FOX Admits McCain Stacked "Town Hall" With Supporters
By Nicole Belle Thursday Jun 12, 2008 8:45amWow, he really is McSame, isn't he?
Tonight was the first in a much-hyped series of 'town hall' forums scheduled by John McCain's campaign, in which Barack Obama had been challenged to show up to discuss the issues directly with the GOP nominee.
Except, as Fox News reported, McCain's campaign misled the public about the nature of the event. The forum was "billed by the McCain campaign as a town hall with independent and Democratic voters," but Fox News noted at the end that the audience was actually "made up of invited guests and supporters," the Democratic National Committee said in a statement.
Shepard Smith 'fesses up:
I reported at the top of this hour that the campaign had told us at Fox News that the audience would be made up of Republicans, Democrats, and independents. We have now received a clarification from the campaign and I feel I should pass it along to you. The McCain campaign distributed tickets to supporters, Mayor Bloomberg, who of course is a registered Republican, and other independent groups.
Uh huh. And this is EXACTLY the reason why Barack Obama should politely refuse to do any Town Hall with McCain on Fox. Next, McSame will be demanding loyalty oaths. DNC Head Howard Dean had something to say about it too:
Once again John McCain's campaign is trying to mislead the American people. Senator McCain should understand that after seven years of a President who has divided Americans and pursued a scorched earth policy full of misleading propaganda campaigns, we need a leader who understands he is the President for all Americans not just his supporters. If Senator McCain likes to brag so much about running a transparent campaign, why is he copying the Bush campaign model by stacking this event with his prescreened supporters? If that is John McCain's idea of straight talk, the American people are in for a long and disappointing campaign season.
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What was wrong with the forums run by the League of Women Voters?
Oh, right, they couldn't be manipulated for partisan ends...
FOIST!
Ah dangit! No foist for me...
McBain is such pathetic douchebag.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 3:
Can't type AGAIN today...need more coffee!
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 4:
Ok...I give up...goin home.
It sounds like a round about way of saying no Democrats. Didn't Bush do the same thing? So, I think I will call McCain. "George John. McSame."
Joseph
You'll LOVE this article: (from RIA Novosti :: Moscow
Bush expects warm welcome on his farewell trip to Europe
Here's a short clip from it.
But no one in Europe expected "anything extraordinary." The Old World understood that the president is merely going to say goodbye, because he has no time to do anything about the mess he has created in U.S.-European relations.
As one European diplomat put it, partings are the best times, only state-sponsored funerals (God forbid) or inaugurations are better. You can indulge in hypocrisy as much as you want at such events, because this is exactly what is expected. This statement is cynical but true.
I'm shocked that Sen. Keating would do this....
nuthin like stackin the deck.
I'd say they were Slime ooozzing out of your TV set.
Have a great day folks. It's the 13th. what could possibly go wrong today? It's Friday!
This morning on Fox, Chris Wallace had trouble defending this joke of a town hall meeting last night. He said Sen. Obama and McCain should have the town hall meetings and the audience should be pre-screened so no "ringers" could get in and ask questions.
I mean, what the hell? McCain made himself look so awful by doing what he did last night. Did his campaign not realize that what they were doing would be found out? Didn't they see the danger of it looking exactly like what bush has been doing for years? I don't know who is running McCain's campaign but it seems they are working against his getting elected rather than for it.
I tell ya, Shepard Smith is too honest to work for Fox. There are times when he just can't carry the station's water for them. The first time I saw it was in the aftermath of Katrina.
This guy is brain-dead. How else to explain the spectacular incompetence of his "campaign"?
Can Faux News be anymore partisan? Any Democrat who agrees to go on this station is nuts! My God, Faux News is a joke! Between the male hosts who are older than God, to the Barbie Dolls with the fake blonde hair, I think I have stepped over to Wonderland!
Plan 9 @ 11:
attack of the killer tomato
pissed off patricia @ 10:
Maybe that's why their ratings are starting to dip.
Bloomberg is NOT a REPUG..He is an INDEPENDENT.. They can't even get that right.. Although I am surprised they busted McSame out.
Faux News still have no street creds with me!!
