Mike Huckabee thought McCain's 'bomb, bomb, bomb Iran' song was funny.
By John Amato Saturday May 17, 2008 12:30pm
Tim Russert asked Huckabee about the very dangerous joke he he told about Barack Obama at the NRA dinner in Kentucky. The one where Obama gets assassinated.
“That was Barack Obama, he just tripped off a chair, he’s getting ready to speak,” said the former Arkansas governor, to audience laughter. “Somebody aimed a gun at him and he dove for the floor.”
He responds by bringing up Bobby Knight---saying he'll say stupid things again and he thought John McCain's "bomb, bomb Iran song parody was a hoot.
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Huckabee: There was a Bobby Knight incident going on back stage with a chair that fell and made a terrible noise, distracted the crowd.
I apologized for it immediately. I would never ever try to inject something like that to create an endangered moment for any candidate. I don't care who it is. And ah...you know, it wasn't the first dumb thing I've ever said and let me go and announce it on this program, it won't be the last dumb thing I've ever said. We all in politics do, Ronald Reagan had an open mic and said "I'm gonna launch a nuclear attack against Russia." I remember John McCain sing "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." I thought that was funny, but I mean a lot of people didn't.
Didn't Bobby Knight get fired from Indiana for his horrible behavior? I think that's a bad starting off point, Hucky, comparing yourself to Bobby Knight, who choked a student too. Maybe you should be fired off NBC and start over on Glenn Beck's show---you know, something well-regarded. Then he says that McCain singing "bomb, bomb Iran" was funny. Sure, McBush singing that he wants to bomb a country that has already been targeted with sour rhetoric like Bush and Cheney do despite little to no evidence of what they're being accused is something we should all laugh at. I'm sure the leaders of Iran thought it was well done too.
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I thought he actually waited several hours to apologize. In the clips I've seen he certainly never apologized immediately.
What else would ya' expect from the "brand" that's worse than Chinese Dog Food.
Tripped off a chair needs to be emphasized more. This is a lynching "joke". Why is he standing on a chair?
The guy is a dolt. But that doesn't mean he won't be the VP selection of McCain.
mudshark @ 3:
Any male Republican without a criminal record (yet) who can survive to November without choking on a pretzel (or gay prostitute) is elligible to run with McCain.
Another good example of if it were a Democrat that said a similar thing about a Republican all hell would break lose on all the TV channels all of the time. It would run full blast on talk radio for about a week and then be brought up 4 or 5 times a day. David Letterman and Jay Lenno would be making jokes about it for the next 6 years.
I give him kudos for realizing his mistake and apologizing.
hello @ 4:
That made me laugh w/ a mouthful of coffee. Not a pretty sight.
xenophon @ 6:
You are a very forgiving person!
xenophon @ 6:
"Realizing his mistake?" How could the idiot fail to, given the uproar over it? You'd have to have an IQ in the single digits not to realize how stupid and dangerous comments like this are.
Gov Mike is an outstanding champion of the Lord and will make a wonderful VP for President McCain.
yeah, xenophon, at least he apologized. Strange, though, that he would say "Bomb Iran" was funny. I guess he's totally against assassination but when it comes to the bombing slaughter of countless Iranians ... not so much.
Fuck you, Huckabee. And your dog-killing son, too.
har, har, har, har....waging war and murder = pure comedy gold.
Reich-wingers are indeed sick twisted subhuman scum.
hello @ 4:
Choking on a pretzel is a prerequisite to becoming president.
Of course Mr. Huckabee thought the "Bomb Iran" song was funny - it polled well with his base, and helps hardliners in Iran stay in power. Win/Win for Republicans because it is so much harder to obtain and keep power by playing on people's fears and national pride without an evil boogieman from an obnoxious foreign power to point at.
It wouldn't surprise me if Dick Cheney was in constant touch with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad over what they'd call each other to keep the paranoid nationalistic home fires burning.
But would he have thought it funny had it been, oh let's say Ahmadinejad signing "bomb bomb bomb America"?
Typical rightwinger. There's a reason they have ZERO shows on Comedy Central.
I just saw the clip of Mike Huckabee's speech to the NRA and his demented racist suggestion that Barack Obama should be nervous about being assassinated in front of an audience of NRA members.
There is ONLY way to "interpret" Huckabee's bizarre, sickening and unpatriotic joke: as a revealing glimpse into the mind of a sick racist scumbag. Mike Huckabee is a relic from America's racist past and the sooner he withdraws from public view, the better off our nation will be. It's not a "dumb" remark. It's a remark from a dumb human being. Shame on Republicans for supporting him.
"Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran" is funny? I though we were supposed to have the "adults" in charge now. No wonder the neocons want to dismiss talks as appeasement, because the decision on Iran is firm, and was so, since 2003. The only reason it hasn't unfolded is because the neocons truly believed in their cakewalk war, where we would be extricated from Iraq in 6 months.
People voted for Bush over Gore, because Gore was a stuffy intellectual, whereas Bush was the person one wanted to drink a beer with. Eight years later, we see the results of selecting the dumber candidate, huge deficits instead of surpluses, declining dollar, troops bogged down in Iraq, no movement on health care, and so forth.
Going to select the dumber candidate for the next 4 years? It's insane that the election is even close.
Call Me @ 10:
Lord of what? Darkness? This is the same kook that said we should have a constitutional amendment to observe "God"s Law." The only "god" Neocons like this quack believes in is the god of hubris and deception.
Call Me @ 10:
You forgot the "sarc" tag on your comment. Huckabee let that rapist out of prison in Arkansas.
Call Me @ 10:
The Lord? What is this 15th century England? In America, we have a separation of church and state and the only "lords" US politicians should be willing to serve are the American people.
Huckabee says to all you hippies "Laugh!" You betta start laughing along or you are in violation of Homeland Security.
These people are unbelievable pigs. We will be forever stuck in the quagmire of the Dark Ages until the Republican Party finally dies off. Thank god it is dying as we speak. While it is fun to watch them squirm, I just wish it would die faster. And for anyone of Hillary's/Obama's supporters that won't vote for the other in the General election . . . you are no better than these pigs.
bmw H. 528 @ 18:
The only think I don't like about the way the Democrats are running tehir campaigns are the ways that they've sucked up to the religious. Though I did see CNN post something recently about all three remaining candidates "believe" in evolution. It's a step...
Tim Russert also called Huckabee "Vice President". You really need to get that video too.
Mean Bunny @ 16:
Withdraw from public view? Are you kidding? He's this close -><- to becomming a regular pundit on NBC. These people have no shame. Rove took his misconduct and parlayed into a flourishing media career. Expect Huckabee to do the same.
Gee if he thought McCain's bomb bomb bomb was funny, wonder what he thinks about obama wanting to bomb Iran...oh I forgot the MSM didn't give that much play.
xenophon @ 6:
This was a standard non-apology apology. "I'm sorry my comment offended" malarkey. In reality, the Republicans have been making jokes about death for a very long time and this is why they are about to be extinct. People who joke about death/murder don't belong in public service.
Bush/Cheney always offer up jokes first. Eating cake while people drowned, pretending to look for WMD in the Oval Office, "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran". These people are sick and they don't know it. Just like the Pharisee.
Marge @ 26:
Link? (and I mean to a valid news source).
If you can say "Aw shucks" and smile good (playing the guitar doesn't hurt either) Americans believe you are just A-OK. This man is dangerous and hateful and probably crooked. Some sense of humor. Maybe the MSM could hire a few Neo-Nazi comedians to round out their all radical line ups.
Huckleberry, you funny, funny son of a bitch. I honestly believe your image will soon appear in an oil stain on a driveway in Arkansas.
FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 27:
God, no kidding. Like Jon Stewart's analogy of "no offense, but your wife's a whore. No offense." So does that mean we forgive statements of the like?
Huckabee knows what he said. Huckabee crafted that apology. I remember a coworker once said to me "mark my words, come November, it will be Huckabee on the Republican ticket." Holy christ, I thank god that he was wrong.
Marge @ 26:
Shut up Marge
Scy @ 22:
Yep, Dark Ages of regressive rule.
I gotta agree with you about the use of the word pigs, that is very generous and nice. How anyone could vote for any GOP candidate is a sign of extreme ignorance and much more. Many racist folks will never vote for Obama, but the drumbeat from the corporate media is getting louder and the race card will be played endlessly in the well known racist areas of America. Let us all hope the efforts of the corporate media spin machine don't work this election cycle. Yeah, wishful thinking!
Huchabee thinks he's funny. Probably a carry over from class clown days. But it looks like we Democrats can get a bit over sensitive too.
I'm sure Huckabee didn't immediately realize the enormity and incredible stupidity of the "joke" he was making. His thought processes were interrupted by the thunderous applause his joke engendered.
I remember watching George Carlin one night and he was going on about Barbara Bush, her blue hair and topping it off with, "who the hell would want to fuck her?"
It comes from both sides guys and let's face it....you guys in the States just toss respect, dignity, compassion & sensitivity out the window during election time.
