Open Thread
By bluegal Tuesday May 13, 2008 10:30pm
Some helpful advice from the authorities. I guess Nancy Reagan's "Just say no" program is so 1981. Open thread below....
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We the people…FIRST!
Or we'll take 'em and sell them to someone else!!!
but....but....it's so boring in there man.
Many people who commit Civil Disobedience are unaware that if they are arrested with prescription drugs in their possesion that they will be charged for being in possesion of a controled substance. Later the charges will be dropped, but the media will report the charges and thus discredit the protesters in the eyes of many.
Bush once again lies about torture, coincidentally around the same time a new report says we drug detainees. Cindy McCain profited off of genocide in Sudan. Chicago gives in and decides to bring back the choking of dinner-I mean ducks. Over 600,000 Ford trucks have crappy brakes.
Golf? Gulf? Goof? Every time Bush opens his mouth, he weakens the nation... With a salute to Moe Stooge.
What Nancy meant was " just say no to voting for your own interests " .
Release my Tax records?
WASHINGTON — Cindy McCain, whose husband has been a critic of the violence in Sudan, sold off more than $2 million in mutual funds whose holdings include companies that do business in the African nation.
The sale on Wednesday came after The Associated Press questioned the investments in light of calls by John McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, for international financial sanctions against the Sudanese leadership.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/14/cindy-mccain-sells-sudan_n_1017...
Alaska is the first to hit the $4 average.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080515/ts_nm/energy_gasoline_alaska_dc
They have wells and refineries don't they?
Then there is no reason why gas should cost so much unless someone is fucking with them and us.
Never leave home without them.
hello?
Does that mean that I have to leave my Effexor XR at home as well? I mean, it is the change I deserve. ;)
Does this seem weird to anyone else?
http://news.yahoo dot com/s/nm/20080515/ts_nm/energy_gasoline_alaska_dc
GOP government: Leave integrity, and budget surpluses at the door.
the few times my hometown gets in the news...
DC @ 8:
Did you know that five Supreme Court Justices had to recuse themselves from a case involving the right of people to sue American corporations who had been involved in supporting Aparthied in South Africa because these same five Supreme Court Justices are heavily invested in these same companies?
The case is now moot because you need six justices to hear the case.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 4:
The war on drugs is an unmitigated disaster. Your paragraph highlights but one of the many pernicious side effects (pun intended) of our idiotic and lethally counterproductive response to a demand that will never go away.
We need to abandon our penchant for illegalizing everything we don't like. In the land of the free, you can't go a day without breaking one law or another.
Oh, how I long for a civil libertarian, socially progressive political party.
Interesting
http://www.diversityj.com/ElectoralVoteStates.html
Hi Karen! :)
Can you eloborate on this Supreme Court Case i just mentioned?
California's Supreme Court decides on gay marriage tomorrow.
"Barack Obama passed off a reporter today in Michigan, and she seemed less than amused by his name for her.
"Hold on one second there, sweetie," he says.
The reporter signed off: "This sweetie never did get an answer to that question."
Just drink the kool aid sweetie.
So much for the war on drugs. I guess the war is if you bring them into a courtroom but everywhere else...........have at it I guess!
L.A. Confidential @ 17:
The Democratic primary results for each state are hardly indicative of how the state will vote in the general election.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 4:
Where have you been X? Your name was being bandied back and forth today on eariler threads. If we were in 21228 I'd say meet me at the Crab Shanty for some crabs and beer!
getalife @ 20:
I get called sweetie all the time. I never take offense.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 18:
Actually, I'm not familiar with it. Do you have a citation? Or a link?
It sounds like a case about "standing," a matter of Constitutional case law.
Saint Augustine @ 23:
Not in the mood to read all the threads. I hope it was not too terrible.
Karen @ 25:
I heard about it on NPR. I have not read about it yet.
getalife @ 20:
Your incessant whining about Obama has grown comical.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 26:
Wow, what a day. I thought that earlier thread after Edwards threw in with Obama that tyree and some others were going to duke it out. How is everyone?
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 27:
Apparently i heard the outcome wrong.
"The Supreme Court ruled Monday that it would allow lawsuits to proceed against more than 50 U.S. and foreign corporations for their connection to South Africa's racist apartheid policies. Jeffrey Rosen, professor of law at George Washington University, explains the impact of the decision."
