Clinton Wins Puerto Rico Primary
By Nicole Belle Saturday May 31, 2008 9:55pm
Hillary Clinton's speech transcript
Hillary Clinton won the Democratic nominating contest in Puerto Rico on Sunday, but still badly trails front-runner Barack Obama as he draws closer to clinching the party's presidential nomination.
Clinton's win in Puerto Rico, a territory where residents are not allowed to vote in the November election, gave her more fuel for her argument that she has won more popular votes and is the best Democrat to face Republican John McCain.
But the results pushed Obama closer to the magic number of 2,118 delegates needed to become the nominee, and the Illinois senator already has turned his attention to a general election fight with McCain.
Two contests on Tuesday in Montana and South Dakota, with 31 pledged delegates to the August nominating convention at stake, conclude the voting in the Democratic presidential race.
According to CNN, the delegate count is 38 for Clinton; 17 for Obama.
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Who is this Clinton lady and why does she think she can be president?
whoop dee doo, just delaying the inevitable. obama's ahead by over a hundred delegates. she can't beat him.
Puerto Rico is kind of like a children's primary. The opinions aren't really taken seriously, and the hope is that when they grow up (into a real state or a country), they'll have some "experience."
Just so I can get this straight, after the ruling on MI and FL, is there still a mathematical chance for her to win?
DavidtheDuke @ 4:
yes but no
Gary @ 1:
Because she's been married to one>
so Obama needs
6851 delegates.DavidtheDuke @ 4:
Her chances are the same as ever- NONE.
She should run for president of Puerto Rico.
fiver @ 6:
and that's how they planned it. she tried to be co-president and sponsor a healthcare plan and was toasted for it.
Womentum
from: http://observer.com/2008/popular-vote-math-made-easy
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory @ 7:
46 now.
Why do I anticipate crying ahead?
Obama is still 49 "regular" delegates short, so assuming he wins both Montana
and S. Dakota on Tuesday(with a total of 28 delegates), he would be short by
21 delegates even if he won both States by 100 percent to zero...nada gona
happen that way however. So, as I see it, he will win both States and probably
gain about 18 delegates out of the 28; still leaving him of the "regular" delegates
needed. Now will come into play the Uncommited "Super Delegates" and, so
America, the Dem nominee will not be decided by us(the voters), but by partisian
Super Delegates.
She just doesn't get it. She could cleanse the nation and herself with one simple statement.
I was wrong, I'm sorry. I didn't know that Iraq's military spending and buildup was 1/1000th of ours.
this whole process is ridiculous. someone explain to me why the primaries and general election shouldn't be decided by popular vote?
Doggiebobo @ 12:
that is SO complicated!
I'll just accept that Obama needs 51 or 48 or 46 or 48-28=21? or whatever the heck!
James Kain @ 14:
power brokers
Obama could also cleanse the Nation and himself with one simple statement.
Yes I was knowingly involved with the illegal activities now known as operation board games, I throw myself on the mercy of the court and swear I will fully co-operate with federal investigators to aid in prosecuting the remainder of my corrupt friends in the Chicago area.
12 Doggiebobo Says: Obama is still 49 “regular” delegates short, so assuming he wins both Montana
and S. Dakota on Tuesday(with a total of 28 delegates), he would be short by
21 delegates even if he won both States by 100 percent to zero…nada gona
happen that way however. So, as I see it, he will win both States and probably
gain about 18 delegates out of the 28; still leaving him of the “regular” delegates
needed. Now will come into play the Uncommited “Super Delegates” and, so
America, the Dem nominee will not be decided by us(the voters), but by partisian
Super Delegates.
And from what I heard today, there are about 200 uncommitted super-delegates. My guess is Obama will probably win the fray, but if we complain about rubber-stamping congresses, we should also be annoyed by rubber-stamping nominations.
If it does come to a convention I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. That will draw FREE media attention to the arguments against boosh as well as mcpoopypants. It will also add to the historicity of this election between the first viable black candidate, female candidate, and the oldest candidate (in the other party.)
Looks like she had a good time in PR.
Thoses folks respect and are loyal to the Clintons.
Here, there are hated.
Sad.
Looking at the election process from Australia, the view is bonkers (weird in Oz speak). I would imagine that a lot of people would have a hard time calling the US of A a democracy.
16 CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory
Actually, technically no.
Parties used to nominate regular party types like a Rutherford B Hayes or William Harrison with little or no input from the average citizen.
These were deals cut in backrooms.
But until FDR's Fireside Speeches, the president wasn't as well known to the public as local politicians. He was just a picture in the post office along with the 10 Most Wanted.
If we didn't have super-delegates to decide this imbroglio how else would we determine the outcome of such a contest?
James Kain @ 14:
...if you do the math on an antique abacus held at a 45 degree angle on the night of a full moon standing directly behind a moss draped poplar tree at midnight - then Hillary wins the popular vote!
So of course that is what we should do. We should not, but any stretch of the imagination play this out by the established and agreed upon rules. That would obviously be wrong. If you can't see why that would be wrong you are a misogynist, chauvinistic sexist
5/31/08
So, the new magic number for the nomination, according to Chuck Todd, is 2118 for Obama. Our presumptive nominee will reach that benchmark in the next three or four days. Here are the projections via Jed:
Chuck Todd's quick math is that Obama is now 65 delegates away. Less the 43 Todd predicts for the next three primaries, Barack would need just 22 delegates to hit the magic number. If he gets those before Tuesday, Montana will put him over the top. I'd bet heavily in favor of him getting all the superdelegates he needs to seal the deal on Tuesday evening.
Why does this all have to be so complicated? Isn't there a simpler way?