Yes, this also is just like Bush used to do it: stack the deck in his favor by populating the place with his followers. Yeah, that's 'fair and balanced'. Not. More like 'unfair and unhinged'.
Have we actually found a man who is more clueless than bush? Looks like it. So what happens to him? He is nominated to run on the republican ticket as the next president.
This sounds like the storyline of a comical movie. I wish that was all that it was. But nope, this is dead serious.
Funny how there were no minorities in the "Town Hall." And, did anyone see McCain not shake the hand of the guy in the yarmulke?
Speaking of Katrina, have you noticed that MSM is treating the flooding in Iowa as a non-issue? Thousands displaced, cities under water and where is the National Guard? In Iraq or Afghanistan of course. WTF?
I think maybe FOX is seeing the change of tide, looking at the fact that the Republicans will be, for the most part, out of office next year and are trying to save their floundering "newsgroup" (I use that word loosely here). After all, what will FOX look like if the Party of the Progressives takes over and they have been bashing them for eight years.
pissed off patricia @ 17:
Like that movie "Being There"?
I would have hated to be that flunkey that was in charge of finding 'supporters' for that event... are there even that many rocks to overturn? Did they have to give away door prizes? Like the "sit through this and we'll give you a free vacation" ploy?
This thing last night alone should be reason enough for Sen Obama to refuse to do any of these buddy-buddy town hall meetings with McCain.
Which would certainly explain why the first question of this "town hall" was:
"Senator McCain, your campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?''
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai @ 21:
More like the movie Groundhog Day.
Also from Fox (the intentionally funny division):
Lisa Simpson to Montgomery Burns at a staged campaign event at the Simpson household:
"Mr. Burns: your campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?''
lol
For all of the talk of McCain being this tough guy maverick, this just illustrates what a lightweight wuss he and his party have become.
pissed off patricia @ 25:
Deja Vu all over again
cmhmd @ 26:
HA HA ... with Joe Lieberman as Smithers. How apropos.
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai @ 28:
by the way, are you a UNIX programer? (noticing your name)
MSM is still talking about the terrorist fist jab! WTF? I need a drink!
The despicable propaganda machine that is Fox and Friends still spent the morning framing this as if Obama somehow failed to show up for a scheduled debate. I can't stop watching that show. It really energizes me in the morning. Every time I see it I think of something I once read about Latin American politics. The quote was something along the lines of "I abhor the excesses of the left so much more than the excesses of the right, because when the left betrays its principles it betrays so much more than the right." That's how I feel about Fox and Friends. I know when I watch Hannity, O'Reilly, et al that I am watching rabid right wing shills. But when you watch a morning breakfast show, well....
P.D. @ 19:
I had noticed the same. CNN is covering it pretty heavily when they're not talking about the boy scout camp, but not a word is mentioned about any aid coming to these people.
It seems like FEMA should be bustin' in any time now ready to save the day... no... wait. Never mind. But maybe when they do finally get there they'll find a use for all of those donated goods they just 'found' undistributed in a couple of warehouses. Still left over from Katrina.
What If
Can you think of what the media would do if Barack Obama did the same? We would hear about it until the end of the election. There is a double standard in the media. Did you notice Obama's Vetting problem caught another news cycle while McSame's story about bringing the troops home did not.
Don't think the right-wing media does not follow what is on this site. How else did they know how to split the Democratic Party during their weakest moment. The Republicans scored many points by attacking the Democrats when they were being critical of each other. I hope they know there is power in the truth. This power may come from C&L as a result of considerable amount of data we comment on. I look forward to being a thorn in their side.
Joseph
Gretchen @ 32:
They did have a special segment on earlier about the stuff that never was given to the people in LOLA who needed it, but ended up being given away to other states as surplus gear. (clothing, sporting gear, tents etc.) the question was why didn't FEMA make sure the people who needed it, get it.
I just got here but i have some serious questions. What is an hour of advertising worth on television? Did Fox violate the campaign finance laws? Should fox be fined or should someone be put in jail for violating the spirit if not the letter of the law? There are limits to how much any individual of corporatation can contribute to a candidate and this clearly exceeds that limit. John McCain is also guilty and his campaign should be fined at least the amount it would have cost him to pay for this air time and further fined for violating the law.
