McCain calls bringing troops home 'not too important'
By Steve Benen Tuesday Jun 10, 2008 12:00pmAfter over a year of campaigning, you’d think John McCain would have a sense about how to talk about the war in Iraq. His support for the president’s policy, and his deeply held desire to stay the course, is, after all, his signature campaign issue.
And yet, McCain still doesn’t get it.
To be sure, McCain has made comments like these before, most notably in response to questions about his stated willingness to keep U.S. troops in Iraq for 100 years. He frequently emphasizes his belief that as long as Americans are not being killed or seriously injured in Iraq, he doesn’t much care when we leave.
But he’s usually not this clumsy and politically tone deaf. Bringing the troops home is “not too important”? For thousands of Americans in uniform and their families, nothing is more important.
In fact, everything about McCain’s bizarre worldview is misguided. First, as recently as Monday, McCain reiterated his support for an indefinite war in Iraq. Coupled with this morning’s remarks, McCain believes the U.S. presence in Iraq has no end in sight, and bringing the troops home is “not too important.”
Second, his repeated comparisons to Germany, Japan, and Korea are not just foolish, they’re bordering on absurd. The more McCain makes the argument, the dumber it sounds. (Indeed, McCain himself has said his own comparison doesn’t apply well to Iraq.)
And third, there’s the pesky detail of the growing number of Iraqi officials who used to support a long-term U.S. security presence, but who are now ready to see Americans leave.
Officials in Prime Minister Nouri Maliki’s ruling coalition are questioning whether Iraq needs a U.S. military presence even as the two countries press forward with high-pressure negotiations to determine how long American forces will remain. […]
A Western official who works closely with the Iraqi government said the wave of offensives had encouraged Maliki’s advisors to dismiss U.S. demands as not worth the price.
“When faced with the question, ‘Do we need the Americans?’ they are inclined to say, ‘No, what do we need them for? We can do just fine,’ ” said the official, who was not authorized to speak to reporters.
Haider al-Abadi, a parliament member from Maliki’s Dawa party, told the WaPo, “Maybe the Iraqi government will say: ‘Hey, the security situation is better. We don’t need any more troops in Iraq.’”
And yet, there’s John McCain, absolutely convinced that the withdrawal of U.S. troops is “not too important.”
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid issued a statement shortly after this morning’s interview: “McCain’s statement today that withdrawing troops doesn’t matter is a crystal clear indicator that he just doesn’t get the grave national-security consequences of staying the course – Osama bin Laden is freely plotting attacks, our efforts in Afghanistan are undermanned, and our military readiness has been dangerously diminished. We need a smart change in strategy to make America more secure, not a commitment to indefinitely keep our troops in an intractable civil war.”
Expect other Dems to weigh in with similar criticism throughout the day. For that matter, expect to hear more about McCain’s latest comments for the next five months.
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McGrampa will recant his statement and blame the MSM for taking him out of context (Tm) in 5....4....3....2....1....
his job is defined by his ability to maintain high defense spending. his masters require war for maximum profitability.
halliburton, GE, and carlyle group profit margins are on the line here.
if thousands more working class kids and iraqi families get ground up in the process...oh well.
i wish you guys would get your priorities straight!!!
he should follow up this comment by agreeing with Bush that finding Osama bin Laden just isn't that big a deal.
McSame, please continue to stick your foot in your big mouth. At this rate the November election will be such a rout, the Repugs won't see the daylight for the next sixteen years. I love it!
Would a prez mccain entice the troops into his car with a promise they're going to an ice-cream store
And then abandon them on the side of the road in a forlorn field?
marko @ 2:
Exactly. Bodies for bucks.
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Translated: "They can stay there till hell freezes over as long as they don't get hurt. If they get hurt, I am in trouble politically and they'll come crying for adequate medical care and (God forbid) disability benefits."
This guy is unreal.
McCain needs the troops and new bases in Iraq to stage the upcoming Iran war. If the troops come home, they will just be shipped back to fight the next war. I wonder how many new inductees he can get then?
McCain is toast.
Who do you think raised his campaign from the dead last year?
John W. McCain is in deep, most likely to some damn shady donors, not including his (2nd) wife.
Under scrutiny, his campaign has no legs. He's become a vessel to carry parasites that are the neocons.
they have no intentions of leaving and they never did to me that was obvious this is a quick read check it out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/revealed-secret-plan...
