McCain Campaign Lying About The Polls
*Gasp* A politician fudging the facts to make himself look better? What will they think of next?
The NY Times today quotes a McCain campaign adviser defending the campaign's performance because even though "the Republican Party brand is very, very badly damaged, ... Senator McCain is running even or ahead of Senator Obama in most national polls."
That is a false statement, which the Times did not correct.
I recently penned an op-ed for last Friday's Omaha World-Herald about why the attacks on Obama have failed to derail his path to the nomination, and failed to deny him a clear lead against Sen. John McCain (Full op-ed below).
I led with the observation, "He beats Sen. John McCain in seven of eight major polls taken this month, with margins mostly between 5 and 7 points, and the most recent survey showing a 10-point lead."
That assertion was based on leads reported in the following polls taken in May:
CBS/NY Times: Obama, 11 points
USA Today/Gallup: McCain, 1 point
Ipsos: Obama, 4 points
LA Times/Bloomberg: Obama, 6 points
NPR: Obama, 5 points
Quinnipiac: Obama, 7 points
ABC/Washington Post: Obama, 7 points
Reuters/Zogby (including Ralph Nader & Bob Barr): Obama, 10 pointsA few polls have been released since I wrote my oped:
GW-Battleground poll: Obama, 2 points
Investor's Business Daily: Obama, 11 points
Newsweek: TieThese May polls do not show that "Senator McCain is running even or ahead of Senator Obama in most national polls." They show that the vast majority of national polls show Obama ahead.
The headline can be trimmed to just the first three words, and it will remain accurate.
i took 5 minutes yesterday and really thought hard about mccain winning in november.
i think our country will break, i mean it, the wheels will come off
with all thats happened i cant see past november
i'm scared
really
another scary thought
who is watching obama's back??
secret service?
who do they work for?
he needs like 20 ex military brothers with him at all times
Well as I have stated on numerous other occasions you have aptly named this blog and with that being said, where was that op-ed column again that you penned? Omaha...and that is where you need to continue writing; because I am sure there is where it will do the most good. Around here it is really just a waste of energy and space.
These people live in candyland
Lying about everything, from the surge to the polls. Will the corporate media lie McWarmonger into the White House?
Then why do I still have an intuition that Obama will not win and McCain will be our next preznit?
What is NOT Mentioned in any of these polls is the fact that they leave out a huge group of people who don't have Land-Lines and there fore cant be polled. That would be the huge group of young people.
I wonder if these polls consider a margin of theft by the polling machines and disenfranchisement?
Also Marko, I believe you have a good idea when you said: Obama needs like 20 ex military brothers with him at all times - to protect against the bigots and the criminal powers that be.
however if he got serious about security in this way the headlines would read: Obama running with his Black Panther Posse, or some bullshit like that...our media is designed this way.
They always say a picture is worth a thousand words. From what I saw from the pictures of the masses that gathered for Obama's speeches, those listed polls are accurate. I can't say that for McCain though. McCain and Bush are having enough trouble just getting people in the door at their convention center.
tyler82 @ 7:
Hearing voices?
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ @ 11:
Yeah, I'm hearing Chris Mathews saying he likes the way McCain smells.
Everyone wants to be on the winning side.
That's why I'm voting for McCain......
Oh, wait. You say the MSM doesn't always tell the truth?
Joe O. @ 10:
Correct Joe, and such small groups that they are having their campaign Pledge meeting in Private homes.
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 12:
Chris Mathpeeeuwws
Is a mistaken oped a moped?
The RNC can only lie and cheat this doddering old fool into the White House. He wouldn't even be considered in most sane nations. Old Man Mc Clown don't even appear concerned. The RNC have probably told him to just flip flop all over because its already a done deal come November.
If a teenager gets for Christmas a Moped from his parents intead of the motorcycle he asked for, does he spend the rest of the holiday moping?
As scary as it may be, some strategists see a way for McCain to
win and win handily. Before you label these guys biased or out
to lunch, I know that Rachael Maddow sees a way for McCain
to win also. But probably not this big.
[url]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10585.html[/url]
Obama needs Hillary and will choose her, IMO. He made a comment the
other day about Lincoln and how he took a lot of his rivals into his cabinet
after a nasty election. Obama was commenting on a question about Hillary as his possible Veep.