POdVet @ 17:
Interesting, http://www.countercurrents.org/pringle070408.htm
I wouldn't put it in the same tier as authorizing invasion or war crimes, but interesting.
ysbaddadan@18: Exactly my point. Super delegates are, in my humble opinion,
unconstitutional. ALL votes should count equally. No one vote should count more than another in our country. These tactics seem to be a ploy to take away from
the will of the majority. But, that's the current system, and now we will just have
to wait and see.
Clinton is only ahead in popular vote if you count Michigan's votes for Clinton and award exactly ZERO Michigan votes to Obama. She is only ahead in the popular vote if you discount the caucuss states. She is only ahead in the popular vote if you accept assumption upon assumption and piles of her distorted, scheming logic. She wasn't talking popular vote in January, was she? There has not been some grand movement since the 2000 election to move to a popular vote system, has there? Obama has won the popular vote (which is nice) but he's also won the Delegates (which is what counts).
Hillary is not ahead in popular vote and will not be the nominee - period - end of discussion.
James Kain @ 14:
Because some states have caucuses, and even the laws governing irrational numbers can't explain Hillarithmetic.
POdVet @ 17:
Keep on focusing on the spec in Obama's eye while ignoring the industrial grade 2-ton stainless steel H-beam in your queen's eye.
Clinton is determined to destroy the Democratic Party's chances of winning this election. I can't decide whether it's because she wants to maintain the relevance of the DLC over the rest of the party, or because she's actually just a Republican. Subtle difference, but there you go.
The uncommitted super delegates should be told there is a deadline when they must declare their support to a candidate. This is getting wierder and wierder. Especially if there are 200 super delegates who have not said which candidate they support. Where are Pelosi, Reid, Dean, Gore and 196 others???
The exit polls are particularly interesting... (url)
especially: voters by age (look at the senior citizens) and by education
no, i agree with you. this is the most corny system to begin with, but then when people don't get their way, they start bitching and moaning about people's rights.... I never heard anything about "Those poor Floridians!" once until the numbers started getting tight.
Surprised she isn't pushing for an "ultradelegate" Here's the new rule- the most recent Democratic president is now a delegate with the voting power of 500 regular delegates. But the good news, now the Democratic party is making me a genuine "nanodelegate" with the voting powers of one billionth of a normal delegate. Long live the royal family!
memyself @ 22:
Maybe there will be enough superdelegates declare on Monday and Tuesday, and then hopefully Obama will get put over by either a SD or Montana win. Then he can declare the nomination won by the voters. I just want it to stop.
Democrats making fun of the votes of the American citizens in Puerto Rico is really going to help
Barack Obama...."The Great Uniter"
Obama people. They have like this teflon armor-skin that deflects constructive criticism.
POdVet @ 17:
CNN decide not to wait.
Wait a minute! What's that popping sound I hear?
Maybe it's this guy's head exploding. Far as I have experience this guy is a model Obama supporter....
Now we are gonna see just how tough Barkey is.
duck @ 31:
But the Magic Man will bring out all those 'new voters' and swamp the Rethugs! What a diseased fantasy; as Jeralyn at TalkLeft showed the other day Obama only wins when, like the good Republican he is, the vote is suppressed.
A.Citizen @ 35:
The theory is that if Reagan and GWBush can be President without a glimmer of intelligence, then surely the "intelligent" Obama can do the job as well.
Today (after the entire debacle in the RBC Saturday), I actually had to walk out of the room so I wouldn't have to hear Hillary Clinton speaking. I am so sick of her feeling "entitled" to the Presidency. I am also so sick of people trying to defend the virtues of this woman (i.e. Ickes, McCaulliffe) as if she is blameless for what has gone on during the entire Primary process. And that means ignoring what she said and did during her campaigning.
Hell, I've tried. But, it can't be overlooked. And it was even worse today when McCauliffe was interviewed on MSNBC and said that Hillary was a power broker with voting blocks of "the Blue Collar Workers, Latinos, (white)women, etc."
Being a person of color, it fascinates me that he left out black people. It was as if he was saying that Black folks don't count in Hillary's march to the convention. And that, qualified it to me that she means to throw us under the bus pretty much in the same fashion as Lani Guinier and Joceyln Elders.
I wonder how Stephanie Tubbs Jones can look at herself in the mirror for supporting this woman (and I like Rep. Tubb Jones, too). How can she ignore the contempt dripping from the lips of Mrs. Clinton and her handlers?
I know I can't ignore it, especially after Sen. Clinton's condescending remarks and behavior concerning Sen. Obama.
Today's win might has well just be there to only continue this "dog and pony" show because of Hillary Clinton's refusal to take a forthright stand in this entire mess. I'm beginning to think that she doesn't have a conscience.
L.A. Confidential @ 37:
That's a ridiculous comparison if I've ever saw one- for reasons I shouldn't even have to point out.
Again, I'm seeing people who didn't have their nominee win hiss and moan as we sputter towards McSame 2008. Obama wasn't my first, second, or even third choice, but I see the writing on the wall and I'm going to support the man and help my country.
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 38:
Poor Baby
L.A. Confidential @ 37:
Uh-huh...problem with that idea is that Barkey keeps telling stories about his non-existent 'Unca Vanya'. And the worst thing about that incident in Las Cruces was there was no apparent point to the story. Does the Magic Man really think the Jewish folk is FL will vote for him? On a purely pragmatic basis that's bordering on delusional. Short Form: I have called Barkey 'Senator Dopey' and no....
I'm not kidding.
L.A. Confidential @ 34:
There's something valuable in a presidential primary vote of people ineligible to vote in a presidential election?
Oh, and I didn't see Reagan or Bush as editor of the their law review. Obama is not lacking in the brains department.
James Kain @ 39:
Clinton left office with an approval rating at 65%, the highest end of office rating of any President since World War II.
Barrys not going to win if he keeps on insisting on throwing this block of votes under the bus like their disposable trash.
He better start doing some serious Uniting. REAL SERIOUS.
i found this AP video earlier today... incredible...
