Joe Biden on Bush's appeasement statement: 'This is bulls**t.
By John Amato Wednesday May 14, 2008 5:30pm
Senator Joe Biden quickly responded to President Bush's calculated and idiotic attacks in Jerusalem.
"This is bulls**t. This is malarkey. This is outrageous. Outrageous for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, sit in the Knesset ... and make this kind of ridiculous statement,"
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Democrats on Thursday condemned President Bush's insinuation that they would be appeasing terrorist states by holding talks, with one going so far as to call his remarks "bulls**t
Joe Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said that if the president disagrees so strongly with the idea of talking to Iran, then he needs to fire his secretaries of state and defense, both of whom Biden said have pushed to sit down with the Iranians.
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Time for Mr. Bush to have some Dixie Chicken
Iran is not killing our troops - Bush is.
"This is bull$%!@."
Hey, Joe Biden stole my line!
fiver @ 3:
Watch all the weenie bullies on the right now start whining about "disrespect for the President" and "foul language".
Line up the waaaaaaahmbulances.
Boy you shoulda seen the segment right AFTER Biden's. Matthews took some shrill right wing talk radio host to task for reiterating Bush's "appeasement" by simply asking the rightwinger to explain just what exactly Neville Chamberlain did in 1938. The guy didn't know and spent about five minutes wasting everyone's time with hemming and hawwing and vein popping until he had to come clean that he didn't know jack about the subject... I have to say, I cheered Matthews for that. I know we all call him Tweety and stuff, and sometimes he really gets off on a tangent, but his problem - that he's, as Spock might say, "pure emotion"-- is also his strength at times. Today he shut down an empty suit wingjob. You can bet the guy will leak his treatment to Drudge and get the whole thing to Hannity for support.
Seems Biden has hijacked the straight talk express and I like the way he drives.
fiver @ 3:
Lol. I felt the same way.
dear senator biden,
I concur.
- tom wright,
Florence, nj
And the Knesset shouted "encore"! We luvs us some Boooosh!
The dullard should get the boot or keep his ass marginalized till we get a real leader in office, something we had not had since Jan 19, 2001.
Senator Biden stated the obvious but he just did it so damned well. I can say for sure that Senator Biden speaks for me, at least in this case.
Man, if only they had responded like this after he was inaugurated. Ninety nine percent of what he says is bullshit.
[dumbya]
but, but, I was all the way across an ocean. They really couldn’t hear what I said back home, could they?
[scratches head]
Biden points out Gates and Rice both had encouraged talking too, but so did Petraeus, it's central to his counterinsurgency methods - at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/2008/05/talkin-is-hard-work.html
Well...I guess the media has received confirmation on their inquiries last year.
George Bush IS an idiot.
I was watching FOX and CNN, waiting for someone to raise the question as to whether or not it is appropriate for the President of the United States to go before a foreign nation's Parliament and take political cheap shots at the American Democratic candidate for President. Needless to say, I'm still waiting. Instead it's the Democrats who have to go on the defensive and explain why they feel this was such an outrageously stupid thing to do. Leave it to Chimpy; All he had to do was fly to Israel, go before the Knesset, kiss some Israeli ass and sing the praises of the State fo Israel on its 60th aniversary. That's all. A rookie Foreign Services officer could have handled the assignment. Not Chimpy - no sir! He's gotta start running his mouth and take cheap shots at Obama (Yeah, yeah, trolls, I know he didn't mention Obama by name, but everybody who heard the comments knew who he was talking about.). What a fucking embarassment. Naturally the so called "Liberal" media is going to give him a pass.
Liberal AND Proud @ 4:
He deserves all the nasty comments. He has earned them.
'Horseshit!' would be a more appropriate expletive, seeing as how Dubya is such a horse's ass.
Way to go Biden! Question. Is this the same israel that attacked the USS Liberty and killed all those American sailors and as caught spying on the United States several tmes?
Bush doesn't like appeasement.
Bin Laden doesn't like appeasement.
