'Recount': Lieberman helps sink Gore in 2000 election
By John Amato Sunday Jun 15, 2008 3:10pm
If you thought we needed another reason to consider Joe Lieberman a wanker---there is this. I watched HBO's movie called Recount the other day and it reminded me once again about his painful appearance on Meet the Press where he gets scared out of doing what was right and does everything he can during the Florida election scandal in 2000 to get Bush elected
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Lieberman: "My own point of view, if I was there, I would give the benefit of the doubt to ballots coming in from military personnel, generally," Mr. Lieberman said on NBC's "Meet the Press." Of the local canvassing boards, he said, "If they have the capacity, I'd urge them to go back and take another look, because again, Al Gore and I don't want to ever be part of anything that would put an extra burden on the military personnel abroad."
The conciliatory words came a day after Gov. George W. Bush's campaign and its surrogates accused the Democrats of a systematic campaign to have military votes, which are presumed to strongly favor Mr. Bush, thrown out, while some service members voiced anger at that possibility.
"We're getting kicked around for saying illegal votes are illegal votes," said a Democratic congressman from Florida. "The Republicans got a lot of illegal votes counted on Friday that never would have been let in before, and now we're the ones retreating? Incredible."
Telephone: Gore is going ballistic, what the hell just happened?
Klain: I think Joe Lieberman just entered the 2004 primaries. <correction> (h/t seth)
Thanks, Joe. Help John McCain all you want.
"We're getting kicked around for saying illegal votes are illegal votes," said a Democratic congressman from Florida. "The Republicans got a lot of illegal votes counted on Friday that never would have been let in before, and now we're the ones retreating? Incredible."
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"Al Gore and I don’t want to ever be part of anything that would put an extra burden on the military personnel abroad.”
That's an incredibly perplexing statement.
"I think Joe Leiberman just entered the 2004 primaries."
I've thought for a while Rove and Co. have got something on Joe, and the photos.
Lieberschmuck!
I think they burdened our military enough.
""But everything changed July 11 in the bright sunshine of Adhamiyah, Iraq. That day, while out on a simple meet-and-greet patrol, McKinney stepped out of his Humvee and yelled.
“F--- this!”
He raised the barrel of his M4 to his chin and squeezed off one shot."
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/06/military_suicide_060808w/
How in the hell did Joementum get the nod for VP? Was he in charge of the search for VP candidates?
Gore will get his revenge tonight when he steps on the stage and endorses Senator Obama. Suck on that McLieberman.
Has Joe Lieberman done one good, honest thing since 2000? Connecticut, your state owes the entire nation an apology.
I've been avoiding this movie. Have a feeling it would make me violently ill.
casper46 @ 9:
Totally feel you. I just don't want to get upset all over again.
Lieberman was a traitor even back then.
Left&Left @ 10:
I watched it the other day and it did. It reminded me of the moment I lost faith in government. I'd sort of forgotten about it after all the other bull that's gone down in the last eight years.
So when McBush and Joe Judas were in neighboring stalls at the airport men's room both sporting a "wide stance"....who was the first "toe tap"?
Can someone explain to me what the story about the military ballots was?
From what I remember, the Gore campaign wanted only the not valid ballots to be excluded. Apparently that included ones mysteriously mailed from inside the US when they were meant to be from overseas.
However, I would like to have my facts straight so could someone please clarify this for me?
Thanks
Sounds somewhat familiar. We have the moral high ground, and we are getting our asses kicked. Nancy, Nancy, oh Nancy. Where did she go?
"not valid"
Obviously I just realised there is a word for this: "invalid".
My excuse is that I'm at the very end of a hospital night shift here in Australia.
Great golf playoff by the way!
lieberman was in on the big plan........i think he may have duel citizenship u.s./israel.......he's a war hawk
Spicegal @ 11:
He was a traitor during Clinton's impeachment first, unless he was maybe a traitor before that.
[stony gaze of righteous irritation]
Lieberman: a gutless, conniving POS by any metric.
Egad.