It really bothers me that Obama is only tied with McCain in the polls.
What's happening here?
HA! Right, the corporate media are going to report this!?
In Bushspeak, "sacrificing" means the same as "supporting."
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/39179-mccain-s-youtube-problem-just-became...
Chris Gamble @ 12:
early and hillary just got out.....also right wing talking heads working very hard to smear obama and they just got started........it's going to get very dirty
How many American troops in Japan and Germany today face snipers, IEDs, grenade launchers, rockets, and other active military action?
Likening soldiers in Japan and Germany to soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan is ridiculous.
See what happens when he's let out without
his self-appointed-vice-presidential pickhandlerSenator Joe Lieberman? I think Joe should resign his Senate seat so that he can follow Grampy McSame around and tell the press "what John meant to say was..."Matt Liar is a joke....like he really gives a shit.
Didn't he say two weeks ago that the war would be won and troops could start coming home by 2013....or the end of his first term?
You can run a 5 minute commercial with John McCain debating himself. This guy is on ALL sides of every issue depending on the day of the week.
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&It...
check it out
Check this out, from a German Newspaper group.
Die Welt, German
Poll: What is Your Opinion
of George W. Bush? WHAT IS YOUR
Translated By Ron Argentati
June 9th, 2009
German - Die Welt - Original Article (German)
Ongoing Poll
WHAT IS YOUR OPINION OF GEORGE W. BUSH?
He’s dangerous and not especially smart -------- 68%
He made mistakes, but also achieved notable successes ------- 30%
He’s an outstanding president ------- 1%
CLICK HERE FOR ORIGINAL VERSION
Now they should do one on what they think of the two choices coming up
I'm sure (according to the feel I get over here) it would be Obama is favored.
I'm glad C&L is monitoring the idiocy of McCain. But with the sheer volumes of stupidity, you almost have to create a new website solely for this purpose so we can keep a close eye on this administrations last minute maneuvers.
Chris Gamble @ 13:
The polls I've seen after Clinton's concession speech show Obama pulling away.
This quote needs to play every goddamned day until the election. ANYONE in the military that votes for this buffoon is, well, insane.
Mark @ 18:
Not to mention that US troops were largely welcomed by the general populace in Germany and Japan. American troops are not welcomed in the Middle East. They are considered "an insult". So be it....why would anyone go where they are not wanted or welcomed?
Why the hell should Obama be in a hurry to debate McDead from the neck up? This "contest" will become sad as time progresses. From his own crusty old mouth, McDumb fuck helps progressives. Maybe he is a maverick after all.
fiver @ 25:
Don't worry, Faux will go out of their way to manufacturer another non-story at an attempt to bring down Obama's poll numbers.
Mister Anderson @ 21:
If anyone knows how to photoshop, it sure would be hilarious to see a split screen of McCain saying one thing, and coming back with another. Great idea!
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&It...
It's so painfully obvious who'll vote for McSame (sponsored by GE, AT&T, Halliburton, and Blackwater) and why: The sloped-foreheaded, mouth-breathing Appalachian/Southern Ohio/Kentucky-Tennessee trailer trash crowd & flat-earth, Intelligent Design bible-thumpers, who just don't like the "Brown" people; and the bloodlusting, war profiteering scum.
If you're not in that crowd and still vote for McSame, then car keys are too sharp of an object to be in your possession.
Don't know who said it above, but they are right ... McCain could debate himself. He disagrees with himself every other day.
Dr. (terrorist fit jab) Matt @ 29:
Perhaps, but can they keep up with McCain shooting himself in the foot almost daily. :)
Chris Gamble @ 13:
Polls schmolls!!!! Don't believe that BS!
Not too important to whom???
He should take another one of his vaunted photo-op tours of the Green Zone in Baghdad and ask the folks there if they think it's important. I suspect that they would have different answer.
This is just another plank in McCain's starkly negative platform. Can our soldiers come home soon? NOPE!
Get your John McCain - NOPE t-shirts & stickers to spread the word that should be most closely associated with his candidacy.
Well Senator McCain, if we didn't have troops in Iraq, there wouldn't be casualties. But we do have them there and they are getting injured and killed, so what are you gonna do about that?
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 35:
The polls are done on Land-Lines, most of the young voters don't have Land-Lines, just Cell phones and they can't be polled.
