Bob Shrum shows us why we lose against the media time after time
By John Amato Wednesday May 21, 2008 11:00am
How many times have major Dem elites been given a chance to tell Russert the truth? He never takes questions on his show and is often brought on NBC and MSNBC to impart his truth to us. Given a chance to finally smack down Tim Russert on MTP with an opening bigger than a super highway to drive his very nice car through, Bob Shrum demonstrates why the liberal elite think it's more important to kiss the ring of the High Commissioner of the Beltway weenies rather than stick up for the awful treatment Democratic Politicians have received for decades. He may know a lot about politics and the history of the party, but watch and recoil.
Download | play 
Download | play (major h/t Silent Patriot)
This isn't about supporting Hillary or Obama because they will turn on Obama versus McCain in due time. In Schrummy's mind he'd rather let them walk all over Dems, assist in hiding their roll in the process, then dare tell Russert the truth. Hillary Clinton actually took an ad out against Tim Russert and he felt so bad about it, but fear not Tim, you had Schrummy to comfort you and caress you. Please make sure you have me back on the show Mr. Russert, so I can bill many more millions of dollars to another Dem candidate. You see, I have a seat at the table. Don't let Harold Ford take it from me, Tim, PLEASE!
MR. SHRUM: And if she wants to get mad, she ought to put a picture of Euclid up there, because the problem is the math doesn't add up. No matter how you do this, this race is fundamentally over. She's not going to be the Democratic nominee for president, Barack Obama is. And we need to go into a process of healing. And I want to say, on her behalf in the last week, the, the level of the rhetoric has come down, the level of the attacks have come down. She's making an electability argument. I think she really cares about the Democratic Party, and I hope that, in the end, whether she's mad at you or not, she can somehow or other help unite this party and move us toward victory in November.
Sure Bob, she shouldn't be mad at the network over this? Or this one either. The Daily Howler: "Russert Wept:
Is there no decency?This would not stand! Helping us understand “her problem,” Bob Shrum rushed in to succor his friend—to pander, kiss, smooch, fuss and fawn."
Transcript via MSNBC:
MR. RUSSERT: Tuesday, Oregon and Kentucky, two primaries. Hillary Clinton still campaigning, not against Barack Obama. She is now taking on another group of people, Washington insiders. This was Hillary Clinton on the campaign stump on Saturday.
(Videotape)
SEN. HILLARY CLINTON (D-NY): And you know all those people on TV who are telling you and everybody else that this race is over and I should, you know, just be, you know, graceful and say, "Oh, it's over," even though I've won more votes, those are all people who have a job. Those are all people who have health care. Those are all people who can afford to send their kids to college. Those are all people who can pay whatever is charged at the gas pump. They're not the people I'm running to be a champion for.
(End videotape)
MR. RUSSERT: Where's the love?
MR. MURPHY: You know, I hear...
MR. RUSSERT: She must be talking about James Carville and Rahm Emanuel, because...
MR. SHRUM: No, no. She has a, she has a picture of you in her ad, and I think a picture of George Stephanopoulos. Look, her problem...
MR. RUSSERT: And Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews...
MR. SHRUM: And if she wants to get mad, she ought to put a picture of Euclid up there, because the problem is the math doesn't add up. No matter how you do this, this race is fundamentally over. She's not going to be the Democratic nominee for president, Barack Obama is. And we need to go into a process of healing. And I want to say, on her behalf in the last week, the, the level of the rhetoric has come down, the level of the attacks have come down. She's making an electability argument. I think she really cares about the Democratic Party, and I hope that, in the end, whether she's mad at you or not, she can somehow or other help unite this party and move us toward victory in November.
MR. RUSSERT: Sister Lucille taught me how to add, that's my only...\
Many thanks to Bob Somerby for posting this first:
That was stirring stuff! But it started with a Big Dem Consultant running about as fast as he could to take the side of these long-time Democrat-trashers against a Big Major Dem. Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo! he said. Oh pleasepleaseplease, he told his friend. Pleasepleaseplease don’t punish me for the vile things this vile person said!