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 24:
Karen @ 22:
That's the great thing about the SuperDelegates. They are accountable to no one. No matter what they say today, they can change their mind tomorrow.
LibertyLover @ 31:
oops.
Real sweeties never do... ;)
L.A. Confidential @ 32:
Those are the rules, yes. I'm not sure how yours constitutes a response to what I said, but those are the rules.
Certain states limit divorce.
Nice of you to say so, a lot of people here have seen my fangs.
Tequila @ 35:
Reno.
Karen @ 22:
True but the data on swing states is quite illuminating.
My question is, if all those people who support Hillary would vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee, what does that say about Hillary?
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution
Nothing terrible, just talk about points you had brought up the day before, along those lines. I guess people remember you by a part of your name, One White Vote for Obama.
Saint Augustine @ 41:
He's not by himself.
Karen @ 22:
I agree with that. Obama will surely carry California, Pennsylvania,New York,Massachusettes,all of which went to Clinton.
It is very possible that Obama can take: Michigan,Ohio,Florida, and Indiana, and 2 or 3 states in the solid south.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 40:
The people who have currently won primaries for Hillary account for 295 electoral votes and counting. Well beyond the 270 needed to capture the Presidency.
Peter G @ 38:
It's not all that illuminating. The fact that people who voted in the swing states' Democratic primaries preferred Sen. Clinton to Sen. Obama does not necessarily indicate how the state will vote in the general election. It illuminates nothing about how independents who did not vote in the Democratic primaries will vote in the general. It illuminates nothing about how Democrats who did not vote in the primaries will vote in the general. And, on its own, it illuminates nothing about how the Democrats who voted for Clinton in those primaries are likely to vote in the general election.
If we really want to know how states are likely to vote in the general election, we have to use random samples of all of those eligible in the general election in those states.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 40:
It wouldn't take a whole lot of them to swing to McCain to make a crucial difference x. Most will probably support Obama but given the terrible insults that have been heaped on them by fellow democrats I wouldn't be surprised if many did. I realize that this argument cuts both ways but at this point, as the presumptive nominee it is up to Obama and his supporters to start the fence mending. Too many just don't get that.
L.A. Confidential @ 44:
But you can't use the Democratic primaries to judge how the states will vote in the general. It just doesn't translate.
L.A. Confidential @ 44:
Oh, you must be counting Florida and Michigan which were disqualified for breaking the rules; where Hillary's name was on the ballot but Obama's was not.
Good thinking.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 48:
Obama was on the ballot in Florida.
Peter G @ 46:
Not sure who called Hillary what, why don't you enlighten me?
I was told by Hillary i would never vote for Obama because of the color of my skin and i resent that.
Major hedge fund to enter commodities market to drive oil prices to $200.
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSSP14850120080514
when will we be fed up enough to call a national strike?
1Watt @ 51:
I am ready, been ready for over two years.
Karen @ 49:
He did not campaign in Florida because of the status of Florida delegates.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 48:
The SuperDelegates cannot end it. They do not have the power and cannot vote until the Convention.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 48:
Michigan and Florida would be in play. But he's also counting states which large electoral votes like Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Arizona which would not be in play for either candidate.
L.A. Confidential @ 54:
Hillary can end it.
Peter G @ 46:
I think the fence-mending has begun. Sen. Clinton is talking more about how voting for McCain over Obama would be a dire mistake. Obama has been talking more about how Clinton is a good Senator, and how the party is better for having her in it.
Sen. Clinton will not bow out now, and frankly, nobody gains from her doing so. She is going to win some primaries whether she withdraws or not, and there is no way for her to withdraw in any face-saving manner at this point.
The contest will come down to the end. If Sen. Obama does not have an outright majority of delegates after the last primary, Sen. Clinton will make her pitch to the superdelegates. If she does not think she can sway them, I imagine she will not try to at the convention. And she will campaign for Sen. Obama, persuading her supporters as best she can to vote for him against McCain.
It is indeed incumbent upon Obama's supporters not to gloat to Clinton's. Obama's supporters need to welcome them into his campaign to beat the Republicans, and into a long-term progressive movement.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 56:
The only thing that can stop Hillary in this campaign is the SuperDelegates. And they can't do it until the Convention, because no matter what they say today or tomorrow, they can always change their mind.
1Watt @ 51:
Next week some time after the season finale of American Idol.
