This is OUTRAGEOUS!

the judge must be part of the torture club........those holes in the paddle make a difference...i remember

Both...

ROCHESTER, Minn. (AP) — Al Franken won a resounding endorsement for the U.S. Senate on Saturday from Minnesota Democrats

WAY TO GO AL - KICK ASS ALL THE WAY TO THE SENATE!

You notice all the comments on the Channel 4 page are in favor of the paddling? Most Americans love violent solutions to problems.

I, too, think this is outrageous. There is no way I would allow this (of course, I don't have children, but if I did, and all).

The only time I could advocate spanking a child is if they did something to endanger their life (run into the street, put their hands near the stove, etc.) because if you use that kind of tool for the worst offenses (possible death) it sends a very serious message - and reinforces that they really, truly did something they need to remember.

But a spanking and using a paddle? No way. No how.

I never hit my dog...if she does something wrong, I scream at her (which is something I almost never do unless it's a serious offense - which works well). Why would I want to virtually torture my kid?

Caning anyone? I didn't realize we were in Singapore.

Rick O. @ 6:

I once reported a dad for child abuse for beating his daughter with a paddle. I don't see much of a differenc here.

How old was the daughter of the person you reported? Was he just spanking her, or was he going to town? If its just a spanking, you need to mind your business. If he's completely brutalizing the poor child, then yes, its abuse.

Only in Texas! The judge should be stripped of his robes. This kind of public humiliation is awful. These religiuos right-wing nut-jobs are destroying this country. People in Red States, WAKE UP! this isn't American, This is a disgrace!

deezus @ 13:

Rick O. @ 6:

I once reported a dad for child abuse for beating his daughter with a paddle. I don't see much of a differenc here.

How old was the daughter of the person you reported? Was he just spanking her, or was he going to town? If its just a spanking, you need to mind your business. If he's completely brutalizing the poor child, then yes, its abuse.

I think the phrase 'beating his daughter with a paddle' kind of answers that question, doesn't it?

Rick O. @ 18:

He would have her stripped naked and on her bed. He also wanted her wet. She came to me with a neighbor after she escaped out of her window because the door was locked from the outside. The emergency response worker called me crying because he found another girl and the man's wife locked in the home as well. The man went quietly with the L.A.P.D.

Ok, you made the right call.

Spider @ 17:

deezus @ 13:

Rick O. @ 6:

I once reported a dad for child abuse for beating his daughter with a paddle. I don't see much of a differenc here.

How old was the daughter of the person you reported? Was he just spanking her, or was he going to town? If its just a spanking, you need to mind your business. If he's completely brutalizing the poor child, then yes, its abuse.

I think the phrase 'beating his daughter with a paddle' kind of answers that question, doesn't it?

Not necessarily, if my mother told somebody she beat my ass, they would assume she spanked me. They wouldn't necessarily assume she went crazy and hit me with all her might.

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory @ 12:

I got my ass whipped.
What's the problem?

If I acted out in public, the penalty would be administered immediately and with certitude.
If I cut school, you can bet I would be leaving home wearing extra undies so I could sit in class.

My thoughts as well. He wanted to watch the girl get a beating. That should have been a red flag for anyone in the courtroom.

Generally when a primitive group of people are contacted by the outside world, their culture evolves and modernizes.

Texas is the exception to the rule.

America's only Stone Age state.

The judge is a pervert. He was probably getting off on watching the young girl being spanked. "Spank her harder, harder." Judicial robes can hide a multitude of sins.

Too bad we didn't have more Republicans in office, then we wouldn't have situations like this where the governemnt sticks its nose in the people's business and tells them how to live their lives.

So much for keeping the government out of our lives.

I don't think the judge is dressing quite right, he would look better in high heels and a mini skirt. "Sir, you need to put on these high heels and dress, or you will be fines $500."

Cufford @ 24:

This wasn't so uncommon just a few decades ago...you know, when kids used to grow up with respect for authority and the rest of society.

About time we start heading back in that direction. The past few decades of this anti-spanking psychobabble has given us a whole generation of disrespectful and dangerous youth, and unsafe schools. The proof is in the pudding.

Most adults today were spanked as kids and we all turned out just fine. It worked for centuries upon centuries. But just a few decades of making spanking taboo and look at the generation it has produced.