How do you even spin that? I can't wait to see what his mistress, Joe Lieberman, has to say about this
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai @ 38:
Exactly! How ya doin good sir?
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai @ 23:
George Bush is there, voting for himself again.
It's almost like he was talked out of running for president by his wife, but after it was too late.
So he said 'No worries, honey... watch this... I'll get us out of this...'
Austin @ 39:
LOL Lieberman is a JAP (jewish american princess)?
This is good. Let him keep saying stupid things.
Austin,
Love that mistress joke.
Dr. (terrorist fit jab) Matt @ 1:
Actually, he'll claim he looked inside his heart and will flip his position....then the MSM will fall all over themselves writing about McSame's honesty and maverick-ness.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 40:
Fine, doing fine ... Getting ready for bed and another good sleep on a rainy night.
Three people in the race for the white house. There's Senator Obama, Senator McCain today and Senator McCain tomorrow.
Pawn @ 30 -
I've been trying to write the Obama campaign for a month that they should just buy national TV time with a series of commercials with "Maverick McCain" debating "Republican Nominee McCain" on the most important issues. It'd be like the VOTE MILLER commercials when that guy was debating the Budweiser horse.
Dr. (terrorist fit jab) Matt
you have me in stitches with the 'terrorist fist jab'.....
Mister Anderson @ 48:
THAT would make a great AD. Send that in to them or maybe the DNC.
Pawn @ 24 says:
I’m glad C&L is monitoring the idiocy of McCain. But with the sheer volumes of stupidity, you almost have to create a new website solely for this purpose so we can keep a close eye on this administrations last minute maneuvers.
Check out www.exposeobama.com - is there something silimar for McCain (except truthful) or do we just depend on C&L etc?
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai @ 46:
I hear ya. We're still waitin for some real rain here in south florida...it's SUPPOSED to be rainy season....PAH!
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai @ 50:
I agree! That would be friggin awesome!
I am reading Vincent Bugliosi's The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, and he makes the case that American soldiers are dying for bush, cheeeeeeney, and rove...nothing more.
It's painful to read that some family survivors still think their loved ones were slaughtered "for freedom", and that they fought them there so that they wouldn't have to fight them here.
Those same people will vote for McSame so that somebody else's kid can die "for freedom".
Words cannot adequately express how monstrous and evil are these neo-cons. They will stoop to anything, including using this shell of a man, this paper "war hero", to prove their opportunistic patriotism.
It sounds like he plans to be the next 'Decider'.
I guess it's not too important for McCain to get elected either.
Whether or not he meant it wasn't important as to whether he had an estimate of when the troops can come home is not the point.
What's alarming is he doesn't foresee the harm making such statements would cause to his campaign. Do we want this guy conducting foreign affairs?
Samson- @ 49:
Gracias. Glad you enjoyed it. :)
You read it first here: Alzheimer's.
"American presence isn't the problem"
REALLY, Mr McCain, so you're happy to have US bases indefinitely in Iraq ? .... hmmm what happened last time the US decided to leave military bases on holy land ? oh yeh this
ass-matt liar with this shithead.
it's a real test for the limits of toleration.
Good night all you good progressive peeps.
Make noise, write letters, Blog, put out signs, get the pigs out of our government.
BB
Uh, excuse me, Senator? The troops in South Korea or Germany are allowed to, you know, COME HOME after their enlistment is up. Not so in Iraq or Afghanistan, you stupid prick! If the Democrats don't seize on this sound bite and feature it in every goddamn campaign ad between now and November, well, they don't deserve to win.
McCain's comments not only bring down military morale but also pose a strategic problem as well. Given that the U.S. military ground forces are stretched to the limits, any additional occupation of Iraq will further reduce their capabilities to respond elsewhere if needed. Then, his comparing the current occupation of Iraq to the long term occupations of Germany and Japan has that all to familiar colonial smell to it. To the world, McCain sounds more like an Emperor or King of old than he does a modern President.
Kilgore Trout @ 59:
That's not true, I've read that many times before. I'm just not sure where...
pissed off patricia @ 47:
It's really amazing that McGrampa is allowed to so easily flip-flop on just about every statement and issue without the librul MSM even blinking a eye.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 52:
I hear that!! Two days of thunder all around and not one drop here.
