Undeclared Super Pundits
By John Amato Sunday May 18, 2008 8:00pmWe've heard so much about delegates, delegates, and more delegates---declared and undeclared Super delegates for the Democratic party ad nauseam, but I wish the Village Elders of the teevee punditry class would also make a declaration if they have made a choice for the nomination and the general election. Day after day, we hear the same pundits pontificate on the ins and outs of the campaign season in such a way that you can close your eyes and know who they are supporting. I think it hurts their credibility if they are going to constantly slant their perspective to the American public. They aren't the reporters covering the stories and campaigns, but the opinionators that take the information and run with it. There's nothing wrong at all if they have a candidate they prefer, but it would be nice if they came right out and said it. Here's some quick observations:
Cafferty=Obama
McLaughlin=Hillary
KO=Obama
Dobbs=Hillary
Hume=McCain
O'Reilly=McCain (OK, these two were jokes because FNC is solidly for McCain across the board)
And have you seen the way Russert interviews McCain compared to any major Democratic politician? There are many more and I expect a big shift once the general election officially starts. In other words---some will switch and we'll see a solid McCain base permeate the airwaves. They sure love their doughnuts.
Begala and Carville were forced to say they are Hillary supporters every time they go on CNN which was the right move to make, so why shouldn't that same label apply to all that are trying to shape the narrative?
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You left out Karl Rove = Hillary. But Will Hillary Still Cite Rove, Even After He’s in Jail?
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1843
Shitt Fumes is a McCain man? No.........
Does this include you???? You have been pushing Obama for months. Is it because those ads he pays for you have on your site?
[Nope. We have paid ads from a lot of people on this site. And we haven't been pushing one candidate over another. We're interested in seeing the Democratic Party's nominee beat John McCain. We've said so many times-Sitemonitor]
Webb 4 VP and Edwards 4 AG
win!
Since we already can tell who's supporting who, let's simplify it further : replace the word "news" with "opinion" on their banners . CBS Evening Opinion, ABC Opinion, Fox Opinion Network, or my favorite, CON instead of CNN . Then we can watch them without as much guilt .
just to add to your list:
John Stewart=McCain
I wish the ones who are CIA would come out and declare it, though I usually know a mockingbird when I see one.
and I keep saying it. If. (big IF) Hillary exits the race with grace and aplomb, let her name stand for the SCOTUS. After this fall any name will be bulletproof. And She will have the legal forte she has chased all her life, with (g-d willing) a 30-year tenure.
Can't we all come to an agreement here?
Pity the poor monster, McCain
Either senile or merely insane
He skips all the votes
To give pundits their quotes
But (my friends) all he gives me is PAIN.
Haim 'one-issue' Saban tries to buy super delegates ie Young Democrats of America with $1 million to vote HRC at the conference.
what you could buy with $1 million, or even $130 million from the Kazakhstan uranium miners which was given to the Clinton trust fund recently.
link to Huffpo article on Haim Saban and the YDA offer (they could refuse)
I know this is off topic, but after reading this essay at huffington post, if there were ever a reason to impeach both Bush and Cheny, it is starring us in the face.
www.huffingtonpost.com
Dear Mr. Bush,
Your speech on the Knesset floor today was not only a disgrace; it was nothing short of treachery. Worse still, your exploitation of the Holocaust in a country carved out of the wounds of that very crime, in order to strike a low blow at American citizens whose politics differs from your own is unforgivable and unpardonable. Let me remind you, Mr. Bush, of your words today:
"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," Bush said at Israel's 60th anniversary celebration in Jerusalem.
"We have heard this foolish delusion before," Bush said in remarks to Israel's parliament, the Knesset. "As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
Well Mr. Bush, the only thing this comment lacked was a mirror and some historical facts. You want to discuss the crimes of Nazis against my family and millions of other families in Europe during World War II? Let me revive a favorite phrase of yours: Bring. It. On!
The All-American Nazi
Your family's fortune is built on the bones of the very people butchered by the Nazis, my family and the families of those in the Knesset who applauded you today:
WASHINGTON -- President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show.
Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.
Fritz Thyssen was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism.
Andrew, you can't post an entire article like that in tje comment section---JA
With the Clintons and their trust fund, we are seeing clearly how the foreign lobbyists bypass the DC rules on domestic US politicians and PACs accepting foreign monies, it gets channeled through laundering domestic trusts first and 527s.
Andrew @ 13:
there are myriad crimes that Bushco ie GWB and Cheney could have or could be impeached,
but theres only a handful of Congresscritters pushing for this,
the others are scared and or dont want to rock the boat.
EVERYONE is a pundit NOW. *Sigh*
Atilla the Appeaser, Bitter Despot @ 8:
who are the ones on TV with big fat salarys and tenure for life.
the independents tend to get shuffled off the programs if they dont go along.
Dobbs=Hillary?...I would have to say that one is still up for debate. I think Dobbs = 3rd party candidate.
Sorry to continue to be off topic but having just come across this i had to share it immeadiatly.
Vincent Bugliosi, the man who prosecuted Charles Manson:
[Vincent Bugliosi received his law degree in 1964. In his career at the L.A. County District Attorney's office, he successfully prosecuted 105 out of 106 felony jury trials, including 21 murder convictions without a single loss. His most famous trial, the Charles Manson case, became the basis of his classic, Helter Skelter, the biggest selling true-crime book in publishing history.]
Has just written a book The Prosecution of George W. Bush For Murder and has writen an article.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vincent-bugliosi/the-prosecution-of-george...
KYJurisDoctor @ 16:
alas with out the big fat salarys ;)
There is a reason I no longer go to the Huffington Post. Must I have to deal with it here, too?
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 19:
A lot of Congresscritter types tend to be lawyers or come from related backgrounds,
but the majority seem to have lost their vision and ethos of law when confronted with Bushco.
abarts @ 21:
I know, law and ethics are annoying distractions.