The day Gore named this schmuck (use of perjorative intentional) as his Veep candidate, I called my dad, a long-time pol and election junkie. "Well, the election's over, and Bush wins," I said. He was almost in tears, agreeing that Gore had just thrown the election...
The unfortunate thing is that candidates' promises aren't contractual, of the voters of Connecticut could sue over his promise to help get a Democrat into the White House...oh, wait, won't his endorsement make Dems send Obama even MORE money?...naw, even Joe isn't that devious...just smarmy. Got a towelette?
This was the precise moment when Lieberman decided to abandon the Democratic party and become a weasel mole for the Republicans.
Just hide and watch though...the moment they don't need him anymore they'll shove it right up his ass...right where he deserves to get it, too.
Recount is the Democrats view of the way Dem's see it! Gore called for a recount of the voting districts that he thought would yield the best final vote for him. He failed! end of story! Gore invented the internet? Love story was about Tipper and Al? Al Gore invented "Global Warming" or as he calls it now "Climate change". Climate changes all the time around here but we call it Summer, Fall, Winter and Spring,.
must see video
http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036
Why did Spacey say "I think Lieberman just ended the 2004 primaries."?
Flash @ 15:
I am so sick of "liberals" constantly assuming the high ground, wanting to talk to these Republican mutts in the middle of a knife fight. This fall we need kick these fuckers in the teeth. The November elections will be war.
gay marriage becomes legal late this afternoon in california......that will be used against liberals you know people living their lives the way they want to...what a concept
Nah.... I never really needed another reason... Lieberman was a wanker, is a wanker and will continue to be... a wanker....
As for the movie.. I might make myself watch it eventually....Maybe I'll rent it sometime or see it on rerun... Right now??? Not ready to grind my teeth and run my bp thru the roof again over all that shit....JD
He should have been expelled from the party YEARS ago.
But just like impeachment is off the table, disciplining Lieberman is also off the table.
A serious question here: This would have probably been a too radical move for what is generally a cautious process (as history has shown, possibly too cautious) - but what does everyone think would have happened if Al Gore had publicly offered John McCain (the 2000 model, not the new and improved model) the Vice-President slot, citing both the need for genuine bipartisanship in the whole country (uniting Democrats and Republicans under the theme that we're* all Americans) and also citing how appalled he was by the treatment of McCain by the Bush campaign.
Would it have helped sink the Republicans then?
As history has also shown, he could hardly have done worse than he did with any other choice than Lieberman could he?
*(not counting my self as I'm Australian).
This is an issue for the voters of Connecticut.
The one thing that should be done is his removal from the democratic party. I frankly dont give a damn what that would mean in terms of votes. Clintonesque triangulation accomplishes nothing when it is at odds with the truth. Lieberman needs to go, if that means losing the senate - so be it.
If it looks like a mole and sounds like a mole, then Joe Lieberman is a Neo-con fucking mole.
Lieberman is scum.I hope that he gets ball cancer.
As others have posted, the HBO movie has Klain saying... “I think Joe Leiberman just entered the 2004 primaries.” ... not "ended the 2000 primaries", as noted in the original post.
Shan @ 28:
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McCain would have thwarted Gore's efforts at every turn to show him and his policies as a failure.
He would have then used that record of failure as a springboard to the Presidency.
That wavering loser could be Vice President right at this moment if he stuck up for Gore.
In recent history, has any individual politician with no actual political power done as much damage to the Democrats and this country as this guy?
How much do you want to bet that this cruel world will make Joe vote #60 for the next Congress?
John @ 27:
Imagine how weak the Democratic party looks to the Repubs as we allow this open traitor to piss all over us in the Senate. Give the Republicans credit...they would hang, draw, and quarter an enemy of Lieberman's level. The Democratic party IS the weaker party.
HW...and yet another right wing troll rears his or her ugly head.
Gore never said he invented global warming, the internet or 99% of the rest of the inane bullshit the Republicans throw around.
I know one thing for sure; if he hadn't been shafted out of the election we wouldn't be in the situation we are right now, both in Iraq and right here in America.