That's what make you so unique,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and disturbingly fucked up.
majicman @ 36:
HUH? A stand-up comic's act is the same as what presidential candidates say? A comment about Barbara Bush's attractiveness is the same as joking about Obama being targeted for assassination?
Give your head a shake. They're not the same. Your anecdote does not illustrate that "it comes from both sides."
majicman @ 36:
A joke about sex, a "joke" about murder? I think the smoke you're blowing isn't thick enough!
majicman @ 36:
I cannot stand the sanctimony of those who label all Americans the same, while failing to recognize that the mater equally exists in their own country. I read UK news, blogsand theircommentary. Many of the deriding comments from the British citizenry are not all that different from those on American blogs.
I'll never understand why people who believe the "gospel" are among the most fearful people on earth.
Huckabee [he of cooking squirrels and fat angry offspring] wouldn't know funny if it bit him on his pious behind. Did he not learn anything from Colbert??
10 Call Me
Interesting you chose for your nom de'guerre the title of an old Blondie song about male prostitution.
These guys are just over-grown children. By no means are they fit to lead this country.
I have to thank Huckabee for that response. In just 40 seconds he reminds people of Bobby Knight, his ownstupitity, and John McCain's sense of humor. He just did some of our work for us.
I am unfortunately married to a republican. Believe me.. they have a weird sense of humor... as in none. If he didn't have the heart of a democrat we could never make our marriage work.
mudshark @ 3:
Joe Lieberman.
Jusker @ 40:
The unknown is always the scariest (because you can imagine that it's whatever you fear most).
Plus - look at their violent god. I'd be afraid of it too if I believed in it.
majicman @ 36:
Governor George Carlin? The one who ran for President?
Don't these assholes profit daily from the deaths of others? Why would they give a rats ass about offending someone?
If there was money to be made selling bones this cretin and his buddies would be selling futures on mass graves.
I think it's your political process and changing societal standards that is allowing and encouraging these kinds of remarks.
The US use to be considered by other countries, such as Canada, to be the torch bearer for things like a free press, separation of church and state, democracy, and rational civil discourse.
No longer.
Time for this cracker to go back to Arkansas with his fiddle, sit on the front porch, chew something and STFU! When he gets in situations with people who's IQ is over 14 he starts to stammer.
Just goes to show you that you can't shine crap - again.
He didn't compare himself to Bobby Knight.
He said "There was a Bobby Knight incident going on back stage with a chair that fell."
As jokes go... it was not all that terrible. Come on. He didn't plan it.
Probably the most telling thing he said was this: "It wasn't the last dumb thing I said and, let me say it right here, it won't be the last."
Now WTF is this jackass doing at a round-table discussion with the likes of Ford, Timeth, etc? It's sickening but asswipe Timeth doesn't seems to care one iota. In fact, he gives the idiot ample time to spew his ignorance all over the camera.
It's beyond disgusting at this point. I can't take it anymore.
Bridget Jones @ 23:
Not all of the religious folk are buying the suck up anymore. In fact, many of us are totally sick of it. Nothing distressed me more than the CNN "Forum on Faith" Q&A session with Hillary and Obama. I do not want to hear any candidate discuss their religious beliefs no matter what - that has no place in politics. Not during a campaign and especially not if they happen to be elected to office.
This Christian doesn't want to hear about a candidate's relationship with God. That is between them and God. I want to hear where they stand on real issues.
Canuknotusa @ 50:
The truth is that we on the left assumed that our tolerance of others - including those who've been in charge the last 8 years - was a fundamental part of our ideology of tolerance and acceptance. Unfortunately, we have learned the hard way that tolerance is subjective. You tolerate other people's beliefs - but you don't tolerate those people forcing those beliefs on your government. I think we've got it now and that's why you'll see a big difference starting on January 20, 2009, with Barack Obama as President.
I gotta tell you when I heard his little "sum un shootin' at Obama" crack I wanted to punch his face in, but then I'd have to go to BestBuy and get a new TeeVee.
Too bad really, I was hoping that McSame would put him on the ticket for some sort of southern strategery.
McStupid & Fife - more dough for the rich and war for the rest of you!
he also thinks the earth is 8000 years old
This post and topic debases us... so what if Huckabee lacks forethought and sensitivity... does this really advance the higher politic that we are supposed to and should be aspiring to? How should and how are we going reengage the world in a positive and productive light? How shall we respond to rising gas prices and declining economy?
...come on people...
Jusker @ 40:
Those people you are referring to do not believe in the entire Gospel. They only believe in what makes them comfortable and benefits them the most. The rest of it was thrown out the window long ago and they know it. I'm afraid of them too.