*face palm*
No shit...
In light of this, I say Obama tells McCorpse to go pound sand regarding the rest of these "town hall meetings." What a fucking joke.
I meant NOLA, not LOLA
I have to ask this, even if I risk looking incredably stupid but what does MSM stand for?
Barbara Key @ 38:
Main Stream Media
Geez Gretchen, your right. CNN is talking about the 'Miracle' with the BoyScouts. But look at the bigger picture. This disaster is going to cost billions, and it is not registering with MSM. Christ! These people are going to be homeless, and we are getting the news from people who are so indifferent. Sigh!
Mainstream Media, but i call it corporate media.
Barbara Key @ 38:
You don't look or sound one bit stupid. You look smart for asking about something you didn't know. Not a thing in the world wrong with that.
This was an in-kind donation of ad time and support staff and resources. Clearly in collusion between McSame and Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch. The FEC should investigate and fine them all into oblivion.
Yhe only stupid questions are the ones you do not ask and the ones they ask McCain.
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai @ 34:
Mind-numbing incompetence, obviously.
I used to work in rescue (in the mountains of the SW) so I'm familiar with this stuff, at least somewhat. When Katrina was winding up in the gulf I was getting really worried - no one was gearing up in the 'safe zone' on the fringes, waiting to rush in as soon as it was possible. Everyone just sat around and watched it on their TV. Made me sick.
Remember Katrina? The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer treated the response with the same attitude as someone giving you the stock report, only Jack Cafferty responded with outrage. No wonder I'm jaded.
xoites defends Constitution @ 44:
How you doing X
Reminds me of the 1/2 hour news hour. Fox had to pay people to be in the audience.
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=84354
Doing good bob, how are you? :)
I have to ask this, even if I risk looking incredably stupid but what does MSM stand for?
The MSM stands for propoganda, lax laws and the fascist way of life, as opposed to Crooks & Liars bloggers who stand for Truth, Justice and the American Way of Life.
Barbara, by asking the question you show me you are an intellegent person. It is good to question things you do not understand.
xoites defends Constitution @ 49:
almost to the point where I can't make heads or tails of the garble in my mind. Friend brought me some Mescal from Mex.
And even better to question things that are trying to take away your rights and freedoms and a fair electoral process.
Saint Augustine @ 50:
I question McGranpa's sanity.
Sounds like the coin is on neither side. You may need something to take it off its edge. :)
And our corrupt and inept reich-wing MSM is completely silent about this, but every 20 minutes they mention McGrampa demanding they meet for "town hall" meetings.
I never thought Senator McCain would take this kind of risk knowing that the Media would expose him for the liar that he is, he is just trying to rope Senator Obama into some public spectacle to move his campaign forward, hopefully the Senator does not play right into his hands.
wouldn't that be a shame if they actually did that!
Ed Helms on the Daily Show in August 2004: "No one convinces people more than watching convinced people." Brilliant. That is why McCain is using this strategy. It will be the only time that he get loud rounds of applause like Bush/Cheney in 2004.
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ rather than question his sanity, focus on the insanity of his positions. It is difficult for me to find positives in rightwing rhetoric but the negatives seem to pop out.
Why would an old, forgetful, ill tempered crank like McDementia would want a one on one, town hall style debate with a sharp guy like Obama? The sneaky fucker would flood the crowd with Frank Luntz style bigot "focus groups".
Obama has never stacked a meeting with his supporters.
pissed off patricia @ 10:
I think, more and more, that the Rethugs have written McCain off and will either replace him at the convention and/or regroup for 2012. They, for all intents and purposes, seem to be just going through the motions.
The US was offered this technology a few years back and did nothing with it, guess it might have hurt oil sales. Now a Japanese Company is starting to manufacture cars that run on WATER.
New Fuel Cell System 'Generates Electricity with Only Water, Air'
Packing the audience with biased supporters ranks 26th on Karl Rove's List of Dirty Tricks.
Thank God for YouTube, C&L and the internet. We're going to be able to watch every move McSame's campaign makes and hold them accountable.