Therefore Bush is the same as Bin Laden.
joeedugan @ 18:
Would "elephant shit" be apropos?
I've always like the cut the of Biden's jib.
Stay at the ranch and shut the fuck up , boosh.
I love it when the Democrats tell Bush off! A whole slew of them were livid today, including Obama and Biden. After Rove said he wouldn't testify before Congress, Rep. Conyers was overheard by the media remarking to aides: "We're closing in on Rove. Someone's got to kick his ass." Conyers said that if Rove doesn't appear before his committee by next week, "We'll do what any self-respecting committee would do. We'd hold him in contempt. Either that or go and have him arrested."
Oh, please arrest Rove, please arrest Rove, please arrest Rove!
Can I go back and change my primary vote to Biden?
I am surprised he did not bring up Prescott Bush.
Anyhoo, the spineless dems appeased w and w will do McCain's attacks.
The corporate media is starting to turn on Obama.
Who da thunk it?
Bush's comments remind me of the many cowardly people I have seen throughout the years. I have noticed that they tend to share in many common traits. One being, that if they do say something tough, its usually done far away from the person they are targeting. They also tend to avoid direct dialog with the person(s) they despise. In addition, if they are forced into a conflict with that person(s) they usually try to get someone else to fight it for them. Bush has all of those traits and then some.
The sooner Chimpy takes his worthless ass back to Texas, the sooner this country can start repairing the damage.
However, it wouldn't shock me for the US to create some sort of bullshit and invade Iran. That's been a wet dream for the majority of Chimpy's White House. Just watch, they'll pull some Gulf of Tonkin 2.0 and launch the attack.
Chimpy has about six months to pull it off...plenty of time to cook up some "evidence."
Leslie [Hussein] @ 23:
I'm with you, but we've got to use some strategery here and postpone hearing until after jan. 21.
Bravo Joe... Just a damn shame the same skepticism wasn't in evidence 8 years ago.. Maaaaybe we might have avoided this shitstorm in the first place... But I don't want to really give you a ration Biden. At least you (alone?) are apparently finally publically calling Bush's gyrations and tantrums and all rest of his behaviors exactly what they are and what many in the blogosphere have been saying all along......Now if we could just get Nancy or someone to 'set a table'... John Conyers? Whatchudoinboy???JD
Leslie [Hussein] @ 23:
"We're closing in on Rove. Someone's got to kick his ass."
Haha! But Conyers is right!
Joe O. @ 26:
How can you say that? Boosh is a Neo-con Repug. Doesn't that, by default, make him a badass tough guy?
The Truth Hurts @ 27:
Here's to hoping fer anuther sinkhole!
total BUSHIT!
EliteLemming @ 32:
One that goes straight to hell (the Earth's core, technically)
Joe Biden for Secretary of State.
John Edwards for Attorney General.
Biden is part of the problem.
He is a CFR hack and shill for globalist interests.
He has known the truth about so many ugly things of the American state yet he remains silent about it, or, at best, is a token spokesperson who speaks of outrage, yet actually does nothing to investigate.
He hasn't spoken out about the Anthrax attacks has he?
What I don't get is Israel tolerating the asshole who's family fortune was made in WWII off of the murder of Jews.
EliteLemming @ 32:
EL
I spent part of my youth in Texas. As far as I'm concerned 80% of the whole fuckin state is a sinkhole.
StirFry @ 34:
I feel sorry for hell! Their economy going to go to shit and if you think their foreign policy is bad now...
danger hussein al-malak @ 37:
if you think real hard, you might come up with some very unpleasant - and politically incorrect - new assumptions.
Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 35:
I totally agree with the notion of John Edwards for AG. But, assuming he's not asked to be Vice President, my pick for State would be Bill Richardson. Biden, as much as I dig what he said today, tends to shoot from the lip way too much (Remember way back with his "Obama's clean and articulate" comments?). No, in some ways, Biden is the Democratic Party's version of John McCain.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 38:
I used to tell college friends I'd never go to school in Texas because I wanted to be educated in the United States. Texans, I'm just being facetious, please don't think I'm anti-Texas... too much...
