I just saw CA's Rep. Jane Harman complement the new bill. She said her constituents begged her not to cave and still she liked this bill.
Crying Boehner is praising the bipartisanship behind it. That tells you all you need to know...Jerrold Nadler attacks it...
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I ,too, saw harman and heard her saw her e-mail was full of messages from constituents saying NO and she'd had 100's of phone calls saying NO.
Where exactly does she get off going completely against what her bosses are telling her?
Buh-BYE, Constitution.
Let the debates go for freedom and democracy, not for fear mongering.
How are we vulnerable?
Annie @ 1:
Maybe she's been reading the blogs that keep referring to politicians as "leaders."
Jane's just showing how to "lead."/snark
Are they handing out brown-boots on the floor of the house now??
Goose stepping soon on the front steps of the capitol building...today??
Time to get out...
Annie @ 1:
She's my representative. I guess it's time to call again,
and let her know if she doesn't vote against HR 6304 I'll
be voting against her, for sure.
they're all crooked, criminal, fascist bastards on both sides of the isle and we're SCREWED!
get ready as this is the year america and democracy as we know it take a huga fall.
america is dead. 2008 will prove to be a most historically tragic year.
Welcome to the new and improved United States of America; land of the formerly free and home of the spineless. Let the new regime of fascism begin. Obviously there will be little difference regardless of who holds the white house or congress. Representative government is dead, unless you're a major corporation who breaks the law.
Not a bad paint job? Hell, they didn't even use the right colors.
SHAME on the so-called Democrats.
It is unbelievable that, before our eyes on C-SPAN, our House "leaders" are shredding the Constitution. Right now.
Call and tell them no. Do it now.
of course harman is going to approve it. she's already betrayed her oath to protect and defend the constitution of the united states. she's complicit in these war crimes.
she complimented the bill she did not complement....remedial English...
If it's not perfect, then don't vote on it.
THIS is why voting for Obama will change NOTHING
This is aget out of jail free card for BushCo. Read the fine print and I'm sure you'll see the "good Samaritan" clause to free private citizens, BushCo.
Just left a message on Pelosi's voice message. Took me over 15 minutes to get through. Very busy this morning, hoping that's a good thing.
Here's the poop from Democracy for America:
As Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi can pull the bill from the floor and refuse to call a vote.
Call Speaker Pelosi right now and demand she stand up to President Bush and stop telecom immunity.
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi
(202) 225-0100
Suggested Script:
"I'm calling to tell Speaker Pelosi I am depending on her to pull any bill from the floor that will ultimately grant immunity to telecommunications companies who illegally spied on Americans. Can I count on Speaker Pelosi to stand up to President Bush?"
Naturally I improvised on the message but if enough calls come in, who knows.
Unity for corporate interests.
Get use to it, you should be by now.
Like I've said it before, the problem with our current system is not just the republicans, but it's the democrats and the political class that's emerged since the new deal the newt put together in the 90's. I wish I could be a politician for 10 years and then get out to a lobbying position (which is mostly carrying envelops of cash to politicians) gig that pays 7 figures a year - for what ? Lewis Black said it best about the politicians/rich people in our country - they are so uncreative (recent policy is evidence of this) - second houses, whores, etc - and they are sinking our collective ship.
Where is the dissention that made us great ?!$%@ Keep your guns friends, I'm swimming to the new shore and hoping to make something new, but just for myself, but for the people of this country that still believe we can be modest, respectful, innovative, and creative forces in this modern world that no politician understands - Ted Stevens said that the internet is a series of tubes... I rest my case.
k
Those days are not behind us. We face it every day.
and isn't it so thoughtful of congress to destroy the civil rights of americans just two weeks before independence day.
perhaps some celebrations could be organized around this momentous event.