Bush will prove to be the worst and most corrupt President in our nation's history.
plooger @ 32:
By Lieberman's traitorous concession to the Republicans in 2000, he essentially sunk Gore and set himself up to run in 2004. When he didn't get that, his GOP pals set him up to steal Connecticut from Ned Lamont in 2006. Paraphrasing Don Vito Corleone, "He was made a deal he couldn't refuse". The Bush crime family. Can't wait for the movie!
casper46 @ 9:
I finally watched it yesterday. And the punch to the gut yesterday was just as bad as the one delivered in 2000. It was hard to know who to dislike the most....Lieberman took top honors though. Even though you knew what the outcome was going to be, it didn't take away any of the sting.
HW Says: "Climate changes all the time around here but we call it Summer, Fall, Winter and Spring."
The "weather" changes, numbnut...not the "climate."
Another of the many ripoffs in the 2000 Florida vote was that Buchanan got a vast majority of the Jewish vote, which he himself admits cannot be possible.
Between the Supreme Court and the many corrupt individuals in the Florida I don't know who is worse.
I wait for the day that Holy Joe LIE-berman pays the price owed for his duplicitous behaviors.
Personally, I think tar and feathering - right in the senate - would be a good option.
How about it Reid? Had enough? Can we at least strip him of his committee seats?
*
HW @ 22:
must see video
http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036
No, its not must see, unless you are a drooling, right wing idiot, then its must see.
For thinking people, its racist nonsense that only appeals to the lowest common denominator.
Like you.
One of the tests of how the 2009 bona fide Democratic Senatorial Majority will behave will be their treatment of Traitor Joe Lie-to-Dems.
He should not merely be stripped of his chairmanship and his seniority status. He should be relegated to a tiny basement office, complete with leaky, clunky pipes and no heat.
If senior Democratic officials work with this man like nothing has happened, they will reinforce the perception that they are nothing but Republican hacks in favor of the status quo and powers that be instead of a Democratic agenda. And it will be time for progressive blogs to begin to raise heaps of money to defeat every incumbent Democrat in both primary and general elections.
I totally agree. A long line of no-fight. Dukakis, Gore, Kerry
No man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that’s in the right and keeps on a-comin‘
Key is, you gotta keep a-comin' at 'em, or even come at 'em once for that matter. This congress has been on of the weakest bunch of do-nothins i have ever seen, and they easily would have had the public on their side.
I bet if Lieberman died, half of you twats would be crying your asses off. Then would come your attempts to canonize him. I'm glad that fat bastard Russert is dead. He helped to sell this war that has killed thousands of innocent human beings. I bet he's in hell right now getting some time in Satan's rape room.
I cant watch Recount, not yet, maybe after November I'll be able to rehash the stolen election. HBO makes great films, I have yet to see John Adams, which I'm much more interested in seeing at the moment
Klain: I think Joe Lieberman just ended to 2000 primaries.
Heh, that's not the line. It's:
wheyghey @ 2:
;)
I guess I'll take it upon myself to reply to your bull$hit.
HW @ 22:
They mentioned this in the movie and also mentioned that they regretted that decision and wished they had asked for a statewide recount
HW @ 22:
He never said that but he was instrumental in the CREATION of the internet
HW @ 22:
Yes, it was, according to the author.
HW @ 22:
You're a moron.
HW @ 22:
I highly doubt that anything someone of your intelligence level considers a must see is worth anyone's time.
meritocracy @ 45:
Yes, you are a worthless human being.
eyepennies @ 49:
wow.........dude you need to up your medication contact your physician
Karen @ 47:
Right. "Ended the 2000 primaries" makes no sense!
I think that quote should read, "I think Joe Lieberman just entered the 2004 primaries. "
The implication of course was that Joe was throwing in the towel with his eye towards the next election where he pictured himself at the head of the ticket.
karl @ 50:
me? I'm sorry. I just get sad when I see such ugly, ugly human beings make such sickening remarks. I was taught that wishing death or eternal damnation (in a hell i don't believe in mind you) on even the worst people is not something that good people do.
unless you meant the original poster, in which case, disregard my second comment :) (On second thought it looks like you did, because it was clearly 1000% more reprehensible than mine.)