So, we appease the terrorist state of Israel while condemning the terrorist semi-state of Palestine.
So, we condemned the terrorist state of Iraq while we acted as a terrorist state by damaging their infrastructure with years of bombing, killed many thousands of children with embargos, paid internal dissidents to commit acts of terror, invaded & occupied the country under false pretenses and finished the infrastructure destruction with the arrogance & incompetence of our political True Believers.
There is much more blood on our hands than the petit-terrorists of fundamentalist Islam could ever hope to achieve.
I am far more concerned with the blood on my nation's hands than the blood on the hands of all the so-called terrorist states put together.
Why? As this is a Representative Republic, we all share in the actions of the U.S. The blood IS on OUR hands. Al Qaeda is one of our own creations gone rogue, so even some of the blood on Al Qaeda's hands belongs to us for creating, training, financially supporting & nurturing them in our proxy battle with the Soviets in Afghanistan.
Surely we are, "Hoist on our own petard".
I wish Bush would just shut up and go back to playing golf. Biden gave the best possible response in my opinion. One simple word says it all.
Joe O. @ 26:
Bush is an untreated alchoholic, and his attitudes, personality traits, and the history of his callous, unrepenting behavior, and lack of compassion is evidence. Read "Bush on the Couch".
He should have been removed from office a long time ago. The entire contry has been enabling him.
Some people in the media wants Biden to apologize for his language. I say HELL NO!!!
The American people have A LOT STRONGER words than BS about Bush and his reckless and irresponsible policies.
Tell it like it is Biden and speak up for the American people since the Chimp-In-Chief and Darth Cheney won't come out of their bunkers and listen to us directly!
It's time for the 81% of the people who hate the direction of this country to unite and take on Bush, McCain and the Bush Republicans who have already poured this nation down the drain and now they're trying to flush it!
pissed off patricia @ 6:
You know, a VP with that kind of attitude would be good for the country. Obama/Biden 08
I see McCain couldn't wait to jump on the bush bandwagon. He stated that he agrees 100% with what the idiot said. If anyone thinks for one minute McCrazy will be any different then the idiot, they are also full of bullshit.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 31:
In the Neocon world Bush fits that description because he is just like them. When it came their time to "separate the men from the boys" they were separated from the men and they know it. So now, these tough talking cowards with big mouths and no backbone are left to live their "glorious" fantasizes through the courage of others. But of course, those others always pay a heavy price for it while people like Bush sit around dreaming that they are some sort of caped crusaders.
EliteLemming @ 42:
We lived there for a couple of years and missed the US of A too much (read that as 'hated Texas too much') and moved back. As we were leaving the state Mr. G pulled over, crossed the highway and took a piss on the "Welcome to Texas" sign. Said it was just something he had to do. He's over it now.
Please don't take this personally Texans. I know you have enough with the whole Bush thing and all and I do want you to know you have my sympathy.
I wonder who wrote this speech, when watching bush "the delusional fool" reading this note, it was clear that he
did not write it, he mumbles and appears quite nervous
its a shame that Nancy Pelosi keeps impeachment off the table
Why is it ok to insult bovines of the male persuasion by comparing their natural bodily functions to the filth that spews from Bush's mouth? It's time we replaced this hoary relic of anti-bovine bigotry with a far more appropriate form of the "b-word":
BUSHit
diamondmc @ 48:
Fox had Joe Lieberman on to (and I know this is gonna shock the shit out of people) defend the President. You know, I really am sick of seing this piece of shit on my TeeVee. I'm still pissed at the Senate Democratic leaders for not stripping him of every committee assignment he had. This douchebag should have been reduced to fetching coffee and donuts for the Democratic Party side of the aisle. Hopefully, with a Democrat in the White House and an influx of REAL Democrats to the Senate, Loserman will be dealt with, once and for all.
"Some people in the media wants Biden to apologize for his language. I say HELL NO!!!"