Spanking isn't the cure-all for all things and all kids, but it's long been a most valuable and effective tool in the discipline toolbox. And because works most of the time.

Firstly, this is very conservative logic. That a complex problem (raising children in a modern society) can be reduced to a quick-fix is bullshit in and of itself. I was a good kid and even my oldest brother, who was a nightmare in his day, is now a very successful, mature, balanced adult thanks to the non-physical discipline offered by my parents. That's not to say that I think spanking is always wrong, because that's a hefty generalization. But a lack of spanking is not responsible for all of society's ills. Poor parenting comes in many shapes and forms, regardless of whether or not you hit your kids.

Secondly, and I want to stress this, the Judge told the man to spank his fourteen year-old daughter in front of the entire courtroom, using a hefty paddle, and then admonished said father for not hitting his daughter 'hard enough'. This is not okay.

Rick O. @ 18:

He would have her stripped naked and on her bed. He also wanted her wet. She came to me with a neighbor after she escaped out of her window because the door was locked from the outside. The emergency response worker called me crying because he found another girl and the man's wife locked in the home as well. The man went quietly with the L.A.P.D.

good call.
that is a righteous thing you did.
please don't snip a story like that. as adults, it's important to get a complete story like that out. I'm no voyeur. Actually, at my church, we have youth organizations and we have to watch for signs of abuse. It's not predictable, but we are trained to observe for signs.

Awesome.

Just... awesome.

i can maybe handle the mother doing the spanking on her own accord but the judge demanded the spanking weird

sunshinematty @ 38:

Meat @ 28:

sunshinematty @ 20:

The way I read it, he didn't so much "order violence" as much as he offered an option out of a $500 fine. The family could easily have accepted the fine. They could have also been involved in seeing that their daughter attended class. You don't end up in truancy court because you skipped a couple of classes.

I think you're missing the point. Firstly, the decision to physically reprimand a child is one that parents get to make for themselves, and not something to be ordered by the courts. Secondly, a teenage girl being publicly humiliated and punished in front of a gawking crowd? You see nothing wrong with this? I'm speechless.

I see nothing wrong with it. The parents were given an option. They CHOSE (they were not ordered) they chose to reprimand (finally) their child who has seen fit to miss more than 2 weeks (at a minimum) of school. After the father shuffled around and didn't take things seriously, the judge found it rude, and essentially said, "If you're going to take this option, do it right." I'm assuming this was more a lesson for the parents than the child. BTW, for everyone knee-jerking about red-state religious nut jobs, Gus Garcia is a total lefty. He helped fight the redistricting that has made things impossible for Dems in Texas.

Its not the court's place. The judge should've just given the fine and been done with it.

There just seems something wrong with non-consensual BDSM paedophilia...

Look, the RESEARCH on spanking is pretty clear. It doesn't work. It's why many US states ban it, as well as most western industrialized nations.

Also, if you look at news reports form 50 years ago, there's a great lamentation about how unruly US kids have become. That's also true for 150 years ago. It's a cultural stereotype more than a fact.

The comments scare the hell out of me. Too many of the commentators really are in to violence. Bleh!

Does anyone see the kink involved with this?

In my humble opinion there is NEVER any reason to beat, whip, spank or hit a child.
Most people believe that corporal punishment is necessary to discipline children.

Guess what? The word "discipline" is derived from the Latin and really means "an instruction or a teaching." And what does and adult "teach" a child when he/she hits or spanks - that's right - you teach them that hitting and/or hurting another person is OKAY.

And when to adults usually hit or spank their children? When they're frustrated or angry - so, the real lesson for the child is - whenever I get frustrated or angry it is OKAY for me to HIT or HURT someone else.

We do not own our children. They are not objects - they are human beings. They need only to be cared for by parents who want them, pay attention to them, really teach them, and most of all Love them. If the only way you know to help a child understand that their behavior is unsafe or unkind is to hurt them - then you should not be a parent in the first place.

brat @ 45:

Look, the RESEARCH on spanking is pretty clear. It doesn't work. It's why many US states ban it, as well as most western industrialized nations.

Also, if you look at news reports form 50 years ago, there's a great lamentation about how unruly US kids have become. That's also true for 150 years ago. It's a cultural stereotype more than a fact.