"I would give the benefit of the doubt to ballots coming in from military personnel, generally,”
Except when your fellow Republicants use voter caging to disenfranchise thousands of minority voters who serve overseas in the military.
Geno @ 21:
Bravo, and a na-na-hey-hey!!!
Lieberpuke's voice is repulsive to me. It reminds me of that creepy actor who played the dad in the teevee show, "ALF." The one about that orange, alien thang. I was forced to watch it because of younger sibs........I hated it because of his whining, simpering, A-SEXUAL, drone...............just like Lieboy's.
Jon @ 23:
because by stabbing gore in the back, and allowing in thousands of illegal ballots (many of these "overseas military" ballots came from within the state) he helped to kill the recount and gore's chances
this whole episode hurt him tho, as did his all out support for bush...his 2004 presidential candidacy died in childbirth
the thing that bothers me, the thing that gets my goat, is why the dnc didnt move there and then to have him removed from every position of power
callous backstabbing bastard
odanny @ 46:
For those who can watch it, www.barnesandnoble.com is taking orders on the DVD of "Recount."
anon @ 29:
In 100% agreement with this. I can't wrap my brain around the fact that he's still a member. What does that say about the party? He is unacceptable and should have been booted when he thumbed his nose at the majority of CT. voters in the primary................KICK HIS ASS OUT, PRONTO.
He's BAD MEDICINE............I know several people very close to me who went from Yellow Dogs to Independents due to this sour ball.
We can all thank Republicans whoring to the oil companies for the collapse of the U.S. auto industry.
So, thanks, short sighted morons. Once again the U.S. is playing catch up to Japan. While the U.S. closes down nearly 3 dozen manufacturing plants the Japanese are posting record auto sales.
It began with the Reagen administration when he took the solar panels off the roof of the White House that Jimmy Carter put up.
They also lobbied for, and got, higher speed limits and gave out tax incentives for the most gas guzzling vehicles on the road.
I guess you reap what you sew.
Mike the Riverine @ 37:
That still doesn't explain why C and L has the quote wrong.
I'm wondering too how in the hell Lieberman got on the ticket? I went to basic training in August of 2000 and didn't get out of BCT and AIT until April of 2001 so I missed that entire election process and couldn't follow it.
eyepennies @ 53:
oh............it's crystal clear
Jon @ 23:
"I think Lieberman just entered the 2004 primaries"
Leiberman should watch his back when in the company of other Dems. Really, I didn't know he was that much of a schmuck. Maybe he and Nancy Pelosi could tag team to protect one another.
I think you should follow your own and MoveOn.
HW @ 22:
Gore should have asked for a full recount - but the truth is he won Florida. The neocons on the Supreme Court practiced what they claim to dread, judical activism, to illegally put Bush II in office. Remember, they said this is a one time only ruling - no precedent.
Al Gore never said he invented the internet - that was a lazy construction by the corporate media. Al Gore was the prime mover in Congress to open to the public an electronic network like that used by the military.
Erich Segal has said that Al and Tipper, along with other people, influenced the creation of some of the characters in Love Story.
Al Gore published Earth in the Balance 8 years ago; but long before that he was a champion of conservation.
I'm sure you are nasty little troll, but just in case - you bought the corpaorate media's campaign that Al Gore is a liar, an exaggerator, Al Gore can't be trusted. And if you don't believe me, read the October, 2007 issue of Vanity Fair in which members of the media admit they were unfair to him.
Shan @ 28:
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but there's a basic fallacy in this assumption that there are two different McCains.
As an example, I've argued with a number of people over the past few years about Lieberman, with me saying that Gore's choice of his as a VP candidate was an incredibly bad one (since he was war-mongering about Iraq long before 2000) and his defenders saying I was just looking at him in retrospect and that he'd "changed" after 9/11.
