display on a "news" channel. So insulting to women, which makes it OK and funny. I can't watch Tweety anymore.

nonny mouse @ 41:

Hey, Karen! Was looking for you the other day, could have used your legalistic viewpoint... How's it going?

Hey there Ms. Mouse. Oh, I'm hangin' in there. You?

You can always e-mail me, by the way. ;)

Mike Smer and Joe Scar couple of latte sipping pansy liars for hire
and one of them conspired to murder a female staffer. I wonder which one?

I'm hanging in there, fingernails and all, Karen. I know I could always email you - you're on my list of Blog Buddies on my teeny-tiny blog site. (I really need to go put a new story on it soon... been busy.)

Question was (and sorry for going off-topic, site monitors!), how legally viable would this scenario be? Two weeks before the election, Bush grants Cheney a blanket presidential pardon for any and all crimes that may or may not have been committed during his tenure as VP. Then he promptly resigns as President. Whereupon Cheney becomes President, and grants Bush a similar blanket pardon, thus neatly defeating any subsequent attempt at the next administration (presumably Obama's at this point) at criminal prosecution.

It's not like Bush or Cheney give a shit about McCain's chances, nor do they care about the voters, or the country, or anything other than their own skins and bank accounts. What's to stop them from a last big CYA-fest?

I'm sorry to be inconsequential, but I'm with Drago @ 2. I am now so old and run down that I have almost no testosterone production at all, but I never fail to notice that Arianna Huffington IS "a smokin hot older broad."

She's smart as a whip too, with her heart in the right place.

Chris Matthews' last year in broadcasting can be summed up in TWO NAMES:

Ann Coulter and Tom Delay.

Try this thought experiment: Imagine either Hillary or Barack had done the equivalent: Imagine either of them had told Dennis Miller and Michael Medved that they hadn't voted for Gore in 2000, and now he or she is seen embracing Gore and denying the anti-Gore vote story.

Not only would Tweety & Co. not equate Miller and Medved to whores, they would trumpeting this as a serious story 24/7, declaring it to be a character-defining moment in the campaign and absolutely devastating to the Dem candidate. Once again, IOKIYAR.

Leslie [Hussein] @ 31:

ConcernedCanuck @ 29:

Leslie [Hussein] @ 24:

ConcernedCanuck @ 18:
In this instance, what she said about McSame was repeated by two other people. How is it her credibility is being questioned? And she's being called a prostitute by these sexist buffoons, who call themselves journalists on the national news?

Why is she on in the first place again? Because she's made herself a celebrity. What has she done to prove herself an expert on anything? Oh ya, she married a rich person. And now has written a book. Witnesses or not, she is tiring to listen to and does not offer anything new to discussions. McCain lies and flip flops? Wow, there's a shocker.

So what about Arianna!? This is about McSame, who's running for president.

In all probability, McStain will be the next Prez. It's quite obvious by all the reporting and kid glove handling. Arianna pointing out the obvious, isn't going to change any voter's minds. You, I and most C&L posters already know he's a flip flopping liar. Having someone with the credibility of Arianna pointing it out, does little to nothing. That's not saying I agree with their handling of her on television. BUT, anyone that has seen the erosion of her website knows that she does little or nothing to help the Dems or the progressives. Most people see her as an arrogant wealthy insider that blows in the wind like a politician.

Having seen how HuffPo has been deliberately manufacturing lies trying to paint the entire Clinton campaign as a bunch of racists for months, this doesn't surprize me a bit. She was a total McCain fan in 2000 even inviting him to be the keynote speaker at the shadow convention she organized. Now she is stating McCain didn't vote for Bush, thats not going to hurt McCain, it will help him with people who hate Bush which is most of America. I think she is still a McCain supporter just with Obama now so she can ensure McCain an easy win.

Bob in PA @ 48:

Try this thought experiment: Imagine either Hillary or Barack had done the equivalent: Imagine either of them had told Dennis Miller and Michael Medved that they hadn't voted for Gore in 2000, and now he or she is seen embracing Gore and denying the anti-Gore vote story.

