On taxes, the differences couldn't be more obvious
By Steve Benen Thursday Jun 12, 2008 12:50pmMedia efforts to minimize the differences notwithstanding, Barack Obama and John McCain couldn’t be much more different, especially on the issues of taxes.
The irony is, McCain, after his last presidential election, thought Bush’s trickle-down, class-warfare-style tax plan was ridiculous. “I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief,” McCain said in 2001.
Now, however, McCain is anxious to do precisely what he couldn’t in good conscience do before. Obama, meanwhile, is prepared to deliver for middle-class families and those at the lower end of the scale. The Washington-based Tax Policy Center crunched the numbers.
Both John McCain and Barack Obama promise to cut taxes for the majority of Americans. But an Obama administration would redistribute income toward lower- and middle-class households, while a McCain White House would steer the bulk of the benefits to the wealthiest families, according to a nonpartisan analysis of the still-evolving tax plans of the presidential candidates.
Kevin Drum summarized the bottom line nicely: “If you’re really rich and think that George Bush’s tax cuts for the rich didn’t go nearly far enough, John McCain is your man.”
This CNN clip, by way of TPM, was actually pretty good:
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Can Jerri just report with out adding the emotional "If you're super wealthy in this country Obama is going to sock you with more taxes of more than $700,000"
Thankfullu John is there to give some balance.
hmmmmm, I wonder where Jerri's income lies on this scale
This election is so important. The wealthy have gotten away with bloody murder since the dawn of time. The middle class has to vote for Obama, or were doomed.
"You would expect the Democrats to raise taxes on lots of folks ..."
Oh, really? We've been complaining about the anti-progressive Bush tax cuts for years. I'd expect them to raise taxes on the wealthy only.
You know what America?
When you max out the Country's credit card eventually the Tax bill needs to come in.
If you don't pay the bill you loose your credit and go bankrupt when they put a lein on you.
You can't keep voting for people who tell you they won't make you pay the bill.
You already voted for people who maxed out the card. You were dumb. You made a bad decision with your finances.
Time to pay the bill and stop whining that it's too high.
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OK Repugnicants make up yer minds..
'Perpetual War' or 'No Taxes for the Rich'.
One or the other, you can't have it both ways.
Jerry, like the rest of the talking heads, make a fortune compared to us. Just listening to the hosts of MSNBC business channel, you can hear the distain they have for the working class. If there was justice, all the fat cats should lose their money and have to survive the real world.
Theres always a brights to everything, Chimpy has 200 days left in office, then off to the Hague for a well earned vacation,
McCain on the other hand is most likely to be replaced in September 2008, a mere 70 odd days away,
hes flipflopped and driven the Republican election hopes down so far, it would be funny if it was a Hollywood farce.
So who will the RNC replace McFlipflop with in September, one thing to be sure whoever it is, they are a McCain reject with the Retards voters.
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McCain will win the Presidential Election this November.
You know why?
He is for every side of every issue. American people cannot distinguish timeframe, so they hear what they want to hear. If they heard an opinion or policy of McCain's from 2001 and it is what they want to hear, then in their mind, that is his policy. If they hear his latest pandering and they want to believe that, that is what they believe. What a beautiful approach. McCain knows that by him being the darling of the MSM, he will never be held accountable. They would never point out what is accurate or his flip flopping or what a hypocrite he is.
Ha, ha, ha! Watch the puppets step on eggshells as they mouth the words "level that playing field." Network TV is fun again!
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kerplunk @ 10:
Can McCain walk and talk unaided now, I cant recall seeing him in motion recently or without a personal voice in his ear correcting his every utterance and blooper.
Wow, if only I could earn $38,000 a year, that would be sweet. Since I make only about $25,000 I suppose I'm like a homeless veteran, nobody knows I exist.
cnn was one of the strongest advocates of the 'new economy', along with the rest of the msm.
privatization, union busting, deregulation, tax cuts for the rich, tax havens for corporations, etc.--what has left america in the shape it now finds itself--were advocated, trumpeted, and pushed on the american public by the news whores at cnn, and other infotainment outlets.
i am not surprised that a channel as piss poor as cnn would continue to spread the market fundamentalist lie.