McCain's Foreign policy is a danger to all Americans and the world and who does he plan appeasing next , who the hell is going to " talk to " next or deal with , Canada the State Sponsor of Hockey or maybe France the state sponsor of smelly cheese .
ferrofluid @ 15
Have you ever considered that some (or many) democrats are undercover neo-cons?
JFK warned us many years ago about a secret society all encompassing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnkdfFAqsHA
Barak Obama (milque) @ 25:
No not really, that would be unethical and unfair to the voters in a democratic republic.
The whole dem process, a joke they call an election, stinks to high heaven.
Rewarding a candidate for losing by 40 freaking points with supers that have been bribed and corporate media and blog bias was anything but a fair and free election.
It was bs.
there are lots of other posts for talking about Bush war crimes etc... why do it here? So...moving this back to the topic at hand, let me again add to the list:
Jon Stewart=McCain
ferrofluid Says: abarts @ 21:
There is a reason I no longer go to the Huffington Post. Must I have to deal with it here, too?
I know, law and ethics are annoying distractions.
Quote This Comment May 19th, 2008 at 6:45 PM - PDT
well, as long as it's important to you, I guess. However, my browser is capable of GOING to the Huffington Post IF I want to read it.
I think Andrew, that it would have been more appropriate to have posted a link to the Huffpo article instead of chewing up our host's bandwidth. See xoites post at 19 for example.
ferrofluid @ 26 said,
"No not really, that would be unethical and unfair to the voters in a democratic republic."
I say yeah your right...
people would have to examine each candidate closely,
and thats way too much to ask of the average american voter...
besides, its real convienient to just (blindly) vote along party lines.
archmunster @ 28:
Jon Stewart=Obama
Should bloggers tell their readers who they're for?
Stephen Colbert = Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIFAWxQFHWM&feature=related
andrew@13 good article...the only thing I can think is that george must have some pretty serious dirt on congress to stop them from impeaching him
Clay @ 33:
^^^^^^^^^^^THIS
Seriously John, just declare your support for Clinton and get it over with. This is clearly a "it's not FAIR to Hillary" post.
Please do this for everyone on every network. Keep a running list, and post it on every political blog possible. It would be interesting debate for those with differing opinions. It will likely also show the extent of Right-wing pundits and the lie of liberal bias in the media. It might even make the cockroaches scatter, and put pressure on the corporate media to hire real journalists that have some professional ethics/standards in the future.
Alright, anybody want to venture a guess who Russert supports? Matthews? Couric? Brian Williams? Limbaugh?
JR @ 32:
As a longtime fan of The Daily Show I'd have to say that JR is correct. Stewart is a comedian however and makes no pretense of impartiality. With regards to this site I'd say I could make a pretty good guess as to which staffers support which of the current candidates with the exception of Mr Amato who is particularly adept at keeping his cards close to his chest. I bet he wins at poker. Still the staff here have done a much better job collegially than the so-called professionals at maintaining impartiality. Given the rough waters we've been going through that is no mean achievement. Kudos to all.
Who the hell are these assholes to tell me what to think? Why should I give a shit what Chris Matthews or Spawn Insanity think? They're good for laughs, but not much else.
JR@32 said "Jon Stewart=Obama"
Peter G @38 said "As a longtime fan of The Daily Show I’d have to say that JR is correct. "
But Peter G you should have said, "As a longtime fan of The Daily Show I wish Jon Stewart was for Obama, but alas Stewart's non-stop, straight-talk John McCain ass-kissing makes it hard for me draw such a conclusion"
HDon @ 37:
I may start a "Pundit Watch" page soon to keep tabs on them. And as for who I support, it's the Dems over McCain...
u forgot...
THE HUFFINGTON POST (arianna, etc) = OBAMA
I heard coal equals diams if you put them under a mountain until the mountain washes away.
Then again you may think by name that i equal Obama.
Nope.
I just support him. :)
*diamonds
archmunster @ #40 --
Jon Stewart does nuance. Aparently you do not.
My predictions (Have shows or sub for hosts)
Blitzer = Hillary*
Matthews = Obama
Stewart = Obama*
Beck = Paul*
Dobbs = Someone White*
Russert = Obama
Stephanopolis = Hillary*
Gibson = McCain*
Couric = McCain
Williams = Obama
Cooper = Obama
Maddow = Obama*
Grace = McCain
* = Obvious
Only candidates still running were considered, non *'s are more of a leaning / guess / would vote for.
Obama's TV supporters (generally) tend to be less obvious and non-hostile / fair to others IMO. Hillary's tend to shill for her, McCain's tend to tear down other candidates.
archmunster @ 40:
If you watch The Daily Show on a regular basis, you would note that Jon Stewart undoubtedly hates Bush and his foreign policy. McCain's foreign policy if anything, is more militarily aggressive then Dumbya's. I'm sure, down inside, Stewart despises all neocons. I say Stewart kisses the ground Obama walks on.
abarts @ 29:
I have my browser house trained, Pounce and a rolled up newspaper keep it polite.
Commentator @ 46:
Blitzer = Hillary*
Matthews = Obama- I think Matthews may now be leaning towards Obama. Liked McCain.
Stewart = Obama*
Beck = Paul*- Big mistake Beck hates Paul, he thinks he's a nutcase.
Dobbs = Someone White* LOL!, but true
Russert = Obama No Way- McCain is his man
Stephanopolis = Hillary*
Gibson = McCain*
Couric = McCain - You're sick
Williams = Obama
Cooper = Obama
Maddow = Obama*
G
Clay @ 33:
my choice is for sex, drugs and rock n roll
In Susan Morrison's book 'Thirty Ways of Looking at Hillary', Leslie Bennetts' "Beyond Gender" is the longest essay and also the last, so many will never get to it:
http://dealstudio.com/searchdeals.php?deal_id=103916&ru=279 ,
But it is a scathing, funny, thoughtful review of Hillary's career in the context of feminism's failure. I do think Hillary win herself. Because it's acceptable to attack a woman for being a woman, because sexism is still A-OKAY here in America.