If Hillary is his Veep and they win in Novembers, I'll win $750 from two bets I made at a sportsbook. Go Hillary!
Are we sure McCain is lying about everything?
Could be he just can't remember what his position on an issue is from one day to the next. That's why he has to have Lieberman and others stand by his side to remind him:
where he is
what time it is
where he stands on the issues
that he is married
etc.
Funny. The ge hasn't begun yet and already we're whining. Oh, I forgot. Obama's going to ask the repukes to play nice which they inevitably do.
ysbaddaden @ 18:
Today's kids would consider that a major dis and not speak to his parents until he needed money for the rent on the condo he shares with his friend.
Joe @ 19:
fuck clinton
period
when has the truth ever been expected from a repug?
obama wins in a landslide.
Why am I not surprised by this? I don't know how McCain has managed to hold on to his "straight talking Moderate" bullshit image, but it's become pretty laughable.
People should check out the MMFA sight about this very issue. I think it's called McCain's Free Ride? Or something. I really liked how it laid out all the McCain flip flops. Good takling points for when I'm fighting with my moderate father about his support for McCain over Obama!
aftereleanor.blogspot.com
Curious that Newsweak (employer of pigmeister Karl Rove) is calling it a tie.
Not saying it means anything. Just curious.
Or is he employed at Time?
Curse this short-term memory.
How I love that term, "The Republican Brand". Makes it sound as though all they have to do is add a new, secret ingredient and everything will be fine.
The Republican Party, a wholly owned subsidiary of Oil and Special Interests, Inc., has a Chariman of the Board who has ruined every company he ever touched. Now he's going to turn it over to the New Chairman, who has decided that all is well with the company just the way it is.
Going to be tough selling their product. It's made a lot of people really sick.
Check out Goering's quote on how to enslave and terrify a nation. Rove did.
9/11 worked out very well and so has the Iraqi War Crime.
All they have to do is bomb Iran, scream terrorism and little Mac
is a winnah.
The McCain Media strikes again. Better get used to it Barack....you'll get no help from these people.
marko @ 2:
you lasted 5 minutes? i can't get past the 45 second mark, at which point my nose starts to bleed from the sudden rise in blood pressure
as i think that the only way for him to defeat obama is by stealing the election, i predict widespread riots if mccain wins . . . while i cannot condone violence (only the poor will suffer anyway), i'd like to propose widespread boycotts instead . . . we all just stop feeding the corporate greed machine until congress and the courts step in and fulfill their constitutionally mandated duties to safeguard our democracy
i for one would rather go hungry and homeless than continue to sell my productivity to the murdering crooks and liars
And all that will do??? Motivate even more Dems to vote for the Dem nominee. Keep it up morons.
bridger @ 25:
I agree, by at least 9 percentage points come November.
I guess when you have both McCain and Clinton supports perpetuating the same myth, the myth sticks around a bit. Clinton supporters are now feeding the McCain machine. They're helping perpetuate this fallacy that McCain is a strong candidate.
didnt bother to watch hbo last night , recount? i predict hanging gygabytes, voter rolls deleted, viruses at the voteing booth machines , lost machine tally cards , lawyer law suits more kathrine harris obstructionests, supreme court fair and balanced deliverys decisions giveing mccain the election , obama throwing in the towel for national unity , buisness as useual!
marko @ 2:
I think we should all be scared, Marco. Even if the Democrats win enough seats to override a Presidential veto, unless they also take the WH, true progress will not be possible.
The issue is not just McCain. It is the entourage that will also come with him. We have a justice department, which does not even pretend to investigate and prosecute anything not approved by the WH. Virtually every federal agency head, is under investigation, or has been. The war is the main negative issue against Bush, for the vast number of uninformed Americans. However, the damage being committed by the agencies is just as bad (not that the WH does not have their filthy little mitts deeply involved with that).
To make the level of change, our Country so desperately needs, we need to oust every Bush appointee, graduate of Trinity college, and right-wing manager. In other words, a complete house cleaning. We need to put back all of the regulations and oversight, removed by the Bush administration. As important as these items are, for me the most important reformation is with the DoJ. I would not leave a single tree standing, which was not there before Bush took office. We will need an AG, who feels a strong sense of mission. John Edwards would be a perfect choice. He is a brilliant attorney, who has spent most of his career in a courtroom. He is also a strong reformer.