I sure wish people would wake up to the facts about how Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 have used the United State's credit card to pay off their friends and transfer power and wealth to the already rich and powerful. Stop saying that we need to cut government spending and not raise taxes. We need to pay our bills. the national debt is $9,431,262,012,150. We can end the BS occupation in Iraq, and balance that with an increase in investing in the national infrastructure and that would be somewhat a wash and the right thing to do. That still leaves about $31,000. of dept for every man woman and child in the united states. I don't want to hear about tax cuts until a full 1/3 of the budget is not interest on the debt. It is time for those who have made so much from the commons to give back to the commons.
The TV seems to be very craft with their editing of footage of McElderly, they dont seem to show him in motion much.
Its like watching a decrepit D*sney animatron just before its pulled from the front to languish in the repair depot / scrap room.
Hey guys, you might want to give this forum a read to see where some people stand on taxes this election year. It boggles the mind where these people live and what century they live in:
http://www.eham.net/forums/Misc/7922
RayC @ 16:
I wonder if the holders of the Federal employee issued credit cards will also pay back the 41% they stole from the taxpayers.
A little matter of 5.74 billion dollars in 2007 spent on laptops ipods and similar consumer junk.
Rich people and the Republicans who serve them seem to forget that it is the taxes paid by the rest of the country that provided the infrastructure that made individuals rich and businesses successful.
Were Ford and Rockefeller self made men or did they have a little help from those ROADS AND HIGHWAYS that American taxpayers built? What about Exxon and the fast bastard that just retired with that massive retirement package. Did he benefit at all from those roads and bridges that we maintain?
It seems like the attitude among Republicans is that the rich people made their money all by themselves in a vaccume and the American treasury and the taxpayers that fill it deserve no credit or compensation for sponsoring their efforts.
How many here would turn down a job that paid a salary of $2 million/ year if it came with a preconditional tax of 60%. Anyone?
It still leaves $800,000 on the table.
Throught the virtue of hard work and sound investing I think a person making that kind of coin will be okay.
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Sam @ 18:
Theres one person there with a brain and the ability to listen to sane people.
Plisko@20: "Were Ford and Rockefeller self made men or did they have a little help from those ROADS AND HIGHWAYS that American taxpayers built"
thanks for that, it is a crucial point that is rarely brought up. and is one reason why there is no such thing as a "free" market. the roads, ports, bridges, etc. that are vital to commerce were not, are not and will not be "free".
ferrofluid (Obama 08) @ 17:
When you say above " The TV seems to be very craft " are you using the word CRAFT in the meaning "Can't Remember A Fucking Thing" (like old CIA hacks do)?
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Hey - I think something is finally trickling down on me from the Reagan years of tax cuts to the wealthy....unfortunately, it's brown and smells pretty bad....
Sam @ 18:
Of course the typical Republican radio amatuer is mostly likely of a certain age and ex mil, and current or ex corparate,
so they prob have good paid for health care.
Which is pretty much the stereotypical Retard out there, they are fine, screw everybody else.
(until the big one bankrupts them, then they blame the libruls and scream for gov assistance and bailouts)
Bingo for Obama--I like his going after higher incomes to keep paying social security taxes, too.
Talking head says, "You would expect the Democrats to raise taxes across all income brackets..."
Huh?! Since when do Dems want to tax the poor?
'low income people' >> $38-66,000
she has no fucking clue.
Samson- @ 24:
Exactly. If they want a real free market then lets start charging every business in the country a "service fee" on behalf of Americans for the use of our infrastructure
Yea, I know. That's what taxes are supposed to be but when you call it a "service charge" it sounds more like capitalism and how can they argue with a free market where the citizens can charge for their services too?
the sad thing is poor southerners will still think mccain is better for them then obama
ferrofluid (Obama 08)@23
I tell them we will have to wait in long lines, and they say “not here we don’t”.
no. fucking. doubt.