Karen @ 57:
I think the point that everyone is missing is that the election is still 6 months away. Can anyone recall what the discussion was about this race on both sides back in November and where your passion and feelings were for any candidate?
All of the ups and downs that occurred between November and now will occur between now and November. When, how, and why Hillary finally exited the race will be a distant memory when the contest comes down to Democrats vs. Republicans and the stakes is the future of the United States and everyone in it.
Radically Moderate @ 53:
But his name was on the ballot. That's all I was pointing out.
States that violate the calendar are supposed to automatically lose half their delegates, not necessarily all of them.
In any case, I don't trust the state of Florida to run any election any more. ;)
Ruthless People @ 59:
NEVER. The myth of America is that everyone is upset and angry. The reality is that no matter how bad things get, most people are content with their lives and possess a sucker's hope that things will be better tomorrow.
I don't ever expect the American people to react and respond to anything that's going on until it's too late.
L.A. Confidential @ 58:
L.A. is right about this x
and with this i bid you all gn and be well.
From a McCain group:
"We will attack Obama viciously on all fair issues, whether they are national security, whether they are taxes or the economy," promised Chris LaCivita, one of the Republican strategists behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that attacked Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry in 2004. LaCivita added: "At the end of the day, every individual has a right to participate in the political process whether John McCain likes it or not. It's their constitutional right."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/13/AR200805...
L.A. Confidential @ 58:
Could you say that one more time?
1Watt @ 51:
This sounds like the same venture that brought down Enron.
So JP Morgan plans to globalize the Enron model of energy price fixing to increase dividends for it's private investors?
Out-f%#king-standing.
I may be mistaken but having the status of hedge fund might exempt JP Morgan from regulatory controls that energy companies have to abide by.
Does anyone know about this?
Mister Anderson @ 60:
That's very true. Iowa was only four and a half measly months ago. Two weeks is an eternity in politics. We have many eternities to go, and we do not know what issues will be on the minds of voters come November. Almost any Democrat can beat Gone InSane with the right campaign.
Very true also, but it will still be incumbent upon Sen. Clinton to actively campaign for Sen. Obama, as it will be incumbent upon Sen. Obama's supporters not to gloat. We do need to close ranks.
In 1988, around this time, Gov. Dukakis had secured the nomination, but Rev. Jackson had been giving him a run for his money. Dukakis was also leading Vice President Bush in the national polls. But Jackson barely campaigned for Dukakis, which hurt him with the African American vote in the general. The Republicans used what are now known as Swift Boating tactics, and Dukakis thought it would be a good idea to ride around in a tank.
Anything can happen, but we need to close ranks. :)
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 65:
Maybe the super-delegates are aware of this
http://www.diversityj.com/ElectoralVoteStates.html
which clearly shows the will of the people.
So, at that good night.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 50:
You'll have to provide a quote to back that up or I'm just going to laugh at you. As regards who said what about Hillary I've seen her called a bitch, a whore and worse on a daily basis on this site. If you can read you have too. None of the anti-Obama retards have approached this level of toxicity. Nor do I recall posters calling the people who voted for Obama ignorant hillbilly morons on a daily basis just for having voted for him. I've issued the challenge on numerous occasion for people to actually show me a quote by Clinton that evinces racism. No takers yet. Usually all you get is some crap about someone who said...yada. I'm not so much concerned with what people call Hillary as the effect it will have on the voters who support.
It seems remarkably stupid to villify people whose votes Obama must have to win in November.
Just to add. I read Mr Anderson's post and he is absolutely right about the fence mending at the candidate level. This needs to filter down to the rank and file right speedily.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 40:
give us a number !how many would you estimate your comment covers xoites or is that assumed to be an attack , damit numbers man!
"Anything can happen, but we need to close ranks".
Karen @67
As an Independant voter I have been astounded by the vitriolic postings on this site towards the Democratic camps seperated by their affiliation with either Barack or Hillary.
It seems very likely to me that the Dems will take all three branches of government in November, however it could be the infighting within the ranks of supporters that could doom the Dems from overpowering the Repugs in November.
Karen, if I may paraphrase your statement: We need to close ranks, because anything can happen, might be an understatement of fact.
