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Threat Level: McCain - I'd secretly spy on Americans, too.

The Public Record: When Dick Cheney was CEO of Halliburton in the 1990s, he spoke out against the sanctions against Iran - the same Iran he's now rattling the saber toward for their terrorist ties.

Attytood: An Iraqi in America wonders whose war is it, anyway?

HOLY CRAP: US apologizes for proselytizing by Marine in Iraq, but they're really not sorry...You can leave the UCC - but the UCC may not leave you...The Antichrist is gay, "partially Jewish, as was Hitler"...Conservative lawyer Douglas Kmiec denied communion because of Obama endorsement...Blacks, Jews & Obama...Bobby Jindal: Exorcist Vice-President?...More anti-Semitism from the religious right.

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KYJurisDoctor's picture

Having BILLARY Clinton as vice president would be the equivalent of having a spitting Cobra as a room mate. You CANNOT control its NATURAL HABIT of spitting and biting. Either way, you get POISON in your blood circulatory system!

L.A. Confidential's picture

KYJurisDoctor @ 1:

Having BILLARY Clinton as vice president would be the equivalent of having a spitting Cobra as a room mate. You CANNOT control its NATURAL HABIT of spitting and biting. Either way, you get POISON in your blood circulatory system!

Axlerod has made the statement himself about Obama not needing these voters.

It should be obvious by now.

L.A. Confidential's picture

C+L has a bright Future

Mass. state senator arrested after chase
Wed Jun 4, 1:49 AM ET

BOSTON - A state senator (State Senator J. James Marzilli Jr. (D)) was arrested Tuesday on charges he attempted to sexually touch a woman in a park, just weeks after prosecutors said there wasn't enough evidence to press charges when another woman claimed he assaulted her.

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L.A. Confidential @ 2:

KYJurisDoctor @ 1:

Having BILLARY Clinton as vice president would be the equivalent of having a spitting Cobra as a room mate. You CANNOT control its NATURAL HABIT of spitting and biting. Either way, you get POISON in your blood circulatory system!

Axlerod has made the statement himself about Obama not needing these voters.

It should be obvious by now.

what should be obvious?

L.A. Confidential's picture

Reality 101

16 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Wednesday Iran posed a "grave" danger in the Middle East and vowed to stop it from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

"The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat," Obama said in a speech to a conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a pro-Israel lobby group.

"I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon -- everything," he said to a standing ovation.

L.A. Confidential's picture

Samson- @ 4:

what should be obvious?

You figure it out.

Dr. (Bitter Hussein) Matt's picture

Hillary lost, get over it.

Samson- @ 4:

L.A. Confidential @ 2:

KYJurisDoctor @ 1:

Having BILLARY Clinton as vice president would be the equivalent of having a spitting Cobra as a room mate. You CANNOT control its NATURAL HABIT of spitting and biting. Either way, you get POISON in your blood circulatory system!

Axlerod has made the statement himself about Obama not needing these voters.

It should be obvious by now.

It's obvious that LAC is whining sore loser.

what should be obvious?

Dr. (Bitter Hussein) Matt @ 8:

Samson- @ 4:

L.A. Confidential @ 2:

KYJurisDoctor @ 1:

Axlerod has made the statement himself about Obama not needing these voters.

It should be obvious by now.

what should be obvious?

Take 2:

It's obvious that LAC is whining sore loser.

Samson-'s picture

L.A. Confidential @ 6:

Samson- @ 4:

what should be obvious?

You figure it out.

translation: nothing

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L.A. Confidential @ 5:

Reality 101

16 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Wednesday Iran posed a "grave" danger in the Middle East and vowed to stop it from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

"The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat," Obama said in a speech to a conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a pro-Israel lobby group.

"I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon -- everything," he said to a standing ovation.

Yes! Now we just need the Pharmacitical lobby, Oil lobby, and Insurance lobby to support Barack Obama and we are going to win for sure! He may want to tell Iran to "Bring it On" just to be on the safe side.

L.A. Confidential's picture

Chris H. @ 11:

Yes! Now we just need the Pharmacitical lobby, Oil lobby, and Insurance lobby to support Barack Obama and we are going to win for sure! He may want to tell Iran to "Bring it On" just to be on the safe side.

He already has their support.

“I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon — everything,” he said to a standing ovation. . . . . .

. . . . this is going to be interesting.

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L.A. Confidential @ 5:

Reality 101

16 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Wednesday Iran posed a "grave" danger in the Middle East and vowed to stop it from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

"The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat," Obama said in a speech to a conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a pro-Israel lobby group.

"I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon -- everything," he said to a standing ovation.

This story isn't on my.barackobama.com anywhere.

L.A. Confidential's picture

Will Obama Stand Up to the War Party?

atonement's picture

Clinton and Obama are at the AIPAC conference kissing Israel's ass and acting like Israel owns us all. The Israel/U.S. flag pins are a nice touch. The U.S. should just include Israel in the union, call it the 51st state and get this whole charade over with.

Only then will this so-called friendship and ass kissing make sense. There is NO WAY in hell that Israel's interests are the same as the United States', all the time, as we are lead to believe.

Considering Israel's apartheid-like oppression of the Palestinians, coupled with the oppressive dictatorships of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and one starts to wonder, "With friends like these, who needs enemies?"

And Americans wonder why events like 9/11 happen. The writing's on the wall, folks.

L.A. Confidential's picture

atonement @ 15:

Clinton and Obama are at the AIPAC conference kissing Israel's ass and acting like Israel owns us all. The Israel/U.S. flag pins are a nice touch. The U.S. should just include Israel in the union, call it the 51st state and get this whole charade over with.

Shhhhhhhhh. We don't want to upset Obama supporters.

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L.A. Confidential @ 16:

atonement @ 15:

Clinton and Obama are at the AIPAC conference kissing Israel's ass and acting like Israel owns us all. The Israel/U.S. flag pins are a nice touch. The U.S. should just include Israel in the union, call it the 51st state and get this whole charade over with.