3 weeks ago my g/f and i had to go to the emergency room in CC philly. we got there at 6pm.... and then we waited.
and waited.
and waited.
and waited.
when it got close to midnight we started to ask the hospital employees if we could expect to see a doctor soon. and we were told that they have no idea when that might, but probably close to 3am. and, again, we got there at 6pm.
so, after waiting almost 6 hours we had to go (long story, had to do w/nature of injury), and not only couldn't we get reimbursed for the $50 charge, we were sent a bill for an add'l $250.
fuck our healthcare system. the msm, the health field, the govt, and anyone who uses the term 'socialized' medicine is lying. we are paying out the nose for a crumbling, failing and awful healthcare system.
anyway, it should be called christianized healthcare.
cut the bloated war budget and help the citizens.
Avenger @ 30:
They would expect that because it's what the republicans constantly spew. "The evil Democrats will raise your taxes" and the poor and uninformed believe it. Hope those voters watched this clip.
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♠Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai @ 25:
I meant crafty as in slick editing to remove McCains feeble movements on camera, his doctors claim he is decades younger than his years (HAHHAHHA)
Yes we all believe that an ex USAF pilot that ejected several times, badly beaten and mangled, spent five years as a POW is AOK.
Of course he collects 100% disability pension, after being put back into flight duty as 100% fit in the 70s, makes sense in the Repug poltical world.
One rule for them, bad rules and Reagan style trickle down welfare for the rest of us.
Mickxotic @ 27:
Ha!
Soooo funny.
People are so desperate to think that Obama is somehow different, that he is working for the interests of the average American. It is going to be really interesting to see how despondent people get after -- say -- the Democrats sweep both houses and the presidency and then, as always, the average American worker continues to get pounded and abused and his wishes blatantly ignored.
The truth is Obama is no different from McCain in substance. Obama's grovelling before AIPAC is proof enough of that, as is the presence of Trilateral Commission co-founder Brezinski (misspelt, my apologies) as his foreign policy advisor which, along with the Council on Foreign Relations, is dedicated to the destruction of the United States in favour of a more "globalist" outlook.
You don't become a major candidate for president of the Republican Party or the Democratic Party unless you are already owned and compromised by the Powers that Be, which the average American not only isn't a part of but barely even knows exists. And those PTB run the US government literally from the shadows and not only own both political parties outright but also the media.
Real change in America will only happen when people open their minds and their hearts and really start examining how this whole system is designed to enslave and intimidate us. We are months away from what will be, a second Great Depression, this one far more devastating than the last, and Americans are really clueless about what is coming.
Stop watching the TV for news, it isn't news, its entertainment, and Obama is just the Punch and Judy Democrat doll designed to distract you from what is coming. And virtually all incumbent Democrats and Republicans need to be ousted from office next election or this country is done, done, done.
Samson- @ 34:
I had the misfortune and luck to be admitted to a British NHS hospital 3am one sunday morning with a very bad asthma attack.
Got seen within minutes, then treated with oxygen and nebulizer for the next seven hours,
also got a free floor show of the doctors and nurses treating the various injured drunks too as they came in and got patched up.
It was the worst time and day of the week, yet everybody got seen and treated quickly.
kerplunk @ 10:
Don't know if he'll win, but your comment about Americans not being able to distinguish timeframe is dead-on.
They don't remember history, and neither does McCain. Commonality of fools.
“Were Ford and Rockefeller self made men or did they have a little help from those ROADS AND HIGHWAYS that American taxpayers built?”
I, personally, think it goes beyond us socializing the costs of infrastructure though. Rockefeller is a good example as to why there is no such thing as self made billionaires, it always involves stealing wealth from people who produced something for society. The existence of people so rich is a flaw in the system, why people accept it is beyond me. If I invest in the market and make a return I increase my wealth and don’t work one bit. I increase my wealth by monopolizing the work of someone else. Someone else produced something of value, or a financial institution or a central bank created wealth out of thin air by simply creating debt, and I step in and, because I already have money beyond what I need (the more I steal from the work of others the more I’ll have to invest and I’ll have even more than what I need as far as basic necessities), invest and take whatever they produce.