JR @ 47:
Let's settle the argument and ask Jon Stewart: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F12ndQmmdc0
I was basing the Beck/Paul thing off an hour long show /w Paul as his guest - it looked very lovey. Of course, I couldn't stand to watch more than a few minutes of it so I probably missed something. Beck tastes like burning, so I avoid him at all costs.
I don't watch Russert except when he's on MSNBC Special Coverage shows, but I always assumed he was kind of the "Village Idiot" who could, given enough time, piece together enough logic to get behind Obama. I didn't think he was the self serving evil type - but the more I think about it, his iconic position among the "Brain Dead Pundits" probably means he's a lot smarter than he looks. I stand corrected.
John Amato @ 41:
Seriously? This is a ludicrous premise, especially when you won't come out and declare your own leanings. This witchhunt mentality is the kind of thing I'd expect from Malkin or Townhall, but not from what I used to regard as a fine progressive news blog. If a reporter or presenter misrepresents facts, surely they should be taken to task. But to tacitly condemn or praise a television personality based on the candidate they favor is silly and a touch childish. If there are actual (and not vaguely percieved) biases they'll be apparent.
KO has lost me as a viewer by being so obviously and blatantly in the tank for BO, he once was one of the most credible newsmen on TV, but now that he's drank the Kool-aid, he's just another shill...
Travis @ 54:
Presumably you no longer regard this as a "fine progressive blog" because they don't agree with you 100%. Well there's lots of other blogs. Heck you could even start one of your own. In fact this blog has a very obvious declared bias towards democrats. You may have noticed that. This thread is about pundits who pretend to be unbiased as between Republicans and Democrats. This site has done a remarkably good job keeping a balance between the democratic candidates that both sides feel welcome to post, even the toxic nut jobs. Other sites, such as Huffpo and Kos have become nothing but ditto head sites.
archmunster @ 7:
Stewart likes McCain very much on a personal basis, but he's not a supporter of his politics. Jon Stewart is for Obama.
Commentator @ 53:
I despise Beck almost as much as Hannity. Beck is 100% neocon and masquerades as a libertarian. I watched the same show, but Beck bad-mouthed Paul ferociously prior to that show and decided to give Paul a fair shake and a whole hour. Paul's foreign policy is totally unacceptable to fear-mongering neocons like Beck.
I just don't see Russert as having a liberal bone in his body. Of course he could be just playing the center and be a closet liberal, but I don't think so.
I don't think there is anything wrong with blogs showing their support for one candidate or the other, unless they go overboard like Huffington Post. I supported Hillary during her reign then Huffington Post was beginning to get on my nerves. I now support Obama. I think most informed dems who are loyal to the cause of the Democratic Party will support Obama, meaning most liberal blogs......including this one. Come out of the closet, Amato!
OBAMA '08!!
Matthews = McCain. FACT. If you "think" anything else then you are deluded. Save this post and book it. 2 months from now, the twits that "think" Matthews = Obama, will be humiliated in defeat.
David M. Quintana @ 55:
But if he was a shill from Hillary, you wouldn't be whining. Hypocrite. Go run to faux, you're not needed on the left.
Without a doubt, the whores at all news media outlets, are against Hillary. They killed her campaign with constant nit picking, especially OverlyObamann. They all suck. When u all see the results Nov. 5th, look in the mirrror and say"WTF happened"? "WE should have had a lock on this, but oh no, you Hillary haters just were looking through rose colored glasses". By the way, before your continued vile comments to a Clinton supporter, I'll VOTE for Obama, in a losing cause.
----Peter G you should have said, “As a longtime fan of The Daily Show I wish Jon Stewart was for Obama, but alas Stewart’s non-stop, straight-talk John McCain ass-kissing makes it hard for me draw such a conclusion”
-----Let’s settle the argument and ask Jon Stewart: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F12ndQmmdc0
OKAY, I watched the video and now i have to admit it...Jon Stewart loves him some McCain. Please tell me what part of that clip tells you that Stewart favors Obama to McCain. Maybe, just maybe, he loves them equally based on this clip...but if you look at the McCain/Stewart interviews you can only conclude that he "loves" "his good friend" John McCain (both of which he has said repeatedly on TDS). For god's sake, as he readily admits in this clip of yours, he thinks ultra conservative, right wing nut job McCain is non-partisan...
Stewart has done more for making McCain a palatable choice than any other pundit there is. ("If my American Idol, Jon Stewart, feels this way about McCain, maybe I oughta give him another look," --Mr. and Mrs. Right-Leaning Democrat). My only question is...why isn't Stewart on McCain's payroll?
Matthews I think is for Obama because he's popular. Matthews goes with the tide. If McCain suddenly becomes supercool, he'll be a solid McCain man.
Dobbs is in the tank for the Republicans, he just likes to pretend he's totally independent because it gives him credibility when he bashes Democrats and spouts racist propaganda.
Beck? LOL does anyone care? That guy make O'Reilly seem like a Classical philosopher. He'll probably write in Joseph Smith or something.
CNN American Morning's John Roberts has made several comments which make me think he's pretty fond of Ron Paul.
Olbermann is not really hiding that he's for Obama, but he also said he was originally for Hillary, until the campaign tactics of the Clintons became a little unsavory. As much as people complain about him being the evil Hillary hater, I think the reaction to him is a bit extreme. He liked Hillary, made sure he showed his gratitude to Hillary before getting into his Special Comment on Ferrarro, and when he had her on the show, he didn't exactly grill her. He let her do most of the talking and did no follow up questions. So I don't think he loathes Hillary, he just doesn't like the way her campaign has been run. And he's not the only Democrat who feels that way. *raises hand*
Russert is definitely a McCain man.