McSenile can't keep track of what he says from one day to the next.
You gotta be really stupid to vote for someone whose memory is gone.
8/07: McCain said South Korea was a good model for Iraq
11/07: McCain changed mind and said South Korea not a good model for Iraq
6/08: South Korea is a good model for Iraq
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/28/mccain-korea-withdrawal/
Is this even being broadcast on MSM? I just got home shopping, and I haven't heard a peep! I guess Big media will do anything to help elect Saint Mccain.
Before I leave, I thought I should give you something VERY interesting to read from the perspective of the people of the UAE.
Dawn of a new era in America
By Abdullah Alshayji, Special to Gulf News
Published: June 08, 2008, 23:39
With that, I leave you all to ponder.
Whats important is bringing the beer home ...
I don't think he'll backtrack on this one. I think he really believes that having a huge occupying force there is OK as long as fewer are being killed.
Pawn @ 24:
That's a sad truth.
I believe the sheer volume of scandals/problems plaguing the bush admin. is EXACTLY what allowed them to escape any kind of accountability.
After a while people tune out because they 1) don't know where to even *start* & 2) they don't have time to fully investigate something before some new matter needs investigating.
And the pathetic media has proven they have no interest in truth OR justice OR even in NEWS... they're only worried about the ratings game & their own profits.
After a while people will start believing McCain is some kind of victim of the 'left'.... just like they tell themselves poor bush was.
You have to remember what the plan is. Reread the docs at Project for a New American Centruy (PNAC) at www.newamericancentury.org
OMFG... the site is down and looks like its down for good... When did that happen? I have been sending people there for years. I have to find a mirrored archive link so you can read their plans for Iraq right at the source.
1) To understand the "Iraq war" it is vital that you understand that it's all about bases and hegemony. The Turks don't want us using Incerlik Air Force Base or their boarder to invade and subjugate their neighbors any more now that the cold war is over, so we must have a base of operations. That is the main justification for the continued occupation of Iraq according to the pnac docs. Continuing our occupation of Iraw IS like basing huge forces in Germany during the cold war and its totally justified if your on the side of "American Empire" and interventionism and the Bush doctrine of "preemptive invasion". Iraq's military was in terrible shape after 20 years of war, sanctions, nofly zones and embargoes of parts and such. This made the neocons think that we could just waltz in and take the place over forever with very little resistance or resources and that would give us a friendly client state government and the bases we need to have further adventures in the region.
2) The big future event is the fall of the house of Saud. When most of the PNAC plans for invading Iraq were being put together in the late 1990's the Saudi ruling family looked much weaker and vulnerable than they do now. But some day the people of Saudi Arabia are going to rise up and take back their country from these monarchs and "we have to be prepared to manage that inevitability" say the docs from pnac. It isn't until later (2002-2005) that the people writing the pnac docs start fantasizing and planing for operations in Iran (or Syria).
3) So today, the bush admin is stalling so that all the investment in the bases and our quarter million man presence (half mercenaries) in the region can be continued. McCain is the one hope the neocons have of maintaining the occupation, hegemony and forces in the region to be available for future operations in the region.
So, from that perspective, withdrawal of the troops is completely "unimportant". What McCain is hoping is that we can control and subvert the violence in Iraq so that the continued occupation and building of bases can continue without too much opposition from the American people. His hope is that we will be ready to invade the Saudis or someone else when the time comes. He has drunk the cool-aid and plans to continue to station troops in Iraq for 100 years so that we can continue to dominate the region and so that we have bases from which to threaten any government that doesn't do what we want them to do.
Oil, Terrorism, democracy, wmd's, and all the other publicly stated reasons for invading and occupying iraq were just a pretext and justification while the real reason we are there and spending all that money and blood is to have bases from which we can use to control the region and "protect our interests".
"I really dont agree with what the majority of Americans think."
-McSame-
howzacome mccain's smile is so effin' menacing?
the man has a complete inability to come across as warm and genuine, the only time he appears to be genuinely happy is when he jokes about launching more wars of choice.
fastfeat @ 67
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 52:
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai @ 46:
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 40:
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai @ 38:
Exactly! How ya doin good sir?
Fine, doing fine … Getting ready for bed and another good sleep on a rainy night.
I hear ya. We’re still waitin for some real rain here in south florida…it’s SUPPOSED to be rainy season….PAH!