I notice I am starting to make a speech, so will cut this off here. It is pretty obvious I am very passionate about this subject.
Oh gee, McCain lying. what a fucking shock. How can you tell when a republican is lying? They're alive.
Off-topic: Anyone here cut loose any friends for being dittoheads, or just for being repoublicans in general?
I have.
I've done it again. I was having an e-mail exchange with a guy I know in Florida and he was saying McCain was the best of the three candidates. After a heated exchanged, I blocked his e-mail address in my mail app, and I'm done. I don't give a shit about that crap any more.
I'm done with people who are blind, following sheep, listening to the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Michael Save, et al. They regurgiutate Repuke talking points like baptists regurgitate revelations.
I'm not thrilled with the choices we have this year. Clinton is a female Joe Lieberman, she should run as a republican. Obama is the best of a bad lot. But he's going to be the nominee, and I'll vote for him.
The fact is, republicans are all evil, greedy, stupid people who don't care about anybody but themselves and their cronies. I wouldn't piss down the throat of a republican if it was dying of thirst. And I sure as SHIT won't associate with any republican as a "friend."
I'm sick of this shit. Fuck the republicans and if you're a republican, fuck YOU!
AndrewK @ 35:
When "Googling" the nationwise results from all Primaries thus far held, I found the
following vote totals:
Democrats:
Obama = 16,988,627
Hillary = 16,779,567
Republicans:
McCain = 9,206,202
Hucabee = 4,373,398
Romney = 4,143,462
Also, another 6 Million + votes were cast by Democrats for Edwards, Biden, Dodd,
Dennis K. and others.....
So, unless my math is way off, either Hillary or Obama should quite easily defeat
McShame, regardless of the results of these stupid, idiotic polls...In fact, either of
the Dem candidates whipped McShame's ass by an almost 2 to 1 margin.
There are only two ways for McShame to win, in my humble opinion,: Voter minipulation(via Diebold or other) or that some of the Dem's are soooo inmature
that they stay home in Nov., not voting, because his or her man/woman was not
the Democrat nominee.
It's easy to figure out why lies like this aren't being challenged. The WaPo openly admits today that it's gathering its information from Drudge.com:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/26/online_its_target_cl...
Now, while this is an article that tries to explain why Sen. Clinton is doing poorly among the "netroots," the point can be made more generally: reporters aren't doing their jobs, and their publications have no interest in the facts--they're simply interested in stirring up controversies and creating interesting horse races to sell their feeble product. It should be no surprise--and I know it is no surprise to any of us here--that McCain's bending of the facts (umm, *lies*) have gone unchallenged. The press has a vested interest in keeping the election close, or at least making it look like it's close. It sells papers.
At this point don't you think it would make more sense to report the occasions when the reslugs and mcstain DON'T lie? It will certainly save time and space.
It's not news that they lie about absolutely everything...it's news that there are still people who think they don't.
RobertD @ 40:
You have correctly "nailed it" with total accuracy.
Nicole-
First off you're a girl and shouldn't be fretting over politics. Second, with McBush, being five points down is winning. So lets stop all this negative talk about the wife-abusing codger from Arizona and let him say whatever he needs to say to fool the flock. Thank you.
tyree @ 36:
Tyree: I think(hope & pray) you are wrong. I don't see the American voting public
tolerating another 2000 Florida fisaco nor a 2004 Ohio sham as to votes cast, so
I am of the opinion that WE THE PEOPLE will keep a much closer eye at the polling
booths for any Republican dirty tactics. If not,then I will have to agree with what
Albert Einstein is quoted as saying: "Only two things are infinite, the Universe and
human stupidity. And I am not sure of the former. "
RobertD @ 40:
and it makes the theft of anothe election more likely and acceptable. so help me DIEBOLD.
Now if they will just stop polling Hillary against either we can move on..
Doggiebobo @ 39:
I'd like to add the LimbaughDemocratic crossover vote for hillary (about 7%). statistically insignificant in terms of the total numbers, bet wirt acknowledging in terms of facts.
McCain telling a lie? I would only be suprised if he DIDN'T lie...
As an outside observer I know that McCain will win the election. Unfortunately the Republican Party is so good at fear mongering and slander that Obama will narrowly lose. This is a result of 40% of the United States citizenry being religious and borderline retarded, and 11.5 % being very gullible. The 48.5% who are democrats just cannot compete.