Well, actually, Bobby Knight didn't get fired for bad behavior. He got fired because his teams weren't winning like they had in the past. The big alumni contributors can over- look all kinds of bad behavior, but when the big winning stops, the bad behavior becomes unacceptable and an easy excuse to get rid of the coach. Knight would have been fired years sooner if it was just a matter of behavior.
40 Jusker Says: I’ll never understand why people who believe the “gospel” are among the most fearful people on earth.
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Although there are Pagan prescedent for a place of after-death punishment, like in Egypt and Greece, the Christians turned it into a never-ending torture chamber, with God's tacit approval. At least in the Pagan versions there was some sense that it would eventually come to an end, with the soul either purified or destroyed outright.
I'm not sure what the source was for the war in Heaven other than the son of light attempting to put his throne above God, but it raises interesting questions. Such as what reason did Lucifer and his angels (supposedly 1/3 of Heaven) rebelled against such a "loving god." And the story also shows that even once you're in the heavenly host you can be cast down as was Lucifer and his now fallen angels.
Although like the Greek myth of Hephaestus being thrown out of Olympus by a repulsed Hera, and the story of the torments of Prometheus after giving mankind intellect and fire, this sounds like both a cultural myth on "evil" intelligence, and of course the falling of comets in the night-sky.
Oh... And some of us should read the entire first amendment...
Gretchen @ 54:
You're an exception. And I wish there were more of you. But, unfortuately, if people didn't want to hear it, CNN wouldn't have had the forum, or the viewership that they did, the candidates would be talking about real issues instead of Revs. Wright and Hagee, and politicians would stop saying 'god bless you' at the end of every public speech.
Call Me @ 10:
in your theist fantasies of a ruling "interdimensional all being master of space and time"
why would such an omnipotent, bloodthirsty, genocidal, homophobic GOD need a champion, a publicist maybe, but a champion?
That's called humility. It's a lot like Obama admitting that calling people "Sweetie" is a habit he needs to break. Do you prefer canddates who pretend to be perfect?
geneHUSSEIN214 @ 43:
And that's the truth <-- insert spraying, wet raspberry there
ysbaddaden @ 60:
There was a History Channel piece on how Hell was created based on an actual burning pit of garbage. It wasn't until the New Testament that Jesus introduced Hell to his followers as a damation for not following his teachings (this is why everyone who claims to be a Christian should actually read the bible - cover to cover).
Yet another reason I can't stand this pious little prick.
Typical GOP - they trot out the flag and God, and respect neither.
Oh, I see, when they say stupid things they explain it away by saying everyone says stupid things. When Howard Dean had his "yeehaa" moment, he was automatically unfit to be president, and I believe he lost because the media pounded it into the ground and made him look like a nut. In other words, they can make jokes and laugh about presidents being assassinated and innocent people being bombed and killed, but we say boo and we're done for. Hypocrites.
"Phuck phuck phuck, phuck phuck a bee" Hahahahahahahah
"That was the sound of Jeebus being nailed." Hahahahahahah
"That was your daughter banging on the side door at Planned Parenthood, Huckleberry." Hahahahaha
Fuckin mayron
Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein @ 68:
Oh... ran a off to daytime did ya?!?
you know, I'm pretty opinionated and I take a lot of shyte seriously... but this was a joke, and better not to read too much into that one. If I had national press for every sadistic joke I've told in good humor, I'd have been lynched long ago... and my wager is that SO WOULD YOU ALL. If you've never told a mean joke, you are a nicer/better/more boring person than I, congrats. I don't like Huckleberry, I don't like his religious views as per enforcement in our country... but let the one joke die. If he did this on televised events many times, that's one thing. and bombing Iran, that one is talking trash on a whole nation, that's another. but I actually thought it was kinda funny, if not a shade close to true...
how's about we do something to stop people pointing guns at black men, and not waste so much effort on blasting a politician for a whole nation's hubris. he's not gonna get elected, so why waste the time on his stupid joke?
Mike Huckabee -- INCREDIBLE ASSHOLE!
Bridget Jones @ 62:
There ARE more of me. I've been finding more every day. I belong to a church full of them, and we're what you could loosely call 'fundamentalist'. That is, until the evangelicals kicked us out... now we don't know what to call ourselves and we don't care.
Many of us have friends who believe likewise. It is a growing movement in religion where churches are splitting from their evangelical roots and going back to reading Scripture with an educated approach and deciding what the truth actually is. We scare the hell out of evangelicals because we will not follow their so-called leaders. And we're swinging left in politics and no longer voting on matters of faith but who we feel will be the best at the job when ALL issues are considered. Many of these people are life-long republicans who are now realizing they've had their religion used to lead them like sheep. And they are bitter!
