Fox News Sunday: Damning John McCain With Faint Praise
By Nicole Belle Saturday Jun 07, 2008 7:00pm
Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines, but I do not believe that the official GOP Propaganda Office ...er, FOXNews feels at all confident about Republican presumptive nominee John McCain's chances this November. I don't think I've ever seen them be as upfront not only about his personal weaknesses, but also that the general sense is the country overall is not in good shape. I have to believe that there will be calls to Roger Ailes' office coming from the White House over this surprisingly bleak assessment of the state of the country and upcoming election.
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Chris Wallace starts the discussion by saying that the economy is in bad shape and McCain offers nothing to ameliorate voters' fears. Brit Hume attempts to temper that like the good little GOP flunkie that he is by suggesting that the high gas prices could benefit McCain, but Juan Williams openly scoffs at him. Even hyper-partisan Bill Kristol suggests that McCain is going to have a tough time attracting voters unless he frames himself outside of economic issues.
Transcripts below the fold
CW: Let's talk about the economy, because the news on Friday was certainly striking, Brit. I mean, you had this $10 spike in the price of a barrel of crude oil, you had the unemployment rate, there were some statistical issues, but it was up by a half a point, the highest in 2 decades. Stock market, 400 points down. If - and I repeat, if -- not necessarily that set of perfect trifecta, bad economic news continues, does a McCain stand a chance?
BH: He stands a chance, because he is not the incumbent. But the candidate of the incumbent party is always affected badly by bad conditions in the country. And the economy is not likely to be perceived as particularly good. On the other hand, whatever happened to the recession? I thought we were in a recession; you don't hear that. It hasn't happened. It's kind of a miracle it hasn't, given all the forces that were weighed against the economy, which continues to kind of poke along at a very slow pace. But remarkable, nonetheless. I would say that if this bad economic news continues, it obviously helps Obama. McCain will need to outline a program that makes it appear he will do something major about it. You would think that gasoline prices could help McCain; it's helping members of the Republican Party in the Congress where the Democrats are not for doing anything to increase our supply. Except for nuclear power, McCain really isn't either.
CW: I was going to say, he's on the Democratic page on this.
BH: I don't think that's an issue that works too well for him, although it may work for people down ballot.
JW: You say gas should help McCain?
BH: Gas...I'm saying that the issue of gasoline prices could help McCain because the public polls have changed on this, Juan. People are for exploring for more oil, they're for more nuclear power, they're for exploring for oil off the coast. The Democrats are all against this and Obama is too.
JW: Are you kidding me? With two oil men in the White House right now and oil prices going up right now under Republican policies, that's going to help McCain?
BH: John McCain is not one of those people who is in the White House, Juan.
ML: You know, it's hard to see how a bad economy helps McCain in any way, shape or form. But, uh, he also hasn't come up with even just the raw material he needs to make to get into the debate. He needs to have a real plan, a better plan than he does, I think it also matters who he picks as the Vice President. If they're seen as competent in those areas where McCain has said very honestly that are not his main strengths. I mean, he's a national security/foreign policy um, guy.
CW: And that raises a really interesting question, Bill, because the fact is McCain has had this time-I mean, he has had four months since he locked up the nomination - and for all the talk about the sickly green backdrop at the speech and the fact that he didn't read a teleprompter very well, I think the thing that surprised me the most is that he didn't have a bold initiative on the economy or on energy to sit there and say, you know, beyond just making fun of the "change" line, to say, ‘I represent change and I got some specific, new ideas.'
BK: Well, there's more he can do, but he's locked himself in to certain positions which limit his flexibility. For example, he can't become a huge advocate for drilling, which I agree with Brit, would actually be popular. On taxes, he's already proposed corporate tax cuts and therefore, his ability to do something bolder with big tax reform is somewhat limited. I think, probably McCain is McCain. You know, if this is a Commander in Chief election, I think he has a good shot of winning. If it's an Orator in Chief election, he's going to lose. Or to put it slightly differently, the verdict on is the country in good shape, he's going to lose. If he can make it a choice election going forward, at a time of war, I think he has a pretty good chance to win. People could decide they got a Democratic Congress, they're not going to have conservative policies for the next two to four years, much as I would like them, no matter who's President, isn't it safer to have McCain as Commander in Chief?