A little commity and decorum can go a long way toward achieving a history that we can all be proud of.
tyree @ 71:
Not sure numbers are possible at this point or would mean anything. To answers X's question though it would say nothing about Hillary any more than the Obama supporters who've said they won't vote for her if she is the nominee would say anything about Obama. It says nothing about either candidate but says a lot about personal animus and fanaticism.
Peter G @ 70:
One thing that I've always said. I will support the democratic nominee. I was for Edwards before the MSM turned him into a halogram. Then my choice was and is now Obama. If somehow Clinton becomes the nominee, I will vote for her.
Correction @70. That was Karen's post I was reading. Sorry Karen.
Ron @ 74:
I hear you. Edwards was my guy too. I've always liked his populist bent. Some people use populist like it's a dirty word. I don't see that much difference on policy between HRC and Obama. I think Obama would be way better on the foreign policy front. I give Clinton the edge on health care. Flip of a coin on domestic policy. Either one is good for me. I just don't see how Hillary can pull it off now.
Peter G @ 73:
exactly my point , if you want to set yourself up as an authority on hillary clinton or her supporters then get the facts right , and make sure your candidates got clean hands , its true obama voted for the patriot act ! hes said all the same things clintons said protect israel at any cost , nukes are on the table for iran , troops withdrawn from iraq except the ones we need for our interests there will be sent to afganistan ,another meat grinder, a pay as you get screwed health care system where the insurence companys decide if you need a heart by pass, by pass denied! tweek the nafta treety , still not block shipments of goods once made in america by americans just stop giveing them tax breaks for outsourceing your jobs , meanwhile these corporations reap huge profits anyway , promiss great jobs based on a green economy where your job cant be outsourced , hows he going to stop them from being dent to china its not like anything we invent or produce here doesnt allways wind up there and get dumped back here! hell i could go on and on but thiers no difference between clintons views and obamas but keep on dreaming there is folks!
Peter G @ 76:
The next POTUSA will be appointing SCOTUSA which could determin the future of everyone's grandchildren, great grandchidren and their chidren. It is vital that we put our differences aside and vote democratic for the President, the house and the senate.
Ron @ 78:
Ron @ 79:
In terms of the children and grandchildren, everyone ignores the fact that this is being the first war fought on a credit card and it will probably be the most expensive war in history when it's all said and done......even when adjusted for inflation. So all of this talk about economy and taxes, I want to see the tax rate for all Americans in 2020 or 2030 and how many services and benefits will remain.
Any person under 50 who doesn't vote for the Democrat is a damn fool in my opinion.
Mister Anderson @ 80:
I agree 100%.
KMA, GNA!
i find it extreamly funny and maby even redicules that i can say something about clinton and obama being two peas in a pod , both the same kind of politicians , both saying the same political bullshit and you jaspers never get it, do you never listen to thier speaches ? where the fuck have you been ? you bitch about my spelling! my education ! and you insult me because i tell the truth who the hell are you peope anyway? no i dont kiss obamas ring , and i dont slobber over clinton ethier , but i sure as hell see to many others here that do, wise up these goobers will promiss you the moon thier politicians thats what they do, the partys going down because its my way or the highway with you people , your never gettig what you had back once these freaking rich goobers get your vote its allway screw you till the next election and so its on to the convention and we can all tip toe past the bodies of old friends we shit on to get thier ! good luck on that!
tyree @ 83:
if someone bitched about your education, then i would like to apologize....although you should be aware that this site is fixed with a spell check.
however, you should be aware that you are incorrect when you state that obama and clinton are two peas in a pod...they are not the same type of politician, as you should be very aware when you look closely at how they each have run their respective campaigns
clinton expected a coronation on super tuesday
obama had a ground force out in all 50 states from day 0...he took nothing for granted
getalife @ 21:
Oh, I suppose we are to analyze this "sweetie" issue all to hell for the next week or so on CNN. Get a life.
Verizon and AT&T get rewarded for spying on us.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 40:
Hang on here now. The question is about the people, assuming they are true Democrats they should vote for the victorious nominee. I can`t stomach Hillary and her wonderful husband Billy "drop your pants" Clinton, but I would sure cast my ballot for her before McCain. I believe if you cast your vote for McCain over Obama just because the shrew didn`t win ( steal ) the nomination, you are more than likely a full blown closet racist.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 16:
No, interesting.
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 84:
57 states, uncle joe. With one more to go yet, he said. His advisors wouldn't justify him visiting Alaska and Hawaii for time constraints, even though he wanted to go there too.