Not only would Tweety & Co. not equate Miller and Medved to whores, they would trumpeting this as a serious story 24/7, declaring it to be a character-defining moment in the campaign and absolutely devastating to the Dem candidate. Once again, IOKIYAR.

Correction: Tweety and Smershnish would never compare men to whores.

So, when Obama goes to a private gathering in San Francisco and says something about bitterness among folks in the Rust Belt, Matthews and other dipshit pundits take him to task for it. When McCain is caught in a lie, he gets a pass and those who out him are likened to whores. Sorry, Chris, but your buddy McCain is the whore. With a capital "W."

nonny mouse @ 45:

I'm hanging in there, fingernails and all, Karen. I know I could always email you - you're on my list of Blog Buddies on my teeny-tiny blog site. (I really need to go put a new story on it soon... been busy.)

Question was (and sorry for going off-topic, site monitors!), how legally viable would this scenario be? Two weeks before the election, Bush grants Cheney a blanket presidential pardon for any and all crimes that may or may not have been committed during his tenure as VP. Then he promptly resigns as President. Whereupon Cheney becomes President, and grants Bush a similar blanket pardon, thus neatly defeating any subsequent attempt at the next administration (presumably Obama's at this point) at criminal prosecution.

It's not like Bush or Cheney give a shit about McCain's chances, nor do they care about the voters, or the country, or anything other than their own skins and bank accounts. What's to stop them from a last big CYA-fest?

Would such moves be legal? Pretty much. When Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon, the pardon was a "blanket" one, applying to any and all crimes that Nixon "has committed or may have committed or taken part in." (There's no need to add in "may not have committed.")

Remember though, the presidential pardon is limited to federal crimes. The president has no jurisdiction to pardon somebody convicted of violating state law. So, if something like your scenario happened, it would tie the next president's Justice Department from prosecuting Bush and Cheney itself, but would not prevent it from handing over anything it uncovers in an investigation to any state authority willing to prosecute the thugs if their actions arguably violated state laws.

It might be a stretch to argue that, but given the sheer obviousness of what the two would have been up to, there just might be someone at some level of government willing to exploit whatever laws there were to get them on something.

In addition, the presidential pardon power does not apply to any crime for which a person has been impeached. So, Congress could, if it wanted to, prevent such a scenario by impeaching Cheney for something. (I know, I know.)

Oh, and.......Smerconish is an idiot -- back on topic. ;)

nonny mouse @ 40:

I guess what I find amusing about this is the strange assumption that hookers somehow have an ethical obligation not to out johns. The moral outrage that prostitute might actually publicly divulge the sexual kinks of otherwise upstanding pillars of the community is so... naive. And revealing.

How DOES someone come to know the intricacies of hooker/john etiquette? On the creepy scale, it doesn't seem far from the guy who knows WAY too much about 'Age of Consent' laws.

"The Dinner Code" what an interesting concept. Tell the truth over dinner and lie to us the rest of the time.

yeah, and on the hooker thing...i mean its so wrong in so many ways i dont know what to say except the fact that these two get paid what they do to talk to millions says SO much about our culture. such extreme misogyny is standard fare it seems.

Chris Matthews believes.......

that cocktail party conversations with members of the press ought to be confidential;

that cocktail party conversations with members of the press should be treated as though the conversant is a john and the press member a hooker;

that Ed Schultz' admittedly bad joke about McCain's memory was so low it was worthy of serious cross examination;

that Ed Schultz is too serious, and should stop talking about serious issues when Matthews just wants to have a good time on the air;

that Smerconish demonstrated a sense of humor in this clip, and that he was thus more worth the conversation he wanted to have.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Chris Matthews should be tarred and feathered.

Karen @ 57:

Chris Matthews believes.......

that cocktail party conversations with members of the press ought to be confidential;

that cocktail party conversations with members of the press should be treated as though the conversant is a john and the press member a hooker;

that Ed Schultz' admittedly bad joke about McCain's memory was so low it was worthy of serious cross examination;

that Ed Schultz is too serious, and should stop talking about serious issues when Matthews just wants to have a good time on the air;

that Smerconish demonstrated a sense of humor in this clip, and that he was thus more worth the conversation he wanted to have.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Chris Matthews should be tarred and feathered.