Clinton Backers Rally, Say Party Is Split
http://video.ap.org/v/default.aspx?mk=en-ap&g=db2fd514-34de-4b38-9092-d9...
if the last clintonista is typical, i want nothin' to do with it... "no unification, howard dean!"...
whew...
...
btw, i found it after reading this statement from Fr. Pfleger
http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/982023,pflegerstatement06010...
fiver @ 42:
We'll find out.
whoopie doo, someone tell me why Puerto Rico and other islands that don't want to be states (always vote against it when it comes up) even has a say in our primary process? If they want to take part, become states and anti up like the rest of us do.
L.A. Confidential @ 45:
Man, I hate the typos when I'm trying to emphasize intelligence. Doh!
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 38:
I'd like to respectfully ask you to STFU! 'Dog and Pony Show' is not how real Democrats talk about the citizens voting. What, no black people in Puerto Rico? Or are they just the wrong shade of black. No Hispanics or do you hate them too? Asians live in PR...well fuck 'em, eh?
It's stupid, fascistic comments like that that will kill Senator SnakeOil's campaign in the fall.
And a good thing to as he is no more fit to be President than Bush was.
katy @ 44:
Obama's biggest mistake is playing identity politics when we have real serious problems to face and fix in this country.
L.A. Confidential @ 40:
Whatever you say. I'm not going to give you the attention you so desperately crave. Go find another taker.
In every primary this lady, (if you can call her one), entered she played people against each other. Texas she played the Latinos aganist the Blacks, Kentucky and West Virginia she played the white Blue collar against the rest of the country, Puerto Rico, she played those who wanted State hood aganist those who didn't, Pennesylvania she played White women aganist others. We don't wish to continue with her kind of politics.
fiver @ 47:
Heh....well, I look at it this way. Bush was the first MBA President, got his from Harvard don't yew know. And I've not doubt that Barkey was Pres of the Law Review but I read Barkey's book, which I've recently seen reported that he wrote. And my opinion?
We are in deeper shit than we thought when these two supposed citadels of the Western Intellectual Tradition can turn such a couple of dopes. Barkey's book covering the Reagan years? Totally wrong on the facts. Showed no understanding of the times.
The work of a C- student.
If that.
Guess all of the Clinton loons are on here tonight. Your candidate has split this party and is destroying it because she is such a poor looser. If she wins the delegates, tell me how, bribe them? She has the money to buy the nomination. Just remember, she does not have the money to buy the vote. Nobody wants another loose cannon in the white house. This so called campaign of hers has been full of lies, full of slander and full of negative campaigning. She is not a lady and I would not trust anyone with such a vile disposition to run this country. She would never get my vote, and I hope not the vote of any thinking individual who wants sanity returned to the white house.
L.A. Confidential @ 49:
what does that have to do with the U G L I N E S S portrayed in that video...
and i'm not talking about the looks of those women...
that is embarrassing...
L.A. Confidential @ 49:
Would you say this is Obama's work?
I would. Read the comments. The guy is proud of himself. He's all about 'Yes We Can!'
EJG @ 53:
Hillary Clinton is in this race because her supporters want her to be in it. Obama supporters are upset because they are potentially facing the embarrassing scenario in which their nominee doesn't have the popular vote win.
A.Citizen @ 55:
He's pissed off a lot of Americans with his Chicago Style Politics. (It's all business)
A.Citizen @ 48:
No L.A. Obama supporters are upset because Hillary changes the rules as she goes, just like she changes accents when it suits her. How can she so vehemently (after the fact of course; everyone remembers she agreed initially) defend the counting of Florida and Michigan, when she turns right around and throws out the caucus states with her "popular vote" philosophy?
I meant, "threatened, in my last question. Sorry. :(
L.A. Confidential @ 56:
Do you intentionally post up false scenarios because you really believe them or to have someone dispute you and receive the attention you crave?
LA at 57
Bush is in the White House because his supporters wanted him there, and you are angry because he is there.
A.Citizen @ 55:
Anyone who would cite Youtube comments for anything is a complete and total idiot.
go hillary, clense obamers ahole
L.A. Confidential @ 56:
L.A. Confidential @ 56:
I find it amusing that Clinton supporters are crying about unfair it is that the election is being "decided" by superdelegates when Clinton's very own powerbroker, Harold Ickes, was the one who put the superdelegate system in place!
I guess it's only unfair if Clinton loses.
jjasonham @ 61:
Nope Obama's made some serious and probably fatal mistakes. Go ahead and bask in whatever victory you get though. And remember the old standby next Nov. "It's Clintons Fault".
I just have a question about all of Clinton's supporters. If she has so many supporters why is her campaign in the tank financially? Why did she have to lend her campaign millions? If she had so many supporters she should be doing great......like Obama who REALLY does have a lot of supporters. The Clinton supporters just make a lot of noise and whine a lot so it seems like there are a lot of them.
lurkitty @ 66:
The fact is Obama is going to be facing big harsh blowback.
He could have ended it before it started but it's to late now.
Hillary's in the 'race' because she wants the $11.4 million she loaned her campaign back, and under McCain-Feingold she can only legally raise donations to pay debt if she's actively campaigning.
Here's a little prediction: Come Wednesday, when all the primaries are over, not a vote left to be cast, no campaigning to be DONE any more, and she's still saying GO TO HILLARYCLINTON.COM AND DONATE, ask yourself: "Why does she still need my money? She doesn't need to buy any more TV ads, or travel anywhere, or maintain campaign staff around the country. What am I donating to?"
It might just be that she actually gave up on winning after PA didn't close the gap enough, and now she's just scamming all the donations she can before the Convention. She doesn't want to eat an $11 million loss -- who would? Just remember. Wednesday. Why will she STILL be asking for your money?
EJG @ 68:
You guys started the pushing and shoving with the MLK/LBJ thing.
You should have known better.