Dan Abrams is for Hillary.
Jon Stewart I think is for Obama, but he really does kiss McCain's ass WAY too much. I understand McCain is a friend of the Daily Show, but he doesn't need to be so soft on the guy. He makes comments frequently which add to this media-perpetuated myth that John McCain is an honest standup decent guy who would never do or say anything unsavory. That he's not like those OTHER politicians, when in fact, he's exactly like those other politicians.
Anderson Cooper I think is for Obama.
And, is anyone else depressed by the fact that they watch enough 24-hour cable news to make these assessments? *cries*
Olberman and Cafferty strike me as being fiercely against political dishonesty, so it is no surprise that they have been turned off by Hillary and drawn to Obama as this campaign season has drawn out.
On the other hand, Lou Dobbs is clearly an asshole, so it is no surprise that he has chosen Hillary.
getalife, I suggest you take your own advice. Bitterness in a loser is not attractive. To answer the question, yes, pundits should declare their alleigances and even their leanings. It would help keep the discussion honest.
Is there a reason why all male candidates are referred to by their last name and the female candidate by her first name? Language DOES matter. Language DOES reflect the beliefs and attitudes of the speaker / writer.
I don't know that KO is in love with Obama. But he sure don't like Hillary.
lorac @ 66 - Is there a reason why all male candidates are referred to by their last name and the female candidate by her first name?
Well, there was a previous Clinton that is still in the news. It is quicker and easier to be specific by using "Hillary". I typically hear Pelosi referred to as Pelosi. McKaskill, etc.
Yeah, language DOES matter. But stop seeing boogeymen (or boogeywomen) behind ever word.
JR @ 32:
How about, Jon Stewart, KO, and many others simply know how to do math. They can see what has happened, and they know what the delegate count says. The process has spoken. Let's move forward.
lorac @ 66:
This is so January.
Hillary's own campaign refers to her as Hillary to distinguish her from another prominent Clinton that you may have heard of, Bill. Let's keep up, people.
You say that Foxnews is for Mccain across the board which may be true, but why don't you also mention the over the top support that MSNBC is giving to Obama? Typical liberal B.S.
The media has been a deciding factor since the campaigns began. Take the 'debates' for example. It had already been decided by the media that Obama and Clinton would be the forerunners, thus, few if any questions of substance were directed to Biden, Dodd and Richardson. The citizens of the United States can thank the media for the current candidates. Given their fair due, any of the three aforementioned could and would have made it to the top. I only pray that Joe gets a shot at a cabinet post.
Actually on FOX you have Colmes, Juan Williams, Maura Lyason, Mort Kondracke, all voting for Democrats not to mention others. You've probably never watched only what you've been told.
When O'Rielly interviews Hillary, McCain or Obama (if he will ever keep his promise and come on) we actually learn something about the canidates, unlike the other puff piece adders. Where else did we learn Clinton will not go after the Sanctuary Cities or McCain will not drill for oil in ANWR?
With the masks of news people, these pundits, either beholding to their lord and master's political or religious convictions or their own closed minded egotistical selves. One side lies and spins about the other, while only putting the best foot forward for who they back. No wonder the U.S. public comes away with falsehoods and ignorant thoughts about each candidate. Everyone wants to say that the media is biased for liberals. That cannot be farther from the truth, not only the ones mentioned, Joe Scarborough is most pro republican (MSNBC), John Meier. Different stations have their pundits, but Fox is all the way republican. When they hire these neocons like Rove... and make statements that are just lies. Fox is the one station that I know of the is completely entrenched with the republican view of things. The rest seem to have pundits from both sides.
The Russert's have been democrats for generations and that includes Tim!
Pundits are T.V. ratings pushers with not alot of worthwhile info of their own. Fox has its republican slant HBO has its humor with Real Time, MSNBC is more to the Dems. The fact is the candidates we have to choose from are not that good. To be honest not one of these folks will do what is good for this country as they are all motivated by $. We have more headaches in this country than we can deal with and not one of them could truly solve one of them without screwing it up. Health care, education, a war we should not be in, and an economy going in the crapper faster than the dollar devalues. If you think anyone of these 3 goobers left to vote for are going to fix whats ailing us then worrying about what pundits thinks seems about right to be a topic of concern.
You are all off base in this election year. Politics is all about control. Never ever forget that. Those in charge of this so called nation of ours are the rich and powerful corporations. They want in charge not someone who is strong and tough like Harry Truman but someone like Barack Obama. And it is the young that seek the change and they are as I was once wooed by change. But guess what, they don't. The one who gets the attention is the one that can be manipulated the most and in this case Obama. Of all the candidates we can all agree he brings nothing to the table except hope. And hope can be dangerous. Look at JFK, WW3 was a wink away for we took the change and inexperienced. Why am I right? For the media and money is flowing one one directions, Obama he is the least exprerienced of all to sit in the oval office. And that is just what corporate America wants. McCain would be fine but Wars never did anyone good, So Hillary is the choice. For you forget real fast that Bill Clinton left this country is good shape and the Bush's have made a Reagan mess again. So lets say Hillary case is good on Florida and Michigan, she has the popular vote, and Obama has elected delagates. You know I heard a black commentator on Hardball say if Obama does not get nomination there will be race riots in the streets. Why is that allowed? Because of control. I leave you with this. You do not live a democracy for if that were the case we would revert back to popular vote. So the best to be controlled is going to win the money and bull shit award on speeches.
FNC all for McCain? How about Colmes, Rivera, Van Susteren to name a few who aren't. All you are telling us is that you have a conventional Democrat view of the FNC. Guess you better stop complaining about news bias.