The comments scare the hell out of me. Too many of the commentators really are in to violence. Bleh!

... obviously you haven't had the "privilege" of having to teach anyone born after 1982. Something went really, really wrong.

As someone who received countless spankings and beatings as a child, yet survived to become a relatively normal person and good citizen in spite of it, I say that spanking is never, or almost never, justified.

I never spanked any of my own children, and they have all grown to be happy, healthy, and productive good people.

I am convinced that there is something seriously wrong with those who are in favor of corporal punishment.

The Dude @ 52:

brat @ 45:

The comments scare the hell out of me. Too many of the commentators really are in to violence. Bleh!

... obviously you haven't had the "privilege" of having to teach anyone born after 1982. Something went really, really wrong.

Yes. It was Reagan. That's what went wrong. Reagan.

sure i think that the judge can order a spanking. what this judge however ordered wasn't a spanking but was, as a matter of fact, a clubbing due to the use of a paddle.
open hand spankings are one thing, clubbings/canings are quite another. the potential for injury increases drastically when not using a hand.
i'd also check to see if this judge was wearing anything under those robes...just as a thought.

Amitola @ 49:

In my humble opinion there is NEVER any reason to beat, whip, spank or hit a child.
Most people believe that corporal punishment is necessary to discipline children.

Guess what? The word "discipline" is derived from the Latin and really means "an instruction or a teaching." And what does and adult "teach" a child when he/she hits or spanks - that's right - you teach them that hitting and/or hurting another person is OKAY.

And when to adults usually hit or spank their children? When they're frustrated or angry - so, the real lesson for the child is - whenever I get frustrated or angry it is OKAY for me to HIT or HURT someone else.

We do not own our children. They are not objects - they are human beings. They need only to be cared for by parents who want them, pay attention to them, really teach them, and most of all Love them. If the only way you know to help a child understand that their behavior is unsafe or unkind is to hurt them - then you should not be a parent in the first place.

Amen!

How preverse a stepfather paddling a 14 year old! Shame on that pervert judge! He could have ordered her to clean the school cafeteria or something else!

That's assault and battery, child abuse and all sorts of bullshit. That guy needs to be looking for a new job-preferably one that includes the phrase "Would you like fries with that, sir?" I don't even know if he's qualified to do that...

Jeez..

I just read the comments by the FREAKS FROM TEXAS on the link to the site! Very creepy

KGBT4

The idea that violence is a cure is right up there with whichcraft.

Hitler and Stalin's dads beat the shit out of them on a regular basis.

It's like this.....I have a friend who is a dog trainer, his dogs are rescue dogs and find folks caught in avalanches. Somebody asked him if it was OK to use a rolled up newspaper for discipline if the pup messed in the house. "Oh yes, if your dog has an accident in the house you can roll up a newspaper real tight and then hit yourself in the head."

You don't hit people you love.

I culled some choice commentary and added a bit of my own here.

America might be a "one step forward, two steps back" kinda country, if it weren't for the complete LACK of the "one step forward".

The judge is clearly out of line here. There is no statute by which the state can impose corporal punishment without parental consent, and there's no authority for the state to compel a citizen to do what the state may not.

The parent should have kicked the shit out of the judge.

-jcr

deezus @ 26:

Meat @ 22:

What's worse? The news story, or the sickening comments?

I'm shocked that people see nothing wrong with an adult spanking a fourteen year-old girl in an open court room, only to be told by the Judge (who I imagine was licking his lips) that he's not doing it 'hard enough.'

That's my issue with it, its not necessarily the corporal punishment (and the kid is 14, a little old for whoopins in my opinion), its 1. ordered public humiliation and 2. the whole "you didn't do it hard enough" carries with it some sick fantasy shit.

Meat @ 22:

What's worse? The news story, or the sickening comments?

I'm shocked that people see nothing wrong with an adult spanking a fourteen year-old girl in an open court room, only to be told by the Judge (who I imagine was licking his lips) that he's not doing it 'hard enough.'

If you're so bent about the ALTERNATIVE, which the parent chose to do after being given more than one option, maybe the issue should be how drastic the 500 dollar fine is. Do the math. Assuming that this man obliterated his child for 5 minutes, that comes to a compensation rate of 6,000 dollars per hour for time spent. Not having to pay that 500 dollars very likely saved that girls allowance for the next year! Lower the price of the fine, find parents that care more about the sanctity of their child's backside or find a judge that doesn't give options. Until that time, we're just splitting hairs.