What they produce is worth a certain amount and wages are then reduced as much as possible, so the difference between what is earned on the market after what is produced is sold and the wage being paid to who produced it is as large as possible. That’s why Adam Smith said that profits were highest in the countries going quickest to ruin.
In the 20th century working people fought against this idea, now it’s common place amongst workers in the developed world. We’re all just happy as long as we get a cut of the action, which also explains why poverty (especially in other countries) is so often ignored. Truly caring about the poor and the working poor means objecting to this set up.
David @39
Me thinks you're a concern troll.
David @ 39:
Thanks for your concern.
Quote This Comment June 13th, 2008 at 10:33 AM - PDT 31 linda Says: ‘low income people’ >> $38-66,000
she has no fucking clue.
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Blonde bimbo, overreaching voice inflection--could have sworn it was a Fux clip.
liftr36 @ 29:
Its not a case of going after everybody or anybody, its a case of graduated tax bands,
lowest earners dont pay taxes until a certain point say 5 or 10K,
then tax is paid on the income bands per band. multiple bands say in 10k increments.
works very well in Europe, fair too.
Remember the big earners dont pay income tax at the top levels anyway,
they arrange to be paid low, then top up with various bonus and dividend low tax incomes.
Witness the 38 billion dollars paid out to Wall Street employees last year in bonuses, they know how to pay the least tax on their income.
David @ 39:
Well then, Mr Concerned-All a-About-It...Get up off your arse and do something. In fact, you can stay right there ON your arse and do something. Write letters, make phone calls. Work for progressive causes and candidates.
And know this: It's too late to change the presumptive nominees now. What are you suggesting as an alternative?
Number of people w/ income over 200K, not paying any taxes is rising:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-06-11-taxes_N.htm?loc=int...
1Watt, there's also this:
http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2008/edition_04-13-2008/Intellig...
“2004 U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) study found that 61% of American corporations, including 39% of large companies, paid no corporate income taxes between 1996 and 2000. Last year, corporations shouldered just 14.4% of the total U.S. tax burden, compared with about 50% in 1940.”
“…While companies are getting off easy, thanks to loopholes, ordinary wage earners are getting stuck with the tab. The tax burden on individuals is expected to climb from $1.16 trillion in 2007 to $1.21 trillion this year, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), while corporate tax receipts are expected to decline from $370 billion to $364 billion. By 2013, the CBO estimates, ordinary taxpayers’ bills may climb to $1.86 trillion while corporate tax bills drop to $327 billion.”
miss_kitty,
I agree with what you are saying. If someone just goes on web pages, bitches and does nothing they should frankly shut the F up and go back to playing their video games. Being aware of what is wrong and doing nothing about it is far worse than being ignorant.
Taxes and the how and why, is a morality issues as well as a financial one.
"work to live, or live to work" is a very good question and conundrum.
We dont exist on this planet to slave and make other people happy,
therefor our purpose in life isnt just to pay bills and fill up the bosses bank accounts.
The sheer number of low paid people makes up for a deserved low tax burden on the poor,
see above for why forcing people to work all hours of the day and week to barely survive is evil.
Yes clever people with a talent for accounting and running companies deserve their share of the pie,
but not at the expense of the serfs killing themselves with the back breaking, mind numbing, family destroy labor.
ferrofluid (Obama 08) @ 51:
family destroying labor
In-come, hmmmm. whats in a word?