I hear that!! Two days of thunder all around and not one drop here.
>> We had a pretty good soaking in downtown Ft Lauderdale about an hour ago.
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai @ 71:
That is very good news my friend! Very encouraging indeed!!
Bush Threatens the Lives of Our GIs, While Continuing to Fund Blackwater and Other Mercenary Corporations
Submitted by meg on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 2:48pm. Alerts
A BUZZFLASH NEWS ALERT
by Meg White
Brandon Friedman didn't listen to President George W. Bush's weekly radio address last weekend, but after receiving a "do you believe what this guy is saying?" e-mail, he sat down with the transcript.
"The first time I read it, I thought, 'This is what bank robbers do. This is what carjackers do,'" he said in a telephone interview Tuesday. "It's very unbecoming of the commander-in-chief."
Friedman is the vice chairman of VoteVets.org, a group dedicated to getting veterans elected, as well as the editor of VetVoice.com, an online network for veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Having served in both wars, Friedman was shocked by what he considered thinly veiled threats voiced by Bush in his radio address Saturday.
Bush called on Congress to pass a military appropriations bill without amendments, several of which have been tacked on to the bill by Democratic congressmen. The amendments range from a new G.I. bill to a timetable for ending the war. Friedman said Bush, in urging Congress to act, threatened harm and reduced pay for troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. From Bush's Saturday radio address:
www.newamericancentury.org...account has been suspended???
#75, very interesting.
*sing song voice* La-dee-da, everything thing is great. Facts on the ground. La-dee-da, surge is working.....
For the Senator from Arizona. If president he would keep American forces in Iraq indefinately as long as our troops aren't getting killed.
Well Senator McCain, it is a long road of improvised roadside bombs and religious strife. HOW DO YOU GET THE PEACE IN IRAQ THAT OUR TROOPS AREN'T GETTING KILLED?
As a so called Reaganite, he surely must understand what Reagan learned from deploying troops in Lebennon?
McCain never says what the purpose of having our troops deployed forever in Iraq is to accomplish.
McCain doesn't have any regard for Iraqi's that are killed in the hundreds by the month.
McCain has not spoke to the hunting down Al Qaeda. PS, their not in Iraq.
How does McCain pay for this occupation to continue? (Taxes, borrow, or perhaps donations?)
Investing American tax dollars in America seems foriegn to Senator McCain. His plan seems to continue borrow and tax to fund the occupation and support these no bid contractors that do not even reside in America as a corporation.
He doesn't even address how or what our forces are going to bring Bush's democracy to the Iraqi people if he had his way by keeping our troops in Iraq for 50 to 100 years?
Not to mention the drain on Americas resources to hunt the 9/11 culprit.
How does Iraq now make America more secure?
As President Bush back-peddling once said, " the world is better off without the bad Saddam dictator". The world? What of our national security and its 9/11 implications by Al Qaeda?
Dr. Acula @ 78:
It rained like hell for about 20 minutes, in one neighborhood...of course it was the neighborhood where the boat was that I was working on...and 20 minutes after that...it was like it never rained...except that the no-see-ums came out in force!
Lollimom @ 81:
That is interesting...and distrubing...what are they up to I wonder?
Good thing the oldamericancentury.org is still kickin names and takin ass!
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 85:
It could be that the site was hacked. I certainly hope so...revenge is sweet.
Well at least he didn't lie.To the Hillary people who are going to vote for this man. Think.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 85:
Old news folks
At least they can't hide from the WayBack Machine
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 84:
Only good thing here is that the thunder covers the noise of the sprinklers I've got to run. No no-see-ums here, just 'skeeters.
that hack Lauer also deserves to get lambasted - he just let it go after McCain said it...
It is a horrible reflection on Democracy as a political institution that a blithering idiot like McCain even could be nominated for president. America has become a cesspool---the REALLY big chunks rise to the top.
So the troop's families are gonna vote for you
Why?
You're not important to them.
Dr. (terrorist fit jab) Matt @ 88:
Thanks. I had not heard about this. It was the neo-con bible...I wonder what happened?
Has anybody informed McSame?...
88 Dr. (terrorist fit jab) Matt
Fee Wayback?