I am shocked! CNN pundits and the mainstream media are all for the Democratic candidates??!!? DUH
All this could of been avoided if dumb ignorant America would vote for Ron Paul..We keep shooting ourselves in the foot as we have the same parties elected, either a Democrat or Republican..We always keep whining this isnt fair..Thats because we r chicken s--t to choose a 3rd party, a real choice for America..The District of Criminals have purged us enough..Why dont we have a real Independent..The media is govt. controlled, and dictates to u how to vote..I am in favor of a Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, in addition to Ron Paul, , Rob Barry,or Pastor Chuck Baldwin..
We must strengthen ourselves as a nation and take care of us the USA citizens..We need a strong economy, jobs created..Why r we giving our funds to foreign countries..We need Border Protection and stop the flow of illegals..We need our troops home and to protect us on these borders..There arent enough National Guards or border police to manage this..We need to go back to the gold back currency and throw out this worthless dollar..What a joke...It isnt to us..Lets get up and protest..Lets choose what Jesse Ventura says vote for 'None of the above' come November..
I stopped watching CNN and MSNBC and of course, I haven't watched Fox for years. Why tolerate their lies? Olbermann is a raging maniac. Matthews is a dumb clown. Russert is unreliable. And Jack Cafferty is just plain pathetic.
It is pretty much a no brainer that most celebrities, and the media have a deep seeded contempt for America. They will do anything to undermind her and try to form her into something that will destroy her. Liberalism hides behind many veils such as openmindedness, compassion, intellect and enlightenment. It will do anything it can to hide from the truth that it will be the undoing of all civilization.
Who cares what candidate the left wing infected media cronies support, the majority of them hate America and all that it stands for, and will stop at nothing to destroy it.
PUNDITS.....well let's just break the word apart....Pun= a play on words or usually a very bad joke. Dits=slang for someone who is not altogether with it. So, if we put them together why should anyone listen to these people. :)
I'm tired of the pundits and analysts and commentators who are more interested in making a name for themselves than they are in the news or their guests. I want to watch an interview that will be a good interview.. and that takes a journalist who is not blatantly there for their own self-promotion.
I still do not understand why the majority of the people do not want Hillary in office. We were all very happy when Bill led this country. So what is the problem? I hope Obama turns out the way you think he will for our sake. We cannot afford another blunder in this country. If Obama gets in and he turns out to be dead meat than all of the other countries will really look down on us. God forbid if McCain gets in. What a mess!
Acknowledging the risk of yet another law/regulation, major TV and Radio networks their affiliates and on camera or on air commentators should be required to proclaim thier political bias six months before the national elections
Tim Russert served as counselor in New York Governor Mario Cuomo's office in Albany in 1983 to 1984 and was chief of staff to Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan from 1977 to 1982.
to #77 just one question. Are you pround of being a hater? There is so much smoke screen here it is shameful. Why don't "you people" just call it what it really is. America espouses to so much hate, you give racism a bad name. You are simply hateful. A hater! Just in case you don't know what that really means, here is dictionary.com's definition out of context but within the context of the hateful rhetoric I see on the internet every single day: to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest. Obama is the object of your hate: the object of extreme aversion or hostility.
When I read this kind of CRAP, I UNDERSTAND WHAT MICHELLE OBAMA HAS TO BE PROUD OF - AMERICAN JUST LIKE YOU!!!!!!!!!
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These talking heads would serve the American people and democratic process better if they would look toward history, research and the qualities of successful leadership such as we had with people like Truman, FDR and Eisenhower instead of getting all ga-ga over a manufactured celebrity candidate which they have turned Obama into. To think this country would nominate someone based on an Oprah promotional just reflects the immediate gratifications that feed this country, but leave it empty and hollow - sort of like Obama's slogans and chants. Actually, Clinton typifies more of the qualities of leadership - unfazed by criticism, making unpopular choices, having a sense of history, being part of history, having a sense of tradition. Obama is conflicted about his American loyalities, but now that this country has made his a star, people are ignoring this very important issue. This country needs a true leader and leadership, not a pretty smiley face chanting slogans.
Did anyone reading these hear Chris Matthews one afternoon the week before Texas and Ohio, actually say (ON AIR ON SOMEONE ELSE'S SHOW) that he didn't think he knew any journalists who were not Obama supporters. ????????????? If you do happen to have the site and date, would someone post it please? Thanks, Mima
Political correctness ,is that Free speech?
I understand that a new law was passed recently,that is supposed to keep ,individuals or groups,that would use free speech ,that in the suspicious judgment,of the law,would make them,terrorists,if what they say is considered,subversive,is that true?
And this is a surpise...how? The media made their choices back in January of last year by covering only the candidates "They" thought had a chance of winning. They hid their preferences behind the need to appropriately divide their resources between only "Viable" candidates. Others running may have been more popular among the people and had far more experience in many matters, but the media took sides from day one and if the "new reporters" didn't feel the had a chance, or plain didn't lile them, they didn't have a chance of getting the media coverage.
These "opinonators" as you call them have done their best to shape the outcome of this election with a belief that they know so much more than the American voters. I say, we vote the news readers out of their position, listen to the candidates and form our own opinion.
Jesus called him a liar,thief and a murderer from the beginning Satan or Beelze- Bush?
Since George Bush was sworn into office in 2001 the press has had an anti-Bush stance. I am sick and tired of the left wing crap from NBC, ABC, and CBS. NBC being the worst is not worth watching as they have been swaying or trying to sway our thinking from the start. You can't watch their news as it is slanted. CBS doesn't have news. Rather ruined it and ABC is close behind. They are just so hap-py to report deaths of Americans in Iraq. They are so happy to report higher gas prices and lower Wall Street numbers. There is no balance, no objectivity. We won't watch that crap they call news. We also let the advertisers know that they waste their money supporting garbage.
the majority fall over them selves for Obama....it makes them feel good....we hardly know anything about this man, his policies etc.....yet he takes about changing things in Washington...Obama did not produce one piece of legislation in the Senate....his voting record is the MOST liberal there is in the Senate....So how is he going to reach out to others when his past, proves differently...people would like change but you need to know what the change is...