I do not have any money that just "comes-in"
I gotta go out (40 hrs a week) in order to get my money...it doesnt just "come in"
maybe one day I will make enough money to invest in a corporate entity.
until then...I make wages.
ferrofluid (Obama 08) @ 47:
there is great concern about the gap between very wealthy and low income... it's out of balance.this is what barack will try to adjust that's all it is ..it's not a penalty to anyone....it needs to happen economic intellects know this
ENOUGH OF THE TRICKLE DOWN.... i'm already wearing my pith helmet...
how about giving the money to the people at the BOTTOM and let the money trickle UP...
if you want to see money SPENT IN AMERICA.... take it away from all the fat cats and "investors in multi-nati...." GIVE ME $500 and it will be in circulation faster that you can say JOHN THE REPUBLICAN MCCAIN OWNS 50 HOUSES
21 Wheee Says:
"How many here would turn down a job that paid a salary of $2 million/ year if it came with a preconditional tax of 60%. Anyone?"
I would (turn it down)...I could not sleep @ night knowing that one million 2 hundred thou is going to feed the police state and international/illegal war machine every year.
I would have a problem working one day me and one day for this corrupt govt, ...I already pay enough gas taxes for my streets/highways and enough propoerty taxes for our schools ...taxes ect...taxes ect...
and I will not be held responsible for all the debt that congress has heaped upon we the people and our children...
I say we make Ben Burnbanke and Alan Greenspan pay it all back!
...they printed the worthless stuff (money)...not me!
Yeah, I can see the concern... you wouldn't want tax cuts or tax credits going to the lowest income or no income Americans...they need the help so that's exactly why we can't give it to them.
On the other hand, the uber-rich don't need the help so you can clearly see the need to help them.
Yeah, giving to the poor...that's something Christ would have done...so you can be you won't see any of these Republican Fake Christians supporting that policy!
Last summer, Warren Buffet mentioned during a Hillary stump speech that he doesn't pay enough taxes. As an example, he said he paid something like 16-17% of his income, while a typical receptionist who works for him (one of his lowest paid workers) got socked with a tax bill that was close to 40% of their income... and he's not even trying to hide his money in offshore tax schemes.
You know the tax structure in this country is fucked if the current richest man in the world complains that he's not paying enough taxes.
Then there's my boss who thinks Obama's going to raise our ("our" = middle class) taxes on Day 1. He's such an ignorant putz.
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 57:
About the only Republican who said we should do more for the poor because that's what Jesus taught was Huckabee. Of course, as soon as he uttered this during his campaign, they immediately threw him under the bus.
48 miss_kitty Says: David @ 39:
Well then, Mr Concerned-All a-About-It…Get up off your arse and do something. In fact, you can stay right there ON your arse and do something. Write letters, make phone calls. Work for progressive causes and candidates.
And know this: It’s too late to change the presumptive nominees now. What are you suggesting as an alternative?
Dear Ms Kitty,
You strike me as a person who is as fundamentally fixed in your thinking as any Republican or Christian Fundamentalist this site so frequently denegrates. Careful. (And yes I am anticipating your highly snide response.)
But if you don't comprehend how the system really works and refuse to acknowledge the fatal flaws our system of government currently has, all the letters and phone calls in the world won't change anything.
You didn't dispute any points raised in my post, only that there are no alternatives to the "presumptive" nominees, basically stating that the status quo is acceptable to you. If so, do what you have to do.
And if you so blindly adhere to the status quo, you will get what you have already gotten. Again and again and again. The election of 2006 should have demonstrated that in spades: are you going to argue to me that Pelosi is progressive? That she isn't bought and paid for? Ms. "Impeachment is Off The Table"? Ya, she's done a great deal for America, hasn't she?
I consider educating myself, taking steps to protect my family longer term and questioning whether reality lines up with the mainstream media pablum we are all fed as alternatives to embracing the status quo. Also sharing these ideas where possible. And I would love to vote for a truly progressive politician, but I see very few on the horizon. And, no, Mr. Obama is not a progressive candidate.
Actually, this primary more than any other has highlighted just how corrupt and rigged the entire national election process really is. So I will be focussing more on the local level where I believe I can have more of an impact. I do what I have to do as I encourage you to do what you feel you need to do.