JW: I tell you, you listen to this conversation and you think how can Barack Obama lose? And yet, when you look at the electoral map, the electoral map is pretty much what the electoral map's always been and it looks like it favors the Republicans and at least forgives the sins of the past eight years.
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Ahhhhhh, no worries.....McCain in 08
I’ve been waiting all day for this.
And I failed.
Mccain is toast.
Fox might be slowly repositioning itself for the inevitable - an Obama presidency. They don't want to become completely irrelevant.
As for the White House - they could care less as long as nobody says anything bad about the preznit.
They seemed stunned to realize that they have been delusional all these years.
My wife was at the "D" conference (allthingsdigital.com) in San Diego the week before last. Murdoch was one of the speakers, and he said he expects Obama to be the next president and endorses him, so, maybe the word is out...
Aaaaaaaaah, back to the god ole reich-wing rhetoric of "bad news is good news!"
High gas prices and low gas prices = reich-wing success
Less deaths in Iraq and more deaths in Iraq = reich-wing success
Low approval ratings and high approval ratings = reich-wing success
don't fall for it....don't want to get soft on their account plus their some of us to watch fox to see what the enemy is saying so they will throw us a bone...of there is the fact that even these numbskulls can see the economy is taking a crap.....
I'm wondering how the people on this blog feel about not being in a recession. Sure seems like a recession at my house and at my neighbor's house and in my town and in my state. Britney Hume makes me bitter.
outtheoffice @ 1:
Is 2008 the year of retirement for this senile shell-of-a-man? Let us hope and pray.
Faux News will still be drinking the koolaid until the end of time. I hope they disappear just like the repubs will. Sooner rather than later.
Classic example of the broken clock being correct twice a day, but with less frequency.
That picture of Limey Ex-Humed is priceless
Gas at four bucks? Its already $4.65 at many stations here in old Lieberland (Connecticut).
How that could be a help to McSame is beyond reason.
Hume:
This guy is really funny... if he wasn't such an asshole lying piece of feces (thanks POP).
Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 10:
If the inflation rate were stated correctly, it would be 17%. Ain't that a tad like being in a recession? Not that we are in a recession, mind you 'cause that would make us all feel kinda bad and this is the USA! Number One, man!
I just can't get over this. Maybe McCain should try to raise the gas prices up to $7.00. Then he would get elected for sure?
The gop with help from corporate media are framing the debate for Iraq not the economy.
The WaPo started today with this crap:
"Iraq, Not Economy, Frames the Presidential Debate":
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/07/AR200806...
I read on americablog about mctraitor making anti-american propaganda videos while in captivity. I know the response willl be if he is called on it; "Well, the man was tortured!" Hmmmm...So torturing really isn't a viable way to extract truth from a prisoner.
If someone could just bring these line of questioning up, mctraitor could be cornered into being a traitor, or supporting torture, which by his own experience, assuming he's not a traitor, elicits false statements from the torturee.
'...frames himself outside of economic issues...?'
Like what? Iraq? As if that's a winning strategy these days, either.
Could reality be descending on the GOP? Nah. Remember they are the party of religious values. They should pray for God to give us more oil!
nonny mouse @ 21:
He certainly can't frame himself inside economic issues. He has NO grasp of economics. What's he going to say? "Go shopping."
fox snooze aren't what they appear to be at first glance, a pack of dedicated, fawning, right wing lickspittles to the gop. they are in fact worse. they are a pack of whores going where ever the money will take them. they see the writing on the wall and are in the process of cozying up to their new "johns". the democrats.
Britney:
Is he really talking able John McSame? is Hume for real?
I just caught this, Brit Hume actually contradicts himself moments after saying this:
Followed up by this:
JW: Are you kidding me? With two oil men in the White House right now and oil prices going up right now under Republican policies, that’s going to help McCain?
Wow. Did Brit Hume forget that Brit Hume stated moments earlier that the candidate of the incumbent party is affected by bad incumbent policy?
You know when they clean the scum off the sides of the gene pool? These guys are at the very bottom of the barrel where they put that scum. Calling them stupid would be an insult to stupid people.
re 22:
"They should pray for God to give us more oil!"