That's IT ! I've had it with the grotesqueries employed by politicians on the backs of honest, hard working military men and women. You don't want to address the don't ask, don't tell policy, you ignore the rapes that women have to face in the service, and now you clumsily want to keep them there if none of them are going to get hurt (are you kidding me ?!#$%@) - LET ME MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR BASED ON THE FACTS AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE - BRIAN WILLIAMS IS A STOOGE OF CORPORATE FAVORS AND DOESN'T DESERVE TO CONTINUE BEING CALLED A JOURNALIST - McCain the war hero - a legend in his own right. McCain the politician (reference what Goldwater thought and said about him) - a scoundrel like Bush. Period.
Thanks.
Cheers,
k
ysbaddaden @ 94:
Nope. It's free.
Jusker @ 3:
Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html
I know it's FOX, but why would they report this if it wasn't true? It certainly does not help their agenda.
in hindsight, bringing maverick home probably wasn't worthwhile, either...
What would George Thourogood's "Bad to the Bone," sound like if it were sung by Elmer Fudd?
Desperate and outrageous people will say desperate and outrageous things. If there is a group that can be described as desperate and outrageous it would be the Republican Party. This statement by McCain is a perfect example of how much of a clone of George Bush he is. It sounds exactly like something the WarPig would say. I was listening to some talking head yesterday on the boob-tube say how the war(occupation) of Iraq is McCain's strong point in his campaign. Now that is another desperate and outrageous thing to say. How can a war(occupation) that is largely unpopular with The People be a strong point in a presidential campaign when the candidate wants to continue the war(occupation) for ten or a hundred years? Yes, the GOP, who is largely responsible for destroying our country's reputation and credibility knows that they themselves also no longer have any credibility and a reputation that can now only be found in the bottom of a sewer. Die hard Republicans are changing their voter registration to Independent. I don't think they have an ice-cubes chance in hell of getting one of their guys into the White House for a long time to come. They will probably lose more seats in both the House and the Senate also.
Lollimom @ 54:
" he makes the case that American soldiers are dying for Bush, Cheney, and Rove ...nothing more." I would also add that they are getting blown up and brain damaged and severely burned and blinded and paralyzed and missing their limbs and suffering from PTSD for oil and the lies that they, as I was in Vietnam, were told to by their uncaring government. It is for these reasons that those in the American military should be deserting from their ranks in droves. There is absolutely no reason for them to allow themselves to be used as cannon fodder by this administration. As the UCMJ states, they are no obligation to obey unlawful orders. As the title of former Green Beret Donald Duncan's book, which came out in the 1960s accurately stated, "It Was All A Lie"!.
To be fair, McCain's son was/is at war in Iraq and so I think that its a little fair to paint him as totally callous to people's families in the BushCo mold. That being said, I disagree with most of his policies and think that he really doesn't have an understanding of Iraq. If I was gonna go further, I'd say that his son really only joined the Marines as he failed out of school and had few options left (I'm a veteran btw), but all in all, its unfair to paint him as only affected by the war in a peripheral or cursory way.
simply
mccain is a fucking asshole.....
Chris Gamble @ 13:
A stolen election, what the hell do you think? You think they didn't spend 50 yrs to get to this point for nothing did you? There will NOT be a fair election unless we march on DC. We live in a dictatorship. PERIOD. Full stop
I agree that casualties matter in Iraq. I also agree that the casualties caused by a fire in a burning house matter as well.
According to McCain’s logic, you do not need to remove someone from a burning house, you just need to figure out a way for them to not be burned by the fire there. He never takes the logical next step and tells us how he has planned for troops to stay in the burning house (Iraq) and not receive any serious injuries.
McCain makes the case that we have troops in South Korea, Germany, and Japan, and that it hasn’t been a problem. The point Senator McCain is missing is that the South Korean and Japanese “houses” are not on fire, as is Iraq, so it is not appropriate to compare other countries that are peaceful and stable, such as Germany, Japan, and South Korea to Iraq.
I think that any reasonable person, seeing someone in danger inside a burning building, would seek to help that person get out of the dangerous fire. Only an insensitive individual would say that the fire and injuries it caused are not important, and that sometime in the unforeseen future, that fire will die out.
The families of the 10 soldiers who have died this month, as well as the 4,094 other troops who died in Iraq, deserve an apology from Senator McCain. It appears that he has completely abandoned the active soldiers and veterans he claims to honor so much.
Is ANYONE surprised at ANY statement Grampy makes?