If she wants to get mad! In that gruesome formulation, Shrum revealed a basic fact about Democratic Party elites: No matter what happens to them or their candidates, they pretty much never get mad. Put more simply: We’ve rarely seen the slightest sign that these people really care about who wins elections. Over the years, Russert has very much earned a butt-whipping from anyone concerned with Dem Party politics. But when Clinton dares to flash his face in one ad, Shrum runs to comfort/console him.
But then, a lot of this is going on as the Democratic campaign winds down. Simple story: Your political world has long been built to hide the role the Russerts play in deciding the fate of Major Dem hopefuls. Career Dems won’t address it; Big Scribes play dumb too. Yesterday, Shrum kissed, smooched, swooned and fawned.
Our Liberal elites are killing us.
Login or Register to post comments.
Throw me the idol, I'll throw you the whip!!!
good thing timmeh doesn't go to mediamatters.
More fun to just Be The Media.
The crazy thing is that the same MSM that is love with Obama, is the same MSM that crucified Gore in 2000, and the same is happening today with MI & FL votes not being included.
Hillary will accept losing and will walk away if she loses fair & square, but not by denying 2.3 million people for their voice to be counted.
The DNC and all rank & file Democrats fought for 537 votes, and the MSM drove the GOP message to "give up."
Now, 2.3 million people are being denied their vote. 2 states! The narrative again is to "give up."
No.
NO!
If Obama wants votes from Clinton supporters in November, a good way to start is by including the FL & MI votes & full delegates. South Carolina and Iowa also broke the rules, but I don't see anybody taking their votes away. Not to say this will seal the deal for Obama, as I want him to carry Universal Healthcare too, but it's a start.
And please, don't give me "ROOLZ" again. I know them, and they stink and I think anyone that defends denying the votes of 2 states is very unDemocratic and stinks too.
Forgive me for straying off the path for a second but Webb's GI bill is coming up for a vote today in the senate. I see that Senator Obama is there to vote but I haven't seen Hillary or McCain. Has anyone else spotted them?
As for punkin head and Shrum, they are on the list of people I yell STFU to on tv. They make noise and if I listen to them them make me furious.
The Media doesn't cover FACT. If they did they would be drumming on these facts.
Osama Bin Ladin is still free.
Bush did exactly what Bin Ladin wanted done, to cripple the American Economy.
Bush did that better than could be imagined.
When Bush came to office Oil was $28 dollars per barrel, it is now $135.00 per barrel and rising. What does bush do, he goes and begs the Saudis to lower the price and then Insults them by talking in a disparaging way about Dictators and Kings.
We're still in Iraq after more than five years, and instead of the 10 billion dollar estimate we were given it is now up to 850 billion and climbing.
Does McSame have a plan to change this direction?
NO, just the same tired old rhetoric and he wants war with Iran.
I might also offer that shrummie referenced a geometer, not a mathematician. poor triangulation Pissed-off Patricia. Amen
SM @ 4:
The candidates signed a paper saying they would not campaign in Florida. We knew our votes wouldn't count when we cast them. Senator Clinton did not protest our votes not counting until she discovered she wasn't a shoo in on super Tuesday. As a Floridian, I am not concerned about my primary vote not counting, the one I am concerned about is the one I will cast again for Senator Obama in November.
I can promise you with all my heart, if the roles were reversed and Senator Obama had more votes in Florida due to the primary, I would feel just as I do now. We knew the rules going in and after the game is over if someone wants to change the rules for future games, that's fine be me.
And no, I do not stink. I smell rather lovely.
pop,
Why bother trying to deter SM from making his/her contribution to "Hillary fatigue"?
It's not over though. Even if Obama is leading in Delegates, the process is not legally complete until the votes are officially cast and confirmed at the convention.
I mean face it there really is strange media and politcal manipulation happening here.
Whens the last time a Superbowl was stopped and ended in the late third quarter because one team was ahead? Or a baseball game halted before the game was officially over because a team has a sizable lead?
hillary agreed to FL and MI deal from the start.
she wouldn't have an issue with it if she were in the lead.
this is not anything like 2000.
im disliking hillary more and more by the day.
she uses karl rove as a source for her arguments.
im losing faith altogether.