Barbara Key @ 38:
Helpful hint # 487395
Barb, if you see some letters put together like that (rotflmao, FIFY, MSM or any others) go to the Google and type the letters in and you will get a definition.
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai @ 63:
I just saw that little car on tv.
If Obama had agreed to do that town hall deal with McCain last night, would it have been the same people in the audience? David Axelrod is not going to allow Senator Obama to walk into a trap like that.
Whether the town hall meetings are stacked or not, one thing that's obvious is that they're all lily white.
PEACE
Obama needs to start acknowledging how messed up this country is going to be for the next 4,8, even 10 years. The repubes are just going to hammer on the Dems after the "change" election. They're going to pull their finger out of the financial shit dike, and the flood will be upon us. Assuming they still have any power, that is. The reich wing noise machine is being too hard on McCain for my liking. After 8 years of constant lies, why would they now tell any semblance of truth? Seems like a setup for '09 and beyond, when the Democrats are in power, and the US finally realizes the full extent of the destruction done under Bush. Then, the Pubes will set up for a 2012 landslide based on how bad things were after the Dems took power.
Conspiracy truth. We had better at least start talking about the problems to come, hedge our bets, and hope we all maintain some sense of dignity through it all.
I think Shephard Smith is wrong about Bloomberg being a registered Republican. He became an independent in 2007.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/bloomberg-leaving-republica...
Michelle Obama: "Get me more white people!"
Gretchen @ 32:
From BaScomBe (post #134 in open thread):
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080610/NEWS/80610061
Mary @ 70:
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Never never never should Obama do a town hall McShame-a-thone. McStackthedeck has shown exactly what their plans are. This was just a dry run to see how it works. They got busted. Now they have no credibility with evidence to prove it. No, it looks like the only way we should see these two together is if it is in debate format with Keith Olbermann as the question man. Yep.
pissed off patricia @ 10:
Absolutely. I've come to admire the guy enormously especially during the Katrina fiasco, and I wish he would get out of that sewer over at Fox. I suspect that he's become so stained by his association with Fox that no real news organization will have him. Too bad.
ok iggtfooh, cu ltr
Any Republican assembly. "Get me ONE black person.
Left&Left @ 76:
More than one and we might have a riot.
pissed off patricia @ 72:
Looks like Mary is trying to get a Xmas bonus from the Republican National committee. Aren't they giving money to people who get these type of posts onto blogs? The problem with this one is that Mary is a dumbass and can't quite take it into the end zone. LOL
John W. McCain
Did anyone else see this bs from Fox newz (now with more news-like flavor!):
http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/06/12/fox-news-finally-goes-you-guys-we-...
Ron @ 77:
Explain this comment please.
Dr. (terrorist fist jab) Matt @ 79:
Repugnantcant mentality.
Not to mention McSame was SELLING the tickets to the event!
ISnt that illegal?
Charging a "donation" for tickets kind of eliminates the Dems and Independents doesnt it?
Ron@77 LOL. Really, to Mary@70 two black people together talking, standing around, constitutes a conspiracy.
Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai...
Don't you love being a news junkie in Thailand with most cable companies running nothing but Fox News? You can't help but end up watching Fox and Friends or O'Really.
I'm in Cambodia right now, so I get CNN. It's not much, but at least I can watch one episode of the Daily Show a week.
Thanks to everyone who answered my question. Now, I know what to call them when I yelling at my husband "They are all lying to you, sweetie." He says I see conspiracies everywhere. I tell him "no, I live in this country. There are conspiracies everywhere."
John W. McCain
Did anyone else see this bs from Fox Newz? (Now even newsier!):
http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/06/12/fox-news-finally-goes-you-guys-we-...
orsay @ 15:
Merely sleight of hand to appear to be fair and balanced.
The most surprising thing about this story is that Fox News (or Shepherd Smith independently of Fox News) mentioned that the audience was cherrypicked supporters. That would have never happened four years ago. One of three things are happening:
1. Fox wants to scuttle the McCain nomination before the convention so they get someone else.
2. Shepherd Smith knows the tide is changing and he may want a job somewhere less kooky sometime.
3. Fox sees the writing on the wall and is trying to suck up to the man who just had to keep breathing and not saying anything stupid in order to become POTUS -- that would be Obama.
pissed off patricia @ 39:
And the "stream" part as in yellow, aka yellow journalism.