Up IS down, folks.
Obama is an "elitist".....and I wonder if Grampy's old lady is still using HER jet to fly him around from senior moment to senior moment.
Geez......
http://therealnews.com/t/index.....mival=1656
McCain actually WORSE than Bush. At least the Bush administration pretended they had no intention of establishing permanent bases in Iraq. This video clip is an Al Qaeda recruitment video. We've got to stop this guy!
if mccain was in front of the polling booth and said 'dont vote for me' as his supporters walked in, their inner jonestown mentality would keep them from voting for him. they only remember the last thing he said. so as long as he keeps that monotone drivel on drip feed, he'll be ok in nov.
I wonder how many of those unimportant troops to mccain
Are going to vote absentee ballott for mccain
Because he's for the troops?
I wonder how McShame would have felt if someone at the time said, 'it isn't important when we free McCain from the Viet Cong cell he is in.' My guess is that McShame would have been singing a very different tune then. Of course, we can attribute his forgetting that to his age. The more I see and hear the more convinced this person is that McShame will never be ready for prime time no matter who props him up.
It is incomprehensible to me how anyone who has ever served in uniform can vote Republican.
Dr. (terrorist fit jab) Matt @ 27:
Ahhh ....what?
American troops were not welcomed by the Japanese or the Germans. When the German's were defeated in WWII they had no choice but to accept U.S. bases in their coutnry.
What are you smoking, man?
Besides, since when is occupying someone's land and destroying their country is considered an insult?
I swear you sound like some rethuglican drone. Would you welcome the occupation of the United States by a foreign army? Do you live on the f*** moon? "Insult" my ass.
You sound extremely misinformed and that's being too generous.
Of course Sen. McCain doesn't care about bringing them home.
1) the troops, by and large, aren't going to vote for him.
2) if they aren't in CONUS, their votes won't be counted anyway.
Sen. McCain cares about one thing, that is getting the presidency he feels he is entitled to.
I wonder if we'll all still be "his friends" when he loses big time.
Translation: As long as not too many US troops are being killed, his friends in the military-industrial complex can continue to get rich b*tt-f**king the taxpayers that will pay the interest on our off-the-budget war.
fiver @ 25:
karl @ 17:
Chris Gamble @ 13:
karl @ 17:
Chris Gamble@13- As of 20 mins. ago Obama is at 46% to McCrazy's 41% and the closer election day gets the farther ahead Obama will be from McCrazy! Barack hasn't even started in on McLame yet.When he does it ain't gonna be pretty for McBush, so rest easy!
I'm really getting to hate Matt Lauer. He'll do anything to keep his place at the trough.
McSame is re-framing the issue, Republican style. For non-thinkers, it might make sense.
When I listen to McSame, I don't think he believes all that he says. He's saying what he's told to say by his spin machine. It's all so rehearsed.
Gaahhh this man is so horrendous! It's like having curdled biscuit dough running for president.
Yeah, let's not talk about the Republicans' plans to keep us in Iraq indefinately. It's just about casualties.
If Johnny Serviceman is on his 16th tour over there who cares right?
So what if we bankrupt ourselves trying to save face in that country grasping at a "victory" that was never there to begin with.
I'm sure the American people won't mind losing 2 dozen or so people every month for the next 100 years right John?
All those lies and deception to start a unplanned war
laws broken
expansion of powers
lost freedoms and basic rights
defiling our nation in torture
tens of thousands of innocent dead
our troops performing unprecedented numbers of tours of duty
millions of displaced refugees
destabilization of the mideast
a trillion or more added to the national debt
wrecking our economy from insane fuel prices a direct result of the war
elevated food prices, a result of the devalued dollar
a war paid for by debt alone putting the final nail in devaluing our dollar
and on and on
...but it's not that important, all that matters is we're making progress
There is no profanity or punishment strong enough to adequately frame the hurt Bush and his axis of evil administration has wrongly wrought on this nation.
I'll NEVER vote for McCain...and yes, he has mis-spoke quite a few times lately on separate occasions, and separate topics. And at first listen/watch, it sure does sound like he minimizes the actual "withdrawl" of the troops.
But when he said, "that's not important", he was referring to HIS THOUGHTS on a drawdown. As in, "It's not important what I think about blah-blah-blah" What's important is the actual conditions on the ground.
Jus sayin...
Obama 08
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