Do any big time news cast ask about this?....NO they sit in awe of a man instead of doing the jobs they are hired for. Find out the facts of what change is, how is going to go about it and what in his past points to his successes of change and reaching out...
Beyond who they support, the pundits should also reveal what they demand of candidates -- their financial statements and tax returns. As Bob Somerby says, we can't have a middle class democracy with a multimillionaire press corps.
Also, Somerby pegged the situation accurately (and made me laugh my ass off) when he referred to Brian Williams as Tim Russert's trophy wife.
When McCain gets up from a chair to take a leak, how many reporter lapdogs drop to floor?
--All of them
I M Nauseated
Even this pundit article is left wing. Why the Hume & O'Reily crack? MSNBC,NBC,CBS,ABC,CNN....are all monolithlically Dems, where's the wise crack about KO...what a hack!
DB @ 84:
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We've had a Bush or a Clinton in one of the top 2 chairs for the past 28 years. The thought of Hilary extending it to at least 32 and possibly 36 years makes me cringe. I'd say we've had enough of both families forever and while I agree we need a change, I have a hard time deciding whether McCain or Obama is the right person. Regardless of who I vote for, I feel like I'm voting for the person who will screw up the country the least. It's sad to be an American and not have a leader you can look up to and respect. Ronald Regan wasn't perfect, but at least he was someone you could look up to. I'm afraid until we find a true leader, the US is going to be in for some rocky times ahead because foreign countries are all going to crap on us.
Well, I've noticed Russert's change from a fairly solid "who, what, when, where, why and how" guy, to a pretty big aho. I'll never forget his totally nasty, in your face, "I'm so incredulous" interview with Nancy Pelosi a year ago. He was beyond demeaning. He was supremely condescending and just bordering on mocking. THEN the next week or so he interviews a Republican...can't recall if it was McConnell or McCain or the McBurglar, but hoooooooooEEY was he nice! He LIKED those guys!
Bottomline is that the TV media folks have forgotten what it is they are supposed to be doing, and instead have decided to MAKE THE NEWS. When Clinton obliterated Obama in West Virginia, they all decided to take her smashing victory, her LANDSLIDE in that state, and use the occasion to claim her "all but dead." Notice how Clinton has largely disappeared since then? She lost superdelegates and NARAL SINCE killing Obama in West Virginia! Head scratcher? Naw. The TV folks say she's dead, and in doing so, make SURE she's dead. Where is Walter Cronkite when we need him?
Ron Says: 1st
And your point is?
All my fav media folks, Matthews, Olbermann, Maddow, Ariana Huffington, are voting for Obama. He's getting my vote too! Is Bill Maher voting for Paul? If he's not, he's probably voting for Obama too.
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Does this include you???? You have been pushing Obama for months. Is it because those ads he pays for you have on your site?
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My Respone:
Why would Sitemonitor, or any thinking person, want to see "the Democratic ... nominee beat John McCain," when Obama (the apparent nominee) is a mere 3 years, 4 months oute of the Illinois STATE legislature, and has never been in executive charge or command of anything?
It seems you can't say anything that would seem negative about Hillary. If you do, your mean and are trying to keep women down. Hillary keeps saying she can take the heat, but as soon as someone questions her about her past or stance on issues, their picking on her. And then the crying starts. I can see it now when she's up against the Iranian leader or Russian leader and they lay into her about the U.S., is she going to start crying and saying it's because their men and she's a women that they are treating so mean?
Give me a break.
When will people wake up and smell the coffee? When white people vote for white candidates, they are called racist. So why is it not racist when black people vote for black candidates? Example: North Carolina 93% black vote to Obama. Can anyone here name a successful black leader of any country?
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Wait! And this is the reason I love him: Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe LOVES Hillary and has no problem saying it! So, its not all of MSNBC...Joe is for Hillary.
The other ones at the network and CNN, which I no longer watch anymore are so biased towards Obama that its sickening! I would actually have to say that Fox has been kinder to Hillary than CNN!
I'm glad you finally brought this up, John, because every election year these "journalists" baffle me. Journalism, as a profession, is dead. What is left in their wake at election time is a bunch of partisan hacks who use the guise of an anchor desk as an objective obstruction to their hidden agenda. Take MSNBC - they actually place that shameless idealogical robot Keith Olbermann behind their anchor desk to "report" to us the results. Are you joking me? Fox News may have a slant, but they don't parade Hannity or O'Reilly behind their desk to give us results. How could we translate any objectivity? MSNBC has used Ron Reagan, Chris Matthews, etc. That is an absolutely shamless abuse of their platform to quietly affect Obama's appeal. When I want a hamburger, I go to Burger King...not Pizza Hut. And, when I want objective reporting, I go to...? If you are an opinionated partisan hack, let it be known. That's fine, join the discourse, but don't play Journalist when your full-time endeavor is to get whatever Democratic candidate elected.
To your broader question, John, of admission. I say if they're going to push their agenda then admit it and find a job on the campaign or as an opinion host. Journalism is not your profession.
And, whoever said Jon Stewart is for McCain needs to sniff the salt. Hume and Kristol are for McCain but other than that it is pretty much a job requirement for most media organizations that you be a raging liberal and use your broadcast medium to affect policy as such rather than report it. No, I'm not Republican, so to my fellow posters please don't bother with the stereotypical hypocrisy. I'm just the unsilent majority that has to consume such garbage...and the sad death of a once noble profession.