F*cking-a-right! Who cares about some GD swear words! I want that a-hole bush to apologize for all the death and destruction he has caused.
pinot drnkr @ 47:
Kinda rolls off the tongue, I like it... and it leaves the AG for Edwards, and Senate majority for Clinton... you know... someone with pants on...
Biden to be on CNN in a few minutes.
Biden is on now CNN
"rally against Iran"!!! Well he just used all his capital up with me!
EliteLemming @ 55:
or a pantsuits...lots and lots of pantsuits
Biden is PISSED OFF!!
Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 60:
I'm bitter.
Talking is one thing - appeasement or agreements is quite another. I have never understood why the Bush administration doesn't want to talk, because talk is cheap, whereas war is expensive. But then again, in an expensive war, someone is getting paid, and maybe that explains it.
Love it, Joe Biden!
Thanks.
Why is it bleeped out? This gets on my nerves so much. rrrrr
Biden rocks btw!!
NoBuddy @ 62:
wouldn't you kill a few thousand, even a million for several trillion dollars?
MrShow @ 64:
No, No, No... I like his being miffed about the Presidents comment, but then he comes on CNN and starts sabre rattling and whoring for Israel!
Prescott Bush - Nazi Sympathizer, Banker / Money Launderer, Enabler.
McCain Agrees With Bush’s Remarks on Appeasement.
"“Yes, there have been appeasers in the past, and the president is exactly right, and one of them is Neville Chamberlain,'’ Mr. McCain told reporters on his campaign bus after a speech in Columbus, Ohio. “I believe that it’s not an accident that our hostages came home from Iran when President Reagan was president of the United States. He didn’t sit down in a negotiation with the religious extremists in Iran, he made it very clear that those hostages were coming home.'’
Nothing more needs to be said.
I just watched Wolf say "they can't say BS--- on the air." What a chicken shit.
Cafferty just ripped boosh a new one on CNN. He basically said he is an irrelevant asshole.
When did "the Democrats" ever stand up for Hillary Clinton when she was being trashed?
Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com
NoBuddy @ 62:
Well, see, nobody will do what Bush wants if he just talks to them. They just laugh. The only way to get his way is to attack them.
Carolyn Kay @ 71:
When did she truely stand up for us? She's told us repeatedly we're ignorant, racist and if we don't agree with her, or do what she wants we can go fuck ourselves. She's a wolf in sheeps clothing...
Well, that was refreshing.
Looks like we've found the guy with the right attitude for Attorney General.
Randi Rhodes asked Biden a long time ago why he doesn't call the President a Liar and he said "Why do you ask me to do the hardest thing" - it took 6 more years of Bush's lies before Biden is willing to say Bush is Full of Shit!
Paul @ 5:
Yes, Matthews did better than okay
BULLSHIT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS!
You go Biden
My God. I've never seen so many American flags. 1 behind Biden in this post, 3 behind Pelosi in the post before this and 4 behind McCain in the post before that one.
3 posts in a row, it's battle of the flags!
Jeannie See @ 76:
Yeah, but his knowledge of April Glasby, etc. who have helped start wars with their BS - how come if he know about people causing a war through BS statements and false assurances he doesn't work harder to find out what is really going on, how can Chris be such a tool that he would allow himself to say something that he knows is a lie (I'm not sighting a specific lie just in general this idiot is full of shit...just like BUSH!)
EliteLemming @ 66:
Actually I'd like to retract my comment. Just saw him on Hardball and he seemed a little more thoughtful than he was on CNN were it looked like he was attacking rightwing talking points with other rightwing talking points. Maybe he was still a little caught up? Anyway I shouldn't torch a guy based on one viewing and I did like some of his points when he was running...
Where has Angry Biden been all this time? He's good when he's angry, but popping a vein at these guys once every three or four years ain't gonna cut it.
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anneyhussein @ 72:
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Well, they may laugh at Bush, but that shouldn't necessarily tie the hands of a Democratic President. I think to figure this out, one needs to adapt the mindset of a neocon, and an Iranian.