Shhhhhhhhh. We don't want to upset Obama supporters.

your vitriol about obama seems odd, yet it is amusing how u are trying to portray yourself, when you were one of the main apologists for the main neoliberal candidate.

or, am i wrong, were you not a big hillary supporter?

xoites defends Constitution's picture

KYJurisDoctor @ 1:

Having BILLARY Clinton as vice president would be the equivalent of having a spitting Cobra as a room mate. You CANNOT control its NATURAL HABIT of spitting and biting. Either way, you get POISON in your blood circulatory system!

Kennedy chose Johnson not because he liked him, rather he felt it would be better to have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

Shag's picture

I am voting for the DEMOCRAT, period. People take allegiance to a candidate, as opposed to the cause, way, way toooooo seriously. Voting for McKissass, or not voting at all, is endorsing the same old bullshit policies that are taking down this country now.

McCain is on tv saying he sent a letter to Senator Obama inviting him to travel around the country with him doing town hall meetings together.

Apparently someone has been given a cattle-prod and instructed to wake the audience up at the appropriate times to applaud.

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pissed off patricia @ 20:

McCain is on tv saying he sent a letter to Senator Obama inviting him to travel around the country with him doing town hall meetings together.

Apparently someone has been given a cattle-prod and instructed to wake the audience up at the appropriate times to applaud.

so sad for mccain and the GOP, they need to travel around the country with the opposing candidate just to get some energy in their "townhall" meetings. (and in order to get people to show up)

i am just waiting for some good ole fashioned fear mongering and hate spewing from the repubs, those are the only emotions that still function in the GOP-body

Paul D's picture

Check out the hilarious interview between Jon Stewart of The Daily Show and Terry McAuliffe of the delusional Clinton campaign:

Terry McAuliffe on The Daily Show
http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=d40134e7-b2a3-4f1c-8497-8d86b...

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xoites defends Constitution @ 18:

KYJurisDoctor @ 1:

Having BILLARY Clinton as vice president would be the equivalent of having a spitting Cobra as a room mate. You CANNOT control its NATURAL HABIT of spitting and biting. Either way, you get POISON in your blood circulatory system!

Kennedy chose Johnson not because he liked him, rather he felt it would be better to have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

yet, kennedy's choice of johnson helped to tampdown some of the criticisms leveled against him. if obama would choose hillary it would have the opposite effect than did kennedy's choice, it would run counter to his--however suspect and hard to believe--underlying message

atonement's picture

CNN reports that during his AIPAC speech Obama said:

"Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided"

Well, that pretty much dashes any hope for real peace and exposes the hypocrisy of Israel supporters, including Obama, Clinton, Bush and the rest who claim they will work towards a just peace.

East Jerusalem was supposed to be the capital of the new Palestinian state, while West Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. An undivided Jerusalem sounds nice by Western standards. I mean, who wants division? It's a bad thing. It sounds terrible. But, east and west Jerusalem have completely different populations, one is Muslim/Christian (both Palestinian) the other is Jewish. Plus, Palestinians and the Muslim world will never accept this forced annexation.

Sagra's picture

I doubt that Cheney's "sabre" has done any "rattling" since the late 80's.

Samson- @ 22:

pissed off patricia @ 20:

McCain is on tv saying he sent a letter to Senator Obama inviting him to travel around the country with him doing town hall meetings together.

Apparently someone has been given a cattle-prod and instructed to wake the audience up at the appropriate times to applaud.

so sad for mccain and the GOP, they need to travel around the country with the opposing candidate just to get some energy in their "townhall" meetings. (and in order to get people to show up)

i am just waiting for some good ole fashioned fear mongering and hate spewing from the repubs, those are the only emotions that still function in the GOP-body

McCain's audience at this meeting today show no emotion but just sit there staring ahead. I swear he got them from Rent-an-Audience.

Samson-'s picture

pissed off patricia @ 27:

Samson- @ 22:

pissed off patricia @ 20:

McCain is on tv saying he sent a letter to Senator Obama inviting him to travel around the country with him doing town hall meetings together.

Apparently someone has been given a cattle-prod and instructed to wake the audience up at the appropriate times to applaud.

so sad for mccain and the GOP, they need to travel around the country with the opposing candidate just to get some energy in their "townhall" meetings. (and in order to get people to show up)

i am just waiting for some good ole fashioned fear mongering and hate spewing from the repubs, those are the only emotions that still function in the GOP-body

McCain's audience at this meeting today show no emotion but just sit there staring ahead. I swear he got them from Rent-an-Audience.

LOL, rent-an-audience

you never get good stuff from those rental places

Kathleen's picture

Any of the great writers here at Crooks and liars going to write about how all of the candidates are pledging their allegiance to Aipac this week. You know the Israeli Lobbying organization that Rosen and Weissman were the head officials for. You remember that investigation and trial of U.S. vs Rosen that dare not speak its name in the MSM or the so called "progressive" blogosphere.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Muz4yYbR-tAJ:www.fas.org/sgp/jud/rosen080906.pdf+U.S.+vs+Rosen&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

You remember the former Aipac officials who "allegedly" passed on classified intelligence that they had accessed illegally to Israeli officials. You must remember that trial that has been delayed at least five times. The one that has been "indefinitely delayed" Come on Rosen and Weissman operated out of Aipac for years and that organization was used as a vehicle to undermine U.S. National Security

Yet all of our candidates will be at the Aipac kissing the collective asses of the very organization.

Just take the time to imagine if two officials from any other countries lobbying organization had been caught passing classified documents onto say Ireland, Poland, or France. All hell would break lose. But when it comes to Aipac being involved with the undermining of U.S. national Security all of our candidates are at this conference ass kissing. Mearsheimer, Walt, Jimmy Carter, Norman Finkelstein, Vanessa Redgrave must all be wrong...the Israeli lobby has no real power. that is just a bunch of hype a conspiracy theory. What other country could get away with this in the U.S.?

Will any of you crooks and liars writers touch this issue?

Presidential candidates kissing ass at Aipac conference
http://www.aipac.org/index_2721.asp

Next on Agenda Is Clinton's Role
By ADAM NAGOURNEY[another asshat at the NYT]
Barack Obama must work to repair relations with Hillary Rodham Clinton and her supporters and decide whether to offer her a spot on the ticket.

Now, after all this shit from the Hillary side, Barack is supposed to make to heal things. what an asshat!