Hillary and her supporters need to get on the Obama train...she lost fair and square, like my candidate Edwards. The Supreme Court alone should be motivation.
L.A. Confidential @ 67:
You speak in hyperbole, which is never helpful in any discussion. The reason I don't agree with you is because there are nothing to back up your assertions. He's run a very efficient campaign and the majority of polls out there has Obama and Clinton doing better than McCain, despite the negative press that has occured. Many of them has Obama gaining more ground in the past month which negates the "fatal mistakes" argument.
Hillary Clinton is going to lose because she ran a stupid campaign. She did not plan past Feb. 05. I am not so overly excited about Obama, but he has ran an extremely smart campaign and planned it out beautifully. After living through 8 years of stupid, I want the smartest person in the room. It looks like him.
blowback, shmlowback... at least it will be NEW crap, obama crap, more interesting crap...
i'm so sick of all the clinton crap... even sicker after having been played a fool for defending the clintons all these years - to have them turn around and embrace that right-wing conspiracy gang...
...
70 Sid Says:
Hillary’s in the ‘race’ because she wants the $11.4 million she loaned her campaign back
i received maybe 2 mailings, and only from bill, in the past year...
in the past 2 weeks i've gotten 2, from hillary herself... begging for money... "urgent!"...
"reply in 5 days!"
ha! get it from your righty friends, hill...
L.A. Confidential @ 71:
Most of you who are doing all the yelling and screaming are probably Republicans who don't really care if it is her or McSame. They would both go into Iran, they both didn't do their homework and voted for the Iraq war, they both are owned by big business. They both run Rovian type campaigns. To you guys it would be fine for either of them to win. Any real Democrat would be turned off by those things, especially the filthy campaign. She hasn't behaved like a lady, yet Obama has remained a perfect gentlemen. She let her emotions lead her and she is angry that she is not ahead. Do we want another preznut who goes by her gut? What if she is in one of her bitchy moods and has to make a decision that puts the lives of every American in jeopardy. Mine, yours and your children's? Would you be proud of yourself for backing her then when she makes a bad decision because she is in one of her moods? She is not a true Democrat, she is more Republican then Democrat. She has provided the proof of that herself.
Just wait it will be
McCain/Clinton '08
She will finally come out of the GOP/DLC closet.
Clinton is the last vestige of the DLC corporate control of the Dems. The DLC needs to excised, and shipped off to the sun to never contaminate the political process again.
Who likes Hillary other than crazy white women and whiskey drinkers in the South?
What a legacy she'll leave before she is kicked out of the party.
She can go back to a republiCON for all I care.
EJG @ 76:
Just because people have their lives and shit together doesn't make them a default Republican.
Bill Clinton was a centrist who presided over the longest period of peace-time economic expansion in American history, which included a balanced budget and a $559 billion surplus.
You can't please everybody.
Hillary Clinton - Bill O'Reilly Factor - Pt. 1 - 4/30/08
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wJbyWBkf-t4
Hillary Clinton - Bill O'Reilly Factor - Pt. 2 - 4/30/08
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uQnQjV4sovE&feature=related
This is where she says "rich people, god bless us"
She shows her true colors here!
Actually, I would be willing to pay the price of possibly loosing to a laughable McLooney/Clinton, and seeing how many of these rabid nut Clintonistas actually vote for them, to be rid of the DLC.
L.A. Confidential @ 69:
If Clinton were the candidate, she would face big, harsh blowback as well. SHe could have ended this a long time ago.
lemmings , unbelievable, cant wait to get another do nothing politician in the whitehouse, better check his stance on leaveing iraq , prosicuteing the bush bums, not gonna happen in your life time,
L.A. Confidential @ 79:
What kind of reasoning is that? Bill is not the one running. I wouldn't say she has her life and shit together, the way she ran her campaign shows that. How can she budget the US budget if she can't even handle the budget of her own campaign? If you would open your eyes for two seconds you might see something. They are politically successful because there have been dozens of people who were going to testify against them who ended up dead or just disappear to never be seen again. That is really together, isn't it? Don't believe me? Follow the link
http://members.tripod.com/~rcjustice/pres.html
tyree Says: lemmings , unbelievable, cant wait to get another do nothing politician in the whitehouse, better check his stance on leaveing iraq , prosicuteing the bush bums, not gonna happen in your life time,
I guess you figure he'll be busy eatin watermelon and collard greens, huh?
FunMe @ 78:
you must've seen that video i posted: Clinton Backers Rally, Say Party Is Split
http://video.ap.org/v/default.aspx?mk=en-ap&g=db2fd514-34de-4b38-9092-d9...
So it's all down to the superdelegates. Big surprise.
EWA @ 13:
Or he could cleanse the nation and say that he was wrong for letting the Clintons be branded as racists, or that his campaign and surrogates disrespected and demeaned a former First Lady and two time sitting senator, or that he does not agree that people who did not vote for him in certain sections of the country are uneducated hicks, he could say all that if he were a leader but guess not. Too busy picking out the drapes in the White House to spend much time on the "unity" thing.
ysbaddaden @ 21:
power broker is more general and accurate term. before the dems decided on superdelegates in the late 60s, there were smokey backrooms and power players who were not the senators, governors, etc.
L.A. Confidential(R) @ 34:
you should stop.
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 58:
Lynda from DownUnder @ 20:
Look! Don't try to wake us up here, OK? We're still fighting the Civil War.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory @ 89:
Nope....
No reason a citizen should ever not exercise their right of free speech.
Least of all 'cause some clown in the theads sez to.
Hie thee to thy bridge in RedState Sir Troll!
obama will never win in november; it's hillary or mccain; the democratic party is so over if they nominate bo. the DNC inititated dem. party suicide yesterday and will finish themselves off if obama is the nominee.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory @ 89:
I'm not saying this to be mean. I'm trying to show you mistakes that need to be corrected.
How do you expect to win an election when people can't tell the difference between a Freeper and a Obama supporter?