The neocon labeled Iran and Iraq as part of an axis of evil. As evidenced by the 8 year Iraq-Iran war, Iraq under Saddam was Iran's number 1 national security threat. So, by taking out Saddam, advantage Iran. There is no way that a neocon would ignore that. So, it seems clear that the neocons intended to attack Iran, back in 2003, when their cakewalk war with Iraq was over.
The Iranian sees our foreign policy formulated with the assistance of dual citizens Wolfowitz, Pearl, and Feith, among others. They see that the Iraq war was justified by a lot of lies. They fully understand that the neocon knows that the removal of Saddam benefits Iran, and being labeled in the "axis of evil", that the neocon want to target Iran to negate the benefit. They see the successor to the policy singing "bomb bomb, bomb Iran" to the tune of Barbara Ann. They should have every reason to believe that if the American troops were extricated from Iraq, that they would then be used in Iran. So it would make perfect sense to them to keep the troops bogged down through their Shiite proxies.
The present situation in Iraq is that our leaders have to sneak into Iraq unannounced, whereas the President of Iran is greeted with a red carpet roll out. Only the American people seem blissfully ignorant that the war so far is a huge Iranian victory.
So, Bush is framing the issue along the neocon policy instituted back in 2003, which is eventual attack of Iran no matter what. And, under those circumstances, there is little point in talking. However, upon abandonment of the neocon policy, talks could yield mutual understanding. They would be worth a shot, because talk is cheap. But, right now, under Bush, all we're seeing is a charade leading to war with Iran. They may defer until they see whether McCain gets in and continues the policy under "rouge state rollback". Then again, bombing could commence upon Bush's return from the Middle East.
I topped off the tank today.
Senator Biden clearly has the stones and gravitas to be President Obama's right hand man.
bill D @ 17:
I especially liked last night's KO special comment.
We had our dimwit here in Australia as well. Last year our EX Prime Minister Howard said that a win to Obama would be a win for the terrorists.
Some day someone will make him admit that he was with the terrorists and helped cover up for those who really did 911.
Be interesting to see whether the Cabal replacement; PM Kevin Rudd just continues the Middle East travesties and suckers Australia into more warmongering or stands for integrity.
Bring on the International War Crimes Tribunal!!
Read Steve Alten's; "The Shell Game", it is one of the funniest books on the subject. We have to especially order it in for Australia. Now why is that?
Well actually Captain Bitter Husein Kangaroo@68, there is something more to be said in response to that tripe... I am not brain damaged and I fucking full well recall that fall.. THAT scam was the original 'October surprise'... Those fucking Reagan operatives got into contact with the Iranians and made damned sure they held those hostages until Reagan got his punkass into the oval office before they released them specifically so the Reagan administration could make that phony ass claim that they got the hostages out all by their little selves with their bigshot dipomacy..... The lyin scheming little bastards..
What I wish someone would have looked into at the time (but noone was ever going to or ever will at this point), was what, if anything, those goddamned cocksuckers might have had to do with the tragic failed Carter mission to free the hostages.. Its not like anyone even wanted to talk about that after Reagan got in, other than to present it as another Carter failing... And all this shit happened that same freaking summer and fall... The question in my mind all these years has been this.. IF the Reagan repubs wanted the wh sooo much that they managed to make contact with the Ayatollahs reps at that time and finagled a deal to hold those hostages until after Reagan got in... And given how dupicatious all that shit was... Seems like it's not such a long stretch to imagine someone tipping off the Iranians that the Marines were on the way...tit for tat?? We tell you Iranians the Marines are on the way and you guys play nice nice with us by releasing the hostages after we win... thereby giving us a huge psych p.r. win to cement our hold over the U.S. government..
Does that sound like tinfoil hat shit folks? After what we've seen come down the pike since??? You fucking tell me........God that statement by Bush really makes me see red... What a load of revisionist phony bullshit!!!!! Yea Biden called it for what it is for sure...