Samson- @ 17:

L.A. Confidential @ 16:

atonement @ 15:

Clinton and Obama are at the AIPAC conference kissing Israel's ass and acting like Israel owns us all. The Israel/U.S. flag pins are a nice touch. The U.S. should just include Israel in the union, call it the 51st state and get this whole charade over with.

Shhhhhhhhh. We don't want to upset Obama supporters.

your vitriol about obama seems odd, yet it is amusing how u are trying to portray yourself, when you were one of the main apologists for the main neoliberal candidate.

or, am i wrong, were you not a big hillary supporter?

still is.

CafeenMan's picture

Red is no longer the highest threat level.

It now goes up to Threat Level Bush.

That's the level where the foundation is being pulled out from under us and we're not concerned enough to do anything about it.

Peter G's picture

Dr. (Bitter Hussein) Matt @ 9:

Dr. (Bitter Hussein) Matt @ 8:

Samson- @ 4:

L.A. Confidential @ 2:

what should be obvious?

Take 2:

It's obvious that LAC is whining sore loser.

Which is not nearly as obnoxious as the mean spirited winner. Especially when the latter needs the former.

Samson-'s picture

Kathleen @ 29:

Any of the great writers here at Crooks and liars going to write about how all of the candidates are pledging their allegiance to Aipac this week. You know the Israeli Lobbying organization that Rosen and Weissman were the head officials for. You remember that investigation and trial of U.S. vs Rosen that dare not speak its name in the MSM or the so called "progressive" blogosphere.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Muz4yYbR-tAJ:www.fas.org/sgp/jud/rosen080906.pdf+U.S.+vs+Rosen&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

You remember the former Aipac officials who "allegedly" passed on classified intelligence that they had accessed illegally to Israeli officials. You must remember that trial that has been delayed at least five times. The one that has been "indefinitely delayed" Come on Rosen and Weissman operated out of Aipac for years and that organization was used as a vehicle to undermine U.S. National Security

Yet all of our candidates will be at the Aipac kissing the collective asses of the very organization.

Just take the time to imagine if two officials from any other countries lobbying organization had been caught passing classified documents onto say Ireland, Poland, or France. All hell would break lose. But when it comes to Aipac being involved with the undermining of U.S. national Security all of our candidates are at this conference ass kissing. Mearsheimer, Walt, Jimmy Carter, Norman Finkelstein, Vanessa Redgrave must all be wrong...the Israeli lobby has no real power. that is just a bunch of hype a conspiracy theory. What other country could get away with this in the U.S.?

Will any of you crooks and liars writers touch this issue?

Presidential candidates kissing ass at Aipac conference
http://www.aipac.org/index_2721.asp

while we wait for the great writers, i'll chime

this disgusts me.

but, at the same time, how could one be surprised? the estab chased out the truly indep candidates months ago.

in our political climate 2 things are necessary for mainstream success:
1) kissing AIPAC's hiny

2) covertly supporting the neoliberal policies that are destroying so much

Samson- @ 22:

pissed off patricia @ 20:

McCain is on tv saying he sent a letter to Senator Obama inviting him to travel around the country with him doing town hall meetings together.

Apparently someone has been given a cattle-prod and instructed to wake the audience up at the appropriate times to applaud.

so sad for mccain and the GOP, they need to travel around the country with the opposing candidate just to get some energy in their "townhall" meetings. (and in order to get people to show up)

i am just waiting for some good ole fashioned fear mongering and hate spewing from the repubs, those are the only emotions that still function in the GOP-body

It's coming.
You know for a fact it's coming.

Peter G @ 33:

Dr. (Bitter Hussein) Matt @ 9:

Dr. (Bitter Hussein) Matt @ 8:

Samson- @ 4:

Take 2:

It's obvious that LAC is whining sore loser.

Which is not nearly as obnoxious as the mean spirited winner. Especially when the latter needs the former.

what mean-spirited winner? boosh?

Samson- @ 34:

Kathleen @ 29:

Any of the great writers here at Crooks and liars going to write about how all of the candidates are pledging their allegiance to Aipac this week. You know the Israeli Lobbying organization that Rosen and Weissman were the head officials for. You remember that investigation and trial of U.S. vs Rosen that dare not speak its name in the MSM or the so called "progressive" blogosphere.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Muz4yYbR-tAJ:www.fas.org/sgp/jud/rosen080906.pdf+U.S.+vs+Rosen&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

You remember the former Aipac officials who "allegedly" passed on classified intelligence that they had accessed illegally to Israeli officials. You must remember that trial that has been delayed at least five times. The one that has been "indefinitely delayed" Come on Rosen and Weissman operated out of Aipac for years and that organization was used as a vehicle to undermine U.S. National Security

Yet all of our candidates will be at the Aipac kissing the collective asses of the very organization.

Just take the time to imagine if two officials from any other countries lobbying organization had been caught passing classified documents onto say Ireland, Poland, or France. All hell would break lose. But when it comes to Aipac being involved with the undermining of U.S. national Security all of our candidates are at this conference ass kissing. Mearsheimer, Walt, Jimmy Carter, Norman Finkelstein, Vanessa Redgrave must all be wrong...the Israeli lobby has no real power. that is just a bunch of hype a conspiracy theory. What other country could get away with this in the U.S.?

Will any of you crooks and liars writers touch this issue?

Presidential candidates kissing ass at Aipac conference
http://www.aipac.org/index_2721.asp

while we wait for the great writers, i'll chime

this disgusts me.

but, at the same time, how could one be surprised? the estab chased out the truly indep candidates months ago.

in our political climate 2 things are necessary for mainstream success:
1) kissing AIPAC's hiny

2) covertly supporting the neoliberal policies that are destroying so much

(snark on)
isn't centrism great?
(snark off)

♠Bangkok-Bob♠'s picture

Well, looks like there really is nothing worth staying out of a few bars here tonight.
Later

Peter G's picture

Samson- @ 34:

Kathleen @ 29:

Any of the great writers here at Crooks and liars going to write about how all of the candidates are pledging their allegiance to Aipac this week. You know the Israeli Lobbying organization that Rosen and Weissman were the head officials for. You remember that investigation and trial of U.S. vs Rosen that dare not speak its name in the MSM or the so called "progressive" blogosphere.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Muz4yYbR-tAJ:www.fas.org/sgp/jud/rosen080906.pdf+U.S.+vs+Rosen&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

You remember the former Aipac officials who "allegedly" passed on classified intelligence that they had accessed illegally to Israeli officials. You must remember that trial that has been delayed at least five times. The one that has been "indefinitely delayed" Come on Rosen and Weissman operated out of Aipac for years and that organization was used as a vehicle to undermine U.S. National Security

Yet all of our candidates will be at the Aipac kissing the collective asses of the very organization.