But stuff like this shows that he was pretty much always a traitor to the Democrats even before 9/11, despite the fact that he'd been the chairman of one of the most important organs of the Clinton political structure, the Democratic Leadership Council right up to the time of his choice as a VP candidate (at which time he continued to run for his Senate seat, just in case). He was always a 'bag.
And McCain's no different. He hasn't changed. He's just more McCainy.
Frieda @ 40:
darrelplant @ 68:
I don't dispute for a second that John McCain has sold his political soul (plus a lot more) for the Republican nomination. Also I don't dispute that the man back then (2000) was also quite capable of the things he's doing now. Obviously nominating him as the Democratic VP candidate would have been first and foremost a political maneuver to try and win. In fact, probably the first and only thing.
A few things I think anyway, had this happened (I know McCain probably wouldn't have said yes) - I'm sure McCain would have pulled at least a few percent of his support to Al Gore. Given the final result, it would have been enough. Secondly, he wouldn't have become what we're now seeing, most likely and could have stayed more like what he (professed to) believed in 2000.
For those wondering how and why Lieberman still holds power it right here:
http://www.stopaipac.org/
And before anyone accuses me of being an anti semite or anti Israel, just remember they can be wrong and self serving too.
To whom does Joe offer up his loyalty? It has become obvious that it is not the people of this country. Is he really a prostitute?
or better, is he a spy? He seems like the guy that would have known about the spies for Israel that have creeped into all the orifices of government.
I wonder if his constituents still want him as their senator?
vic @ 71:
Explain it to me, vic. How AIPAC won the '06 Connecticut Senate election for Lieberman, that is.
oldtree @ 72:
Why don't you help vic explain it to me, oldtree.
This oughta be good.
LIE-berman is a fracking stoopid sum of a witch
Lieberman disproves the old saying about 'keeping your enemies close'.
Men like Lieberman should be marginalized-- not coddled or appeased.
oldtree @ 72:
vic @ 71:
Wow, it's been 20 minutes. I'm sure you guys are just tying up the loose ends of your arguments.
This oughta be really good.
the main reason gore picked lieberman was to pick up the jewish vote in florida. what gore got was the butterfly ballot.
It's kind of depressing to realize that we were guaranteed a neocon VP in 2000 no matter what. I don't see how anybody could think that Al Gore, who was already an extremely stoic, boring sounding guy at the time, should have chosen droopy dog as his running mate. Honestly my brain can't reconcile the Gore/Lieberman ticket without resorting to conspiracy theories.
Ah, never having voted for Joe Lieberman: priceless. Brought to you by NaderCard(tm).
(okay, i would have voted Gore/Lieberman if Kalifornia was anything like in play and my motive was to support the Greens, not aggrandize Ralph, but still...it is the gift that keeps on giving)
It's things like this that have me fearful that the neocons will pull another hat trick in November. We should not expect them to cede power quietly and things are getting a little too quiet lately.
odanny @ 46:
John Adams is absolutely fantastic. I highly recommend it. HBO has done some good work the past few years with John Adams and Rome. Recount was pretty good also but there were some issues left out or passed over (namely that Bush's cousin at Fox News was the first to call the election and they only mention the Brooks Brothers Protestors were Republican Staffers in passing... going over who they were are and the Wayne Newton concert they received would have helped a little).
It's not entirely told from the Democratic point of view though which is why James Baker loved the script:
From Salon:
HW @ 22:
Where did this troll come from? Al Gore said, "I took the initiiative in creating the Internet." He left out two key words, and people jumped all over him like ducks on a June bug. What he meant was "I took the initiative ON THE LEGISLATION creating the Internet." Funny though, when Bush makes even more stupid comments, he gets a pass. Why is that? All because three journalists decided Gore bored them and Bush was more fun to cover in the 2000 race. This is how we got stuck with elimination of Constitutional rights, torture, a war based on lies, the outing of a CIA agent, abandoning the Geneva Convention accords, the highest national debt in history, the highest price of gas in history and the condemnation of the rest of the known world.
Anything for Isreal at any cost.