Jesus! Chimpy had just better get his ass to an undisclosed location once his 15 are up after the mess he's made.. His secret service crew will definitely be workin for their pay. I swear to god, if I ever saw him walking down the street, I'd have to go out of my way to run his lyin chicken shit ass down! I wouldn't waste spit on him if he was dyin of thirst in the desert.... I am sooo fucking sick of that bastard and what he's done to ALL OF US!!!!!! Fuck him and his lyinass mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JD
I have always thought it was awfully damned convienient for the Reagan repukes!!!!
But here we go again. Republican makes outrageous statement about Democrat, with implication of "Democrats are weak on ____." Democrats come back and say, "that's an outrageous statement. We're not weak on _________." And guess what? Damage done. Democrats playing defense. Democrats lose the argument.
When will the Democrats learn to beat Republicans to the punch by making the outrageous statements against the Republicans first? In the Democrats' case, the statements need not even be outrageous, or false, to be damaging. For instance, "George Bush and the Republicans have not kept us safe, and here's why: invading Iraq, failure to inspect cargo at ports, failure to inspect cargo aboard passenger planes, failure to go after Osama bin Laden, etc. etc."
Ok I realize now after re-reading post 68 that this insanity was coming from the mouth of McCain... Yea, speaks for itself.. But still doesn't materially effect what I stated about that situation or the players involved.... This is just one of the many reasons why I really loathe the republican party...... For me, my real disgust with them all started that fall even though I was already sick of them after watergatge not even a decade earlier... Scheming pack of liars who do and say anything to gain power in order to enrich themselves and screw over anyone who won't adher to their sick philosophy. They really do give, not only our nation a bad name, not only our whole culture... They even taint the ideas behind of market capatalism the way they play it. Nevermind the concepts of democratic rule... They drag that philosophy to the toilet and try to drown it every damned day on their way out the door in the morning without a second thought.......JD
To this day it absolutely over loads my circuits , how in the hell is this imbecile Bush still in office ? Must be the " end times " that the thumpers talk about , I am beginning to think maybe they are right .
The Truth Hurts @ 27:
Quite likely a big part of the reason Blowboy is over there now.
Biden just got my vote for VP
Americans could care less what The Ape has to say, today his disapproval rating is at an all time high in modern history 71%. Not even Nixon reached such dizzying heights of hatred by his fellow countrymen.
pete @ 67:
Don't forget: Poster boy for vasectomies.
pissed off patricia @ 6:
Well said.
Although, now I'll be looking at every bluehair doing 40MPH in the left lane of I-95 in SoFla (and there are many) as if it were McBush. And I'll be squeezing them into the concrete barricade, thinking of Biden...
Yup it was
If anyone calls him out on his language, just remember that extreme situations call for extreme language.
Why didn't Biden bring up Prescott Bush, ya know...George W's Grampa!
pissed off patricia @ 6:
Holy Crap! They are finally starting to say what needs to be said. Bravo. Now if they could actually examine the "End Times" theocracy that McSame has sold his soul to, we could all sleep well. Hagee and Parsley really want to attack Iran to start Armageddon. Israel will be the first victim. Hello, is anyone paying any attention to the beliefs of the asswipe extremists in our own government? From my own experience with my own senator I think they have no clue how truly deluded and crazy these people are. They want the end of the world. Period.
The worst part of this continued nightmare is to imagine that drunken Bush boy thinking up the word appeasment on his own. The word beer is about as deep as his vocabulary runs. Oh when will this nightmare end?
Jack Damage @ 86:
What i like about you Jack is that you never post bullshit.
Thanks for stating it flat out the way it should be.
Plain and simple BULLSHIT
an angry reply:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/all-the-presidents-naz...
The only time Dem congresscritters get ticked off is when they are personally insulted? All things against the country are okay, but don't personally insult them?
Geez, if they spent half of this energy coming out in public against the admins illegal actions...