Question; are you still going to take money from lobbyist?
Hillary’s Answer; “Yes, lobbyist represent people too”
Screw her!
A.Citizen @ 90:
such hate! you voted for who in the last election?
A.Citizen @ 92:
I meant stop bullshitting.
L.A. Confidential(R) @ 94:
to be clear. up until SC I was neutral on clinton and obama.
Obamahas made fewer mistakes since then than HRC.
Obama has been inclusive and he has grown tremendously.
Hillary has called on people to vote their whiteness and wondered aloud on several occasions whether Obama would be assassinated.
Obama has distanced himself from anyone who demeans HRC.
HRC has not disowned G.Ferraro.
nobama ever!
EWA @ 24:
Yeah, that's some great investigative journalism... No, wait... actually it was third rate guilt by association and stupid mud slinging, but good try. Obama had nothing to do with this, and if this is the best you got, good luck.
Stupid republican shills. We saw this one before. You've got nothing. Maybe you should go back to calling Obama a closet Muslim.
I purposely waited while being totally entertained by you Hillary/McWar supporters crying all night because the ball didn't bounce your way. My old track coach once told me that "an excuse is the easiest thing in the world to make." You bitter sore losers sure prove that statement. I'm off to bed now because I do have a job. Feel free to cry that river and beat the dead horse the remaning hours of this night because tomorrow Obama(who won playing by the rules) will still be the Democratic nominee. Go Obama. No anarchy. LOL.
it IS incredible... the delusion and projection exemplified by the clintonistas...
it's almost as if they are actually parodies, or plants, or troolls, or repugs, or such...
true progressives are just NOT that stoopid... or stupid.
Man, are Clinton supporters stupid or what? Seriously; think about it carefully. Take your time; don't rush. You know what? Fuck it!! If we wait for this collection of dolts to figure it out, it'll be 2342 AD. We'll have to explain it to them. It's a bit complicated so listen carefully: SHE LOST! FUCKTARDS, SHE LOST!
This is the convoluted reasoning of your average Clinton voter, as expressed by Hilary (no need to make any distinction between the two; it's a hive mentality):
1) lets count all the delegates in FL and MI because, well, I need them now. I didn't think I would need them when I agreed to the rules of the DNC way back when, but then I thought it would be a coronation and not a real fight. So being a Clinton - i.e. moral pond scum - I'm going to say that they should all be seated because I'm a real suck face. Oh! I lost the baseball game so let's have 10 innings now so I can have chance to win! Maggots....
2) the super delegates should go against the will of real delegates and create an unprecedented rift that would surely destroy any party unity - just for little old me.
The object lesson here, kiddies, is to grow the fuck up. Obama is the smarter and more disciplined campaigner. He also played by the RULES - got that? - and won. If you want to stay home in November and hand the election to that doting fool, so be it. Let's see how universal health care, gay marriage and abortion rights fair if Obama doesn't get in......
Clinton has proved herself to be a hater with the dark code to her racist supporters. Anyone supporting her at this point is a hater too. Too bad the real bad guys the Rethugs are waiting to strike after the right wing corporate plot to divide and conquer the Democrats sadly has worked like a charm up to this point. Unity is the only answer. Purge your hate and join the winner and next president, Barack Obama.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory @ 98:
Hahhhahhhhaaaaaaaaaahhhha what a maroon! See Bugs Bunny if you don't get it pal.
sounds good to me !#84 is that your favorite? not sure obamers hard up enough to eat plain fare like that , glad you didnt mention chicken, youd sound like a raceist!
Enough of calling each other repiglicans...
90% of you are still sleeping anyway... the other 10% just woke up..if that..
Wesley @ 105:
Nah.....
Here be a hater.
And...oh, shit! He's one of yours.
Nice that is.
Good night and just think how much help your new convert is going to be. Burning out the 'Clinton Bitches'.....I bet he's got a bunch of friends. Don't send 'em by my place tho Homer.
They apt to get hurt.
Sweet Dreams.
Without superdelegates:
Obama - 1739 delegates
Clinton - 1624 delegates
NEITHER candidate has enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. Therefore, it must go to superdelegates. The superdelegates are free to change their mind or weigh in any time up until the convention.
Of the states that voted in March, April, May, and June:
Hillary won 8 states with 1,125,125 total votes(659,512 more than Obama):
1. Ohio (by 228,781 votes) ;
2. Rhode Island (by 33,635 votes);
3. Texas (by 95,731 votes, reduced by 5,298 caucus votes won by Obama);
4. Pennsylvania (by 214,224 votes);
5. West Virginia (by 147,551 votes);
6. Indiana (by 14,195 votes);
7. Kentucky (by 249,346 votes); and
8. Puerto Rico (by 141,662 votes).
Obama won 6 states with 465,613 total votes:
1. North Carolina (by 222,859 votes);
2. Oregon (by 108,458 votes);
3. Mississippi (by 100,123 votes);
4. Wyoming; (by 2,066 caucus votes);
5. Guam (by 7 caucus votes) and
6. Vermont (by 32,100 votes).
Do Super Delegates wear capes? I'm all over fractions now since it's all over. I'm only going to give Barack Obama one eighth of my vote, and two eighths go to Nader. I can't remember--is Perot still alive? I want to give him a piece of the pie too. I'm going to have Mr. Wexler lobby the agreement for me-he's so concerned about votes counting. I'm going to throw a few "sympathy" eighths of my vote in the trash bin with the 50% of FL and MI votes, the dangling chads and all the lost voter fraud votes the Repuglicans threw in the bin. Votes aren't that important, really. Gotta find me a good lawyer to make sure my vote gets dissected to mean as little as possible. Then I'm going to stop donating to the Democratic Party. They're idiots.