This bill will give President Obama near dictatorial powers- he will be able to direct individuals to break the law without impunity, with only the most meaningless rubber stamp to be added later in a classified ruling by a castrated federal court- which will not review any evidence but simply take orders from the Attorney General. CALL 866-675-2008 (dial 6 then 0) and tell Barack Obama that you expect him to take a strong stand against this bill. His conflict of interest in not opposing it would be rather obvious.
the dems were extra-thrilled to regain control of the congress....
to which i ask, so? with dems like hoyer, pelosi, reid, harman who needs the GOP? what has changed?
take a looky at jane harman's top donors:
Edison International $17,250
Northrop Grumman $7,500
Boeing Co $7,000
National Cable & Telecommunications Assn $7,000
Raytheon Co $7,000
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00006750
taking money and passing legislation for energy, war profiteers and telecoms...
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BIG BROTHER is here to stay. Aided and abetted by the Democratic leadership. Where is Obama? Is he one of them too? He studied Constitutional law. But at one of the most conservative law schools in the country.
Put another S in USSA.
Big John @ 15:
No, voting for McCain will certainly change nothing.
Voting for Obama MIGHT change a few things, and, of course, having the first African-American President is a new change in and of itself.
With the permission of the moderator, please go to:
www.aol.com
There is a poll there asking who is more honest, Obama or McCain...the right wing nuts are bombarding and currently have Obama at 59% as 'less honest than McCain.' Please pass this around and get those numbers where they should be.
Restore the Constitution @ 26:
Obama is in the senate.
Jane Harman needs to be fired in November. So does anybody else who supports this bill.
The democrats - elected saviors of America - have just stabbed America in the back with a knife bearing Pelossi's finger prints.
Forget O'Bama, freedom isnt returning.
Try calling GOP senators that are in real danger i.e. Ted Stevens or retiring i.e. Larry Craig.
This is their last chance to redeem themselves & leave a legacy that is something other than shameful.
I live in Penna. in Jim Gerlachs district. I made it clear to all the dems I called:
A: there is allways Ralph Nader
B: Gerlach has only won by 1% in his last 2 elections, do you guys really want to alienate me & others like me.
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/power_rankings/overall.tt
Man, the Republicans must be high-fiving all over the place. Who would have thought they'd get everything and more with a Dem MAJORITY!!
We've crossed over into Bizarro World.
As someone who lives in Harman's district, she is listening to her bosses. Her district has a high concentration of defense firms, Northrup Grumman, Boeing, Teledyne, etc. Those are her true constituents.
The rest of us who have to live and deal with the repercussions of her decisions don't matter to her in the slightest.
theWalrus @ 27:
That's the truth of it. IF McCain is selected president we ARE royally and totally screwed. May be the same outcome with Obama but at least it's not a guarantee that we're screwed.
Can't speak for the rest of you but I'm not going down without a fight. Not the least bit interested in spending the rest of my life as a wholly owned corporate vassal, thanks but no thanks.
Pelosi - is she a Republican or Democrat?
She was yielded 1 minute and has gone on for 6 minutes spewing out White House talking points.
harley @ 36:
She's a Republicrat.
Everyone is bitching and moaning about this but no one has bothered to let this sink in.
The telecom companies can not get amnesty unless they provide hard documentation that the President ordered illegal actions.
It's a trap, but does congress have the balls to actually spring it?
What about the immunity clause?
Ron @ 29:
Obama pulled the same trick in Illinois. Never votes on bills that are controversial.
theWalrus @ 33:
What we know the secretive republicans have done is criminal. What we dont know they have done is probably worse.
Remember they (or someone that has never been investigated) attempted to murder Daschle and Waxman with militarized anthrax from a base in Maryland and Bolton was not confirmed because he wouldnt reveal what information he was given by Rice - who was in charge of the NSA at the time and we now know was performing domestic espionage.
The democrats are either :
1) In fear of their lives
2) Are being blackmailed
3) Are onboard
... I'm guessing 3 for the most part.
Chicken Hussein Little - NOT!! @ 17:
And how will she pull it off the floor if she is for the bill?
theWalrus @ 37:
She is gone on for 9 minutes. Now she is defending Bush.