As if Tweety and Smersh would ever call themselves whores. LOL.

SteveinSC @ 17:

CatAtomic @ 12:

Huh? How is this not a major blow to Matthews' credibility? I hear "journalists" like Matthews say this sort of thing with some regularity-- that when they're just socializing with these politicians, it's off the record.

Media people should not be golfing with these politicians, or drinking with them, or seeing sports games with them. They should not be pals, and they most certainly should not be allowed to put their chummy relationships with public figures ahead of their coverage. But here, Matthews not only admits to doing that, but says it's some sort of waning *ideal*.

Ugh.

I used to watch tweety a bit because he was against the war. He is, however, the real whore. Simply watch the way he sucks up to the guests, particularly the "important" right wingers. Spewing faux complements and transparent sycophancy so the flattered will come back on his program. A self-serving prostitute turning a tick or two to keep his ratings alive. He is vile. I have ceased watching the spitting asshole. I count the minutes until Keith.

So true, I totally agree. Matthews is a pain to watch, so I blog during that hour.

Karen@57:
Chris Matthews believes...
that cocktail party conversations with members of the press should be treated as though the conversant is a john and the press member a hooker:...

I'm not sure if I agree with you on who's the hooker and who's the john in this scenario. It's like they both exhibit the worst traits of hookers and johns at the same time. Neither parties are 'otherwise respectable pillars of the community.' And nobody has a heart of gold.

Smerconish is a dirty old man trying to peddle his gutter ways to the public. Who the hell knows these things about hookers? What a fool.

mathews and smearshithead are fucking stupid bought and paid for liars.
I don't know why anyone watches any of the TV "news" fools they cannot be trusted or believed about anything!

joeedugan @ 61:

Karen@57:
Chris Matthews believes...
that cocktail party conversations with members of the press should be treated as though the conversant is a john and the press member a hooker:...

I'm not sure if I agree with you on who's the hooker and who's the john in this scenario. It's like they both exhibit the worst traits of hookers and johns at the same time. Neither parties are 'otherwise respectable pillars of the community.' And nobody has a heart of gold.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. I placed the press member as the hooker because the press member is the one who reveals what the conversant tells him/her. The analogy began with the hooker revealing the john's confession.

But what, really, is the normative difference between the prostitute and the one who solicits him/her anyway? If you ask me, each one is simply using sex as a commodity. One's buying; the other's selling. And who cares? As long as it's consensual, it's a private matter, and, in my opinion, should be neither illegal nor stigmatized.

So, ultimately, I don't understand Smerconish's analogy at all. Which is what I said in my first comment.

Karen @ 64:

joeedugan @ 61:

Karen@57:
Chris Matthews believes...
that cocktail party conversations with members of the press should be treated as though the conversant is a john and the press member a hooker:...

I'm not sure if I agree with you on who's the hooker and who's the john in this scenario. It's like they both exhibit the worst traits of hookers and johns at the same time. Neither parties are 'otherwise respectable pillars of the community.' And nobody has a heart of gold.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. I placed the press member as the hooker because the press member is the one who reveals what the conversant tells him/her. The analogy began with the hooker revealing the john's confession.

But what, really, is the normative difference between the prostitute and the one who solicits him/her anyway? If you ask me, each one is simply using sex as a commodity. One's buying; the other's selling. And who cares? As long as it's consensual, it's a private matter, and, in my opinion, should be neither illegal nor stigmatized.

So, ultimately, I don't understand Smerconish's analogy at all. Which is what I said in my first comment.

The point was to call Huffington a whore and dismiss what she had to say. "Hahaha!" The analogy itself doesn't have to make sense. Or course, these gentlemen of the MSM would never whore themselves for a few cocktails and hors d'oeuvres, where there was no understanding of confidentiality, by reporting that McSame is a liar.

Who the fuck is Smerconish and why does he know so much about da hookas?