Just take the time to imagine if two officials from any other countries lobbying organization had been caught passing classified documents onto say Ireland, Poland, or France. All hell would break lose. But when it comes to Aipac being involved with the undermining of U.S. national Security all of our candidates are at this conference ass kissing. Mearsheimer, Walt, Jimmy Carter, Norman Finkelstein, Vanessa Redgrave must all be wrong...the Israeli lobby has no real power. that is just a bunch of hype a conspiracy theory. What other country could get away with this in the U.S.?

Will any of you crooks and liars writers touch this issue?

Presidential candidates kissing ass at Aipac conference
http://www.aipac.org/index_2721.asp

while we wait for the great writers, i'll chime

this disgusts me.

but, at the same time, how could one be surprised? the estab chased out the truly indep candidates months ago.

in our political climate 2 things are necessary for mainstream success:
1) kissing AIPAC's hiny

2) covertly supporting the neoliberal policies that are destroying so much

Remind me again Samson who's been in charge of foreign policy for the last seven odd years? And their policies are neo-liberal? Do I detect a faint whiff of antisemitism in the original post? Why yes I do.

Kathleen's picture

Peter G @ 39:

Samson- @ 34:

Kathleen @ 29:

Any of the great writers here at Crooks and liars going to write about how all of the candidates are pledging their allegiance to Aipac this week. You know the Israeli Lobbying organization that Rosen and Weissman were the head officials for. You remember that investigation and trial of U.S. vs Rosen that dare not speak its name in the MSM or the so called "progressive" blogosphere.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Muz4yYbR-tAJ:www.fas.org/sgp/jud/rosen080906.pdf+U.S.+vs+Rosen&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

You remember the former Aipac officials who "allegedly" passed on classified intelligence that they had accessed illegally to Israeli officials. You must remember that trial that has been delayed at least five times. The one that has been "indefinitely delayed" Come on Rosen and Weissman operated out of Aipac for years and that organization was used as a vehicle to undermine U.S. National Security

Yet all of our candidates will be at the Aipac kissing the collective asses of the very organization.

Just take the time to imagine if two officials from any other countries lobbying organization had been caught passing classified documents onto say Ireland, Poland, or France. All hell would break lose. But when it comes to Aipac being involved with the undermining of U.S. national Security all of our candidates are at this conference ass kissing. Mearsheimer, Walt, Jimmy Carter, Norman Finkelstein, Vanessa Redgrave must all be wrong...the Israeli lobby has no real power. that is just a bunch of hype a conspiracy theory. What other country could get away with this in the U.S.?

Will any of you crooks and liars writers touch this issue?

Presidential candidates kissing ass at Aipac conference
http://www.aipac.org/index_2721.asp

while we wait for the great writers, i'll chime

this disgusts me.

but, at the same time, how could one be surprised? the estab chased out the truly indep candidates months ago.

in our political climate 2 things are necessary for mainstream success:
1) kissing AIPAC's hiny

2) covertly supporting the neoliberal policies that are destroying so much

Remind me again Samson who's been in charge of foreign policy for the last seven odd years? And their policies are neo-liberal? Do I detect a faint whiff of antisemitism in the original post? Why yes I do.

Peter that "antisemitism" ace is not working as well as it used to to shut down this critical dialogue. Do I notice your desire to shut down dialogue "why yes I do"

Peter G's picture

Kathleen @ 40:

Peter G @ 39:

Samson- @ 34:

Kathleen @ 29:

while we wait for the great writers, i'll chime

this disgusts me.

but, at the same time, how could one be surprised? the estab chased out the truly indep candidates months ago.

in our political climate 2 things are necessary for mainstream success:
1) kissing AIPAC's hiny

2) covertly supporting the neoliberal policies that are destroying so much

Remind me again Samson who's been in charge of foreign policy for the last seven odd years? And their policies are neo-liberal? Do I detect a faint whiff of antisemitism in the original post? Why yes I do.

Peter that "antisemitism" ace is not working as well as it used to to shut down this critical dialogue. Do I notice your desire to shut down dialogue "why yes I do"

If I thought you wanted a dialogue I'd engage in one. I have many concerns about Israeli policies. You, however, seem to be looking for one of those jewish conspiracy circle jerks. In what way is your post an invitation to debate anything. In fact it's just an invitation to this site to put forward your own views while you'er waiting for "all the great writers" to endorse your views.

Mickey Finn's picture

Kathleen @ 29:

Any of the great writers here at Crooks and liars going to write about how all of the candidates are pledging their allegiance to Aipac this week. You know the Israeli Lobbying organization that Rosen and Weissman were the head officials for. You remember that investigation and trial of U.S. vs Rosen that dare not speak its name in the MSM or the so called "progressive" blogosphere.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Muz4yYbR-tAJ:www.fas.org/sgp/jud/rosen080906.pdf+U.S.+vs+Rosen&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

You remember the former Aipac officials who "allegedly" passed on classified intelligence that they had accessed illegally to Israeli officials. You must remember that trial that has been delayed at least five times. The one that has been "indefinitely delayed" Come on Rosen and Weissman operated out of Aipac for years and that organization was used as a vehicle to undermine U.S. National Security

Yet all of our candidates will be at the Aipac kissing the collective asses of the very organization.

Just take the time to imagine if two officials from any other countries lobbying organization had been caught passing classified documents onto say Ireland, Poland, or France. All hell would break lose. But when it comes to Aipac being involved with the undermining of U.S. national Security all of our candidates are at this conference ass kissing. Mearsheimer, Walt, Jimmy Carter, Norman Finkelstein, Vanessa Redgrave must all be wrong...the Israeli lobby has no real power. that is just a bunch of hype a conspiracy theory. What other country could get away with this in the U.S.?

Will any of you crooks and liars writers touch this issue?