I'm hoping there will be enough of us to make a difference by November. If things keep doing in this downward direction, I think we may gain enough momentum to be heard.
no, those weren't marching orders to all the gunnuts out there, it was just a bad joke, i swear.
Didn’t Bobby Knight get fired from Indiana for his horrible behavior? I think that’s a bad starting off point, Hucky, comparing yourself to Bobby Knight, who choked a student too.
He didn't compare himself to Bob Knight. He said "There was a Bobby Knight incident going on back stage with a chair that fell and made a terrible noise, distracted the crowd."
One of Knight's more infamous and completely overblown transgressions was the chair-throwing incident during an IU-Purdue game. That's all Huckabeee was referring to when chairs fell off-stage. Knight's firing and the equally overblown 'choking' incident of Neil Reid have absolutely nothing at all to do with anything Huckabee said or did here.
Terrible how things get twisted.
Asshole!
Bridget Jones @ 65:
hear, hear! Having been raised catholic, I know very few Christians read their bible, they wait for the ministers to read it TO them. Nice for sound bytes, bad for understanding. read yo' Bible, Christians... I have.
EliteLemming @ 69:
Hi EL :)
Skimmin, couldn't resist a little fake pious prick skinnin... A little Fakaberry bris-kit yum yum... ;-}
Hate to tell ya Gretch... fundamentalist= evangelical... you mean to use the hated term secular...
check previos p2b... luv ya bro...
EliteLemming @ 79:
Saw it, thanks and backatcha :)
Hittin’ the road, Jack,”and I ain’t comin’ back no more no more no more no more”…
“Last word, freak.” - Melvin Udall
out
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I think Gretch meant exactly what she said. she said she used to use the term fundamentalist because the word meant 'pertaining to core ideas, central to the theme'... then evangelists hijacked the word. they do NOT mean the same thing
Mean Bunny @ 16:
I cant believe I'm defending huckabee here, but you're reading WAY too much into it.
Most people saw it as a poor joke, aimed at the democratic nominee, and the premise of his joke was democrats hate and fear guns.
Gretchen @ 72:
I' love to believe you, but I live in the Bible Belt, so I find it tough to think that it's a national rather than local phenominon in your area. I guess November will be the true test. I hope you're right. I really do.
Interesting - your description of this movemen sounds like the Protestant version of how I went from being a Catholic to an Atheist - first questioning, then rejecting religious leaders, actually reading the bible, and then looking at reality rather than just accepting whatever I had been told by those who claimed to be authorities. I also became a liberal in the process. And much happier.
Well, again, I hope you're right. I'll just have to see it in November to believe it's a real movement.
Bridget Jones @ 23:
Here's Barack Obama channelling Mike Huckabee with a little 'subliminal messaging' of his own:
That Old Rugged, Neon, Explicit Cross
Wise_Fool @ 81:
Well I'm saying they both mean a literal interpretation and excuse for persecuting any disagreement... I don't claim to be an expert and may have overreached... jus my opine...
Wise_Fool @ 76:
Absolutely! And that way, they can avoid all the really violent, incestuous, spiteful stuff in there (about 85% of it). It's definitely NOT a book to be used as a guide for morality - well, not for most people. Maybe for the bomb Iran crowd.
Huckabee really grew on me in the primaries, especially when he defended Obama/Wright by putting it in context.
Lately, he's starting to sound like a damn fool by trying to toe the party line.
Gary @ 82:
Huckabee was suggesting that someone was pointing a gun at Obama. I own guns and I will not point a gun at anyone accept in self defense and would not like anyone pointing one at me..
Congrats to Tim Russert.
Huckabee says something stupid and the before you can say Britney Spears, there he is on "Meet the Press". Nice job at keeping up with current events of the day.
So will Bobby Knight be in the lineup next week since his name came up in the MSM sphere of influence?
thank you Stephen Colbert for giving us Mike Huckabee-truly the gift that keeps on giving.
EliteLemming @ 78:
Wise Fool @ 81 is right. Evangelicals have nothing to do with fundamentalism. When my church went back to those core ideas (including meeting on Saturdays and observing the Biblical feasts, not christmas and easter) the evangelicals promptly kicked us out. Secular has nothing to do with it.
"... it won’t be the last dumb thing I’ve ever said."
Seems he can see .05 seconds into the future.
EliteLemming @ 85:
A literal interpretation means that you do not persecute those who disagree with you. You do not persecute, period. You are concerned with your own relationship with God; not if others are "saved". That is not supposed to be your concern.