A bunch of prostitutes, projecting.

The Republican pundit fails to reply to the question but goes on to relay an untruth. Witnesses say McDrain voted for "Other than bush" and it is not refuted, only that he has a right to vote for whomever, which is his right except when he says he did not vote for
bush then implies he did. LIAR and COVERUP. Mathews- did you not hear this in your interview? Thank you for the comedy but the rest of the world does not get the 'HUMOR"

I think Chris should have Ariana on his show to ask her his hardballs questions.
Oh that's right she called people like Matthews and Russert poo poo heads so she can't be on his show or any MSNBC shows.That'll show her.

Policy Memo: We will talk about Huffington but no put her on the show.
That would like reportin or something.

Get me Anne Coulter's number somebody.

There's definitely some seriously insane double standards going on. Obama is crucified for every remark he makes or even for remarks he doesn't make - McCain can be caught red handed lying and it's no big deal.

Maybe Chris is just embarrassed because he himself did vote for Bush in 2000. I seem to recall hearing him say so on Hardball once, but I've Googled and can't find an original source, just lots of others making the claim as if it were conventional wisdom. But I know his brother was quoted as saying that Tweety voted for Bush in 2000 (basically because he didn't like Gore, if I recall correctly) in a Washington Post story a few years back about the brother, a Republican who was running for some office in Pa. (I've read the article before, but the one link I found on Google won't work for me now. Article was from March 23, 2004, in Washington Post. Maybe it's too old to get without buying access to the archives. Google it yourselves and maybe it'll work better for you.)

And Smerconish is an idiot. Of course McCain had no good reason to vote for Bush in 2000 after the way he was treated; it would have been perfectly understandable. But how does it make him a maverick when he went right back to him like an abused spouse and sucked up to him, abandoned his own "principles" to embrace every wrongheaded item on the GOP agenda that he knows is wrong but doesn't have enough integrity to buck? That he could shun the 2000 Bush, before all the screwups and that disaster of an administration, and still embrace the 2004 Bush and the 2008 Bush makes him even more pathetic.

All republicans are liars and cannot be trusted.

A well known fact but dumbasses still vote for them.

Just when I think that Matthews and/or Scarborough can't wallow any deeper, they prove to the world that they can.

Well, those two can just wallow down to China, for all I care.

IF YOU WANT TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE.....

MAKE CERTAIN THAT YOU ALWAYS REFER TO JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN

WITH INCLUDING HIS MIDDLE NAME....

........THE CHURCH HATES IT... HIS HANDLERS HATE IT.... THEY DONT WANT THE PARTY AND THE CANDIDATE IN THE SAME SENTENCE......... NOTICE HOW MCCAIN (THE REPUBLICAN) NEVER WEARS HIS PARTY LIKE THE LAPEL PIN THEY ARE.

markfrommanhattan @ 69:

I think Chris should have Ariana on his show to ask her his hardballs questions.
Oh that's right she called people like Matthews and Russert poo poo heads so she can't be on his show or any MSNBC shows.That'll show her.

Policy Memo: We will talk about Huffington but no put her on the show.
That would like reportin or something.

Get me Anne Coulter's number somebody.

I would imagine that it's posted on every bathroom wall from Washington State to Schenectady..

Smerkonish is a funny looking fucking ass clown! How this weasley little fist fucker can call anyone a prostitute--or anything else for that matter--is amazing! I hate MSNBC for even giving the little ass-roid a pulpit! What's wrong with the so-called liberal news media? CNN hires Glenn Beck and Tony Snowe, MSNBC has Smerkonish, Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough. Fox hires Karl Rove...totally expected! What's wrong with this picture? And don't even mention Alan Colmes, because he's probably doing Sean Hannity's laundry after the show!

bitter Edwin Hussein @ 24:

If Arianna were a male, they'd be calling her latte-sipping-pansy today. Is it really necessary to say she's a hooker? How about just disagreeing?