God helps them that help themselves. Sooo, let's get a big pot and boil Rove, Ailes, Kagen, Hagee and every other overweight republican and render the oil out of their fat. That should last us for twenty years, easy.
Ever notice how these Republican dopes over at youtube put up videos and then when you go to comment, ie. blow their theories and philosophies out of the water, it comes up "comment pending approval" and you never see your comment for some reason???
Makes you wonder.
What chicken shits with their one way commenting and their choir preaching approved comments.
And then Mara chimes in:
Maybe, just maybe they should not have McShame deliver all this information in a speech in front of a green background. McDickhead will have then all asleep before he gets to the end.
getalife @ 19:
Yeah, well Bush's War is what "framed" the economy for a big fall.
Juan is right. (about the electoral map....and college) If in the next few years there isn't some sort of reform where a vote is a vote ..... The Democratic party just learned a lesson about that so if/WHEN we get Obama we should look at reforming that whole delegate/electoral college thing.
...not in a recession?!
Brit.
You ignorant slut.
Four of a kind.....all losers!
Brit, you look like the cheese fell off your cracker. Retirement is looking better and better.
McCains double standard on drug issues.
Wanna see the the real Mrs John McCain the forgotten abandoned first wife, the one they DONT allow infront of any cameras...
Republican family values fooey.
P.D. @ 22:
I am sure Jeff Gannon took his own massage oil on his midnight trips to the WH.
outtheoffice @ 1:
1808 maybe
Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 10:
Even the idiots on CNN have been loudly claiming we're in a recession. What has Brit been smokin' lately? I just filled my gas tank and I could use some of that shit about now.
ferrofluid, Eew! But really, I was wondering. How could they pray for more oil, when most of them think the Earth is only 6,000 years old?
WATCH: Sen Graham: McCain's Policies Would "Absolutely" Be An Extension Of Bush's
how high is Juan Williams at the end?
Gretchen @ 38:
Republican crack!!
Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 42:
Figures it would be something nasty like that. Ah hell, why did I even ask? Couldn't afford it anyway.
Hume and Kristol are some funny bastards. FauxNews is Unintentional Comedy Central.
Ross Perot on John McCain via the Daily Mail
rather damning, and telling of the crime family lovin GOP who worship money and put it above all else including truth and honor.
Two Americans walking along a road see an apple pie cooling on a window sill,
the Dem says 'what a lovely pie somebody made, the cook's kids are going to enjoy that later for supper'
the Republican steals it and sells it off cheaply to somebody else.
stymie @ 20:
34 broadcasts supposedly. 'Songbird' his nickname at the Hanoi Hilton or 'Crown Prince' by his Vietnamese masters.
Some of this might be traced back to Rove from 2000, but mud sticks even after 8 years...
and people have long memories.
Gretchen @ 43:
Talking of affording it anyway, bloke I work with is 6'3" 300lb and bought himself a $120 suspension bicycle at Wallyworld,
first jump off the kerb the suspension collapsed... theres some dumb people out there.
You just know what political party he votes for when Faux wakes him up.
ferrofluid (Obama 08) @ 35:
You must read this!!! McShame is more sickening than you thought.
I didn't have to puke until the end part when Bill kristol came on, he and bush have that effect on me, just can't control the gag reflex.
(pssst, I have shares in the Brooklyn Bridge also, Cheap)
This is like listening to a bunch of General Motors executives in 1974 discuss how the public really does like big cars and that this call for small cars is just more election year piffle.
What effing planet are their jerks on?
When does Brit Hume go to jail? Roger Ailes? Hannity, O'Lielly, and the rest of those shitheads?
hareli @ 50:
and which plants did GM just close :)
the gov employee loved SUV plants, gov being prob the biggest fleet buyer of gas guzzling SUVs in the US.
ferrofluid (Obama 08) @ 35:
insane mccain is a first class prick!! I hope his rich wife runs around on him when he loses the election and he gets even more senile. A recent pic I saw of her makes her look kind of pudgy but I guess he wont dump HER since she's the one with all the money. Those moral lepers deserve each other!