If this happend in Pennsylvania, It would be all over the news, These Red Staters are so backwards it is depressing.

"Whichcraft"?
That craft!

Maybe if I had been beaten as a child I could spell.

Amitola @ 74:

deezus @ 56:

Amitola @ 49:

In my humble opinion there is NEVER any reason to beat, whip, spank or hit a child.
Most people believe that corporal punishment is necessary to discipline children.

Guess what? The word "discipline" is derived from the Latin and really means "an instruction or a teaching." And what does and adult "teach" a child when he/she hits or spanks - that's right - you teach them that hitting and/or hurting another person is OKAY.

And when to adults usually hit or spank their children? When they're frustrated or angry - so, the real lesson for the child is - whenever I get frustrated or angry it is OKAY for me to HIT or HURT someone else.

We do not own our children. They are not objects - they are human beings. They need only to be cared for by parents who want them, pay attention to them, really teach them, and most of all Love them. If the only way you know to help a child understand that their behavior is unsafe or unkind is to hurt them - then you should not be a parent in the first place.

As long as you remember that this is your opinion we'll be fine. I think that corporal punishment should be rare, but it has its place. It cannot be the only punishment, it has to be accompanied by something.

For example, when I got my ass beat as a child, I was told why and explained why what I did was wrong before and after getting whooped, I was then grounded for at least a week. It was never done in public, it was never done with fury or malice aforethought. But it was done.

And, your parents could have just as well done the explaining and grounded you, without the beating, and if they had been diligent about enforcing the grounding, I'm sure you would have learned the appropriate lesson.

The fact that you are still making excuses for your parents behavior (not in public, no fury, malice, etc.) demonstrates that you were shamed by the people who were supposed to love you and guide you - not hurt you. Just sayin'....

Please, I'm begging you, don't dishonor my parents. They weren't perfect, but they raised some good kids. I was not shamed by them, I was disciplined by them. Don't begin to think you know what went down in my house. I have not made such assumptions about your parents parenting skills. You tread on dangerous ground when you disrespect someone's parents.

Ratface @ 64:

My father knocked me around when I was a little kid.
I was 6'2" in my second year of high-school & weighed
over 200 pounds. Strange he never laid a hand on me after
I grew. Anyway that judge is a moron & the girls parents
are idiots. Nothing but cowards. Maybe the girl will grow
to a good size & kick her weasel father's ass. It would be
the right thing to do. Fucking hillbillies. :-)

I'll never forget the look on my mom's face when I turned around and pasted her one after she started beating on my bare legs with a slotted metal spoon. I was 16. We had a punch up that went from upstairs to downstairs. I was so pissed. I bent the shank of the spoon, like Superman. No one could budge it, much less straighten it out after the fracas had ended. It was stainless steel, and a weapon of choice for both my parents.

Fuck beatings. I wish I didn't have such shitty memories of my folks.

this isnt easy, you see these Justices of the Peace go year after year unchallenged for their public office// a. they dont get paid enough . b. there isnt enough qualified judges her in the valley (and this is a 99% democratic party controlled area... corrupt and democratic (plenty of repubs in dems clothing around here)

Looks like its time to pull out the Freud-Chair and hang around a bit...

In an affidavit, Zurita says that when he was through, the judge told him he had not struck the girl hard enough.
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What if he had struck her to hard? then what?
then the father gets arrested for abuse?
when does it become torture?

wheeee @ 87:

In an affidavit, Zurita says that when he was through, the judge told him he had not struck the girl hard enough.
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What if he had struck her to hard? then what?
then the father gets arrested for abuse?
when does it become torture?

what's the legal definition "struck a person with perfect force"?

All those for hitting a kid-go hit an adult you think needs disciplining. You'll end up in jail. It used to be fine for a guy to smack his wife around. And rape her. Because she was 'his.' Many still think its ok, because they still do it and are surprised when they are arrested for it.

Hitting is assault. Full stop. Whether it's an adult you don't know, or a kid living under your own roof. And assault is illegal, last I heard.