Evangelicals want to spread the good news and convince as many as possible to come to the Lord. And they want those people there on THEIR terms. Any other viewpoint is non-negotiable. They have misused the term 'fundamentalist' because it scares the daylights out of them.
They scare the daylights out of me.
lol, Bridgette Jones @ 86 . the first problem I found (may not be a problem to devout christians, tho. apologies in advance) is that the Bible was not meant to be taken literally in most scenarios. With some scholarly study in Astro-Theology, World Religions, and Sidereal Myth, one can link the entire Christ concept to every other religion in the same manner. They all make the same references that are allegorical to the stars and constellations. the constellations were more to ancient civilizations than just navigating tools, they were the implicit mirror image of the human psyche.... the divine heavens reflect the divinity of the individuals below, as it were.
Taken in a different context, the Bible is a great moral compass... just not when taken literally.
dennis @ 84:
Exactly! And I think that because of the rumors of Obama being a Muslim that are freaking out many Christians, he's probably flaunting his Christianity that much more.
It's a good thing for Thomas Jefferson that he is not around to witness this shameless pandering to the Religious set.
Republicans are just plain EVIL.
RayC @ 5:
There's a lot of reasons for this (corporate media, etc). I'm betting one reason is that they know that liberals care about this sort of thing. In contrast, repubs don't have a conscience for the media to nettle.
Gretchen @ 91:
So you're a reformed Jew?
That's an honest question and not my known facetiousness... in the current political landscape it's hard to define certain terms that have been abused, worn, and stretched in recent years...
princess @ 84:
Princess cites anchor baby Malkin....priceless. What's next, a Limbaugh link, princess? It appears you are abusing your "family" duties this weekend once again, princess.
Wise_Fool @ 94:
First of all, please point me to the Chapter and Verse that says that the bible is not to be taken literally.
Secondy, please explain how a non-literal interpretation of god commanding his "children' to murder innocentwomen and children is a basis for morality.
Thirdly, have you read the bible? The whole bible? It takes itself very seriously, and literally. You should read it before defending it. It is quite a violent book.
It was planned.
It was way too long, with timed pauses, and came out too smoothly.
He didn't just come up with this off the cuff.
What does that tell you about his thought processes?
EliteLemming @ 98:
yeah, tell me about it, lol. Most ppl use terms they learn thru contextual meaning, not by carrying a dictionary... so it's hard to be sure you're using the terms correctly, even though everyone else is using it the same way as you are. I think this hits close to the vein of why separation of church and state is altogether crucial... who wants their religion muddied up by politics, where their terms and such are marred? and who wants politics rife with words that others' doctrines are supposed to be against, all the time? reason number 666: why not to vote for huckleberry
Well, in my own dee fence, I'd never make a joke 'bout shootin' at thems that are unborn
Wise_Fool @ 102:
A state religion in Norway has reasonably led toa 2% church attendance rate in that country. Just look at the other Western European countries with joint politics and religion - government and faith seem to lead to a higher rate of Atheism.
geneHUSSEIN214 @ 43:
So long as folks believe they need "leaders", they're gonna keep on getting more of the same...
Bridget Jones @ 100:
Of course I've read it, and cover to cover (not in one sitting, lol). I just said I did. I never said the Bible, or those who read it, say it shouldn't be taken literally... that's the problem, they all believe it -=should=- be read literally. I mean that if you look at history, and are learned in a few sectors of comparative religion, you will see that it is justas much an allegorical myth as every other religion, and has roots before it's own inception.
And as much as I seem to share views with you, I don't find huckabee's mean joke as a reason to ATTACK the bible. look at it without animosity, and with a keen historical perspective - take into account when/where is was first written, then reconstructed, and you'll see what themes are the biasing agents (killing witches, etc.) to ignore. it's not ALL bad, jeebus. ;P
Bridget Jones @ 100:
Which Bible? Rather, which literal translation of the original text?
Wise_Fool @ 102:
Look I'm not trying to tout myself as some "kinda know it all" or "holier than thou type"... definitely not... my discussions here are every bit a learning experience, as well forum for my opinion... see comments 57 & 61... I want to protect the rights of others that mine not be infringed... that I may disagree will not condemn me...
and I'm a two finger typer...
Wise_Fool @ 106:
Actually, you didn't - but that's not the point. The point is that you defended the bible as a guid for morality when not taken literally. The fallacy in your argument is that teh bible wasn't written as literature - it was written as fact to be taken literally - which is what is expected from its followers. Besides, when you follow an ideology in which you are to hae blin faith, you aren't given the latitude to take anything 'non-literally'.