Mike Nehme @ 79:
A Faustian bargain? I would have to believe that Gore would have almost been forced into this arrangement. There is more than meets the eye for sure, almost hate to ask what.
can someone please explain to me why Joe was chosen as VP candidate in the first place? I seriously believe that Joe costed Gore the blue collar catholic votes badly
Joe @ 84:
Think about this Joe:
Why wouldn't Israel want Lieberman as the Vice President? One heartbeat from the Presidency, and as sneaky-powerful as Israel is- allegedly- they should be able to facilitate that heartbeat with ease.
vic and oldtree seem to be taking their time getting back to me on this. Perhaps you can flesh out how Israel got Lieberman to concede so easily in '00, and how they got him re-elected to his Senate seat in '06.
Fil @ 86:
To win Florida. Really.
dude -why don't you just go back to the creationist museum in whatever butt-f$%# , bush-lovin town you come from.
HW @ 22:
Richard @ 69:
Its Democratic - by the way.
So now can you all accept that Lieberman as potential VP hurt the Democratic ticket in terms of the progressive vote more than Nader's run? And at the time, how much were we all in love with Al Gore? I sure thought he was better than Bush, I would have voted for him if I hadn't been just 17, but most of the progressive support he has now was only gained in the past 7 years. How many of you were actually excited to have Lieberman on the ticket at all? He's gotten worse over the years, but no progressive could have been in love with him even then. Let's just hope the Democrats don't keep shooting themselves in the foot.
Geno @ 36:
Typically White & Bitter Agent Huessein Provocateur @ 30:
Sounds like children talking points. Your brain couldn't have figured that out.
Who do you think introduced the idea that CO2 caused the globe to warm?
The congressional record is available on facts. I suppose you are going to tell me also that Al Gore had nothing to do with Ethanol production also.
Joe Lieberman is to the cener left and is an Independent. He does not belong to either party.
Your foul mouth eliminates you to argue any issue.
"Funny though, when Bush makes even more stupid comments, he gets a pass. Why is that? All because three journalists decided Gore bored them and Bush was more fun to cover in the 2000 race," well personally, i don't believe that for a minute. The press is filled with cowards who would and do sell their integrity, their morals, their very souls for a chance to grab the gold ring. Screw 'em all.
must see video
http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/.....srcID=2036
That was fun. No really. I really enjoyed this video.
I usually don't bother veiwing smear clips by right wing trolls, but after watching it for several minutes, I realized you guys have nothing!
Seriously...you've got nothing!! You repeat his name Barack Hussein Obama over and over to scary music, interspersed with clips by Mann Coulter.
You guys are gonna lose so fucking bad.
casper46 @ 9:
Same here!!!
holy joe is really the lowest "dem" we got
he puts the israeli flag before our nation and if he doesn't STFU with his Obama bashing he should watch his back around DC because Obama isn't a wimp like the rest of our leadership
Fil @ 86:
Because some idiots that call themselves strategists at the DNC and DLC thought it would be a super great idea to get the "jewish vote".
As if the Democrats need to work extra hard for that voting block.
Democrats and strategy is like oil and water.
Hopefully things have changed this year!
We all knew what side LIE-berman was on after his debate with Chanie, you could see what side LIE-berman really was on. That was no Debate it was a love fest for Chanie by LIE-berman.
I have to wonder... when the Democrats make some SERIOUS gains in controlling all 3 branches in November, and Joe is not held to account, will anyone here change their opinion of the Democrats?
I saw one poster say above that it would be a wake-up call to show that the Dems are as bad as the Republicans, and it would time to oust the lot of them. But would it really? Personally, I reached that cynical point a long long time ago. Would something like this really be enough to turn the tide? Or will there always be a new generation of politically naive newcomers who still have faith in their "2" party system?
vic @ 71:
oldtree @ 72:
Joe @ 84:
Throw rocks and run away, huh? If you're going to make accusations like you have, back them up with facts. Not simply the fact that Lieberman accepts campaign donations from AIPAC, but facts that back up the accusations that AIPAC and Israel somehow caused Lieberman to fold in '00 and kept him in the Senate in '06.