Presidential candidates kissing ass at Aipac conference
http://www.aipac.org/index_2721.asp

Mickey Finn's picture

Mickey Finn @ 42:

Kathleen @ 29:

Any of the great writers here at Crooks and liars going to write about how all of the candidates are pledging their allegiance to Aipac this week. You know the Israeli Lobbying organization that Rosen and Weissman were the head officials for. You remember that investigation and trial of U.S. vs Rosen that dare not speak its name in the MSM or the so called "progressive" blogosphere.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Muz4yYbR-tAJ:www.fas.org/sgp/jud/ro... href="http://"
We were going to devote an entire page to the subject but you saved us the trouble. THANKS!

You remember the former Aipac officials who "allegedly" passed on classified intelligence that they had accessed illegally to Israeli officials. You must remember that trial that has been delayed at least five times. The one that has been "indefinitely delayed" Come on Rosen and Weissman operated out of Aipac for years and that organization was used as a vehicle to undermine U.S. National Security

Yet all of our candidates will be at the Aipac kissing the collective asses of the very organization.

Just take the time to imagine if two officials from any other countries lobbying organization had been caught passing classified documents onto say Ireland, Poland, or France. All hell would break lose. But when it comes to Aipac being involved with the undermining of U.S. national Security all of our candidates are at this conference ass kissing. Mearsheimer, Walt, Jimmy Carter, Norman Finkelstein, Vanessa Redgrave must all be wrong...the Israeli lobby has no real power. that is just a bunch of hype a conspiracy theory. What other country could get away with this in the U.S.?

Will any of you crooks and liars writers touch this issue?

Presidential candidates kissing ass at Aipac conference
http://www.aipac.org/index_2721.asp

Mickey Finn's picture

Mickey Finn @ 43:

Mickey Finn @ 42:

Kathleen @ 29:

Any of the great writers here at Crooks and liars going to write about how all of the candidates are pledging their allegiance to Aipac this week. You know the Israeli Lobbying organization that Rosen and Weissman were the head officials for. You remember that investigation and trial of U.S. vs Rosen that dare not speak its name in the MSM or the so called "progressive" blogosphere.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Muz4yYbR-tAJ:www.fas.org/sgp/jud/ro... href="http://"
We were going to devote an entire page to the subject but you saved us the trouble. THANKS!

You remember the former Aipac officials who "allegedly" passed on classified intelligence that they had accessed illegally to Israeli officials. You must remember that trial that has been delayed at least five times. The one that has been "indefinitely delayed" Come on Rosen and Weissman operated out of Aipac for years and that organization was used as a vehicle to undermine U.S. National Security

Yet all of our candidates will be at the Aipac kissing the collective asses of the very organization.

Just take the time to imagine if two officials from any other countries lobbying organization had been caught passing classified documents onto say Ireland, Poland, or France. All hell would break lose. But when it comes to Aipac being involved with the undermining of U.S. national Security all of our candidates are at this conference ass kissing. Mearsheimer, Walt, Jimmy Carter, Norman Finkelstein, Vanessa Redgrave must all be wrong...the Israeli lobby has no real power. that is just a bunch of hype a conspiracy theory. What other country could get away with this in the U.S.?

Will any of you crooks and liars writers touch this issue?

Presidential candidates kissing ass at Aipac conference
http://www.aipac.org/index_2721.asp

We've wertitten on the subject many times in the past and will, ni doubt, continue to cover it. Indeed, we had p[lanned on devoting an entire page to the subject, but you saved us the trouble! THANKS!

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Peter G @ 39:

Samson- @ 34:

Kathleen @ 29:

Any of the great writers here at Crooks and liars going to write about how all of the candidates are pledging their allegiance to Aipac this week. You know the Israeli Lobbying organization that Rosen and Weissman were the head officials for. You remember that investigation and trial of U.S. vs Rosen that dare not speak its name in the MSM or the so called "progressive" blogosphere.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Muz4yYbR-tAJ:www.fas.org/sgp/jud/rosen080906.pdf+U.S.+vs+Rosen&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

You remember the former Aipac officials who "allegedly" passed on classified intelligence that they had accessed illegally to Israeli officials. You must remember that trial that has been delayed at least five times. The one that has been "indefinitely delayed" Come on Rosen and Weissman operated out of Aipac for years and that organization was used as a vehicle to undermine U.S. National Security

Yet all of our candidates will be at the Aipac kissing the collective asses of the very organization.

Just take the time to imagine if two officials from any other countries lobbying organization had been caught passing classified documents onto say Ireland, Poland, or France. All hell would break lose. But when it comes to Aipac being involved with the undermining of U.S. national Security all of our candidates are at this conference ass kissing. Mearsheimer, Walt, Jimmy Carter, Norman Finkelstein, Vanessa Redgrave must all be wrong...the Israeli lobby has no real power. that is just a bunch of hype a conspiracy theory. What other country could get away with this in the U.S.?

Will any of you crooks and liars writers touch this issue?

Presidential candidates kissing ass at Aipac conference
http://www.aipac.org/index_2721.asp

while we wait for the great writers, i'll chime

this disgusts me.

but, at the same time, how could one be surprised? the estab chased out the truly indep candidates months ago.

in our political climate 2 things are necessary for mainstream success:
1) kissing AIPAC's hiny

2) covertly supporting the neoliberal policies that are destroying so much

Remind me again Samson who's been in charge of foreign policy for the last seven odd years? And their policies are neo-liberal? Do I detect a faint whiff of antisemitism in the original post? Why yes I do.

i couldn't help but giggle

do you even know what neoliberal means? seriously, do you? look it up, understand it, then come back and play. (here is a hint: neoliberal policies were first enacted by the likes of reagan and thathcher, devised by peeps like milton friedman, and are kept alive today thru economic neocolonialism, facilitated thru the IMF/WB)

and are you claiming that AIPAC is the same as being Jewish?

peter.... please, before you try to flame, understand what you are flaming.

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Samson@45 Yes. Yes Yes . You've used this vague little term before. What you really mean by it who knows since no dictionary can nail down what it means. As regards conflating AIPAC with Judaism I think that might be a problem more for Kathleen and you than myself.

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It can be done, but it will take time to reverse the "military madness".

the real goal ... peace.
and peaceful and solutions.