Huckabees attitude comes from his religious beliefs. His highly divisive religious beliefs hat rely on the bible as the literal word of his god. Of course the bible is relevant. They are inseperable.
I don't think we agree at all. And I don't think you've read the bible. People who've read the whole thing don't consider it as a great compass for morality. Usually the exact opposite.
By the way, you didn't answer any of my questions...
Radically Moderate @ 107:
Exactly. I usually say 'bibles', as there are (last I checked) 16 different English versions in print.
Bridget Jones @ 111:
Yep, this fact certainly changes the platform for discussion.
Radically Moderate @ 114:
Not that much, since as we've been discussing, few if any Christians have actually read any bible cover to cover, therefore giving a generic 'bible' reference validty - and since the different versions all generally imply the same thing, originating from the same similar sources, it's not that much of game changer.
In fact, there is greater contradiction between the New Testament gospels in any single version of bible than between the King James version and the Catholic version.
EliteLemming @ 98:
Nope. I was Lutheran (several versions of Lutheran) until I began to ask a few questions that couldn't be answered. I left Christianity altogether and became a practicing Buddhist for over 20 years. Five years ago I found this church, which was in the midst of transition to what we are today, and found the answers to those questions.
We are not Jewish, nor are we Messianic Christians. In fact, we believe the nation if Israel has often been supported by our government unjustly. We study the Bible (the whole thing, not just the New Testament) and make every attempt to understand. That means we have to go back many times to see if the translation is correct. So often the Bible has been translated poorly from the Greek. That has led to a lot of misconceptions and problems in mainstream Christianity, and the evangelical movement in particular.
We are only one rural church but there are many more out there who are going in our direction. We believe in total separation of church and state - any other way leads to trouble. We may believe in obeying the law of God, but Huckabee's idea of making God's law the law of the United States is misguided.
"bomb bomb bomb Iran" funny? And we wonder why people around the world hate and fear us! Christians like this are terrifying.
Thanks for answering Gretch, not that I now have a full understanding of your faith, but that you're willing to discuss it and policy in different lights. I believe this kinda discussion is what helps us to be greater Americans. Bless you and yours that we may enlighten, and truly help to improve the world for all...
Radically Moderate @ 114:
The problem with reading the Bible is, if you really want to understand, you have to be willing to go back and check the translation. 99% of mainstream Christianity is happy with having their minister read them bits and pieces each week, not bothering to take the passages in context or check to see if the translation is accurate.
For instance, in the long list of 'don'ts' in Leviticus you will see two consequences given: the first is 'cut off from their people' and the second is 'put to death'. The first is fairly literal; however it is better translated as 'alienated from their people'. An understandable consequence. The second, however, it NOT literal. It is better translated as 'cut off from God', or alienated from God. Which does equate to spiritual death.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. The problem I have is with Robertson, Falwell, Hagee et al picking and choosing chapter and verse to justify their narrow-mindedness and hate. That and the fact they manage to convince so many gullible sheep to follow them, including politicians hoping for political gain.
Being a bully is never funny, but this inbred hypocrite can't get that through his thick skull. Obama is just what this country needs to put clowns like McDole and Hickabbee into the history books.
Arrogant Ignorant Hillbilly Preacher thug.
This guy is a real piece of work.
He is the one who keeps hinting at killing the democratic presumptive nominee ala MLK
because he is a racist kracker.
So does Huckabee think the recent bombing of Pakistan (tribal areas) by US forces funny !?
seekthetruth @ 120:
I would rather they stand trial for their part in the various crimes against humanity.
Gary @ 85:
Its about as funny as that Clinton attack ad (mailer) with the german sniper rifle and Obama's picture on it.
ferrofluid @ 124:
WOW... nail on the head!
The difficulty in debating anyone who desperately wants to believe in the tenets of Christianity (as opposed to those who are simply Christian by birth and not all that committed), is that they want to believe more than anything, so they are unwilling to examine the facts in a non-biased way – even when they say that they are, and as a result, always have an assortment of rationalizations to offer to fill in the inconsistencies, fallacies, and contradictions in their religious texts. Perhaps there is something to be said for translations and influence of other prior religions – but not nearly enough to justify the immense amount of violence or contradictions in the bibles – especially that perpetrated by their god.
Michael Shermer wrote a book on why people believe weird things (because believing that a man had to be bled to death to save all of humanity from the horrible act of two naked people having once eaten an apple given to them by a talking snake IS weird). The final chapter was about why smart people believe such weird things. The ultimate answer is that they are exceptionally good at rationalizing.