So technically he had a ground force set up in a total of 60 states.
Tar baby?
In a 20-page memo on GOP electoral woes, Rep. Tom Davis (R-Va.) repeatedly misspells Barack Obama’s name – it’s one R, congressman, not two -- and then manages to use the racially charged term “tar baby” in a paragraph about Obama and immigration.
“Remember,” Davis writes, “Hispanic voters are a swing group in this election and future elections. John McCain, being from a border state, may be out of sync with many Republicans but he has standing among Hispanics. Barrack Obama has not made the sale to Hispanic voters. Thus, this issue is a tar baby for anyone who touches it, with land mines everywhere.”
Republican Election Losses Stir Fall Fears
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and CARL HULSE
After three losses in special Congressional races, some senior Republicans urged their party's candidates to distance themselves from President Bush.
the chinese work to preserve their country and its people:
what are we doing after katrina? playing politics.
so its about oil - no matter what?
House Passes Farm Bill by a Veto-Proof Margin
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
The House approved a five-year, $307 billion farm bill with a solid bipartisan majority while ignoring a veto threat from President Bush.
false flag?
Serving the People vs. Clinging to Power
Posted May 14, 2008 | 11:27 AM (EST)
It's useful to compare the way China handled its national disaster with the way the Burmese handled the cyclone, and the way our Republican administration handled Katrina.
The Chinese premier immediately sent 50,000 troops with every conceivable type of disaster relief equipment to the affected area, and headed them up personally, climbing through the rubble and shouting to those trapped inside that help was on the way.
Since he couldn't put on a uniform and play soldier, Bush just sat on his duff and made speeches, calling on the people to help themselves.
The Burmese junta was willing to let tens of thousands of people die of hunger, thirst, exposure and disease rather than run the risk of letting a foreign 'agitator' into the country.
Shocking, even by Bush standards: 'The U.S. government has injected hundreds of foreigners it has deported with dangerous psychotropic drugs against their will, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday, citing medical records, internal documents and interviews with people who have been drugged.' 5/15
On May 15, 1911, the Supreme Court ordered the dissolution of Standard Oil Company, ruling it was in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.
CoIntelPro against Repug DoucheBaggery @ 98:
Why not just put all your links on one or two posts, CIPD? Like rightwinghater does, the other morning spammer.
Karen @ 23:
What we should all note is that the numbers turning out for the Democratic primaries have been consistently double the numbers for the Republicans, dating back to when the Republican race was still up in the air. The Democratic base is energized, ready to do away with 8 more years of Bush Incompetence Inc. The solidly blue states that voted for Sen. Clinton will vote for Sen. Obama, and he'll put the purple states and some of the red states in play. He'll also have long coattails (and Bush and McBush have whatever the opposite of coattails), so things look really good for November.
Radically Moderate @ 43:
It is more than very possible that Obama can take Michigan. Both Kerry and Gore took Michigan. I live in one of the reddest parts of Michigan (or even the country), and I attended events for both Gore in 2000 and Pres. Clinton in 1996. I have never see the energy that I saw at yesterday's Obama speech. People here are fired up, and I have no doubt that Sen. Obama is going to take Michigan and will make West Michigan purpler than it's been in decades (though most of this area will still be quite red).
Daily Reading pt 1...
The jewel of denial, The delayers' paradox - http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/5/14/101434/798
Needless to say, even this can't happen unless, by 2020, most deniers and delayers and their representatives in Congress come to embrace the painful reality of climate change and the dire necessity for government-led solutions.
So calling deniers by the term "deniers" or calling delayers by the term "delayer-1000s" is quite mild. A far more accurate term is "climate destroyers." Or maybe "extinctionists." Sounds like a plan, that's how I'll refer to them now...
Show Them That You Car, Obama talks up green while courting manufacturers in Michigan - http://grist.org/news/2008/05/14/obama/
He talked up a plan to auction carbon credits (its not a tax...con-servatives, educate yourselves please) and use the funds to boost clean technology (and, in turn, green jobs), and said he would help the U.S. auto industry gain its feet while encouraging investment in hybrids, electric vehicles, and other fuel-efficient cars.
"I don't think that we need to give up on manufacturing," he told the Detroit Free Press. "We need to find new sources of manufacturing jobs. And I think creating green energy jobs and helping the auto industry to retool -- those are all areas with enormous promise."