FTW
SM @ 4:
You are spreading lies and deceit, just like Hillary Clinton.
As somebody above said, Clinton signed a pledge that she would have her name removed from the ballots in said states.
Most of the other candidates removed their names. Clinton broke her promise and did not. This was her deceitful way of obtaining "insurance" for later on, in the event that she was losing. She is now attempting to cash in on that insurance, which is (in my opinion) malicious.
She is a liar. You are a liar for repeating the same deceit.
Have you no shame whatsoever?
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ @ 6:
There's still one major problem Bob
http://tinyurl.com/2natgf
Talk softly, carry a big stick up your ass, then ask them for your balls back. Shrump.--CEO
i used to defend hillary, but she has made the job impossible
with all do respect... fuck off mr. shrum.
you are part of the problem.
and not just in america. your stink is now international.
please, retire and take your merry band of "advisors", "plotters", "strategists", otherwise known as neoliberal-corporatists, away with you. settle down, relax, take it easy, just get out of politics, you and your ilk are poisonous.
L.A. Confidential @ 10:
Well, this isn't a sporting event. But as long as we're mentioning irrelevant analogies here, how about a TKO in boxing?
Blue Lensman @ 9:
Yes, and despite SM's self-reported bona fides as a politically engaged citizen (which are impressive and I have no reason not to believe), SM can't seem to get over the fact that no matter how we slice it, the problem with what to do with the votes of MI and FL is a mess, largely of their own creation, and additionally, that no one is actively trying to take away anyone else's votes. I have seen SM's posts on the matter at least 2 or 3 other times and my sympathy wears thin.
the MSM keeps touting mcsame's area of expertise is foreign diplomacy.
the keep repeating that meme with his name.
its a TOTAL FABRICATION.
mcsame is a liar
rekroc @ 17:
Face it. The media-others are trying to make her quit so they can roll out the neocon mega cannons asap on Obama before the Dem party actually has a chance to unite.
Bob Shrum actually is the kind of egghead, pansy-ass weenie that repubs are talking about when they decry all Dems as liberal elites we should despise. How did that Gore campaign turn out for you anyway, Shrummy?
As politically intelligent as the Clintons are, I don't for the life of me know why they didn't realize and accept that the Dem establishment is broken, and have Hillary stop running as the establishment candidate. It's likely as much Obama's anti-establishment counter-culture approach to campaigning as anything else that got him to where he is now.
McSaMe
AHH! So many lies! Obama, Clinton and Mccain just can't keep all their lies straight! It just goes to show that dishonesty always catches up to you in the end.
"Our Liberal elites are killing us."
liberal? shrum? never would have guessed. he has worked so hard stiffling the voices of the people, spinning shit professionally, i am surprised anyone would consider him a liberal. unless that was snark.
neoliberal, yes.
i would like a beer distribution license. mcsame has one.
he's a repug. what about the free market?
the MSM sucks.....they fabricate a fairy tale narrative.
they should all meet the guillotine!!!
btw SM,
I am looking up articles about SC and Iowa. Any info you have would be helpful.
(are we getting OT?)
pissed off patricia @ 8:
Patricia, so then why did you vote if you felt that way? I know what I thought when I voted, I said to myself "eventually it will work itself out and my vote will count in the end."
Well, the end has come. Voters did not make up the rules. And if we are going to stick by the rules, then Iowa & South Carolina should also be penalized for moving their dates up as well. But see, that's not happening because Obama won those states and that's what makes it so infuriating and unfair.
Rules also said that if a candidate withdraws his/her name from a ballot, that candidate is not entitled to any delegates or popular votes cast in "Uncommitted."
PS: Obama ran national ads that aired in FL. Technically, he campaigned here. So rules were broken on his behalf. And he may lose all of his FL delegates because whether it was intentional or not, ROOLZ ARE ROOLZ.