Just sayin'

wheeee @ 89:

wheeee @ 87:

In an affidavit, Zurita says that when he was through, the judge told him he had not struck the girl hard enough.
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What if he had struck her to hard? then what?
then the father gets arrested for abuse?
when does it become torture?

what's the legal definition "struck a person with perfect force"?

This.

But it's all relative. No pun intended.

What's next, caning?

seevee @ 94:

The prisons are full of people who got beatings to teach them how to behave. Evidently it worked.

So are Universities.

wanna bet justice garza has a sexual fetish or ten. i bet he's got a drawer full of girls panties, too.

what a goddamned freak. but then, the rulings coming out of texas recently, shows there's lotsa sexual freaks buried in the texas juridiary.

Did the judge want the parents to take down her panties and let him sniff them while she was being paddled?

Next upcoming red state Justice rulings:

All pregnant women must appear bare foot in the courtroom. All black men are to be addressed by the name Tom when they appear before the judge. Any defendant charged with tying a gay man to fence, beat, and left to die is to be commended for doing a public service and to have their case thrown out for lack of merit.

deezus @ 97:

seevee @ 94:

The prisons are full of people who got beatings to teach them how to behave. Evidently it worked.

So are Universities.

Exactly. The reasons that studies done is prisons are of no use is because the people doing the studies don't compare the results to the general population, because it is much harder to get a sampling from the general population. I remember a study done some years ago that said that most prisoners had slept in their parents beds in their childhood. The scientists then came out with the crazy theory that you should never allow your child in your bed. They never considered how much of the general population had also slept in their parents beds.

Spanking and beating are two entirely different things. I've been around children who have never been spanked. I'm not around them long, because they are little tyrants, and they grow up to be large tyrants.

foolme1ns @ 105:

deezus @ 97:

seevee @ 94:

The prisons are full of people who got beatings to teach them how to behave. Evidently it worked.

So are Universities.

Exactly. The reasons that studies done is prisons are of no use is because the people doing the studies don't compare the results to the general population, because it is much harder to get a sampling from the general population. I remember a study done some years ago that said that most prisoners had slept in their parents beds in their childhood. The scientists then came out with the crazy theory that you should never allow your child in your bed. They never considered how much of the general population had also slept in their parents beds.

Spanking and beating are two entirely different things. I've been around children who have never been spanked. I'm not around them long, because they are little tyrants, and they grow up to be large tyrants.

None of my good friends spank or spanked their kids. And they're fine. In fact, I have a friend whose kids are my age, never spanked, one's a lawyer, one's a doctor. And their kids have never been spanked, and the two that are young adults, one is pre med, and the other just finished a project in Africa with the Peace Corps and is attending school in France. Never been spanked. Imagine that.

miss_kitty @ 107:

foolme1ns @ 105:

deezus @ 97:

seevee @ 94:

So are Universities.

Exactly. The reasons that studies done is prisons are of no use is because the people doing the studies don't compare the results to the general population, because it is much harder to get a sampling from the general population. I remember a study done some years ago that said that most prisoners had slept in their parents beds in their childhood. The scientists then came out with the crazy theory that you should never allow your child in your bed. They never considered how much of the general population had also slept in their parents beds.

Spanking and beating are two entirely different things. I've been around children who have never been spanked. I'm not around them long, because they are little tyrants, and they grow up to be large tyrants.

None of my good friends spank or spanked their kids. And they're fine. In fact, I have a friend whose kids are my age, never spanked, one's a lawyer, one's a doctor. And their kids have never been spanked, and the two that are young adults, one is pre med, and the other just finished a project in Africa with the Peace Corps and is attending school in France. Never been spanked. Imagine that.

Well, I have been spanked and I'm a psychologist. We can do this all night. Ghandhi was probably spanked as a child. I'll wager that Bush wasn't spanked as a child.

Not everyone is the same. People can be just like dogs. Some pup breeds are easily raised by nature, some not so much by nature. Its just not necessary to rule out spankings all together just because a few other kids never had them.

deezus @ 109:

miss_kitty @ 107:

foolme1ns @ 105:

deezus @ 97:

Exactly. The reasons that studies done is prisons are of no use is because the people doing the studies don't compare the results to the general population, because it is much harder to get a sampling from the general population. I remember a study done some years ago that said that most prisoners had slept in their parents beds in their childhood. The scientists then came out with the crazy theory that you should never allow your child in your bed. They never considered how much of the general population had also slept in their parents beds.