New Generation of Nuclear Power Plants More Expensive than Expected - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/nuclear-power-plants-more-expens...
The Wall Street Journal reports that new-generation nuclear power plants are going to end up costing quite a bit more than estimates. Not just a few percents, but double to quadruple, or $5 billion to $12 billion a plant.
No Nuclear Power: When Recycling Isn't: Lessons from a Nuclear Industry Conference - http://www.prwatch.org/node/7316
Much of the rhetoric at the NEI conference was similar; it sounded good, until you listened more closely. To the industry executives gathered, issues like nuclear waste and the considerable price tag of and lack of private investment in new plants are challenges, not to be overcome so much as "repositioned" with poll-driven spin and managed via state and federal lobbying campaigns.
This approach has been disturbingly successful to date. With not just our energy policy but also our environmental well-being on the line, hopefully legislators and journalists will start listening more closely and asking more questions.
'It's alarming that an American think tank is distributing misinformation on the most important issue of our time in Canadian schools, to actually create an illusion that there is a scientific debate' - http://www.prwatch.org/node/7301
So called 'Heartland Institute' (Denier/'Skeptic' propaganda 'non-profit' outfit (LOL)) losing audience in U.S. heads north to target Canada
You...know...the same BS shillco front for ExxonMobil (the non 'business' related sister/brother of CEI & AEI) that had 19 of their famous 'Inhofe 400' (James 'wish I had a brain' Inhofe R-Exxon) 'scientists'...err..economists...err...oil lobbyists...stand up at their
annual conference to take a 'group picture'.....(ie, only 19 idiotic saps decided to put their face where their money is coming from....)
Residential Wind Turbines Blow Away Competition - http://www.greentechgazette.com/index.php/wind-energy/residential-wind-t...
Residential wind turbines costing $500 to $700 have come of age, defeating other renewable energy systems for the home on price and efficiency.
Edwards gives long-awaited endorsement to Obama - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080514/ap_on_el_pr/obama_edwards;_ylt=Aic7M...
Was very kind to Hillary and then talked about the future with Obama... Obama 08
Repug Against CoIntelPro Douchebaggery @ 99:
that's pretty ignant of you.
Daily Reading pt 2...
NYT: Republican Election Losses Stir Fall Fears - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/us/politics/15repubs.html?em&ex=121099...
GOP Senate candidate not entirely sure what state he lives in (Mt. Macaca) - http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/05/14/gop-senate-candidate-not-ent...
Bob Shaffer, GOP for Senate, has a new commercial out that commits maybe the most boneheaded mistake I've seen in a political ad. Seriously, this is unbelievable....
Sweet fancy Jesus, does this braying jackass even know what state he lives in? The staff at The Onion are probably sitting around right now wondering how they’re going to top this one.
UPDATE: Anchorage mayor Mark Begich, himself a US Senate candidate (ie, the Democratic Nominee), responds here:
“While Alaskans can understand why Bob Schaffer would promote our beautiful mountain (Mt. McKinley), I hope he doesn’t expect Alaska to cede North America’s highest peak to the State of Colorado.”
You seriously can't write the kind of comedy (of errors) that is the GOP/Republican party...
Eliminating Election Fraud: A simple Precinct/Internet/ PC Excel Solution - http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum...
U.S. detainees drugged for deportation - http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1440034520080514
The U.S. government has injected hundreds of foreigners it has deported with dangerous psychotropic drugs against their will, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday, citing medical records, internal documents and interviews with people who have been drugged.
Involuntary chemical restraint of detainees without medical justification is a violation of some international human rights codes, the Post reported.
Why Obama should be able to win over Hillary's female supporters in the general. - http://www.tnr.com/toc/story.html?id=8871d274-8b04-4d9d-9da4-6e20cc1768d1
I love my future home state: Poll: Obama by 20 points in Oregon - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/14/obama-holds-big-lead-in-...
GOP/Republican 'great economy' Upate: U.S. foreclosure filings surge 65 percent in April - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080514/ap_on_bi_ge/foreclosure_rates;_ylt=A...
GivingUpGolfGate: Steve Young: Satirist Honors George Bush's Golf Sacrifice By Giving Up Satirical Column - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-young/satirist-honors-george-bu_b_10...