As for the impending economic collapse, it will do more to shake Americans out of their lazy, self-assured and arrogant slumber than anything I can come up with and will force good men back into political life, I am sure. So from that perspective, it may be a good thing. It saddens me, though, that so much pain will result before people start to recognize the elusive obvious going on all around them.
OT -- Timmeh is dead at 58! Apparent heart attack.
RIP.
David @ 61:
Actually, I vote for Nader, every chance I get. I've been working tirelessly for change most of my life. Since I was 5. I don't disagree with you-if you'd paid attention to my years of comments on this blog alone, you'd know I think the DNC and the DLC are as full of shit as much as are the Thugs. That I know the fix is in.
I think you are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy by say letter writing doesn't work. That's correct. If you think it won't work, so you and others who think the same, it won't. Unless a lot of people do it. Same with voting.
You haven't got clue number 1 about me, pal.
http://headinthegame.newsvine.com/_news/2008/06/13/1570514-how-bad-will-...
I found this on MSNBC.
How Bad Will Obama's Tax Hikes Hurt The Economy?
wheee @ 64
What a crock that "article" is.
63 miss_kitty Says:
You haven’t got clue number 1 about me, pal.
I would respectfully say as well that you don't know me as well as you think either. Lets hope we can both be pleasantly surprized in the end.
And I don't have time to follow your comments here, especially over a period of years, but you seem quicker to bite than to educate from what I have read of your comments. Quick to insult and deride others for actions you assume they are not taking rather than counter with any points of substance.
And BTW, I do my fair share of letter writing to the editor, pushing various candidates through calling, etc, but more to keep people honest than expecting change. May be a self fufilling prophesy but in my mind I do what I can.
The bigger problem, and the one that allows the "shitbags" to maintain thier hold on power, is that the average individual doesn't know, and seemingly doesn't want to know, how badly they are getting screwed. My belief is that so threatens the personal ego of individuals -- after all, our identity is hinged on "what we know" -- that they just won't go there in spite of all evidence in plain view. If people did face up to what is going on around them, this whole system would collapse like Soviet Russia did. The emperor would have no clothes. In short, if there were more people who thought like you, this system would have no legs to stand on.
It is people with an interest in political ideas that I am trying to reach out to. This isn't out of apathy, its out of a desire to reach people who genuinely want change. In my mind, with Obama, they are being sold a lame horse that will not carry them far. McCain, as we all know, is an even older horse. Is this really the best America has to offer?
Like a drunk whose drinking is killing him, to acknowledge reality takes courage. Or they hit bottom where their old way of living no longer exists. If enough Americans woke up to the corruption around them, this system would be over, period, and there might be an opportunity to turn things around without the big crash.
But if most don't wake up, well, we shall see what develops ....
Am I hallucinating!? Or did I just see some facts being shown on news? As In actual informative news? That was clear, too the point, and in plain English!
As a moderate to liberal science/engineer/entrepreneur type I believe in paying your fair share. I will vote for Obama because he is the right choice for the future. But I have to say this about the tax thing I just paid my quarterly taxes and that was 36% to the Feds and 10% to CA. Add in my property taxes and I'm shelling out 50% of my gross income (not adjusted gross, gross). Now I make a good living but I'm not rich by any standards. AMT kicks in and many deductions are eliminated or reduced. The uber rich can afford MBAs to structure their finances to stay a head of tax law but guys like me just grin and bear it. So next time you think oh those rich guys, realize that those who are well off (and risked a lot (lost several times as well) and worked very hard to get what we have) might like to keep a little more than half our earnings. There has got to be a way.
The republicans and this forever rant about the Dem's will raise your taxes is getting as old and funky as their entire corrupt and criminal agenda, designed to control this country.
They are hell bent on following through with the the agenda set forth in their Project of the New American Century. The problem they are having is that many
of us are aware of the cheap tricks and treats they use to get us to the point we find ourselves in today.
American people have other plans, that simply do not agree with and will do any and everything possible to shut this massive corporate criminal enterprise down.