Pickles,
Please read DNC handbook BEFORE you come out of the brine. They knew and went along with the change of date, and lost, 50% of a vote is frigging godsend, count your blessings you got that. I wouldn't have given you idjits anything. ANd can someone tell me WHY IS IT ALWAYS FUCKING FLORIDA? They are a bunch of tards down there.
Hey LA Confidential
You must have gotten your numbers from a CONFIDENTIAL source because they be bad.
Try http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_c...
Obama Clinton
17,389,116 17,364,592
Fuck all of the HRC and Obama People, I'm writing in Gore.
I want no part of any of you people. With all your insults and bashing each other.
I'm gonna write in Gore. Then if and when which ever one gets in office. And she or he doesn't change a damn thing, don't look to
me for any sympathy. And I look forward to seeing all the comments about" How could this happen"?
fricken dolts.
I'm writing in John F Kennedy he is just as able to take the office as Gore is.
Hey Pickles, you need to go here.
http://fantasy08.realclearpolitics.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?selC...
# 95 I agree .Finally the end of the line for the corporate , Wall street , lobbyist loving Republicrat Clinton , thank God ! Unlike HRC , Obama ran a very well organized , dignified and clean campaign , he played by the rules that all including Clinton agreed to and he won fair and square , he deserves the nomination . Time now to kick some Republican / MCsame ass ! " Myshiba " , seek out a mental health professional , you are in need .
you're not making any sense, but hey, whatever rocks your boat.
And we MUST remember:
We have the STUPID Primaries BECAUSE....We changed the way the Constitution told us to vote for President back in 1800, and that gave rise to the two party system we presently "enjoy." And this then gives us the wonderful ELECTORAL COLLEGE that we all hold so near and dear.
So, just remember, this is all a prelude to the twisting and turning of ANY CLOSE race in your Future DIEBOLD world. I will not even bring up if there is the hint of DIEBOLDING in the primaries. OY!
John K Says: # 95 I agree .Finally the end of the line for the corporate , Wall street , lobbyist loving Republicrat Clinton , thank God ! Unlike HRC , Obama ran a very well organized , dignified and clean campaign , he played by the rules that all including Clinton agreed to and he won fair and square , he deserves the nomination . Time now to kick some Republican / MCsame ass ! ” Myshiba ” , seek out a mental health professional , you are in need .
See you are being rational and that is the LAST thing the Clintonistas wish to be is rational. It is as if it is a mass hysteria of PMS woman out there all clamoring for the same irrationality. I still get whiffs of the NEO-CON scumbags who stormed the Florida offices during the recount posing as Democrats wanting their votes counted. To some degree I think Clinton has been running on Operation Chaos fumes for the last 3 weeks.
Why does FLorida have a problem counting?
1,2,3 it is very easy, really.
getalife @ 19:
Loyal? Yes. Respect? Har har.
The Puerto Ricans are grateful to Bill for pardoning a bunch of their
terrorist countrymen, but that's all there is to that. Other than it also
helped Hillary get her seat in the Senate.
And, speaking of pardons, don't forget the even slimier Marc Rich:
http://counterpunch.com/stclair05292008.html
A.Citizen @ 90:
I should be asking the same question of you. After all, you're the one who went nuts and asked me to STFU.
How is that being respectful, considerate or mentally competent?
Erm....Who's the Magic Man? You're not going delusional on me, are you?
Well hell. You ought to know. You're supporting a "disenfranchisement" specialist right now.
See folks. This is what a rabid Hillary supporter sounds like: entitled, arrogant and very caustic from the dominant culture. *Sigh*
You said your partner, dear. Not your boss. That says a quite of a lot.
Can you read?
Oh, dear. Maybe you should stand up and regain your balance. I think the protestations to the floor while worshipping Queen Clinton are hurting your back.
Did Hillary tell you that personally? If she did, that would explain a lot of questions I have about her true attitudes about Black people.
I'm still trying to figure out how Obama is going to win the general election after the Obamist have done nothing but insult Senator Clinton's supporters during the primaries. Do they really think they can win the Presidency with so many people abandoning him because of their actions?
99luf balloons - are you giving all the uncommitted votes from Michigan to Obama? WOW you must know a lot more than those idiots who voted in the Michigan primary for Edwards and Richardson.
Secondly - please read LA confidentials post - it says "in the states that voted in March, April and May"
the post was trying to draw the conclusion that Obama is yesterdays news. He lost his luster in March and has not gotten it back. You all better hope that Idaho, Georgia and Kansas come through for him in November. Oh and good luck with that!
"Yes, my child. I loved Hillary so much/ hated Obama so much that I threw away your access to a safe abortion procedure."
NO WIRE HANGERS!
Lynda from DownUnder @ 22:
Well, it *isn't* a democracy, technically. Even so, despite the fact that we here in the states like to think of it as one, many of us have a hard time calling it a democracy.
That make any sense? No, me either.
SFnomad @ 125:
Works both ways.
Everybody needs to take a step back and a deep breath. Clinton supporters, what do you want? What can we "Obamists" do for you? I've personally asked this question three times on C & L and I'd like to know how I can help. I've said I'll support Senator Clinton if she's nominated, even though I don't prefer her. I've tried to be civil--maybe I haven't always succeeded, but I've tried.
Obama supporters, cool your jets. We "lefties" (or "we voters likely to vote Democratic," anyway) are going to need each other in November. Let's start mending the fences now. Personally, I was pleased to hear Obama call Clinton tonight to congratulate her on her win. He'll probably need to do it at least once on Tuesday again. If *HE* can do it, so can we.
My good friends have kids in Iraq. I'd like it very much if they came home alive.
In 2004 I was an Edwards supporter, when Kerry won the nomination I wasn't thrilled but I still got everyone in my family and all my friends out to vote for him. This year I wanted Edwards again, when he dropped out I didn't carry on like a little child, I waited until it was clear that Obama had the nomination wrapped up and now I support him.