Because by not "politely disagreeing", Matthews and his conservative moronic pals are free to demean Arianna any way they wish--by likening her to (gasp) a prostitute (to use the polite term), and minimize her credibility, after all she's only a woman-"smoking hot" or not. All of this nonsensical crap diverts one's attention from the actual truth: The fact that Mcturd did not vote for Bush in 2000. Oh, but I forgot, the Repugs are going to put that on a bumper sticker soon, so it's all good.
Woman-hating is all the rage these days. Yeah, her site has gone downhill, but that does not merit comments such as she's a "ho" etc. The opposite is true: it is far past time for "the john" to be "outed" as the prostitute seeking sex.

Non story.
He probably just said that to be a part of the in-crowd at the party.

The bigger story, pun intended, is how dull and lame Ed Shultz is on t.v. Man, this guy is boring. You like Obama, we get it. You sound like Rush, we get it. You're not that good. We get it.

Uh, it wasn't Arianna who revealed this, it was John McCain. He's the one who said it in public. If he didn't want people to know who he voted for, he should have STFU. He's an idiot, as well as being crazy and utterly devoid of integrity.

Figures. Chris Matthews has been setting off my gaydar for awhile now. Now it's ringing like it's at a gay pride parade.
Matthews has a hard-on for any old Republican white man. Maybe he has some issues with his daddy. Maybe daddy spanked him too many times- or many mommy did too many times.
"This is the change you’ve been waiting for."
Sure, Chris Matthews, another 4 years of Bush is really a change? Right....

Ariana: John McCain is a whore!

Tweety: No, Ariana ia a whore!

C&L: Tweety is a whore!

John McCain: Nanny nanny boo boo! I'm rubber and you're glue. . . .

Joe Sixpack: With all these whores around why do I always have to take it up the ass?

And now a word from our sponsor, Exxon Mobil: Shut up and bend over!

The quote from matthews

"I used to love that rule that where you’re out having fun with each other, you weren’t sitting there with radios, you weren’t quoting them, you weren’t going to screw them in the morning. I mean, that’s the world I like to live in, but I have learned everything you say can be used against you."

That quote just goes to show that the media personalities and the politicians have grown too close for our contirys good and that thye have lost all objectivity.

Uh oh, they violated the "dinner code", what about the "church code" where you don't go after a man for things his minister may have said in the confines of a church (without even directly communicating with the cadidate?)..

But "dinner" is sacred. That's comedy gold. How will dinner being more sacred than a church sermon play with Matthew's "middle armeria" or OReilly's "the folks"? I'm guessing they won't quite understand the washington value system.

Please let there be a headline, "Pundits suggest dinner more sacred than church".

First rule of dinner, you don't talk about dinner.

First rule of church, whatever the minister says, you may as well have said yourself.

Hmmm, methinks I sense a disturbance in the force.

Wow. Just wow. So it’s inappropriate to point out hypocrisy on the part of a man running for the highest office in the country...

That is what partisanship is all about. Cheerleading.

Right wing blog, left wing blog- both do the same thing. Both wings are hypocrits.
Both wings trash the other guy, even over small things. It is all part of the game.

All republicans are liars and cannot be trusted.

A well known fact but dumbasses still vote for them.

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all polititians are liars. people still vote for them.

arianna is de smartest and most beautiful woman in de whole vide vorld. Just ask her if you don't believe me...

If this story had been about Hillary Matthews would've loved it and pointed out that it makes her look like an opportunistic scumbug but it's about McCain so it's just plain wrong and unimportant.

Yawn , just wait until Clinton is out of the way and the Dems can focus on going after McCain and the Repugs , you ain't seen anything yet , shock and awe .

File this under who cares who McNitwit voted for.

Hookers outing johns? I'm surprised no one made the connection between Tweety's comments and the mysterious suicide of the D.C. Madame who was about to name names. Was this Tweety's not too subtle way of saying that Arianna should keep her mouth shut if she knows what's good for her?

The "rule" that assholes like Matthews and Russert don't remember is that
you DON'T sit around and "have fun" with these people. Not if you want to be
an objective reporter.

It's alright to use what Rev. Wright said, but don't use what McInsane said about not voting for the chimp. WAFU group of reporters.

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