It is so hard to believe what I am reading.What has happpened to americans that think for themselves and see the media for what it is? Their JOB is to think for us and make us accept it.Anyone that has a sense of right or wrong is to be avoided ,they are to be shunned because they are "P.I.".People . come on,accept the media and its conclusions and observations for what they are. Their bread and butter. Use the common sense that our Heavenly Father has given us. He has given us free will. Don't give it to the payed (and well) media.
OK John, how about you tell us who you are supporting too?
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This is literally the first Presidential election cycle in my life that I remember the press taking such an active role in overtly slanting the news in favor of a specific candidate. In fact, many people rightly point to the fact that NBC/MSNBC should change its call letters to "AOAT (All Obama All The Time)."
It's really disappointing to see journalist we use to hold in high regard show themselves for what they really are: hacks with an agenda.
Many of the people on this site should stop complaining, whining and wanting to play hangmen and just run for office since they all have the answers. Disagree if you want, but your sometimes vile words and slanted comments make me wonder why anyone would want to be president of the U.S.
give the country a break please and vote INDEPENDENT to hell with all of these criminals vote for dennis a sholty a confirmed independent candidate just write him in hes from puhrump nevada vote independant now before it is to late and we become the north american provence of mexico thanks to bush and clinton and the north american freetrade VOTE INDEPENDEANT NOW gera
Man i'm glad im not a democrat. You all are the most depressed, unhappy, hatefull, hate America, paranoid,dillusional, unhappy(did i mention that?) bunch of people i have had the misfortune to read. By the way ...all news media (except Fox News, Rush,and Dennis Miller) and most of hollywood back democrats. Anyone with common sense knows this. The problem is you are all being duped. Just keep lapping it up. Your children will need to learn farce or arabic.
oh yes and dont for get the guidence system that clinton gave to the chineese government for there icbm,s now there was a fine how do you do now stanley see what another fine mess youve gotten us into gera
I don't understand why everyone thinks Obama is "the one"!! I haven't heard him spell out any new plans for change. Also, there are different kinds of change. Good and bad. He is bad news! I will vote for Hillary even if she isn't on the ticket! Wake up America!
The days of Cronkite are far gone, but oh such good memories of an objective, fair, and balanced view on the real news...not the entertainment and human interest stories of today. Viewers could not tell, in those days, which way the newscasters were leaning, and the newscasters would have been horrified if they thought for a second they were imbalanced. Those were the days of civility, true journalism, and scholarly objectivity as much as is possible. Today, no one believes in objectivity, which is of course impossible in an absolute sense, and so all caution is thrown to the wind and every big mouth on TV takes their turn espousing what they think the world needs to hear...and as a result we are in a sorry state where our youth don't know true journalism at all.
Mark @ 117:
I'm glad you're not a Democrat too. Really. And you misspelled 'Farsi,' you sad little monoglot, although I daresay you already speak 'farce.' And 'Arabic' should have a capital 'A' at the beginning.
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Sane Person @ 108:
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it doesn't take a genius to figure out who supports who.
msnbc-obama, a younger audience
fox-mccain, white male audience
cnn-clinton, an older audience
each network reflects the groups they try to target fox news and msnbc represent the right wing and left wing perspectives, respectively. cnn represents the center left and at times the center right. i know some will say different about cnn but right and left wingers will usually take any disagreement as an affront, because they are idealoges. the notion that any media outlet is "fair and balanced" is a joke. all news networks are business first and will pander to their audiences, plain and simple. what it comes down to is do you want to hear your point of view or not.
the choice for this election year is simple. if you like the course we're on but you think it needs to be tweaked a bit then mccain is your choice. if you don't like the course we're on then obama is your choice. at the end of the day all of that other stuff is irrelevent.
i dont know Dobbs 3.party or not, but I guess his any party who is going kick out everyone from this country.This is the time when need somebody with new , energetic, who able rebuild America! Not for the 60 70 years old senators, or president who is steel live in the old time! This is 2008 and people need job, home, food, education for are future.
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It is obovious who are voting for if you listen to them carefully and some you need not; and "SOME" push for their favorite. However, there are a few that is very fair. Lou Dodds is one of them. Really, doesn't matter, cause all should be doing their research on all canidates and make up their own minds instead of going with the flow. That is how we got BUSH. I didn't vote for Bush.
who cares what these people think, they ask questions for a living. I am not sure that gives them any special site.
It is easy to tell who is voting for whom. I just wish more would be as fair as Lou Dobbs is ... in reporting about all candiates instead of those pushing their favorites.
I rest my case miss kitty
The Hot Seat question, "Should TV pundits tell us who they support for president is kind of stupid as well as moot. They already do. Look at the headlines today: "Obama poised to reach milestone..." "Obama: it could be today!" The media cannot contain their glee. They have been in the tank for Obama for months now. You don't have to be a genius to read betweent the headlines. The press is in the business of telling everyone else how and what to think. Since when is this news?
Mark @ 129:
You can't rest a case you never had
You forgot
Matthews=Obama
Offerman=Obama
and I question Dobbs as Hillary he was Obama until Immigration
Where are John McCain's sons & first wife?
Are they going top vote for him?
Why are the GOP & Cindy keeping them out of sight?
Andrew, you can’t post an entire article like that in tje comment section—JA
And yet, there it still is...
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Great blog topic. From my viewpoint, it seems like every single one of these network commentators (i.e, manipulators of the truth) are Obama supporters. With the exception, perhaps, of Wolf Blitzer and Lou Dobbs- who seem fairly unbiased.
Jack Cafferty has to be the most blatantly misogynist one out there...I worry that he's going to self-implode on camera whenever HRC is mentioned...
Hey, I don't care who supports whom....just try to PRETEND that you're neutral, and present the facts as they are. Watching these cable news shows, I feel like I've stepped into the jr high school lunch room, and am privy to all of the gossiping and backstabbing that best characterizes that level of maturity and character development.