Jack Damage @ 86:
While Reagan's name is attached to hostage deal, as well as the Carter notebook theft, I have never believed that Reagan was actually in on making these cons work. He was not mentally sharp enough, nor connected enough to have the slightest notion of how to get the job done. Significant parts of these operations were worked on a very high covert level, with a vast array of "professional" resources. Almost as if Reagan had at his disposal someone who had once been a CIA director... you can figure it out. (Of course I'm not implying any of this was remotely connected to the fact that Carter replaced a certain CIA director (guess who?) with Stanfield Turner, who proceeded to get rid of over 800 operatives.)
These things apparently run in the family... check the first couple of paragraphs of this little known gem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
Biden goes off way more than once or twice every 3 years, try every once or twice every 2 weeks.
The Bush administration recently held talk with Teheran and has in fact been doing so for years.
There are several reasons why they have done so and continue to do so until this day: the war in Iraq, the nucleair ambitions, and especially oil.
Would talking about any of these examples count as "appeasing terrorist states by holding talks"?
Love that Joe.
Talk about an attack dog.
Might be a good VP choice maybe?
Media Concepts @ 87:
WE are entering a period of bipartisanship and leaving the fights of the past behind so even if we were now willing oto it just isn't done.
We pride ourselves on being the educated ones who don't behave badly. Look how we treat anyone with balls.
What infuriates me is these criminals are going to walk away scot free because we can't have partisan bickering and going after them is going to cause a whole lot of ugly. I don't think the new President will want to do that and end up getting nothing done and being a one term Pres.
Bush's rhetoric could have worked, had he left Obama out of it. Then it would have been Israel+USA against Iran as opposed to Bush+Israel against USA (presidential candidate)
Bush sure knows how to be a puppet. I'll give him that.
Ruth @ 14:
Talking to Iran is no good because A) They don't have the bomb, so they're weak and Bush, the bully that he is, prefers to bomb them. (He talked to North Korea, though, because he feared them. B) Iran's oil reserves serve the Bush junta better than normal relations between the U.S. and Iran. Bush's new motto should be "Fuck diplomacy, how much money can I make invading this land here?" (Points at map).
For the curious, look up a world map of oil reserves per country, most of the oil is in Iraq and Iran, followed by allied countries like Saudi Arabia and Persian Gulf states.
Emperor Boooooooooosh says the invisible post versaille disgruntled radical mini warmacht is massing to strike, just ignore the titan imperialist triple nuclear super carrier task forces flying stars and stripes in the vicinity noooo noooo completely innocent that ...
Here i go tossing dead hippy roses thorns first into my eyes dearest Hypatia i still mourn thee across the vast gulf of darkness ... take me to that sublime place ...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JRbPWcLode0
Vice President Joe Biden, anyone?
Biden...you gotta love 'im!
Paul @ 5:
I saw that too, later on Dan Abrams show. I thought it was pretty good for Tweety to really put that talking head to task. However, Tweety is still a douchebag, but he's our douchebag.
speaking of Nazi Appeasement
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html
All Democrats need to take what Biden's taking......BGH....Ball Growth Hormone
Honestly, I don't see the problem. The Dems have been appeasing Nazi Bush for years! Obama's promise of amnesty ("reconciliation") rather than justice for all the administration's many crimes just proves Bush's point.
I hope Obama chooses someone OTHER than a standing Senator for VP & cabinet positions. We need as many Dems as possible in the Senate. No sense having expensive special elections or risk having Governors pick them.
XDC@100;
thanks.....
Billy Shears@104;
That is one hell of a story.. I was generally aware of the Butler story but these details you provide are informative and just reinforce my belief that this corporate fascist scheming shit has been going on in one way or another for generations... IF the actual truth could be known, there is probably a direct link down thru the years tying all these schemes from the 30s cocktail putsch to the gulf of Tonkin, to Watergate, to the October surprise, right on thru the Irancontra bullshit, S&L scam and all the rest of the scams in the 80s on thru the 90s till we find ourselves today, looking at the latest attempt to render this nation a fascist state merely providing a facimile of a democracy for p.r. purposes only...