Spanking and beating are two entirely different things. I've been around children who have never been spanked. I'm not around them long, because they are little tyrants, and they grow up to be large tyrants.

None of my good friends spank or spanked their kids. And they're fine. In fact, I have a friend whose kids are my age, never spanked, one's a lawyer, one's a doctor. And their kids have never been spanked, and the two that are young adults, one is pre med, and the other just finished a project in Africa with the Peace Corps and is attending school in France. Never been spanked. Imagine that.

Well, I have been spanked and I'm a psychologist. We can do this all night. Ghandhi was probably spanked as a child. I'll wager that Bush wasn't spanked as a child.

You wanna source you claim for Ghandhi being spanked? One of my friends who does not spank her kids is a psychologist (Existential phenominologist) as well and the friend I cite above was friends with Carl Jung. So what? Hitting is still abuse and assault, whether you're a psychologist or not.

Thank you Judge for implementing Sharia law. It's exactly what we need in this country! Many congrats!

foolme1ns @ 105:

deezus @ 97:

seevee @ 94:

The prisons are full of people who got beatings to teach them how to behave. Evidently it worked.

So are Universities.

Exactly. The reasons that studies done is prisons are of no use is because the people doing the studies don't compare the results to the general population, because it is much harder to get a sampling from the general population. I remember a study done some years ago that said that most prisoners had slept in their parents beds in their childhood. The scientists then came out with the crazy theory that you should never allow your child in your bed. They never considered how much of the general population had also slept in their parents beds.

Spanking and beating are two entirely different things. I've been around children who have never been spanked. I'm not around them long, because they are little tyrants, and they grow up to be large tyrants.

"Exactly" ? I specifically wrote "beatings". I know the difference. When my kids were todlers I'd slap their hands if they were reaching for something dangerous, and I might slap their butts to get their attention but I never hit them with a stick or spanked them hit after hit after hit.

It is hard to find good info on the effects of corporal punishment as everyone has an agenda. I did find this but it is a small sample and the authors are anti-corporal punishment. Even so, the prison numbers are striking. (Pun intended)

http://nospank.net/maurer1.htm

Sometimes a good spanking is the only deterrent to bad behavior.

Too many times in our now Dr. Spock generations the only time a child is punished is when the cell door clangs shut.

Of COURSE it's in Texas. Couldn't we sell Texas to someone . . . anyone. What a pig.

Meat @ 33:

Cufford @ 24:

Most adults today were spanked as kids and we all turned out just fine.

You may think so, but I beg to differ.

Can we waterboard them also?

sunshinematty @ 38:

Meat @ 28:

sunshinematty @ 20:

The way I read it, he didn't so much "order violence" as much as he offered an option out of a $500 fine. The family could easily have accepted the fine. They could have also been involved in seeing that their daughter attended class. You don't end up in truancy court because you skipped a couple of classes.

I think you're missing the point. Firstly, the decision to physically reprimand a child is one that parents get to make for themselves, and not something to be ordered by the courts. Secondly, a teenage girl being publicly humiliated and punished in front of a gawking crowd? You see nothing wrong with this? I'm speechless.

I see nothing wrong with it. The parents were given an option. They CHOSE (they were not ordered) they chose to reprimand (finally) their child who has seen fit to miss more than 2 weeks (at a minimum) of school. After the father shuffled around and didn't take things seriously, the judge found it rude, and essentially said, "If you're going to take this option, do it right." I'm assuming this was more a lesson for the parents than the child. BTW, for everyone knee-jerking about red-state religious nut jobs, Gus Garcia is a total lefty. He helped fight the redistricting that has made things impossible for Dems in Texas.

Have you seen "Sophie's Choice"?

miss_kitty @ 126:

deezus @ 118:

my point was, spanking or not spanking isn't necessarily what causes someone to succeed in life. You seemed to be making the point that not spanking produces superior children. I just wanted to counter that.

Martin Luther King Jr. was spanked. That's for certain.

deezus @ 109 "Spanking and beating are two entirely different things. I’ve been around children who have never been spanked. I’m not around them long, because they are little tyrants, and they grow up to be large tyrants."

Only after you made the point that NOT SPANKING produces inferior children and human beings.

Pax, ok? :)

I didn't write that one, someone else did.