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ @ 49:
Unlike you, Bob, my overwhelming urge is to punch william the bloody into the next century! he really pisses me off! (I guess I need some anger management lessons.)
brit hume knows that mccain and the republican party are full of shit. the truth slips out of him in accidental spurts like diarrhea from an overfull colon.
does he state that "mccain will need to outline a program that he believes will do something major about it"?
no -- whoops! hume inadvertently tells the truth as he attempts to act the part of "a serious person." mccain's proposals have nothing to do with what he would do as president but are designed solely and specifically to appeal to the largest number of
rubesvoters, mccain just needs to "appear" to have the best interests of this country at heart.the shamelessness of it. the outrageous hypocrisy contained in that short sentence.
just like bush.
ferrofluid (Obama 08) @ 35:
Interesting article. Sooner or later that story and the fact that Ross Perot finds him untrustworthy will make it beyond the blogs.
I think if US citizens are given a choice between drilling in Alaska and $7 gallon gas, it would be no contest.
Your principals would go out the window if you had to open your wallets.
Listening to Hume, Kristol, and whatever her name is, reminds me of a bunch of dried up Hollywood stars trying out for Hollywood Squares. They know the gig us up. What a bunch of pathetic nincompoops.
Canuknotusa @ 57:
I don't know about your principals, but I know about my principles.
oncall @ 59:
Yes - I spelled principle wrong.
My bad!
Now- how about that $7 gas compared to preserving the Alaska wildlife refuge?
Any serious comments - or is spelling your only developed virtue?
No doubt short sighted citizens will do anything to prevent $7/gallon gas. I would like to know what you think about Americans spending the equivalent amount of money in order to develop a renewable energy sources. It does not have to be one or the other. That is a principle I can support.
Canuknotusa @ 60:
ANWR drilling won't bring the price down. And there's only a few months supply up there. It's a red herring.
John McCain is not popular with his own party so I'm not surprised. If you ask a real Conservative (not a neocon) what they feel about these elections, and they'll tell you they'd rather forfeit, clean house, and regroup for 2012. They don't want a Democratic administration, but they don't want their party to be hijacked any longer by neocons, evangelicals, and so-called Mavericks.
miss_kitty @ 62:
I have to open my wallet and I want $7 gas. I'm sick of punting our problems down the road to future generations. We're paying for a war on a credit card for the first time ever, and we're selling our country for pennies to China and the Middle East because we're addicted to their cheap labor and natural resources. Whatever happened to this sleeping giant they spoke of in the 40s? What happened to the American Dream? Or did we wake up in the 70s and 80s?
oncall @ 61:
I think 'Americans' are already doing quite a bit to develop alternative energy sources. Well anyway, Canadian Americans are.
The problem is that US Americans continue to subsidize the oil industry to the tune of billions a year in tax benefits and environmental damage forgivness.
The problem is that US Americans support this, because they love their damn cars.
Canuknotusa @ 57:
Yeah, I would pay 7 bucks a gallon to keep them from drilling off the coast of Calif. And in ANWAR too. I'd rather see the money go into a newer renewable resource.. Hey, Hows that oil dig going on up there? You know, the one where it's all mixed in with sand. I forget the name of it. So, Tell me, How's the environment looking up there?
you know, just askin.
mudshark @ 66:
It's called the Oilsands, or the Athabaska Tarsands - and it was developed by US Multinational Oil companies, and we are idiots to have let it happen - especially for the low royalties we charge!
80% of the bitumen goes south to you, at a bargain basement rate. I try to hold our useless conservative government to the fire for this - but there are too many US Americans working up here and they are affecting the damn vote.
Canuknotusa @ 65:
No disagreement from me on that one point. If it were a free market, gas would cost at least $15/gallon here. We have an oil based economy and that is what we have learned to adapt to. Have you read Kevin Phillip's American Theocracy? He speaks very well to this point.
GOP Insiders Worry About McCain's Chances
higher gas prices are good for mcsame ???
gonna be a landslide like we ain't seen before
67 senate seats, and 300 house seats
watch it happen ...
Canuknotusa @ 57:
your principals might be such portable objects that you could toss them out the window
my principals are a little bit more tightly attached to my person
don't judge everybody else by your own fucked up values
freepatriot @ 71:
What fucked up values, asshole?
Canuknotusa @ 67:
OK explain something to me.