That's why McCain's repeated call for 'Town Hall' debates is a suspect one.
McCain people will fill the room with their supporters and they will manipulate questions.There will be many of them...
Obama and his managers should be very careful not to be lead to a trap with this so called 'town hall' debates, a trap that will make ABC debate looks like a picnic.
Thanks to Nicole and all of C&L. I have found truth here,and it has set me free. Reading all of the above...trolls beware...truth ahead.
Barbara Key @ 84:
I’ll tell you what Barbara. Take notes. Do it on your computer in a word document. Save all the examples that you can show how the MSM is doing what you think they are doing (And believe me they are doing it). Keep a list. There are so many examples it is hard to remember. It is good to keep a list going. Like the “Obama terrorist fist bump.” Or all the times Fox News has put a (D) after the names of government people who get busted for corruption or child molestation or one of the numerous criminal acts they get bust for and are actually Republicans. Another place to find these examples is on Media Matters (click on the blue words). Go to their website and read it every day. These facts will stick in your mind. Know where to go get them so that you can educate your hubby.
Captain Obama’s Bitter Half Husein Kangaroo @ 90:
Might need to upgrade your hard drive to handle all the volume of crap...
fastfeat @ 91:
yep, They have cheap terabit hard drives at Staples.
Did anybody see Verdict of Dan Abrams last night?
On the show, the Repub toadie was whining that Obama said he'd meet McCain anywhere anytime for a debate or whatever. And that Obama didn't show up.
Of course, when the debate is rigged, then it's not a debate- it's an ambush. Kudos to the Obama campaign for staying out of the sand-trap that is FOX news.
I just heard on tv, McCain speaking at another town hall meeting today. He said the Supreme Court's ruling yesterday was the worst in the history of our country.
notagainplease @ 18:
Yes, I noticed! Its disgusting. I hope John Stewart is alerted, he gave a pretty positive review on John's AIPAC speech. Suddenly John McCain refuses to touch a Jewish guy? Maybe its another gaffe and he confused a yarmulke with a terrorist head garb and was afraid he wanted to give him a terrorist fist jab.
98 pissed off patricia Says: I just heard on tv, McCain speaking at another town hall meeting today. He said the Supreme Court’s ruling yesterday was the worst in the history of our country.
No further evidence is needed that if McCain is elected it would merely be Bush's third term.
The heartening thing is how very quickly Dean jumped on this, and publically, too. We haven't seen this kind of quick response to Rethug BS since Clinton ran. Gore and Kerry never seemed to get it: the Rethugs aren't nice guys. They aren't out to play the game by the rules. They'll use every nasty trick they can, and Democrats must be determined at the very least to catch every scam and parade it before the cameras.
Personally, I'd go further, and use the scams back at them. But then, I also believe that people who commit a multitude of crimes in high office should be tried for those crimes, because there's one law for all. In other words, I'm completely unrealistic.
Smells like turdblossoms.
McRumpelstiltskin is gonna have a meltdown any day now......
More to the point, and with respects to Mr. Howard Dean... After seven years of a president who has divided the nations people, lied to start wars, spread false and misleading propaganda that ruined careers, and undermined the other two branches of this nations government, further advanced more lies that led to death and maiming for hundreds of thousands, and all to advance an agenda that is manifestly toxic to the concepts this nation was founded on, a man so ill equiped for the job he so touted himself as having the right stuff for....that if it wasn't all so gut-wrenching and tragic, would hugely laughable in a Terry Gillam Brazil sort of way... After all that, this citizen and millions like me are having none of this stage managed, campaign handler manipulated BULLSHIT any longer....No fucking way am I buying any of this shit... FUCK McCain and his phony 'town hall' meeting theater....... If I want to watch a fantasy on T.V. I'll rent a Batman movie.....JD
Wow, I can't believe how blatantly McW avoided the dude in the yarmulke. He actually waved him off!