4000+ Dead, 30,000 wounded.....and he 'gave up' Golf (George W. Bush: "I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. Thank you. .... Now, watch this drive.")
John Edwards has 18 pledged delegates, and when he endorses Obama, and those delegates go to Obama, that will move him that much closer to the total needed for the nomination.
- http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/14/1021888.aspx
Obama 08
Democratic Candidate Barack Obama has won the endorsement of NARAL Pro-Choice America, a leading abortion rights advocacy organization that has supported rival Hillary Rodham Clinton throughout her political career. (Asked for reaction on media conference call, Clinton spokesman Wolfson says, “Surprised.”)
- http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_ENDORSEMENT?SITE=NYMID&SECT...
Daily Reading pt 3...
'Hillary Clinton on Wednesday reiterated her vow to stay in the Democratic presidential race, but she said it would be a "terrible mistake" for her supporters to vote for John McCain over Barack Obama.'
- http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/14/clinton/index.html
Edwards' nod may help pull blue-collar vote to Obama - http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004415531_edwards15.html
Great picture of Edwards & Obama together Obama 08
John McCain's Incoherent Plan; Which one? The Environment - http://www.americanprogressaction.org/progressreport/2008/05/pr20080514
To those 'moderates' & 'independents' that think McCain gives a damn about global warming & the environment....read this twice and call me in the morning....
As if! Will McCain bring conservatives with him on climate? - http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/5/14/113255/614
"Yes, my fellow Americans, cons-ervatives remain the single biggest obstacle to avoiding catastrophic global warming."
Northern Exposure: Melting Arctic ice poses security threat, says Pentagon - http://grist.org/news/2008/05/14/arctic/
FOX Propaganda News is BuzzFlash Media Putz of the Week FOX NEWS came to mind, again, when we thought about its likely influence, along with Rush Limbaugh, on the likes of older and non-college educated voters in West Virginia. It's because of the likes of FOX that such voters have become known as the "misinformed."
- http://mediaputz.com/08/05/putz0515.html
CoIntelPro against Repug DoucheBaggery @ 103:
One person's 'spam' is another persons education....thanks for the promotion troll... CIPD, Imitation is the sincerest of flattery...
Fixed that.... CIPD, Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
Maybe Algore will come out and endorse Obama so we can end this already???
Bitter for Hussein Obama (aka right wing hater) @ 105:
RWH--
I enjoy your morning news round-ups myself. Haven't got the time to scour for them myself. Thanks.
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 84:
i am aware to of many of you dont listen to ethier candidate when they give a speach if i knew how to drag up all thier old vote for me speaches youd hear the same things being said by both clinton and obama ,jesus your talking style over substance has nothing i said got thru to any of you? even obama said yesterday thiers very little difference in him and clinton and the only difference i see is hes black shes white ,
getalife @ 21:
Yup, Kool-aid should come in a pantsuit-shaped glass.
Repug Against CoIntelPro Douchebaggery @ 99:
I have a better idea, why don't you post on some other site?
fastfeat @ 108:
Thanks fast & you're welcome (its a labor of love), I started doing it for my wife, friends, & family and I figured it would do more good on this site than me feeding trolls & taking up space arguing with brick wall right wingnuts who obviously enjoy their heads in the sand...
BTW: I've gotten many compliments on it and the occasional slam from the wingnuts...its understandable, when you present the evidence and they have nothing to refute it, they attack the messenger...naturally, naturally pathetic...
CoIntelPro against Repug DoucheBaggery @ 95:
It is wise to consider a false flag in ANY attack on Israel, given the history
and the expertise of Mossad in implementing these. If everyone voiced these concerns, it might steal the thunder from a real impending false flag by Mossad disguised with the Iranian flag: This would fool everyone and justify bombing Iran; Moreover if that happened, everyone would vote Republican in the coming elections out of FEAR, which has worked before and would work again. This administration is too devious not to try something outrageous just to allow the Republican party to stay in power. In fact I would expect it.
Truth hurts those who deny it for personal or political gain.
Xoites as usual, you're right on the money...you're one of my favorite regs...
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 114:
jesus xoites you have a way with useing phrases that everyone can agree on but wheres the beef?
Does every friggen thread have to turn into a Hillary Vs. Obama thread. I was hoping to come on this one and read some interesting insight into why the war on drugs is an abject failure, and instead, ten comments down and the Hillary Obama BS starts right up like clockwork.