We will know them by their message and their words..

..keep identifying and exposing all front groups, organizations,
including all "bizzare faith leaders" whose message is to divide, promote and teach war.

Due to all the covert propaganda in the US, This new concept will help...
http://therealnews.com

The "reality" is that war and aggressive positions are not all supported
by most Americans of Jewish descent and and in Israel.

Daniel Levy Senior Fellow discusses this.
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&It...

On the spying case...
Regardless of who is involved, serious crimes have been committed.
Many are waiting for the trial to proceed.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/rosen080906.pdf

other secrecy news...
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/govsec/index.html
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/blogs.html

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Peter G @ 41:

Kathleen @ 40:

Peter G @ 39:

Samson- @ 34:
Remind me again Samson who's been in charge of foreign policy for the last seven odd years? And their policies are neo-liberal? Do I detect a faint whiff of antisemitism in the original post? Why yes I do.

Peter that "antisemitism" ace is not working as well as it used to to shut down this critical dialogue. Do I notice your desire to shut down dialogue "why yes I do"

If I thought you wanted a dialogue I'd engage in one. I have many concerns about Israeli policies. You, however, seem to be looking for one of those jewish conspiracy circle jerks. In what way is your post an invitation to debate anything. In fact it's just an invitation to this site to put forward your own views while you'er waiting for "all the great writers" to endorse your views.

Peter if two officials who represented a lobbying organization that was in full support of say Ireland had been caught "allegedly" passing U.S. classified documents off to officials from the country they were lobbying for Do you think the investigation and trial of those two officials would be covered by our mainstream media? Do you think our Presidential candidates would be at the lobbying organizations conference in full support of that country that was part of undermining U.S. National Security. In other words do you think Israel is treated as an exception to the standard rule or reactions

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Peter G @ 46:

Samson@45 Yes. Yes Yes . You've used this vague little term before. What you really mean by it who knows since no dictionary can nail down what it means. As regards conflating AIPAC with Judaism I think that might be a problem more for Kathleen and you than myself.

"who knows"....?

it is like amateur-hour....

if you are inferring that term neoliberalism is, somehow, arcane and used only by me then you are more ignorant and less-informed than i gave you credit for.

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The Smiths @ 47:

It can be done, but it will take time to reverse the "military madness".

the real goal ... peace.
and peaceful and solutions.

We will know them by their message and their words..

..keep identifying and exposing all front groups, organizations,
including all "bizzare faith leaders" whose message is to divide, promote and teach war.

Due to all the covert propaganda in the US, This new concept will help...
http://therealnews.com

The "reality" is that war and aggressive positions are not all supported
by most Americans of Jewish descent and and in Israel.

Daniel Levy Senior Fellow discusses this.
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&It...

On the spying case...
Regardless of who is involved, serious crimes have been committed.
Many are waiting for the trial to proceed.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/rosen080906.pdf

other secrecy news...
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/govsec/index.html
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/blogs.html

Do you think our MSM has reported or not reported about the investigation into former Aipac officials Rosen and Weissman's "alleged" spying and undermining of U.S. National Security differently than say if these two guys had been lobbying for Ireland?

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Kathleen @ 48:

Peter G @ 41:

Kathleen @ 40:

Peter G @ 39:

Peter that "antisemitism" ace is not working as well as it used to to shut down this critical dialogue. Do I notice your desire to shut down dialogue "why yes I do"

If I thought you wanted a dialogue I'd engage in one. I have many concerns about Israeli policies. You, however, seem to be looking for one of those jewish conspiracy circle jerks. In what way is your post an invitation to debate anything. In fact it's just an invitation to this site to put forward your own views while you'er waiting for "all the great writers" to endorse your views.

Peter if two officials who represented a lobbying organization that was in full support of say Ireland had been caught "allegedly" passing U.S. classified documents off to officials from the country they were lobbying for Do you think the investigation and trial of those two officials would be covered by our mainstream media? Do you think our Presidential candidates would be at the lobbying organizations conference in full support of that country that was part of undermining U.S. National Security. In other words do you think Israel is treated as an exception to the standard rule or reactions

Asking you Peter

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Kathleen @ 48:

Peter G @ 41:

Kathleen @ 40:

Peter G @ 39:

Peter that "antisemitism" ace is not working as well as it used to to shut down this critical dialogue. Do I notice your desire to shut down dialogue "why yes I do"

If I thought you wanted a dialogue I'd engage in one. I have many concerns about Israeli policies. You, however, seem to be looking for one of those jewish conspiracy circle jerks. In what way is your post an invitation to debate anything. In fact it's just an invitation to this site to put forward your own views while you'er waiting for "all the great writers" to endorse your views.

Peter if two officials who represented a lobbying organization that was in full support of say Ireland had been caught "allegedly" passing U.S. classified documents off to officials from the country they were lobbying for Do you think the investigation and trial of those two officials would be covered by our mainstream media? Do you think our Presidential candidates would be at the lobbying organizations conference in full support of that country that was part of undermining U.S. National Security. In other words do you think Israel is treated as an exception to the standard rule or reactions

Not that the story isn't to some degree newsworthy but you may have noticed that there is an election cranking up here and, frankly, having read the indictment that was just posted here I don't think this is page one material. Nowhere, in the indictment is there any allegation that Franklin was offered any inducement for the information he provided. Furthermore they have a rather strong constitutional defense. If the gov't can make merely knowing a piece of information they have classified andthat a gov't employee volutarily supplies a criminal offense then you'd better stop reading and listening. If you want to make a generic case against lobbyists in general I'm all ears. BTW I do think Israel receives exceptional treatment but then most allies do.

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So here are the latest articles on the postponement (the fifth postponement) of the Aipac/Rosen/Weissman trial.

http://www.nysun.com/national/aipac-trial-postponed-again/73450/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,280172,00.html

http://www.forward.com/articles/12631/

The AIPAC Spy Trial: A Case of Prosecutus Interruptus (audio)
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/06/the-aipac-spy-trial-a-case-of-pro...

My question is this. How differently would the main stream media be dealing with coverage (almost complete lack of coverage) of this investigation and trial if this had to do with any other lobbying organization other than Aipac and ultimately the country of Israel?