Call Me @ 11:
Why are so many of your 'champions of the lord' hateful, ignorant, bigoted, child-desiring (in the wrong way), sadistic or just plain self hating closet homosexuals?
Why are so many of you folks so maladjusted?
EliteLemming @ 118:
No problem. Faith does not equal what the MSM has led us to believe - that we all think only creationism should be taught in schools, want Roe v. Wade reversed, and are against gay unions. Free will has a part in all of this, and people should be free to choose. If you take away the choice then you take away free will. My choice is right for me and is also my private decision. I have no right to condemn anyone else for theirs.
Numinous @ 127:
Because they are sick and twisted, period. Maybe they are misguided and think their religious talk and Christian persona will make them otherwise.
If that is their thinking, I don't see it working out very well for them.
Apparently UpChucka-bee seems to think bombing innocent people is a joke worth making...
So,
Who did Christ joke about MURDERING and BOMBING again? I missed that chapter and verse, Mike. Please parse it for us... or is THIS why yopu no longer are a preacher man?
Because the doctrines of Christ weren't PROFITABLE enough?
Enough with the god talk @ 126:
Here are some facts regarding how religous fundamentalists tend to be LESS intelligent than atheists on average.
Looks like getting all of your 'facts' out of one book written my superstitious shepherds during the bronze age, doesn't promote intelligence.
Who would have guessed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yapb0T3s3I&eurl=http://video.aol.com/vid...
EliteLemming @ 63:
He has the right to say whatever he wants, and I have the right to point out what a charlatan he is.
ysbaddaden @ 43:
its religious praise from a Haggard fanboi, makes sense in a Xtian fundie way.
enough @ 132:
Best comment of the day!
Numinous @ 131:
Its accepted in neurology circles that certain types of minor seizures causes religious hallucinations, that and the mushrooms and ergot.
Ever wondered why the Catholic church has the wafer (bread) thing going on in their ceremonies !!
Unscrupulous priests could easily hand out tainted (with ergot) wafers.
ferrofluid @ 135:
I grew up Catholic, I wish that was true... as it would have made mass far more tolerable. Alas the catholic church is too fucking cheap to even lice the wafers.
I second Gretchen's comments. This Christian wants Christendom to get out of politics and stop involving ourselves in science. Galileo was a prime example of what happens with that, along with the modern-day Creationisms.
majicman @ 37:
What the fuck are you talking about...
I have lived all over the world, and trust me... as far as elections go, America is tame. Where in the world may you be that allows you to be on such high horse?
First, I would like to thank Huck for apologizing, because that's somthing that Republicans just don't do. Second, thanks for bringing up the bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran thing. You just saved the DNC some money. That's one less 30 second ad that they won't have to run.
General_Rennenkampf @ 137:
I once heard something that made a great deal of sense to me, as a scientist; don't pray in my lab, and I won't think in your church.
The Dude @ 140:
More accurate than not. The best of all worlds would be a Christendom that encouraged scientific thinking, social justice, and kept the rituals and traditions of the Faith. Unfortunately, reality is so far from the best of all worlds that wishing for it is basically meaningless.
One thing I dislike about modern Christendom is the fact that much of the political Christianity Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox, is that it takes the bad side of Christendom and amplifies it while ignoring the good.
Im going to set aside the fact that the last straw for Bobby Knight was when he was taunted by the son of one of his enemies. This punk only wanted to show disrespect to bait him because he knew that he had a temper and that he was on his final strike. While Bobby Knight probably wouldve been fired anyway, what this kid did was cowardly and craven. It just goes to show (once again) that if you know the right people or are the son of the right person, you can be the biggest loser in the world and still go places. A non-partisan truth if there ever was one....
Having set that to the side...Bobby Knight is a BASKETBALL COACH...John McCain is RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT...sheesh...
Darn another reason to bomb Iran, shot down:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JE16Ak02.html
The Dude @ 136:
a drop on the wafer and some Pink Floyd on the sound system and church attendance figures would rocket.
Then again going by the Youtube videos of the happy clappy mega churches muttering in tongue videos, I think they already do this.
General_Rennenkampf @ 141:
what is good about delusional people hearing voices and being fleeced out of a percentage of their weekly wages !
Huckawho?
With all the advances in Psychiatry and neurological medicine, religion is pretty much curable,
medications, ECT, leucotomies, and locking up of the incurable 1% would solve the curse of religion once and for all.
Medical Diagnosis by Video @ 147:
father of the scout dog killer
marko @ 65:
Why would God need a spaceship?
Apologies for Star Trek 5
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