Jake S. @ 117:
This is an open thread. If you want to discuss the war on drugs please feel free. Being part of the discussion as it unfolds also helps a lot. By now most people have gone on to other topics on newer posts.
CoIntelPro against Repug DoucheBaggery @ 95:
I prefer to let my freak flag fly.
But now maybe boosh will attack Iran, and the Senate can impeach boosh.
ysbaddaden @ 119:
Keep those fingers crossed, ysby. Attacking Iran and all that would entail would be worth it for the spectacle of another impeachment process, wouldn't it?
An Iranian Pyrrhic victory; death and destruction but Bush finally goes down.
Sweeeeet.
&*&^%%$$^&*& Has anyone seen the MSNBC clip of Bush comparing Obama to a Nazi? He delivered a speech in Israel today concerning fear and saying that "talking" to Hamas was like talking to Hilter.
I can barely talk I am so damn mad. When you think Bush cannot possibly be worse he tops himself. Senator Kerry just said if that is his stance, non negotiation, then he (Bush) should come home and fire his &t^*%&^$&%*&^ staff.
So whassup with those baggy shorts with the inseams reaching past the knees; these guys girlfriends lying to them again?
CD @ 9:
It's actually rather more complicated then that. The way the system works is that the Oil Companies buy the oil rights from the State and then they pump the oil out of the ground, which they then own - that's the deal. In return, they pay the state some amount (which is certainly far, far less then the actual value of the oil). Then, each citizen of the State of Alaska (I think you have to live there at least 2 years to qualify) gets a royalty check from the State.
Since the oil companies now own the oil they can charge whatever they like for it. That's capitalism. Right now, oil is selling for $115+ and they can charge $4/gal.
Here in Los Angeles we have oil wells and refineries also. Unlike in Alaska, citizens of CA get NO royalties from the state or oil companies (why - because the land is not owned by the state). Here is Los Angeles I have seen stations charging $4.10/$4.30 for regular and $4.75 for Diesel, for weeks now, perhaps 2 months already- if you look hard you can find $3.95 still at some stations (costco) - so I have a hard time feeling bad for Alaskans whose actual cost of gas should be calculated be first subtracting the royalty check (which I believe is about $1,600/year).
Using an average weekly gas usage budget of about 1.4 tankfulls (about 22.4usg on an average car with a 16gal tank) at a cost of $89/wk comes to $4,652/year. Subtract the $1600 in royalties, ($3,059) and divide by the number of gallons and you get an ACTUAL PRICE PER GALLON of only $2.63.
So, don't cry for the Alaskans, save your tears for us Californians who are getting reamed every day with gas prices consistently higher then the national average.
Oh, also - there are hardly any roads in Alaska, many people use float planes (seaplanes) to get around - that lifestyle may have to come to an end soon as these planes consume huge amounts of fuel compared to a car (about 12 gallons per hour).
120 dennis
I was refering to comment 95 which you so conveniently clipped short:
CoIntelPro against Repug DoucheBaggery @ 95:
Although I'm no drug user (except for alcohol rarely) I'm looking forward to seeing Tommy Chong's documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ruVl_y5mus
Much like everything else, drugs are only ok if you're rich.
Like if you or I get busted for driving drunk or for being under the influence of coke, you or I would go to jail. But if you're related to power and money you go on to be presidunce of the US.
aquarius2 @ 121:
Barack Obama: 'No preconditions with Iran. Peace in our time. It could happen.'
1984 @ 124:
I read an article that said the FBI seized several thousand copies of the documentary the other day. I don't know if that means ALL of them or just those they could find.
MargeAggedon @ 127:
Yeah, I read about it too. All the more reason to see what is really not ok with the documentary.
1984 @ 128:
I totally agree. Sorry if I implied otherwise. I wasn't even aware he was making one until I read about the seizure but now that I know I'll be looking for it on the torrents. Thanks to the interwebs once something gets out there... there's no stopping it.
You just KNOW the documentary is not anti-drug and that's why the 'war on reason' needs to stop it.
Speaking of Drug war the police chief in Mexico (drug dealer) are being thrown out of thier own country and is seeking asylum in US. We just gave the MF 140 million to fight drug trafficing which is a cover to push more drugs. Sound like Mexico wants the money for whatever and are going to tell CIA to finially stop selling drugs to every ones children.
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