We fought hard for 537 votes, fought for Ohio votes in 2004, and we're not going to fight for 2 states worth of votes? What is happening to our Democracy? Did I just wake up in 1950s Soviet Union all of a sudden?
Bonkers Hussein @ 26:
David Cook wins 'American Idol' by 12 million votes.
Daves dominating the voting news this morning.
Maybe later the MSM will cover Bo or Hill.
Lollimom @ 12:
You are the one that doesn't have all the truth and NO I am not a liar!
Candidates had the option to remove their names from the ballot. Obama & Edwards did that to get more points in Iowa & NH.
Clinton and Kucinich were on the MI ballot because they chose to stay on. So when you have some truth in your pocket, please share it with us.
a little off topic, but dang this has to be pushed at every opportunity: What does middle america understand, what will make them wake up and vote for a change, how do you get them to comprehend that there is a bigger picture, how do you get them to know that GW is not their friend, he is not the one you would walk down to the corner bar to have a drink with, he is the one who would send your kids off to die in his war for his cause. How do you get them to understand that. The answer my friend is not blowing in the wind, it's at the gas pump. when a previous poster stated that gas was at $28 dollars a barrel at the beginning of king george's term and now it's pushing $135 which equates to over $4 a gallon, now that's language that the heartland can understand. if the dems wait for the conservatives to sugarcoat it, the dems will lose. They need to go on the offensive with soundbites of gas pump woes. put it in small simple easy to understand words and language and use golly and shucks a lot. I guarantee it will blow the republicans and this whole lot of crooked politicians out of the water. Don't wait. Go on the offensive.
L.A. Confidential @ 20:
There are many, many ordinary people who think Hillary should quit, not just the media. She's done quite a bit of aiming her own mega-cannons at Obama and now at the Democratic party in general. She's done more to align herself with McCain than Obama over the past several months.
It's impossible for her to win this, yet she won't back off. If she really has the best interests of FL and MI in mind, then she can certainly continue to "fight" for them from the sidelines.
The Clintons are pissing away their legacy as the most revered name in Democratic politics since the Kennedys.
SM @ 29:
In reading the other comments here, it appears you have issues with the truth and with your pro-Clinton love affair.
I said she signed a pledge that she would remove her name. A promise she made, in writing. Unlike the other candidates, she broke that promise. She can't be trusted; she is a liar.
Kucinich himself said that his name was on the ballot ONLY because of a process/staff glitch.
I'll not argue with you anymore, because I do believe you are a liar and that you are fully aware of the facts. A person can't be a regular on this blog without knowing the facts by now.
I don't think I can watch Eyes Wide Shut pundit sex on my teevee
Hillary and Bill need to go join the Republican party. They are totally duplicitous! They represent the wealthy class while pretending to
serve everybody. We need to shut the wealthy creeps down for good this time. Eliminate all corporate lobbying and reinstate time limits
on corporate charters.
Bonkers Hussein @ 26:
I'd be glad to, here they are:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/09/sc.gop.primary/index.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec07/primary_08-09.html
From the NY Times:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/south-carolina-democrats-j...
SM @ 4:
Hillary is on record stating, prior to the Michigan vote, that the election WOULD NOT COUNT. Also it was Harold Ickes who served on the Rules Committee that stripped FL and MI of their delegates based on their breaking of the rules.
Well, dumbass, you're including Hillary Clinton, who agreed with the rules before she disagreed with them, and her campaign strategists. So please, don't give us your bullshit. An election without rules isn't an election. And in the case of Michigan, an election WITH ONLY ONE CANDIDATE ON THE BALLOT ISN'T AN ELECTION!!!!!
Lollimom @ 32:
The pledge stated that the candidates would not campaign there, it wasn't to remove their name from the ballot.
Name removing was optional.
SM @ 4:
The flaw in your argument is that Hillary really has lost fair and square. More Dem primary voters took a look at the candidates and voted for Obama than voted for her. That is still how we (are supposed to) decide elections, isn't it?
And no, I'm not counting Michigan in that, because it's absolutely absurd to count it. It's like saying that the hamburger sales at Louis' Lunch prove that its patrons love burgers the best (hint hint: it's the only thing on the menu).