My other question is. If any other countries lobbying organization had been used as a vehicle to access classified documents that were passed onto that country and in doing so undermined U.S. National Security would our Presidential candidates be at that Lobbies conference pledging allegiance to that country?.

Would Olberman have all ready reported about this investigation and trial if it had been any other country involved in being a vehicle for this alleged spying? Would Brian Williams have done a report? Katie Couric? The only MSMer that I have heard even whisper about this trial was Chris Matthews, he whispered about one of the delays once and that was that. Even NPR's Diane Rehm will not do a show on tthe Aipac/Rosen/ Weissman investigation and trial. How does Peter explain this?

Justin Raimando's latest on this issue

Will Obama Stand Up to the War Party?
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12942

For those of you who have not read the indictment U.S.vs. Rosen
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Muz4yYbR-tAJ:www.fas.org/sgp/jud/rosen080906.pdf+U.S.+vs+Rosen&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

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Peter G @ 52:

Kathleen @ 48:

Peter G @ 41:

Kathleen @ 40:
If I thought you wanted a dialogue I'd engage in one. I have many concerns about Israeli policies. You, however, seem to be looking for one of those jewish conspiracy circle jerks. In what way is your post an invitation to debate anything. In fact it's just an invitation to this site to put forward your own views while you'er waiting for "all the great writers" to endorse your views.

Peter if two officials who represented a lobbying organization that was in full support of say Ireland had been caught "allegedly" passing U.S. classified documents off to officials from the country they were lobbying for Do you think the investigation and trial of those two officials would be covered by our mainstream media? Do you think our Presidential candidates would be at the lobbying organizations conference in full support of that country that was part of undermining U.S. National Security. In other words do you think Israel is treated as an exception to the standard rule or reactions

Not that the story isn't to some degree newsworthy but you may have noticed that there is an election cranking up here and, frankly, having read the indictment that was just posted here I don't think this is page one material. Nowhere, in the indictment is there any allegation that Franklin was offered any inducement for the information he provided. Furthermore they have a rather strong constitutional defense. If the gov't can make merely knowing a piece of information they have classified andthat a gov't employee volutarily supplies a criminal offense then you'd better stop reading and listening. If you want to make a generic case against lobbyists in general I'm all ears. BTW I do think Israel receives exceptional treatment but then most allies do.

So reporting about a trial that has been postponed five times that has to do with the undermining of U.S. National Security is not news worthy?

Oh yeah and we have not heard enough about the election. You can turn on MSNBC from 5 - 10 p.m for the last six months (at least) and not hear anything but hashing and rehashing about what a candidates pastor said, if they are wearing a lapel pin and what Bill Clinton or Michelle Obama sneezed that day. But reporting about this investigation and trial is not news worthy.

Peter my question to you is this (again) if this trial and investigation about two former Aipac officials Rosen and Weissman passing on classified documents to Israeli officials had to do with any other lobbying organization other than Aipac or the country of Israel, would our MSM be writing about it and covering it?

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Samson- @ 49:

Peter G @ 46:

Samson@45 Yes. Yes Yes . You've used this vague little term before. What you really mean by it who knows since no dictionary can nail down what it means. As regards conflating AIPAC with Judaism I think that might be a problem more for Kathleen and you than myself.

"who knows"....?

it is like amateur-hour....

if you are inferring that term neoliberalism is, somehow, arcane and used only by me then you are more ignorant and less-informed than i gave you credit for.

Neoliberalism is a rather ill-defined concept usually defined by whoever wants to use it at the time. Professional economists never do. Except with derision.

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Here is the indictment with the statement of facts having to do with Franklin ( who is the only person in jail yet for this spying)

http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/aipac/franklin_facts.pdf

Here is the U.S. Vs. Rosen Franklin, Weissman indictment
http://www.fas.org/irp/ops/ci/franklin0805.pdf

A great page to access more info since the MSM is not touching this investigation or trial
http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/aipac/index.html

This would be an obvious time to be discussing this trial since our Presidential candidates are all kissing ass at the Aipac conference this week

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Mickey Finn @ 44:

Mickey Finn @ 43:

Mickey Finn @ 42:

Kathleen @ 29:

We've wertitten on the subject many times in the past and will, ni doubt, continue to cover it. Indeed, we had p[lanned on devoting an entire page to the subject, but you saved us the trouble! THANKS!

Yes you have, more than any other so called "progressive" blog. But please do not allow my efforts to talk about this critical issue stop you folks who are far more adept at tackling this issue than I am from writing a full page when the Aipac conference is taking place. you will be far better at drawing people into this much needed discussion.

Time to write about the Aipac conference and the undereported Aipac hearings that have been going on during the month of May...

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Peter G @ 55:

Samson- @ 49:

Peter G @ 46:

Samson@45 Yes. Yes Yes . You've used this vague little term before. What you really mean by it who knows since no dictionary can nail down what it means. As regards conflating AIPAC with Judaism I think that might be a problem more for Kathleen and you than myself.

"who knows"....?

it is like amateur-hour....

if you are inferring that term neoliberalism is, somehow, arcane and used only by me then you are more ignorant and less-informed than i gave you credit for.

Neoliberalism is a rather ill-defined concept usually defined by whoever wants to use it at the time. Professional economists never do. Except with derision.

nah, it is defined.

"Professional economists never do. Except with derision" this is lame peter: nebulous, undefined, anonymous, pathetic. and, not to mention, it doesn't make sense: do they 'deride' the idea that neoliberalism exists, or do they 'deride' neoliberal policies...

peter.... the handholding has grown tiresome.

do yourself a favor and educate yourself on neoliberalism. maybe start by learning about the IMF. from their move on to market fundamentalism.

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Kathleen @ 54:

Peter G @ 52:

Kathleen @ 48:

Peter G @ 41:

Peter if two officials who represented a lobbying organization that was in full support of say Ireland had been caught "allegedly" passing U.S. classified documents off to officials from the country they were lobbying for Do you think the investigation and trial of those two officials would be covered by our mainstream media? Do you think our Presidential candidates would be at the lobbying organizations conference in full support of that country that was part of undermining U.S. National Security. In other words do you think Israel is treated as an exception to the standard rule or reactions

Not that the story isn't to some degree newsworthy but you may have noticed that there is an election cranking up here and, frankly, having read the indictment that was just posted here I don't think this is page one material. Nowhere, in the indictment is there any allegation that Franklin was offered any inducement for the information he provided. Furthermore they have a rather strong constitutional defense. If the gov't can make merely knowing a piece of information they have classified andthat a gov't employee volutarily supplies a criminal offense then you'd better stop reading and listening. If you want to make a generic case against lobbyists in general I'm all ears. BTW I do think Israel receives exceptional treatment but then most allies do.