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The Bulldog Manifesto @ 111:
that wasn't really a direct answer
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Rush Limbaugh=Rush Limaugh
Obama is a newcomer that's creating alot of excitement. THAT's why he gets good press. That being said, The media jumped on the Rev. Wright thing WAY more than Hillary's Bosnain fantasy.
In fact, if a male was caught lying as often as Hillary has been or flipped flopped on NAFTA and illegal's getting their driver's licenses on LIVE, national TV the way Hill was... they would have been done in long ago. Truth be told, the ONLY reason Hill's still in the race is because of the racist and sexist attitudes of middle aged white women and blue collar workers from rural areas.
Hillary and McCain have long histories, which makes their statements easier to pick to apart. When Hill says she's against NAFTA and there are 20 public statements form her supporting it, is the press supposed to ignore that? CNN, the Clinton News Network might, but not NBC... the best in the biz. When she flips on Illegal's getting driver licenses during a debate on live TV, is the press supposed to ignore that too... just because she's a woman? Hillary blew this campaign with her lies and her flip flopping... and to blame the press for it now is WEAK, very weak. A man would NOT do that.
Face it, American women today play the victim and gender card at every turn. I WAS a Hillary supporter until she went that route. I simply can't respect ANYONE, male or female who wants to get the White House by whining and playing the victim card. That is not strength, it pathetic pablum for sexist women who watch too much Lifetime Television. The "Oprahfaction" of Amercia has brainwashed women into feeling entitled to things they didn't earn and to blame men when they don't get them.
Don't tell me you're "as strong as any man" and then whine about how hard your life is. Could you imagine GW whining about how the press picks on him?
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And Glenn Beck?
I'm sure others like yourself and I have noticed the same pattern, it's very easy to identify each anchor with a candidate, and that is OK, what is not OK, is the hipocricy that exist from some of them whom pretend not to care either way- althogh I must make it clear that Cafferty had already come out and made it known that he was supporting the Obama candidacy, K.O. also made statements have where his support we're lined up....in the beginning of the campaign he supported Hillary-not openly, but it was obvious, since super tuesday his alliegiance switched to Obama, and that was made clear; I believe we all knew this from watching, and I think they know that they're giving us hints, but the only person that believes he's not transparent and continous to declare he does not have a dog in the fight is Lou Dobbs...he's the most desingenious of them all.
knot necisary. if'n you cain't figur it out, yur to dum to vot
I agree with the person who mentioned Tim Russert's flaming bias...
Whatever happened to him? He used to be an awesome reporter, asking pertinent and intelligent questions, without drawing personal conclusions (leaving that to the audience)... The mark of great reporter.
These days, however...Did anyone notice the relentless, attack dog viciousness he focused on HRC in the Clinton/Obama debate several months ago?
Compare that to the "intimate chat" he had with Obama on his Sunday talk show a few weeks ago...seemed like he was about to sing Obama a lullaby and rock him to sleep..
This is the kind of rampant and unapologetic bias that has angered and mystified any non-Obama supporters..
i wonder why this was never a problem (" news " personalities taking sides) until they had to choose between 2 democrats. Everyone was happy while they were picking on republicans or ripping our president to shreads. I didnt capatalize the first letter so miss kitty would have something else to bitch about.
Why are we taking this article seriously, considering all of the innacuracies and poorly thought-out arguments?
For instance: the pundits pntificate "in such a way tha you can close your eyes and still know who they support"? Why do we need to open our eyes for a better clue? Isn't it their spoken opinions that allow us to understand where they lean? What does that even mean?
Or: Russert actually had Obama on Meet the Press a few weeks ago and spent a *half an hour* of the full hour talking about Reverend Wright, the most uncomfortable talking point Obama has yet to encounter, and when Hillary was on he used *seven* different quotes to call her out on her vote on the Iraq war. I wouldn't say he's easier on them than McCain- it's curious that there are no examples in this articles, only a primitive pundit-to-candidate diagram.
But lastly, and most importantly: Why are we so concerned about reporters choosing sides? Edward R. Murrow, perhaps the greatest American journalist ever, was staunchly against McCarthy's tactics, and said so, and we would have been the worse off if he hadn't. At the start of the 21st century our journalists were spineless and bland in their reporting, never once calling the Bush Administration out on the Iraq War. Forgive me if I prefer it this way- journalists can choose whatever side they think is right, it doesn't mean they'll stop investigating their guy if he does something wrong.
Alan Colmes-Fox=Hillary
I can see by the comments and the polls that this country is still split down the middle! That is a Shame! If McCain is voted into office than this country deserves everything it gets! It has already, being as most of you voted for Bush for two terms! Obama might not be the right man either, but he has gotta do better than McCain would do, and certainly Bush!
It so funny to me that most Blue Collar people are most likely going to vote for McCain, the one person that has none of their financial interests at heart! He will keep the money flowing to the Rich, and Middle Class is Doomed, and the Poor, well they have always been screwed!! A shame that Blue Collar people don't have the intelligence to vote in their best interests!
Jim wrote:
"Face it, American women today play the victim and gender card at every turn. I WAS a Hillary supporter until she went that route. I simply can’t respect ANYONE, male or female who wants to get the White House by whining and playing the victim card. That is not strength, it pathetic pablum for sexist women who watch too much Lifetime Television. The “Oprahfaction” of Amercia has brainwashed women into feeling entitled to things they didn’t earn and to blame men when they don’t get them.
Don’t tell me you’re “as strong as any man” and then whine about how hard your life is."
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Thanks for reminding all of us what pure misogyny (that's hatred towards women, if you're unclear about the meaning of the word) looks and sounds like.
Um, these scum support whoever is in power. Like that pumpkinhead Russert. Want your propaganda spread? Stop over Sunday!
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