On this tax crap they wine about so much. All those who they are claiming Obamas message will effect, need to do is look at your small minimum wage checks and see how much tax you are paying.
I venture to say not much, cause you don't make that much in the first place so the people that are most concerned with taxes of any kind are those with big money and sense Bush took office, year after year, after year, they have not paid any tax either.
That's why all the programs and many of your city functions are lagging in services. They have shorter staffs with more work and far less money allogated for them to do it with.
Believe me folks rich people love the use of all these city functions for themselves, and you better believe that they have the finest of these services in their districts to show this. We need to learn a different way of allogating this money to shake the foundation of those on the receiving end of services that are ment for all.That's is the real problem.
Yes there is a need to raise TAXES on those that are making these huge sums of money under this administration. Many of these people have made these wind falls that are not exactly honorable and have the audacity to get upset and claim how hard they have worked for it and you clearly see what kind of business they are in. They can and should pay more and after the windfall of eight years of not being responsible citizens, they should have some huge nest eggs to do exactly that.
Call it mean spirit towards the rich who worked so hard to get what they have and now the evil med income and poor people they got rich screwing are now trying to take it.
There is no way in hell that some of these people should need or even want the kind of money they have gewed out of the people of this country and many of the ones I am referring too, have done exactly that and oh they will claim they provide jobs and they give to the needy and on and on. The truth of what they have and will continue to do is all out in the open for not only American citizens to see, but the entire world
They are all over the place folks. appointed to office by the Bush Administration and stuffed all over our Government for the purpose of altering and changing laws, regulations as well as their consistent obsession with privatizing all the agencies as well as our ability as citizens who has the right to be part of with full knowledge of the workings now closed by this administration.
Just look at the problems with Food and Drug Administration. We don't know who the hell is leading this Fed Institution as they cut all of the resources in favor of privatizing this agency. Private institutions have no accountability to the public as the Food and Drug Administration has. They work for us, not wall street and the bottom dollar and we need to understand the difference in what the hell these private agencies with no accountability to the public really mean. They have stripped this agency of the ability to do it's job for the public.
The American Public decided a long time ago, that their were critical programs and services that we cannot trust in the hands of private companies and the kinds of problems and issues that we have experienced in the last eight years, should be a wake up call to the American people
We have the right to demand real accountability with real consequences, up too and including prison time, huge fines and certainly removal from the job. or control of our own money.
Rep. Dennis Kuccinnich is right on the mark as he has stood up to the plate and brought the 35 charges of Impeachment against Bush and his massive
Someone has probably already said it but I would like to correct the statement that Barack will "raise" taxes on the wealthy.
No, he will restore the taxes that were removed from some of the wealthiest people in the history of this nation.
How is it that so many people could be excited about raising taxes for others?
Now I agree that every American should pay their fair share into the system. I'm also anxious to see my own tax bill go down b/c of my "low income." But if I made over $2.9 million and saw that the gov't was going to take $700,000+ of that...I'd be mighty pissed! And I'd work my ass off to make sure they didn't get their hands on it, nothing illegal, I'd just look for loopholes. No way I'd want to pay more for wars, welfare, and waste.
It's not that I don't want to help people. I imagine I'd be pretty philanthropic, just as many millionaires are. Just don't steal my money. There are important things to pay for, sure, but why not make it fair for everyone that earns? Cut wasteful, non-essential spending and come up with one tax rate for all.
I'm all for Obama, but I see this as a reverse-Bush tax cut. And although a 'reverse-Bush' anything sounds good, this one too seems like pandering. There has to be a better way than sucking it from those that happen to be more successful than us bottom feeders.
Stop being delighted to see others pay more taxes than you. Get rid of debt, increase your income, and start stockpiling money.
Obama's tax plans make better sense than Clinton's and Bush's.
They never mentioned how many Americans fit each income bracket. Seems that less than 1 in a hundred people will have their taxes raised would be a significant thing to add. Talk about context.
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