And despite Hillary's purported gallantry in fighting for the voters of MI and FL, funny how the other part of her electability argument rests on counting the voters in "big" states as more important than voters in "little" states. That's pretty impressive, to be able to talk out of both sides of your mouth like that.
Look, the reality is that she's talking tough and staying in the race probably so that she can continue raising campaign contributions as long as legally possible, in order to pay off the massive debt her campaign is in.
She's also trying to save face for herself and her supporters by staying in until the process actually ends instead of dropping out, so that they can eventually feel all right about supporting Obama without feeling like they betrayed her. I really doubt she still has any real delusions about actually winning.
rekroc @ 31:
Thats not true. Delegates for a wide variety of reasons can and will do an about face at the last minute.
She could actually win this thing.
Obama will win Montana and South Dakota. He has a majority of pledged delegates and will have a majority of super delagates and overall delagates. And yet, HRC still may not throw in the towel and will take this to the convention floor. But why would you cheer her on, LA?
L.A. Confidential @ 38:
And I could win the lottery this month...
Blue Lensman @ 39:
If we are serious about a fair and just the election process, we can't be hypocrites and say, hey it's freaking over already will someone grab that bitch by the hair and drag her butt out a here. He's got the dam delegates nothing else matters!
Thats the way it's done in Banana Republics.
Relevant?
http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/
Slight grammatical error in your otherwise excellent post -- you use the word "roll", when you mean "role".
L.A. Confidential @ 41:
Politics as per shopping malls?
I'm not suggesting that anyone drag her out. I'm suggesting that she should concede now for the good of the party because she will in fact lose.
Are banana republics where republicans get their fruits
Or just in airport bathrooms?
Obly @ 37:
I also think that she is building up her "political capital" in order to land whatever job she has her eye on (VP? A seat on the SCOTUS? Somfin' like dat). There are several possible reasons for her not to have dropped out just yet, most of which have to do with the fact that she is a shrewd, ambitious, ballsy, and even ruthless politician. The woman sure has guts, imho.
Bonkers Hussein @ 26:
I don't know where my last post went but here they are:
Washington Post:
PBS:
New York Times:
L.A. Confidential @ 41:
Well, then, I guess John Edwards and Dennis Kucinich, Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee have all done this primary thing the "Banana Republic" way. Not to mention all of candidates who graciously dropped out during the countless primary races we've had in previous years...
rekroc @ 49:
Oh, logic. How refreshing..
L.A. Confidential @ 41:
I'm all for her fighting until she's and Obama are both burger; she's earned that and besides, when one is THIS close to being president, you don't quit easily or on anybody else's terms. They'll both recover in short order as soon as the nomination is settled. Just so long as she is done campaigning for McCain, I'm totally support her right to do whatever she wants.
Blue Lensman @ 45:
This is basically just a repeat of Kennedy versus LBJ in 1960. It's uncanny the similarities in many ways.
Blue Lensman @ 50:
Maybe American Idol could do an America Picks Obama's VP program.
SM @ 27:
I don't know where you went to sleep or woke up but I voted for Obama in the primary because I was so excited about his candidacy that I just couldn't wait until November. And no I had no expectation of it ever counting, I just wanted to be able to say I did it.
At the very beginning of the campaign the media treated Hillary as if she had the nomination sewn-up. No complaints from home-girl then. Yes, it's lazy journalism, but she was once the beneficiary of it.
Sean @ 55:
All I notice is now that sites are starting to roll out anti-McCain articles, the comment sections in hate Hillary pieces are still more popular with Obama supporters.
L.A. Confidential @ 52:
Naah...LBJ was waaay cuter then Hillary. LOL!
Sorry...couldn't resist.
Underground Pirate @ 34:
the msm's meme is that she's for the white working class.
it's their way of saying obama has trouble with stupid white people.
L.A. Confidential @ 41:
Actually the way it's done in this Banana Republic is that the loser bullies his way to victory in the press by making shit up and blowing up a fume of phony outrage.