We're cool. :)

deezus @ 129:

miss_kitty @ 126:

deezus @ 118:

my point was, spanking or not spanking isn't necessarily what causes someone to succeed in life. You seemed to be making the point that not spanking produces superior children. I just wanted to counter that.

Martin Luther King Jr. was spanked. That's for certain.

not deezus @ 109 "Spanking and beating are two entirely different things. I’ve been around children who have never been spanked. I’m not around them long, because they are little tyrants, and they grow up to be large tyrants."

Only after you someone else (oops) made the point that NOT SPANKING produces inferior children and human beings.

Pax, ok? :)

I didn't write that one, someone else did.

We're cool. :)

OH! Dang it all! Excuse me. My apologies... :-)

Barrett D @ 124:

this isn't really corporal punishment. the judge wavered the punishment (500$ fine) in exchange for the parents showing some action of discipline so the kid may not end up back in court.

First, it is really corporal punishment, whether the fine is waived or not. Jesus, it's obvious that the judge wanted the girl to feel pain- he chastised the step-father for not spanking the girl hard enough.

And who's to blame if the girl ends up in front of the judge again?

I'm sorry, but there's no uniform response to any type of punishment. Vince Lombardi knew this 50 years ago! Some of his Packers needed the coach and his staff to crack down on them, and Lombardi would scream at guys like Nitchske and Kramer if they failed to make a play in practice. Other players, like Hornung and McGee, could stay out all night before a game, and Lombardi would turn a blind eye, because if he didn't turn the blind eye those players wouldn't play as they should.

My favorite part of reading comments on subjects such as this one is when people automatically start talking about how kids USED to have respect for authority. Society is going downhill...blah blah blah

"Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers."
-- Socrates

"The Earth is degenerating today.
Bribery and corruption abound.
Children no longer obey their parents,
every man wants to write a book, and
it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching."
--Assyrian Tablet 2800 BCE

Apparently even 4800 years ago....older folks thought they acted better than the younger generation around them.
I believe the proportion of children who "behave" and the number who act out in some fashion hasn't changed a bit in thousands of years. You can have any opinion on spanking that you want....but don't blame your position on children being "badder" these days.

This is perverted - no way around it. Keep an eye on the judge and watch to see if his hand disappears while the spanking's taking place. I'd put money on that one.

He wants to charge her with truancy? Let's charge him with LUNACY.

IMPEACH HIS ASS.
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Miatch @ 9:

You notice all the comments on the Channel 4 page are in favor of the paddling? Most Americans love violent solutions to problems.

Paddling is for people who aren't mature enough to handle problems with their children in other, more appropriate ways.
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"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod , he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." Proverbs 22:13-14.

"For whom the Lord loveth he chastiseth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as sons; for what son is he whom the father chastiseth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then ye are bastards and not sons." Hebrews 12:7-8

My parents were in favor of corporal punishment and as a result my brothers and sisters had an aversion to it. Their children were "little tyrants." I suspect that even though many people raised without this type of punishment have excellent careers, they are as the Bible says, "bastards."

Homo say Whaa? @ 141:

the Bible says

The bible is full of shit, and so are you.

judge orders a stepfather to paddle a 14 year old girl in open court????

the judge is a pervert and needs to be removed from the bench

miss_kitty @ 81:

I'll never forget the look on my mom's face when I turned around and pasted her one after she started beating on my bare legs with a slotted metal spoon. I was 16. We had a punch up that went from upstairs to downstairs. I was so pissed. I bent the shank of the spoon, like Superman. No one could budge it, much less straighten it out after the fracas had ended. It was stainless steel, and a weapon of choice for both my parents.

Fuck beatings. I wish I didn't have such shitty memories of my folks.

Believe me, I know exactly how you feel.

Homo say Whaa? @ 141:

"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod , he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." Proverbs 22:13-14.

"For whom the Lord loveth he chastiseth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as sons; for what son is he whom the father chastiseth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then ye are bastards and not sons." Hebrews 12:7-8

My parents were in favor of corporal punishment and as a result my brothers and sisters had an aversion to it. Their children were "little tyrants." I suspect that even though many people raised without this type of punishment have excellent careers, they are as the Bible says, "bastards."

We get it! You're a kook. Can't control your kids? Don't have them!