It has been clear for over a month that Hillary would have needed to win by 80-20 margins to take the lead in pledged delegates, and since that was practically impossible there was no way for her to win unless the supers overturned the will of the people.
Now here we are after watching Hillary appeal to the racists of the rust belt, Change her mind on counting MI & FL, and drag Obama through the mud, and for what? What has she accomplished other than destroying her own future political career, and hurting Obama for the general election?
Clinton supporters, it's over, it's been over for a while. She lost. Obama has more pledged delegates, superdelegates, popular votes, states won, campaign cash, and campaign donors. After Tuesday he will only need a little more than 20 superdelegates to seal the nomination, while Clinton would need to convince 190 out of 200 supers to vote for her (never going to happen).
Now is the time for you to grow up and support the Democratic nominee. To say at this point that you will vote McCain or stay home on election day after spending so much energy supporting Clinton shows the rest of us that you don't really care about the Democratic party, or the good of the country. Then why are you wasting your time here on a progressive blog, since you sound like you don't care that neocon McCain could win the Presidency?
God damn. This place has degenerated into all the subtle nuance of a PS3/XBox360 flame war on GameFAQs. Who knew zit-faced 14-year-olds could vote?
Bushflipflops - your comments are the reason i will not support Obama. Here is why and it makes sense to me, if it does not make sense to you then I do not want to explain it - you have a right to your opinion.
Obama can not win with out supers
Neither can Hillary.
Hillary has won the popular vote (you can not give the Michigan uncommitted all to Obama, that is stealing votes and will be overturned by the credentials committe) It is sad that they even have to go to the credentials but the vote on saturday violated the democratic charter (that is fact not me making shit up)
Obama has won more delegates.
lets take a look at his delegates.
1. He won a great many in states that have never voted blue (good for him but bad for the dems)
2. He won more delegates in Texas where SHE actually received more votes. (good for him but bad for big D democracy)
3. He won more delegates in Idaho on 18,000 votes than HRC won in New Jersey with over 600,000 votes and a lead of 112,000 votes (good for him but bad for one person one vote)
4. He won more in Caucuses and from first hand experience his supporters bullied, intimidated and flat out called white people racist in meetings for casting their vote for HRC. (good for him but bad for unity and class)
If you wanted the party to be really be unified you would want MI and FL counted because when history looks back and says * Obama won on a technicality it will look terrible.
I play sports and would never accept a win that was flawed nor a loss that was handicapped. LEt the best candidate win and if both states were seated in the full strength it would be a lot closer race and not so cut and dry.
You are asking HRC to give up a chance to fulfill her dreams and whether you Obama supporters get it or not - she has worked since she was 18 registering voters and being an activist. You cant just tell someone give your life dream up because "we" say so or because two states decided to break the rules and it impacted your campaign tremendously.
My last point - when Hillary chose not to compete strongly in the caucus states everyone said "bad decision on her part and it cost her"
BUT when Obama chose (not followed the rules but chose to remove his name form Michigan to avoid an early lose) he was rewarded by the DNC with all of the uncommitted delegates and 4 of Hillary's. He actually got Richardson's, Edwards, all of his and 4 of Hillary's.
It would have been refreshing to see someone say " bad decision on Obama's part and it cost him"
Instead he came out better for it.....
These are the reason McCain will get my vote. I will punish the DNC for this pathetic excuse for a solution.
I have nothing against OBAMA (I do have something against some of his insane supporters)
kevin @ 131:
Puh-LEEZ.
kevin @ 131:
Wow, dude you must be a lawyer. I rarely see this kind of obfuscation from intellectually honest people. He's about to win majority of the delegates - period. That's the only criteria that counts. Why can't you understand that rules don't exist for any one person's benefit? What kills me is that if the roles were reversed, she be doing exactly what Obama's doing. Get over it and move on....
At a practical level come the election, regardless of whom the Democratic candidate is, they're going to need the black vote to be in the order of 90% Democrat and a good sizeable majority of the Hispanic vote. Yes, it's still a minority of the total but they'll need it to push them over the top if history is any guide.
So all the remaining contenders for the Democratic nomination need to play this in such a way as to not alienate one, other or both of these groups.
kevin @ 131:
I have said this one million times, but it bears repeating: it is astounding the capacity of projection by the Hillary supporters.
If you are capable of voting for McCain after 8 years of Bush, you must have brass balls to call anyone else a "lunatic."
... so you rather vote for an evil, crabby, rich, old white dude than a black man. We get it... no need to go on and on with all those mental contortions and exercises in projection. Just join the GOP, after seeing the show the Hillary camp put forth at the hearings yesterday. I am glad to see the DLC types coming unhinged. And I can't wait for them to leave us alone and join the GOP once and for all.
Enough already, OK? Vote for McCain, join the GOP, and leave us alone. All that some of you Hillary supporters are bringing is grandstanding and veiled threats, the most republicans of MOs. So I suggest you join a party which better captures your motivations...
The Dude @ 135:
SFnomad @ 125:
Again, projecting much?
So how do you suppose the Hillary would win the election after the shit slinging and scorched earth approach that have been the past few months of the Clinton campaign?
And please, care to point out how many Obama supporters came unhinged in front of the cameras yesterday during the bylaws hearings?
If some Hillary supporters care more about a personality cult than their own party, I suggest they cut the middle man and create their own party: The Clintonats.
Funny, how I don't see either Kucinich (I am one myself), Edwards, Biden, Richardson, et al supporters saying how since their choices for nominee are not going to make it in the final ballot, that how is the dem nominee going to win without their support? I am really tired of the grandstanding and veiled threats. And I am sick of the personality cult that the Clinton camp is becoming. Enough already...
Search Google Video for:
The Video Hillary Does NOT Want You To See
Very disturbing videos, especially the 11 part one. If you don't have the time to watch them all, go halfway into part 11 and see the list of how many people who had anything to do with Clinton, mysteriously died of unnatural causes, especially all the suicides. Unbelievable! Yet, nothing about these major allegations is ever brought up in the media.