Jeez Obama is starting to freak me ou t(still my prefered candidate over McSame)
First backing supporters of illegal wiretapping:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/19/obama/index.html
and now, reaching out and surrounding himself with only pro-imperialistic-plunder-wars:
http://thismodernworld.com/4360
ffakr @ 38:
haha -- that's a rhetorical question i suspect. but, just in case. no.
harley @ 40:
The bill is not in the senate. It's in the house.
harley @ 36:
one would need a scanning electron microscope to tell the difference.
she, and other dems-reps like her, are part of the "for-sale" party. their views, their honor, their votes, their integrity might as well be on ebay... oh, silly me, that would actually allow normal people to sway their opinion.
Why would the telecoms need immunity if they didn't break any laws?
anon @ 41:
My bet's on number 3
That being said I can't beleive the repubs want to give this kind of power to a Democratic President. Maybe that is what Nancy wants, to be able to listen to the repubs as much as they have been listening to her!
Doesn't Cheney have a private office in the building? Wasn't it purported to be loaded with listening devices? Wonder what kind of shredding contract they'll have to give Haliburton after November!
Wright was right.
God damn them all.
That's it. I'm done with the Dems. This capitulation is a knife in the back for all who supported them when they were taking heat for being soft on national security. No money. No more telling my friends and co-workers that the Dems are better then the Repubs. Fuck them. They can all eat a dick.
sandiegodan @ 11:
It's enough to make you puke.
And when the forces of darkness close in on the building once known as the United States Congress and the legislators are put in Gitmo, will they wonder then "what happened?"
theWalrus @ 27:
Classic glass half full/empty situation. Start accepting baby steps to change, people, because it's the best you can hope for.
Well I guess i'm going to vote for sheehan in the senate primary now... useless protest vote though it will be.
And another reason not to contribute to the Obama campaign right now.
"Well I guess i’m going to vote for sheehan in the senate primary now… useless protest vote though it will be."
Wait I already did so in the primary. heh.
Eh, I guess i'll just be skipping it in the general.
theWalrus @ 27:
Yes, definitely. The pig's lips will be a nice bright new color.
Pelosi basically said the Constitution gave the President the right to wire tap.
Those that give up freedom for security, deserve neither.
She is an enabler.
theWalrus @ 27:
Come on...ya gotta be kidding me...and how about another Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court while we at it. Spike Lee as Pres MIGHT change a few things...Corporately owned main stream politicians change NOTHING.
Che's Lounge @ 55:
Voting for a Republican saves you the grief of having the hope things will change.
harley @ 58:
I voted for Kucinich in the CA primary. My conscience is clear. But the Dems have lost me unless something dramatic happens.
If you're willing to throw in the towel, not vote, etc., you'll have only yourself to blame in the end.
Exotic Blue Lensman @ 60:
That's bullshit.
Obama taught Constitutional Law at Harvard for ten years, why is he not stopping this?
As leader of the Democratic Party he could end this with a phone call to Pelosi or at the very least he could give a speech opposing it in time for that speech to matter.
I think it's time for our honeymoon with Sen. Obama to end, he's been getting "the benefit of the doubt" from progressives, we all know that he has to move more to the center in the general election but there are some core values that can not be compromised and one of those happens to be the protection of the constitution. Sure we want Obama to win but it looks like he's going to make us fight for what we want to protect such as civil liberties just like the rest of them do.
If he hides from this issue then I think we'll all understand that Obama is not the answer to our problems, he's just another politician we are going to have to fight with in Washington.
said it all along the dems and repigs should eat shit and die!
Exotic Blue Lensman @ 60:
Pelosi spent 10 minutes spewing the Constitution gave Bush the authority to wire tap.
If Obama is elected she and Reid will put him on a lease and lead him up and down the street.
Hoyer is up, and letting the bullshit fly!
Pelosi and Hoyer have it wrong about the telecom immunity. Kucinich doesn't even have it right.
The goal of the lawsuits is not to simply "find out what happened to make sure it never happens again." We need to prove that the laws are there to be followed. The problem is the message sent by the immunity measure itself. No matter how good this law might be, what is accomplished with passing laws if you send a clear message that the laws need not be obeyed?