1st, As for US citizens working in Canada. They must be paying into the tax system there, correct?
2nd, US Multinational Oil companies. Surely Canada has the technology to do this on it's own, right?
3rd, explain to me how US citizens working in Canada can affect the vote?
4th, And why didn't Canadians go get those jobs? There wouldn't be a shortage of man power in that area would there?
freepatriot @ 70:
I agree. Obama and McCain are the polar opposites on the most important issues in a nation that wants change. Who ever wins will win by at least 10 points. Right now, there is nothing to say that McCain can make a move on Independents without further ticking off his Conservative base. If McCain caters to the base, then he's going to forfeit Independents by 70% or more. He's in a lose-lose situation.
time for the
G-reedy
O-ld
P-erverts
to regroup...
JAMES INHOFE / MICHAEL SAVAGE 2012
but..but...is McCain the kind of guy you'd have a beer with?
EVERYONE knows we are doomed if he pulls off the election. And after the 2000 'election' and the 2004 'reelection', they may well pull it off. I can't help but be cynical. Even the Dems have disappointed me with their win in 06.
Dough-boy warrior: the eternal optimist (where war is concerned). It's like he licks his chops at the prospect of endless warfare. So pathetic.
I thought this was the most interesting and telling quote from the show:
BK: If he can make it a choice election going forward, at a time of war, I think he has a pretty good chance to win....
Welcome to the war with Iran folks..its coming...
They don't care if McCain wins or loses. The next President is going to have to pick up the pieces from this wrecking crew. Meanwhile the oil companies and war profiteers are getting theirs while the gettin's good.
Just like any failing enterprise Bush or Cheney have been involved in, they makes sure they gets theirs and leaves the mess for someone else to clean up.
Yeah... let's run the country like a corporation...remember that
sage adviceline of horseshit?They're worried that the Dems won't pick them up if they don't shift alliance now.
Fuck what fox does.
what faint praise, that he's not an actual incumbent?
gimme a break!
oncall @ 61:
the godknowswhatthehellwehavespent amount on the Afghanistan and Iraq adventures would have bought and paid for some really cool green tech, things that would have made the US a much better place.
Imagine spending 500 billion on sorting out cold fusion so that it becomes common and cheap, so that everyday energy is not a fighting issue for the worlds population anymore.
Cheap transport, heating and cooling for everybody, clean water for the thirsty, cheap food.
Theres room on this planet for 10 or 100 billion people, just that energy is dirty and expensive, clean that up and make it unmeterable and resources are extractable and renewable/ easy recyclable.
mls @ 79:
the 2007 Hedge fund bonanza, also the november bonus payouts for Wall Street, OMFG how the money rolled in (just before it all went pear shaped)
ferrofluid (Obama 08) @ 35:
Thanks for the link to the Mrs. McCain story. It fills in a lot of gaps in the corporate media's coverage.
miss_kitty @ 62:
Amen. In addition, by the time any oil from ANWR would reach your car oil is likely to be more than $7 anyway. A big, fat, expensive and over rated red herring.
The thing is, since the arrival of the 21st century, the only way Repubs can ever win is by miscounting the votes with their machines --- like they did in 2000, 2004, 2006 and will do again in 2008. The reality is they represent the interests of a minority of Americans --- not the majority, and therefore, can never ever win in a fair election. So Foxnews may believe that McCain can't win [ just like Bush (it makes me gag to think his name) couldn't win ] --- unless the Repubs "count" the votes with their rigged voting machines, remove names from voting lists, assisted by a criminal supreme court, etc. So we will be watching all the way through November --- it will be interesting to see if America continues to be a banana republic, held in utter contempt by the rest of the world --- or whether the crooked Repub machines will be defeated.
ferrofluid (Obama 08) @ 82:
Here is an interesting statistic for you: This country spends nearly $5,000.00 every two seconds supporting the Bushco war machine. I can think of countless things we could better spend that money on. I would love to hear how McCain thinks we can spend that money. "My friends, We can buy billions of more bullets and that is what we need...trust me, I have more military experience than anybody else out here.....don't forget, I am as old as dirt, I know what I am talking about, my friends." Hell, if that old fart ever calls me my friend, I will vomit in his face.
as we go forward in this process please remember that the only slim chance repubes have of winning anything in november is to distance themselves. or appear to be, from bush and his policies. they also need to con the uninformed voters that mcsame is so far from the right that he magically appears to be a moderate maverick, you can see it now, ads praising him for his political courage of bucking the traditional repube system.
the repube organization has proven in the past to be well orchestrated and making every move for a political purpose. it is all a show to present the image of their candidate as something he has proven not to be.