Happily as a Canadian I look forward to both coasts of the United State joining Canada to form a utopian nation.
ysbaddaden @ 16:
no it's a mis-story.
Don the Canadian asshole says:
This is a result of 40% of the United States citizenry being religious and borderline retarded, and 11.5 % being very gullible. The 48.5% who are democrats just cannot compete.
Happily as a Canadian I look forward to both coasts of the United State joining Canada to form a utopian nation.
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Why do these foreigners feel the need to comment on an election that isn't any of their business? Don, we have enough idiots in the USA without listening to your nonsense.
Actually, that lie is closer to the truth than most Repug statements are.
"Senator McCain is running even or ahead of Senator Obama in most national polls.”
If you replace "most" with "a couple of" then it becomes credible.
Actually, I think Don the Canadian has hit the nail on the head. I hope to God he is WRONG about McCain the American Asshole winning. These poll numbers are pathetic. Obama should be ahead of McCain by 25 points, 30 points, hell, 50 points! What is the matter with the brainwashed half of this fucked up country? Why would anybody vote for a republican? Republicans do not protect the people, they do not protect consumers. They protect big corporations, big money and oh yea, unborn babies. They start wars, they have bankrupt this country and they trample over the needy. I think, sadly, Don's numbers are just about right.
Both USA TOday and Newsweek/Times are trash publications. Those are noted right-wing rags that pumped up the war. Their credibility equals zero.
McCain is no longer the issue as it relates to the Dems winning the presidency in '08, it's Georgia representative Bob Barr.
He has now become the Libertarian candidate for president and could suck enough potential votes away from both McCain & Obama, that will bring the election precariously close for the Dems if they are not careful.
In my opinion, McCain is not a factor straight up vs any Democrat. But throw in an ultra-conservative from the south and it will definitely cause some problems.
marko @ 3:
Yeah, cause you can't trust us white devils not to shoot him in the back right?
Eake notes on everyone you speak to now, and how they are either a pro boooshie stoode or where they stand, cause when President Obama takes office, the shit will hit the fan, and we will be coming knockin'
I can't fuckin wait to hang the first muddafugging Neo-Con scumbag. I hope it is Karl.
Rick Mack @ 55:
I can't see how anyone who would vote for an ultra-conservative would have been a likely vote for Obama in the first place. He's going to take votes that might have gone to McCain from the far right of the Republican party but I don't see him taking any from a Democrat.
Ali Says:
"Obama should be ahead of McCain by 25 points, 30 points, hell, 50 points! What is the matter with the brainwashed half of this fucked up country? Why would anybody vote for a republican? Republicans"
IF they could actually poll correctly and speak to those that are not sitting at home to answer the damn land line, then I would be with ya, but the polling process is flawed deeply and they like it that way. It adds to the uncertainty factor which allows the Diebold effect to take shape. Yeah like exit polling was ever wrong...only when people have learned that "pre-election polling" was tainted, "Oh, then all polling is tainted." Fukin DUH....NOT
Its called "poisoning the well."
Joe @ 19:
If Hillary is his Veep and they win in Novembers, I'll win $750 from two bets I made at a sportsbook. Go Hillary!
If Obama tags Hillary as his VP, I won't be voting for him. That would be the first indication that he is not keeping his promise of change. Clinton does not equal change. What's more, I'd be fearful for Obama if she is the VP, as much as she's been talking about the idea of assassination in this campaign. Ask Vince Foster. Or Ron Brown. Or........
Hello,
Rick, pssst, an "Ultra-conservative" does not appeal to Dems, hence the reason they are Democrats. Me thinks you must have spilled some Koolaid as you read the Karl Rove subpoena.
Jim @ 58:
Mainly because McCain does have some draw from the independent block of votes that Obama utilized in the primary. If McCain edges Obama in that block in the national, while losing his Republican base to Barr, I don't think Obama can compensate with solely traditional Democrats.....hope I'm wrong.
99Luf Balloons @ 60:
Psssst....no Koolaid for me, thank you very much. I enjoy a glass of iced tea. Cheers! :)
Give much, give often.
Bob Barr for President.
It is called Operation "Control"
We will Control these Repukes so that they split themselves into teeny tiny particles, like gluons. As long as they don't Glue on to anything worthwhile.