L.A. Confidential @ 56:
I can't speak to other sites so much, but if you're snarking about this thread, I might note that it was meant to be anti-Shrum, not anti-Hillary, and that it was Hillary supporters, not Hillary haters, who sparked off the current round o' flames.
But whatever...people see what they want to see and remember what they want to remember, and that's what makes partisans so...well...partisan.
I think that once the primary race is finally over one way or another, and the loser gets up on stage and gives permission to her/his followers to support the other candidate without feeling bad about it, we might actually see a unified party. But right now saving face is what's important, and that means fighting even a losing battle to the final bell.
Of course she can stay in the race after she has all but conceded. Ron Paul is doing the same thing. The difference is that Ron Paul is doing so to promote an agenda independent of himself and to attack Republican policies with which he strongly and genuinely disagrees.
Hillary remains in the race to advance her own ultimate goal: the advancement of Hillary Clinton. And beware to all who stand in her way.
I am with Bob Schrum on this. She has no ground to stand on when she uses the media to spew her lies and not get called on it. Yes, Twitty was out of line but the truth is Hillary is the worst person to call out the media when she uses the media to her personal political advantage only. There is a word for that, but I will not use it here.
Come on! She gave an interview to Mellonscaife and her husband went on Limbaugh's show!!!! WHere is THEIR integrity and honor. Are you asking me to respect her for that? I think she bringts most of that stuff on herself. In fact, one can argue that she is being handled with kids' gloves by the MSM. Just look at how Stephnapolous treated her and Obama on taht debate. Cry me a river Hillary!
Clinton has been the target of some sexist attacks and otherwise appalling coverage. That doesn't make her the best candidate, and those attacks are not the only reason she's losing by a long shot. But the MSM should be challenged on their crap. Shrum is sucking up to the host, as most "liberals" on TV shows do.
Blue Lensman @ 45:
I say, "let her stay!" she can run interference for Obama with the MSM. What frustrates timmeh is that she called him out for declaring her candidacy dead. the efrontery of that woman galls him immensely.
When Hillary is finally gone, they will go full-bore after Obama, so Hillary is serving a good purpose right now. She also exposed the racism of some populations, so the media can focus on that, too. So it's not all bad.
ETHIOLIB @ 62:
Batocchio @ 63:
I think you two are both right. But Billary is still doing a lot by being in the race.
C'mon! It's not June 3rd yet.
Yes, Hillary has been the recipient of some unfair and misogynistic comments in the media. Yet this has been played well by her campaign and has dovetailed quite nicely with HRC's campaign of victimhood. All in all, these "attacks" have worked in her favor.
She has also been the beneficiary of a very favorable media which, for the most part, still pretends that Hillary has a chance if she can just win the next primary. It is also a media that has, thus far, painstakingly avoided any serious examination of her laughable claims of "experience."
On balance, Hillary has much to be thankful for and little to complain of. But when you're running as a "victim" you take anything you can get.
I stand by a point I made in a different thread. These folks aren't all that smart. For most of the time they're reading from cards, and are not permitted to deviate from the script. It's as simple as that. We give folks like Russert et. al. much more credit than they actually deserve.
SM @ 4:
thanks for the clintonista talking points
ding dong the witch is dead
Hmmm, is this not the same Bob Shrum who led the Kerry 2004 campaign to defeat?
Yeah, thought so. Who cares what he thinks?
The only part I disagree with is that Hillary Clinton "cares about the Democratic Party".
She doesn't care about the Democratic Party as a whole-- she only wants to keep the DLC, corporate faction in charge of it. Ever since the 2006 elections, there's been a struggle for control of the party. It's basically the entrenched, corporate, big money 'our sponsors win when we lose' faction vs. the grassroots.
The DLC-types would rather see the party lose the election than have the other faction of their own party win.
Don't forget David Schuster who I happen to like said something pretty disrespectful about Chelsea. I'm really annoyed about how Randi tries to make Schuster to be the victim in that case. What he said may have been a mistake but it was way out of line.