That's whats being done here, and in that sense, this is not simply a four-year provision. It sends a decades long signal that laws are subordinate to the authority of the president. That is far too dangerous to be considered.
Che's Lounge @ 61:
Oh, you're right, what was I thinking?!? Let's all stay home or vote for McCain and destroy the SCOTUS for the remainder of our lives.
Bison @ 62:
Damnit, Ive said this 3 times. Obama is in the senate. The bill is in the house. If you don't know the diference, don't comment.
Che's Lounge @ 61:
No it's not. Who's going to change anything if we're not going to? You're just going to roll over like a pussy and give in to the thieving, lying bastards and then claim you're blameless in the disaster?
Here's the truth, you've only lost when you quit. As long as you get back up from whatever gets thrown your way and take another shot you're still in the game. You quit, then you're the loser.
That's NOT bullshit.
Compliment, not "complement". Different words, different meanings.
Dennis Kucinich spoke on this bill and, as usual, showed us what a patriot is.
harley @ 64:
Apparently, many of you believe things cannot get any worse. A McCain presidency will ultimately result in this FISA issue being a very small one.
Time to put some of that money collected to work against Jane Harman. She does not listen to her constituents but is in the pocket of the telecom lobbysits.
BobD @ 48:
Remember the 5 million emails that they 'lost'? The drives of the systems they may have come from or may have been sent to have been physically crushed.
weve won nothing ,nothing ,nothing ,nothing , the democrats are only republicans with different party symbols , a fucking donkey and a fucking elaphant , nothing ,nothing!
Exotic Blue Lensman @ 72:
We're in a hole, we just got to keep digging?
If the Boner likes a bill, that's almost enough to know that it should be oppossed.
I think we need to find out how to repeal laws and start a drive to repeal this and another of other laws as soon as the election is over.
On CSPAN they are talking callers about the FISA bill. All 3 lines (R, D, I) are talking callers that are disgusted this bill is passing.
285 no votes with 6 minutes remaining in the vote.
i meant, "and other laws," sorry.
Dr. Acula @ 80:
145 yea 44 nay
This Communist, Jane Harman is the original sponsor of H.R. 1955, Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007.
It is the bill that defines anyone with a "Extreme Belief System" as a terrorist and radical.
ex·treme (k-strm)
adj.
1. Most remote in any direction; outermost or farthest: the extreme edge of the field.
2. Being in or attaining the greatest or highest degree; very intense: extreme pleasure; extreme pain.
3. Extending far beyond the norm: an extreme conservative. See Synonyms at excessive.
4. Of the greatest severity; drastic: took extreme measures to conserve fuel.
be·lief (b-lf)
n.
1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever.
2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies belief.
3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.
sys·tem (sstm)
n.
1. A group of interacting, interrelated, or interdependent elements forming a complex whole.
2. A functionally related group of elements
3. An organized set of interrelated ideas or principles.
4. A social, economic, or political organizational form.
5. A naturally occurring group of objects or phenomena: the solar system.
6. A set of objects or phenomena grouped together for classification or analysis.
7. A condition of harmonious, orderly interaction.
8. An organized and coordinated method; a procedure. See Synonyms at method.
9. The prevailing social order; the establishment. Used with the: You can't beat the system.
So, since the main sponsor was Jane, does her stance on FISA REALLY surprise anyone-obviously, she knows the road to Fascism very well. Hiel Harman!
Dr. Acula @ 80:
138 DEM no votes. WTF?
All the gains I thought we had made against an imperial presidency and corporate rule were illusory. Saddest. Day. Ever.
Boner was crying because he just shit his pants.
a woman on the phone now says she called harman's office and was HUNG UP ON!
15 calls on CSPAN not one person agrees with this vote.
harley @ 88:
16 - Rep on the line - she is so mad sounds like she is spitting.
Repeal FISA!
So, now what. They left the Telecoms off the hook, they broke the law and now they didn't retroactive. I wish I could do that with speeding tickets.