"Fox might be slowly repositioning itself for the inevitable - an Obama presidency. They don’t want to become completely irrelevant."
That is it, they are aligning themselves with the winning side.
I have simple theory. I think foxnews is going to try and re-align itself over the next year or so. They are beginning to realize that the "meal ticket" of being the right wing lapdog is ending. The only chance of survival as a network is to be seen as "fair". They can no longer be as blatantly one sided as they have been in the past.
Murdoch goes where the money is, to be sure, but I still can't help feeling like Obama's coming along just in time to get Bush's big f'in' mess dumped on him. This presidency has been operated like a mafia front from the beginning. Now it's time to set the building on fire and collect the insurance. They'll be back in 4 years to blame Obama for not undoing Bush's damage.
MccRainman will never win the Republican Party's conservative base, every component member of which knows him for what he is, a slippery, sleazy and slimy and essentially unstable PTSD-drugged up former North Vietnam and USSR Military Intelligence Advisor who has never been loyal to any oath he ever swore nor yet to the Republican Party.
But, unless old age gets him first, he will, come next January, become United States President and Armed Forces Commander In Chief.
For neither these blessed United States of America's actual legal voters nor the dhimmicraps' legions of dead, felonious and -- perhaps especally so -- its millions of criminal alien invader fraudulent voters are yet ready to "elect" an un-and-anti-American mobbed-up Marxist murtadd Muslim Arab-African, B Hussein bin B Hussein bin Hussayn Osamabama -- nor put him and his grotesque "spouse" and terroristic tailcoat clingers in our beloved fraternal republic's most hallowed house.
Brian Richard Allen @ 92:
Hahaha! I love parody! You do a great impression of the unhinged.
Kristol is a vapid courtesan whose concept of legitimacy in a democracy lies in the superficial world of image and public relations. His political statements are no more interesting or noteworthy than the advertising slogan that is printed on the package of some product. However, he is the very essence of what his corporate masters want -- a glinty-eyed, groomed, glib pseudo-intellectual who can keep the teeming unwashed confused and afraid. Fuck him and his ilk.
Anybody who thinks that $4 gasoline will help John McCain and the GOP has been sucking on his own tailpipe, but I'm happy to see that Brit Hume is up to the sacrificial task. What a complete blithering jackass.
McBush McSame 100yr WAR McCain's loyalties are only to the military. If by some tragedy he gets in office we will have the greatest military our tax dollars can afford along with the erosion of most of our constitutional rights. The Patriot Act has started that process already and McWAR will only strengthen and expand it. He has already admitted that the economy just isn't his strong suit although this is the 2nd time he has ran for the presidency and he does not plan to make it so. And if the American people disagree I can hear him quoting Cheney who has summed up the Republicans' view of all their rotten antics in the last 7 years " SO". Please America NO country for this angry warmongering old man. This country needs a break from corruption
Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 42:
All baking soda, no cocaine. Jesus will still love you...
Fox News Alert @ 5:
They're too late, they're already completely irrelevant.
And has Brit Hume taken a dump in the last 10 years? He looks like he's going to explode.
Fox is only posistioning themselves market and logo wise.
With that the republican storyline weak and bleak, like McCain they can point to these brief episodes of near lucidity to argue their claim of fair and balanced.
How often have we seen radical right, always wrong, republicans vote against their record once passage of a bill is assured, if politcal factors and home favor the negative.
Let The Kabuki Begin!
The regularity with which things I report in the Sunday morning thread eventually appear on C&L with a "hat/tip (to) Heather" has me considering changing my name to Heather. :(
Anytime someone says, "we have plenty of oil in the continental US and ANWR," ask them to state just how much oil is there.
If they knew, they wouldn't tout it as the solution. If they don't, you've made your case.