Bob Shrum stared his career working for NYC Mayor John Lindsay, an unsuccessful candidate for the Democratic Presidential nomination in 1972. He also worked for Senator Ed Muskie, another unsuccessful Democratic candidate in '72. In the '72 general election, he worked on the unsuccessful campaign of Sen. George McGovern.
In 1980 he worked for Sen Ted Kennedy in his - you guessed it - unsuccessful attempt to wrest the Democratic nomination from sitting President Jimmy Carter. In 1988 Shrum supported Rep. Dick Gephardt in his - anyone see a pattern here? - unsuccessful primary campaign. Shrum switched to Gov. Michael Dukakis in the '88 general election and played a key roll in helping the 'little Greek that could' pull off the political upset of the century. PSYCH!! Dukakis, too, was unsuccessful. You begin to wonder, "Why would anyone hire this guy?" Next up was Sen. Bob Kerrey in the '92 Democratic primary. Unsuccessful again. Vice President Al Gore in '00 was extremely well qualified, was running to succeed a very popular and successful Democratic President and his opponent in the general election was an amiable but unqualified dimwit. Then Gore went and hired Bob Shrum. A landslide turned into a very close race and the Republicans were able to steal it in the end. Unsuccessful. In 2004 Shrum was - stop the presses - unsuccessful in helping Sen. John Kerry to defeat perhaps the worst president in American history.
What is this man doing on television speaking on behalf of democrats?
Who, in his right mind, would take this man's advice?
Why didn't that pussy Russert show the part of the ad with his and his buddies at MSNBCs' faces in the ad? Run out of time or just editing the news for us again? Bob Scum who hasn't won an election for any democrat in decades is asked to comment why????
I really appreciate Crooks and Liars for allowing EVERYONE to have a right to speak. Unlike Huffington Post where they're so in the backside of Obama they censor anyone who remotely stands up for Hillary. Thanks again for the American style free speech. Huffington Post, shame on you! I guess Arianna still has some of that conservatism left coursing through her veins.
rekroc @ 17:
Or the 10 run rule in Softball?
Hillary is continuing this race for her own aggrandizement, not the good of the party. She should stop wasting everyone's time and money and bow out gracefully. Save what little dignity she has left.
pissed off patricia @ 8:
...which is an irrelevant argument...
BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit @ 66:
because clinton's been around a deteriorating system for so long, she's adopted some of its characteristics to survive... big deal... has it been so long ago that the dixie chicks were reviled...?... she's been the most consistent in perhaps the most important characteristic required in a leader, tenacity... and when it comes to dealing with established local, national, international and trans-national power with entrenched misogynies far beyond what the msm has been guilty of... she's still come back fighting... whether you people are finally ready for a complete adoption of new age / new millenium version of the kumbaya bleeding heart liberalism founded in the seventies, it's going to take some serious focus to begin changing old, established and ancient power structures...
she is fighting to break an old glass ceiling and has to my view milked that goat anywhere near as much as she could or perhaps should have by now... speaking as a bleeding heart liberal white male product of the hippie generation... i'm pretty damned embarrassed by the amount of knuckle-dragging still going on... and particularly so since it also dominates a paradigm while being invisible at the same time...
she is quite correct on one very specific point... and that is "bitch" should be regarded as being the equivalent of "n****r"...
Now you're getting it...it's a GAME...and it's all about "the seat at the table" and the CHECK!!! Never mind the folks sitting out there hoping for some information and enlightenment...you might as well watch THE VIEW with Hasselback's fuzzy version of the truth...because there are days those gals make more sense than anyone on HARDBALL/COUNTDOWN/MTP and the rest...what a bunch of puffed up fools those paid for pundits are...and Keith Olbermann has become the worst of the worst...so sad!
klunk @ 78:
you are right about the b-word, but if Hillary wants to be fair, she can play the game the way everyone else does and not look for special circumstances to justify continuing and putting her party's chances of victory at risk.
CoIntelPro for Democratic Party Victory @ 80:
...sure... but everyone else should also be held to the same standard as she's being held up to...
Bob Schrum as the voice of this seasons most loveable cartoon character - Kung Fu Panderer.
Login or Register to post comments.