I was struck by how when you watch an Obama crowd(speech or town hall) people are smiling and look happy to be there.
With McCain the crowd looks so damn depressed(understandable with the shit he spews), or like they are being forced there. And these are his supporters? heh...
Dr. Acula @ 105:
Wow!! Didn't notice it first time I viewed the clip, but sure looked like a blow-off to me.
If anyone in the crowd at this townhall meeting had asked a hostile question, they would have been investigated and exposed as a shill for Obama. The MSM would have decided the story "had legs" and would've run the story 24/7 until the Obama campaign and the candidate himself were forced to make a statement. McCain did Obama a favor in that regard. The fact that this will all be swept under the rug shows just how worried the corporations are.
What a manipulating, lying, misleading, bullshitter McSame is.
How Jeffgannonesque of him !!
Obama should never set foot at any FAUX-sponsored event; he should never appear on any FAUX television shows; and he should never do any interview with any FAUX contributor. The opposite would only enforce the ridiculous notion that FAUX is in any way a legitimate news organization. Leave that to the surrogates: Dean, Biden, Kerry et al. That's what they're for.
Why did McCain dis the Jewish guy? Look at the clip good.
As for Fixed news???? The fucking cartoon network is more credible....JD
This is right out of Roger Ailes playbook, it's Nixon's "man in the arena" redux. By putting it on FOX and pretending they expected Obama to show they can pass it off as a news event so the McCain campaign gets 90 minutes of airtime for free. Look how the audience is arrainged. You're missing the larger story...
THE AILES FORMULA
By ROGER J. STONE JR.
Former Governor Mitt Romney recently announced a series of Town Meetings called "Ask Mitt Romney Anything" where the public, and not the media, are allowed to ask questions funneled through a panel of "Typical Americans."
Presumably, Romney will have the good-sense to televise these encounters as well as cutting them into effective :30 & :60 second commercials.
This is a format first produced by the young Roger Ailes for Richard Nixon in 1968 called the "Man in the Arena."
Ailes met Nixon in the make-up room of the Mike Douglas show where Ailes was the producer of the nationally syndicated show for three years. Ailes produced five live 90 minute programs a week. The former Vice President had a guest shot during his wilderness years out of public office but not out of the public eye. "It's a hell of a thing the way a guy has to use a gimmick like television to get elected," said Nixon. "TV is no gimmick," replied Ailes, "but a fact of life." Ailes told Nixon that unless he could figure this out he would lose again in 1968. Nixon told his law partner Len Garment to hire Ailes immediately.
Ailes used the 'Man in the Arena' format to humanize Nixon who, standing without a podium and surrounded by people, would appear spontaneous, warm, relaxed, thoughtful, slightly humorous, self-deprecating, more mature and seasoned and above all less tricky. Gone was the partisan slasher of the 1950's. Here was a man of vast experience who had used his time out of office to reflect on the great challenges of our times and was ready to provide a Viet Nam War-divided America with "new ideas and new leadership."
Ailes deft camera work as Nixon responded to questions from "Typical Americas" sold people the "New Nixon." In fact the canny Ailes has extenders fitted to all TV camera zoom-lenses and had Nixon's eyes specially lit so as not to appear dark or shifty. The close camera work created an intimacy that, for the first time ever, made people comfortable with Richard Nixon.
Isn't Mayor Bloomberg a "registered independent"these days,giving up his GOP affliation as a sign of sanity? I agree that Obama needs to stay far,far away from these McSame contrived "town halls",which are nothing more than a loser's lament by McSame,who's losing and knows the only way he gets free air time is to attend one of these frauds.
UBN, the United Bush Network = ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX.
Hey Shepard Smith, Get it right - Bloomberg changed from Republican to Independent last year.
God I hate these talking heads who don't do one shred of research before opening their pieholes and reading from their partisan cue cards.
"why is he copying the Bush campaign model by stacking this event with his prescreened supporters?"
Because it works and Americans don't know he is doing it and even if they did, they wouldn't even care.
is fox going to continue giving mccain free airtime for the town hall "campaign speeches" in front of hand picked audiences? if so mccain should be required by the FEC to declare the fox supplied airtime to his campaign in his declaration of contributions.