You may not think Reagan himself was smart enough to cook up what went down in 80, but he wasn't the doddering old man of the late 80s early 90s suffering alheimers at that time... I don't have your faith that he was just naive and clueless.. But even giving him a pass on direct culpability, he nevertheless hitched himself to those people to gain the wh and they were more than happy to present him as their kindly 'morning in America' granddad president everyone could feel all warm and fuzzy about while they schemed at the very top levels of the CIA and other government agencies to achieve their goals...
Of course that wouldn't work exclusively by itself unless they managed to tarnish Carter and by extension the democratic party too. Which the repubs spent the entire four years of his presidency doing thru obstructionism of his ideas and generally running him down in the press and complaining about the state of the nation and its economy and blaming him and the dems for it.. Ya want to know why repubs have been able to sell themselves as the responsible fiscal types to manage the nations affairs.. Ya wanna understand why they got away with presenting the whole argument that government is bad and ought to be run more like a private business? Ya wanna know and understand how they have managed to hijack this nation.. Well, ya got to go back and examine the details of Carters presidency and how the repubs behaved during those years....
And the truth of it? The actual agenda? Was and is, nears as I can figure, is a desire to render the concept of democracy moot and replace it with a codified fascist corporatocrisy. And this goes back probably at least as a practical plan to implement to FDR's days.. And probably back even further as a dream of the bigger players in this nations upper classes. It is truly a sick idea and plan that if real, would probably take generations to bear fruit. And because it is a plan across generations, much easier to hide the details of. It's the old slow boil applied to stealing a nation. The idea being we rubes just won't see it for what it is until its too late. And folks? Given the last eight years? We are probably in the eleventh hour now as a funtional but damaged democracy.
Hell, Nafta as written and implemented is probably part of it.. OK, I realize now, I'm rambling a bit trying to tie several distinct threads together without any solid evidence, so I just want to say in closing this rant, that while it may be impossible for me to connect the dots and it may be difficult for many people to see any connections... That does not neccessarily mean those connections between these dots don't exist. I will always be suspicious of how Reagan gained power, the details behind the Iranian hostages release and the mystery surrounding the failed marine mission to free them. We got us some deep deep skeletons hiding in our political closet and the names of the real purps goes back generations, we know some of the names, many others remain in the shadows secure for the moment, but I tell you all now.. Sooner or later we are going to have to confront all this shit.. And root out this evil which has been festering and scheming for the last 100 years most likely.. A plan to take over this nation and destory everything we were ALL raised to believe we stand for.
IF we as a people are ever going to be able to believe in our nations professed principles and have any pride in being Americans, we are going to have to do this confrontation thing one of these days....Probably sooner now than later. And it will unfortunately probably involve civil violence and bloodshed... I hate that, but these motherfuckers driving our nation into the ground, their efforts to dumb us down, bankrupt us all and enrich themselves at our expense isn't leaving much other choice. They've coopted all three branches of the government, the media and the electoral process itself.. If even half of what this rant alludes to is true. Someone step up and tell me what our options are???? JD
If it looks like bullshit, smells like bullshit then chances are it is BULLSHIT!
The neocons will have a field day trolling this story!
You're right Joe, that is bullshit... But you know what else is bullshit? Using the entire Roberts/Alito hearings as a platform for self-admiration, and your own personal permission-slip to ask questions, not to prevent the neo-cons Bush wanted installed on the Supreme Court from doing so, but to hear yourself blather ad nauseum, asking meandering, pointless, convoluted questions with ten minute preambles designed to maximize your screen time and exposure to possible voters, you runty, posturing little dick. Your simple-minded self-adoration put the 5th rubberstamp conservative vote on the supreme court, asshole!
Joe, you're exactly like Kerry; you couldn't find your ass with both hands! You should be burned in effigy. You should retire in shame.
accountability @ 108:
I hope you are young, because it's not becoming to be over, say... 22, and be this naive. The GOP will never play nice. How on earth do you expect liberal progressives to outwit terrorists if you install the damned wussbags in office, when they can't even outthink the douchebags on the right, here at home? Dem candidates and their supporters are hopeless.
Never voting Dem again...
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