So reporting about a trial that has been postponed five times that has to do with the undermining of U.S. National Security is not news worthy?

Oh yeah and we have not heard enough about the election. You can turn on MSNBC from 5 - 10 p.m for the last six months (at least) and not hear anything but hashing and rehashing about what a candidates pastor said, if they are wearing a lapel pin and what Bill Clinton or Michelle Obama sneezed that day. But reporting about this investigation and trial is not news worthy.

Peter my question to you is this (again) if this trial and investigation about two former Aipac officials Rosen and Weissman passing on classified documents to Israeli officials had to do with any other lobbying organization other than Aipac or the country of Israel, would our MSM be writing about it and covering it?

I doubt if this case will succeed. I don't think it would succeed regardless of what country was involved. There are issues any decent lawyer could drive a truck through. In the overall scheme of things a story like this wouldn't be much more than local news. What more can I tell you. There are much more significant issues than this that are being ignored.

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Sadly the us media controls everything that americans hear, see and read.

Many american families are trying to sift through all of the accelerated covert media mess.

But thanks to the internet..
and media watchdog sites like Crooks and Liars and others..

so good... they are getting the rightful exposure here and elsewhere.
...many gatekeeper blogs would have erased these types of posts by now.

ever since the Justice System has been hijacked..
Very serious issues and crimes need to be brought into the sunlight and exposed...

Someday the truth will be known and become mainstream.

There are sites that are taking on all the criminals...
the CheneyBushRove Domestic mob, the dixie mafia, the Russian Israeli mafia
and all of the inter connected organizations.

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since the Bush Justice System is so corrupt...

another good sign....

a bipartisan group of 54 former state attorneys general filed a brief with the federal appeals court
in support of Siegelman, writing that the government’s bribery prosecution raised serious concerns.

We will also never forget what a longtime US Attorney wrote on July 5th 2007..
In Denver, the same town where the National Convention will be held..
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/070907N.shtml

Onward...
http://www.denverdnc2008.com

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Hagee's prediction now has me secretly titillated! JFC, that guy is the gay antichrist if I ever heard it before! Thanks Holy Crap!

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Peter G @ 59:

Kathleen @ 54:

Peter G @ 52:

Kathleen @ 48:
Not that the story isn't to some degree newsworthy but you may have noticed that there is an election cranking up here and, frankly, having read the indictment that was just posted here I don't think this is page one material. Nowhere, in the indictment is there any allegation that Franklin was offered any inducement for the information he provided. Furthermore they have a rather strong constitutional defense. If the gov't can make merely knowing a piece of information they have classified andthat a gov't employee volutarily supplies a criminal offense then you'd better stop reading and listening. If you want to make a generic case against lobbyists in general I'm all ears. BTW I do think Israel receives exceptional treatment but then most allies do.

So reporting about a trial that has been postponed five times that has to do with the undermining of U.S. National Security is not news worthy?

Oh yeah and we have not heard enough about the election. You can turn on MSNBC from 5 - 10 p.m for the last six months (at least) and not hear anything but hashing and rehashing about what a candidates pastor said, if they are wearing a lapel pin and what Bill Clinton or Michelle Obama sneezed that day. But reporting about this investigation and trial is not news worthy.

Peter my question to you is this (again) if this trial and investigation about two former Aipac officials Rosen and Weissman passing on classified documents to Israeli officials had to do with any other lobbying organization other than Aipac or the country of Israel, would our MSM be writing about it and covering it?

I doubt if this case will succeed. I don't think it would succeed regardless of what country was involved. There are issues any decent lawyer could drive a truck through. In the overall scheme of things a story like this wouldn't be much more than local news. What more can I tell you. There are much more significant issues than this that are being ignored.

Well Peters attitude in regard to Rosen, Weissman and Franklin passing classified intelligence (I understand that it was about Iran) to Israeli officials tells the story. Peter obviously does not think it is serious when the Israeli lobby undermines U.S. National Security. Just all in a days business for Aipac. Everybody does it no big deal, no problem here. Just some local news about folks spying for another country and undermining U.S. National Security. So move along nothing here. Just the possibility that some lives may be lost or a country may be invaded. Move along..just what the MSM has been doing.

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bilhelm-axis of evil-X @ 62:

Hagee's prediction now has me secretly titillated! JFC, that guy is the gay antichrist if I ever heard it before! Thanks Holy Crap!

They always blaspheme, but then they never call...

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Robert Fisk sure knows how to stick a knife in your bubble

Horrors we have no choice but to forget
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/fisk/robert-fisk-horrors-we-have-no-ch...

I have a clear memory of a terrible crime that was committed in southern Lebanon in 1978. Israeli soldiers, landing at night on the beach near Sarafand – the city of Sarepta in antiquity – were looking for "terrorists" and opened fire on a car load of female Palestinian refugees.

It took the Israelis a day before they admitted shooting at the car with an anti-tank weapons, by which time I had watched civil defence workers pulling the dead women from the vehicle, their faces slopping off on to the road, an AP correspondent holding his hands to his face in shock, leaning against an ambulance, crying "Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ. I suppose all this is because of what Hitler did to the Jews." Save for his remark, however, all I remember is silence. As if the whole scene was muted, sound smothered by the dead.

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The Antichrist is gay, “partially Jewish, as was Hitler”

That little cock sucker Lieberman must be the anti-christ....

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Hope Crooks and Liars picks up this idea on doing a full page on the Aipac conference the ass kissing that all of the Presidential candidates are participating in at the conference. How Aipac has somehow come out unscathed and the hypocrisy in that the two top officials in that organization are being indicted for espionage. And that Aipac was the vehicle they used to undermine U.S. National Security.

Are you folks as chickenshit as the MSM on this topic?

Sure looks like it

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