IT WASNT STACKED WITH SUPPORTERS... it was a wide varity... as my daddy always said...
Good Neighbors Come In All Colors..... White, albescent, albino, albumen, ashen, ashy, blanched, blank, bleached, bloodless, candent, candescent, canescent, Caucasian, chalky, clean, color, colorless, etiolated, grayed, hoar, hoary, impassioned, innocent, ivory, marmoreal, milky, neutral, pale, palliate, pallid, pearly, pure, silvery, snowy, spotless, transparent, cream, peaches, pinkish....
The Populist @ 116:
Rob Coover @ 71:
A real independent or an "independent" a la Lieberman?
I don't mean to be snide - I honestly don't know.
i heart howard dean.
Mcbush is a fraud candidate just like Bush. This guy is a joke just like the faux news network.
I've been wondering how ol' McTeleprompter could avoid being embarrassed in a head-to-head with Obama. If he can't pre-screen audiences and benefit from plants with softball questions, what to do, what to do....maybe a wire like dumbya wore. Yeah, that's the ticket....
I know some american history. I saw a completely united country around WorldWar 2nd, around the President, supporting Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower. All supporting commander inchief. The President of the United States of America. Uncredible how MSM main stream media, divided the country becouse 9/11 reaction to capture Osama and move talibans from Afghanistan. Sadam had the same weapons he had when invasion to Saudi. Of course there were plans of atomic bombs, an a fanatic people with machineguns,and rockets killing everybody.
I think Mr.President Bush, did what he had to. And in this strange war, I dont see american citizens thinking on this war against terrorism. Whisch is getting more and more difficult. McCain is republican, we have a great president !
Bernardo Ortiz @ 124:
Hello Bernado. How are you doing this evening? I have just one question for you.
And that is, After all the excuses this admin have given us, which one is the real reason for invading Iraq?
You see, I never believed all the propaganda this admin put out for going to war with Iraq. Pre-empitve policy is just saying we're going to invade your country. period. And by the way, what is the latest reason for invading Iraq?
Thank You Bernardo, for your time.
If Bubba stacked his townhall meetings
Would the townhall meeters be stacked?
124 Bernardo Ortiz Says: I know some american history. I saw a completely united country around WorldWar 2nd, around the President, supporting Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower. All supporting commander inchief. The President of the United States of America.
That's called the Rally 'Round the Flag effect.
It would've been the same had Gore or Kerry been in charge.
But I doubt they would have frittered away that advantage for ego, and would've kept their eye on the ball in Afghanistan, instead of letting Iraq distract them.
Additionally, there were reports of no real WMD. David Kay's inspectors were allowed back into Iraq, surprising people at their appearance, and still finding nothing. And there were the Downing Streets Memos (six in total was the last I heard) saying the "evidence" to fit the war rationale. Additionally, that's why Valerie Plame, a MSM expert in the CIA was outed, because her husband Joe Wilson made nonsense of the reports of yellow cake purchases in the Sudan.
More lies but we have Americans who have not learned from the last eight years. They will sell there souls to see any republican in office even if it's not in there best interest forgive me Bush's corporate buddies have already sold everything. TALK about mental. If McSame has all this so called experience then why is he not blowing the inexperienced, BLACK guy away.... Easy answer McSame is actually insane, 5 years in captivity you put it together.
What's really sad about all these McSame lovers is he's the best the Republican party had to offer. Let me see McSame= war/and nukes because he's afraid to talk to our enemies. Obama= Talking hopefully like adults and with a smart cabinet to some of our enemies (chances of war less likely) for my kids future Obama's the choice. Tough talk = war and more death and not just to our enemies. WE should remind ourselves daily what goes around comes back around. Now McSame wants wives off limits. Google Cindy McCain and see why for yourself. McSame has fallen asleep at the wheel already.
Obama/Powell 08
Obama might STOP treating Israel like "teacher's pet"
McCain won't.
(Survival-yes blank check-no)
Obama might STOP treating Israel like "teacher's pet"
McCain won't.
(Survival-yes blank check-no)
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