The point he was making is that McCain is actually trying to do something about it (Nuclear Power). He also wants to leave it up to the states whether or not they drill off their coasts. While this will not rid us of our addiction, it will soften the blow. If McCain would allow us to drill in ANWR that would help even more. Once again, we would not be free of our Middle Eastern/South American salesman, but it would alleviate much of the pain we are in right now. All Obama wants to do is work with the auto-industry and allow them to make more fuel efficient cars and create legislature to try to lessen the dependence we have on foriegn oil right now. While that would be wonderful, that plan will take a while to implement, and a very long time to see any noticable change. Who knows what the price will be by then. If they would just combine their ideas, and add in the drilling in ANWR, we could see both short-term and long-term benefits.
One shale alone (Bakkan Oil Field) has 4.3 billion barrels of oil. I would say we could use that for a little while. However, if we really want to tap into our resources, we could go get the 25 BILLION barrels in Alaska. Also, if we really want to stretch it, we could drill 50 miles off shore, where China and Cuba are already drilling, and tap into the other billions of barrels.
Where to begin with this one...
McCain does not want a 100 year war. He said we will stay there for 100 years if that is what it takes. Kind of like how we have been in South Korea for the past 60 years, and probably will be another 20. Can you imagine what it would be like if we did not have all those bases in S. Korea right now. Who would keep N. Korea in check? Certainly not you.
The Patriot Act was passed by one man alone. You are ignorant if you think Bush just came up with that one his own and implemented it. The majority of our representatives from all over the country agreed with him and passed it on through. The P.A. will not be expanded under McCain. It has already caused a lot of grief, and if anything will be toned down a little. If you think McCain can expand it with a House and Senate controlled by democrats, you sir, are a moron.
I like the fact that McCain admits his weakness. If he tried to come out and say he was an economic genius, you would all start calling him a liar and question his credibility. The great thing about being president is that you can surround yourself with very smart people. All he has to do it get some economic geniuses (Mitt Romney) and take their advice.
I am not even going to try to explain how stupid you are for trying to tie the Cheney remark into this.
We will all agree that this country needs not only a break from corruption, but to rid ourselves of it entirely. McCain is the one who wants to get rid of all the earmarks, which I believe are the root of most corruption. Obama, likes the way things are running there and will do nothing about it.
Ah, Morgan... the inevitable trolling brainwashed freak wandered in. Flame on, human torch.
It's funny that everything seems to boil down to the price of gas. I think we need to rid ourselves of that dependency as soon as possible. There are some solutions we can all utilize today. I reccommend www.h2ofuelboost.com.
They do seem to have become more tolerant and giving of late. But rumors have Fox in a quandary since that book publisher got fired. Olbermann has been hinting that Ayles himself is not getting along with the Boss.
Phony Momentum With Gallup Polls
When the Right quotes polling information, they almost always cite Gallup polls. Gallup does not have the most accurate record when it comes to polls, so why are they being used to prove every Republican talking point?
As it stands, Gallup, CNN, USAtoday, Rasmussen, Zogby, and a few more have tried to monopolize the polling numbers by controlling the averages. They do this by releasing one poll under one name, say Gallup, and then another under Gallup/USAtoday or CNN/Gallup. I also call these polls made to order because when they are released, CNN's host use them to back any political issue they are trying to create. You have heard them use the phrase "the latest Gallup polls" says this or that.
You have to be very selective in believing any polling numbers from this "group polling" dynamic. It is conservative in creation and very consistent. In the last few days, I have heard the Right-wing media quote data that indicates Americans want to drill for more oil. They need to say where that data is coming from. I have yet to find a poll saying Americans is on the Oil company side. Show Me.
Joseph
outtheoffice @ 1:
Not if Murdoch and Tweety both get the Obama twinge up the leg.
prestochango @ 105:
Ahhh, prestochango... you can't bring ideas to the table so you just resort to name calling. Do you care to add to this conversation or just throw out a quick remark which does nothing but show your own ignorance?
Joseph, I agree with you on the polling. Every poll is going to have some sort of bias whether it is in the way they ask the question or the target group whom they are asking it to. Does anyone know a strictly independent polling company who seems to be party neutral? It certainly isn't any of the ones listed in Joseph's post.
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