You know Rush's Unlawful Operation "Chaos" like "Get Smart"
[No affiliation with the upcoming movie]
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/
THis makes no sense.
SO Mcflippity loses rightwing votes (which were not destined or possibly considered for Obama) ANd that effects Obama how? It is stupid on its face.
99Luf Balloons @ 59:
Agreed. The polls are flawed and it allows for Diebold to programmed according to what has been spoon-fed to us by the MSM.
While the Dem candidate, no matter who it would be, should trounce ANY candidate this election (especially Obama, who will have nearly 100% of the black vote), but it could be that Bob Barr's candidacy as a Libertarian will give the MSM and others the "out" they need to make it closer than it should be.
99Luf Balloons @ 64:
The right-wing votes stack up on Barr's side, McCain draws independents away from Obama both from former Hillary supporters and those that were undecided, while solid Dems for Hillary supporters sit on their hands which leaves Barack less votes to draw upon.
Calling it stupid is quite the cerebral argument.
Guitar Playing Bastard @ 38:
What he said,
Only I hate Regurgitans even more.
Rick Mack @ 67:
There you go again, it is STUPID to give those votes to McFlippity. Just Stupid, and as you know by now watching Presnit Dinckledoofus, stupid is as stupid does.
Oh and BTW, "Dems for Hillary supporters sit on their hands"
Hillary shot herself in the foot and LOST the nomination with the latest gaff, so her supporters cannot blame Obama, so they WILL come out for the Dem nominee.
Be careful mixing your next batch of Koolaid.
I think Bob Barr will take more votes,from McCain.Ralph Nader should be polling worst than Bob Barr.Polls give Nader to much slack.NADER has a prune sized NUTTSACK.
99Luf Balloons @ 69:
Here.....here's your binky.....and here's your blankey. Time to lay down for your nap.
Hey Rick,
I call your arguments STUPID because you MUST be high. And we all know it is STUPID to do drugs.
Maybe you can call up the McFlippityfloppityFlippityfloppityFlippityfloppityFlippityfloppityFlippityfloppityFlippityfloppity camp and see what other courageous blog talking points they want you to spew. We will wait.
the libertine @ 71:
And you know this because ?......
Faux News was breathless (or was it because the post-coed newscaster was still in spring break mode) with the news that Gallop and Rassmusen polls showed McCain ahead. Of course a week ago when Gallop showed Hillary and Obama ahead of McCain they did not comment. Rassmusen also has polled Bush in the 40% favorables for over a year. Faux News lead the story with "Even though Obama has been in the news and McCain in the background, McCain leads in major polls". It appears that the Faux News Network has a new fax line from the McCain Presidoodle Campaign Committed.
99Luf Balloons @ 75:
Well, s/he is the libertine. Whether or not the libertine is also a raconteur...well, that's a different question, no?
"That assertion was based on leads reported in the following polls taken in May"
And Real Clear Politics which averages several major polls together have Obama up over McCain by 3. (5/11 - 5/25)
The McCain folks lie.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
And the national polls mean absolutely nothing. It's a waste of bandwidth to post them here.
All that matters is the electoral map, which shows McCain beating Obama and losing to Clinton, STILL. He simply cannot win where we need him to.
Arugula and Lattes don't play in Scranton or Bluefield.
Hey, speaking of polls, has anyone noticed that major state-by-state polling services have shown that Hillary Clinton consistantly leads John McCain by a wide margin in the all-important general election Electoral Vote metric and with 270 Electoral Votes needed to win the presidency her lead over McCain has now grown to a spectacular 327 to 194?
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May27.html
IF ABOVE LINK DOESN'T WORK, go to: electoral-vote.com, click on "Clinton vs McCain".
Meanwhile, Barack Obama doesn't reach the required 270 Electoral Votes on that same metric and is usually trounced by John McCain, who then goes on to win the presidency (click on "Obama vs McCain" in the above link, see previous ratings).
Just thought someone ought to mention it.
Well, I see that Saloum noticed it.
You're absolutely correct.
The Gallup poll is not trustworthy. As polls go this one is consistently the outlier and almost always in the GOP direction. I believe these polls or at least some of them are part of the right wing propaganda and disinformation machine.
(BITTER) people like you Saloum,don't play.
There are elite people,who like beer.
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