Wow this thing not over yet?
I'm kinda amazed at some Clinton-supporters who say theyre voting for McCain rather than Obama.
I'm not American so I cant vote but I would urge you to come to your freakin senses if not for your own sake so for the rest of the world. (Yes the American election unfortunately matters a great deal to everyone on the planet)
My hypothetical vote goes to Obama (originally to Kucinich but lets be real :) ). In part because Clintons divisive hypocritical and negative campaigning these last few months. If Clinton somehow managed to bend the rules and IMHO steal the nomination I would be extremely disappointed thinking all kinds of ugly censored things about her.
BUT I would definitely vote for her in november. No doubts whatsoever. Clinton would make a fine president. A president McCain would be a disaster
the ACTUAL popular vote argument:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/1/16747/37393/979/526838
hillary supporter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s
L.A. Confidential @ 81:
You keep talking about Bill Clinton. I thought Hillary Clinton was her own person. Was that only when NAFTA was the topic?
I keep noticing this very GOP-esque tendency from Clinton and her supporters. They say whatever's convenient at that particular moment, and the "facts" can flip 180 degrees whenever it's convenient.
You see I knew this was going to happen when Obama, Edwards, Biden, and Richardson removed their names from the Michigan ballots and then Clinton renegged at the last minute and left hers on. I knew she was trying to pull some cheap stunt while she kept insisting that it was no big deal, and the votes wouldn't count, so don't worry that she left her name on the ballot. Only now when she's desperate she wants to count Michigan as it stands without any consideration to the other candidates.
Now we have to hear the twisted stupid logic of Clinton supporters trying to say that Obama wouldn't have recieved any votes in Michigan, so he shouldn't get any. Well let's look at the vote shall we. Since 40% went to uncommitted, that amount should be split by the candidates that would have been on the ballot in a legitimate election. Since Biden, Edwards, and Richardson have endorsed Obama their delegates should go to him, it's very simple.
Heck, I wouldn't care if you gave Clinton full delegates and none for Obama in Michigan, because she would still be way behind in pledged delegates. But the problem I have is they are trying to say she has more popular votes, when it simply isn't true. You can't leave out caucuses, and the write in votes for him in Michigan, and you can't say that nobody from that state would have voted for him were he on the ballot.
So the only thing Clinton supporters are clinging to is the bogus popular vote argument. In other words they have no legitimate case to make that she won this nomination.
Maybe after all the tirades and tantrums.Everyone can get out of the sandbox,go inside for a time out and return as adults. Doubtful
EJG @ 55:
Right on! And I firmly believe she would keep all if not most of the debauchery The Chimp and his handlers have done to the Constitution. Her hunger for ultimate power is truly scary. Her hatred of those who disagree with her and her loving husband ( check out the latest article in Vanity Fair about Bubba) makes one look back and remember the word "obliterate" which she used so off-handed. She is a liar and so is her husband The American people do not need another liar and self serving dictator in the White House.
James Kain @ 16:
because then candidates wouldnt have to campaign in the smaller states.
but if you want the country to be run by cali, texas, illinois and ny...so be it
there are millions who do not
ralph @ 138:
hey ralph...dont know how you did it, but you ended up on the wrong blog
the one you want is iamafuckingwingnutnutcase.com
there, they have indepth discussions regarding all the people who have died since 1960
its over on tuesday
ding dong the witch is dead....
thats right...i went there
BUT IS IT TRUE!!?? Who cares if Scott is a traitor? Any traitor to Bush can't be all bad. But if what he says is true about Bush commiting federal crimes, like outing a CIA agent, etc. ad nauseum, then back off of Scott's personality and fucking NAIL BUSH!!!
The issue is how these assholes in the White House have screwed up life for the rest of us. All the banter about Scott is bullshit and a criminal waste of our press.
The press sucks! You were worthless before the war and you're worthless now!
L.A. Confidential @ 42:
Hey, she's done her best! You think it is easy to move the goal posts and change the metrics and keep a straight face? You think it's easy to say you are ahead and then complain about being unfairly treated as the reason for losing, and not have your head spin right off? (What was that about 'can't stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen'? Oh yeah, in that 5 min period where she and Bubba weren't whining and complaining...)
She cast herself as Norma Rae, but devolved into Norma Desmond (Sunset Boulevard), with about the same grasp of reality. Oddly enough, the same wide-eyed glare.
Her 30+yrs. of 'experience' had her wrong on Iraq, wrong on the voters, way behind on the fund raising, and reduced her to ever more creative metrics.
Regardless of how much she loses by, she will NOT Quit.
Like Bush, she has NO exit strategy.
And an ever slipping grip on the system she thought she knew and could run so well.
Who's going to break it to her? Ickes? McCauliff? Ferraro? A text msg from Monica?
Let the lady run. Try not to point and laugh. Apparently, that only encourages her.
It's not over until she says it's over-- in her strange little world, where everyone loves her, everyone votes for her, she wins the election, no one guesses she has lost her mind. In that world, she controls everything and everyone.
As proof that she and Time Traveling Ambassador Bubba are disconnected from present time, he declares she is 'winning in the general election and he isn't.' Which is strange, because she is not in the General Election. In fact she is way behind in the nomination process. These "jump to the future where everything is already known," excursions are more and more off the rails.
However, I hear that she leads in delegates from the State of Denial
It's up to her--there. Let her run and run. She too, will run out of gas.
I just pray she doesn't hitch a ride on the ticket. I think as wild-eyed as she has become, that ride will speed right past her. She'll be screaming in the dust cloud, but no one will be paying attention by then.
I am just glad that Obama ran the kind of campaign he did. Otherwise, the Dems would have no reference point for dignity.
You're right. "Poor Baby," she is. Or, were you referring to Bubba?
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