I'm a Gentile, and I sure as hell am no fan of Lieberman, but, despite any protests you may have to the contrary, your posts smell like anti-semitism, they read like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
John:
Yes, of course, the bad, bad, bad two party system. I guess that's why you are rooting for any of the other parties we have, aren't you? Why don't you take your cynicism and take it to any of this lot of dopey tinkerers:
Libertarian Party,
Constitution Party,
Green Party,
America First Party,
Centrist Party,
Independence Party of America,
Jefferson Republican Party,
Moderate Party,
Marijuana Party,
Party for Socialism and Liberation,
Peace and Freedom Party,
Prohibition Party,
Reform Party of the United States of America........
When will you "two party system" whiners finally get that it doesn't depend on the number of parties but on the program and personnel of either one. If you're unhappy with the Democrats, change them.
that guy should have been cast as jeb bush
And Harry Reid still kow-tows to that slimey bastard.
I knew Joe was the Democratic Party's Quisling since before this past Congressional election in 2006. I did not know or even dream he occupied that position while were were voting for Gore/Lieberman for President/Vice-President. While they were counting votes in Florida he was support his opponents for the White House. What a dirty rotten traitor. How does he sleep at night? He was hedging his bets. If the Democratic candidates won, he was was vice-president. He was betting that the republicans would award him for his efforts if they won the White House. I keep calling my members of Congress, both in the House and in the Senate, asking them to strip Joe of his committee chairmanship. I understand that he was voted in at the start of the 110th Congress and can't be stripped of this except if he is stripped of his seat. I hope at the start of the 111th Congress he will no longer have any affiliation with the Democratic Party in the Senate, either as a chairman on any committee or in a Democratic Caucus. It will be interest to see if he give a speech at the republican convention this Summer in St. Paul. Will he pull a Zell Miller? In case you don't know Quisling: "quisling |ˈkwizli ng |
noun
a traitor who collaborates with an enemy force occupying their country.
ORIGIN World War II: from the name of Major Vidkun Quisling (1887–1945), the Norwegian army officer and diplomat who ruled Norway on behalf of the German occupying forces 1940–45."
Joe's first loyalty is to Israel, and while both parties kow-tow to the Israeli lobby and AIPAC, the Republicans (and their bible-loving rapture-ready constituents) are more in the pocket of Israel than the Dems. Hence his two-faced-ness when it comes to the Democratic Party.
Yes, this opinion is often construed as some sort of anti-semitism, and may lead to this comment being deleted or me being banned. But someone has to say it. Joe's connection to Israel is the great big elephant in the room which everyone seems intent on not talking about.
Doesn't Holy Joe now call himself an "Independent Democrat"? He made up his own party and the Democrats in the Congress should have made him STOP using the word Democrat in his new made-up party. They should have kicked him to the curb and stripped him of any position he held. And we wonder why the republicans call us wimps.
Has Lieberman gotten any major thing right, ever? He got the VP slot in part because he scolded Clinton. He was dreadful in the VP debate. He's neither right on major issues, nor is he loyal.
Lieberman is a true polititian. He was a Dem now an Independent. They don't think for themselves They think favors for political contribution. Politics of party Agenda has become more important than America. The Majority in congress could pass legislation to reduce gas prices except without high gas prices their bio-fuel and ethanol scheme is a failure. These policies have produce the housing problem, the high gas prices so the can force you out of your can on to light rail transportation.
Its the ecomony "stupid". The third and forth year of the Bush administration the Democrats and John McCain blocked Bush every chance. Just check the congressional record and the passed legislation. 'No kids left behind" written by Teddie Kennedy but not fully funded by the R controled congress.
The war on terror after 9/11 was to kill terriorist where ever they are found.
After 17 santions by the UN did the USA resolve the issue of the Clinton Administrations policy on Iraq of change of leadership. This was accomplished in "shock & awh" The balance is the 5 or 6 separate conflicts fought by the USA Military, "your neighbor. The congress is the problem.
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