But doesn't this mean they have to stop now? They can no longer tap me? Or will they just continue to do it and get another retroactive law passed in a few more years?
This is horrible, the rich dudes don't have to follow the law cause they make it, damn.
YEA SURE @ 91:
Unless i am mistaken this furthers their abiltiy to wire tap. Am i wrong?
Buck Fush!
"...There's no evidence that people's right's are being violated..."
No shit! It's a SECRET!
I am so sick to my stomach and depressed that I literally wanted to stay home this morning and pull the covers over my head. My work colleagues cannot seem to grasp the implications.... "If you haven't done anything wrong, why would you care about this?" Aaarrrrggghhhh......................
kucinich and a third party, fuck the democrats
Do we need any further proof that our elected officials don't give a shit what their constituents think?!!!!!!
xoites defends Constitution @ 92:
Yes, and it removes 99.9% of the accountability and blocks any legal remedies or consequences for abuse.
xoites defends Constitution @ 94:
"If and when that evidence becomes available, we will remove those rights."
106 "Dems" vote yea. FUCK YOU!
rebmarks @ 95:
Oh, they are talking about that guy that lives in Oregon. They are right, he has nothing to worry about.
The rest of us are sinners.
In any case, privacy and our right to it is part of the foundation of the country we used to live in.
U.S.A. has jumped the shark.
THE BILL HAS PASSED. Good bye, America. It's been nice knowing you.
What the fucK? Now they are removing their names as co sponsors!
Exotic Blue Lensman @ 99:
No, they'll destroy the evidence and claim 'national security'. The US is steadily marching towards a north american version of the USSR and all of its evils.
xoites defends Constitution @ 104:
heh heh its all going acording to plan b! its not my bill!
pa.the.tic.
maybe the senate will block it?
tyree @ 106:
"I am so proud of this bill i never want my name associated with it in any way."
We need a list of names and a Hall of Shame.
*sigh* Well, good bye 4th amendment. It was nice knowing you while it lasted.
To see my country fall apart before my eyes... I can say I never thought it would be something I could say....
YEA SURE @ 108:
heh heh can you say rubber stamp?
My Congressman is for it. He's frickin' Goof Davis. Need I say more? Don't go forward with this, sheeple. NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Two term congressional limits would dampen the corruption.
I recommend that the Democrats move Hoyer, Pelosi, Harman and Rockefeller out ASAP (next election) along with any other congressional members bent on eroding the constitutional rights of Americans.
This is a disgusting show of weakness.
“…There’s no evidence that people’s right’s are being violated…”
Then why do they need immunity?
YEA SURE @ 108:
Yeah, sure.
I'm not gonna hold my breath.
Where's the senate verison? In order for this work, doesn't the senate have to pass a similar bill? If they don't then, the bill can't come into play, right?
I think the Democrats and Republicans who vote for this, know they're guilty of allowing the dissolution of our freedoms and they're just covering their collective asses.
This bill absolves a company from liability if requested by the 'president'.
Consider corporations - say ... blackwater ... spying for Bush under contract (no bid of course). Did I just describe presidential contracts to spy on the public? Wouldnt this satisfy the bills requirements? A contract would satisfy presidential request.
Mike @ 113:
We do have term limits, we call it the voting booth. We need to start using it.
Perhaps another revolution is what is needed?
Bison @ 62:
The best you can expect from Obama is, maybe, if the opportunity even arises,
that he might nominate some better people to be justices of the Supreme Court.
When the legislative body changes the rule of law to make the illegal legal, the republic is doomed to failure.
YEA SURE @ 108:
There you go hoping again.
ThunderMonkey @ 116:
They are indeed. They are worried about being prosecuted.
The laws will always favor the elite because they're the ones who make the laws.
Ryoko @ 105:
I think you mean China. Here's the whole game plan, spelled out in vivid detail:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/20797485/chinas_allseeing_eye...
the criminals congratulate each other, puke puke puke!
Meanwhile after covering the opening testimony of Scott McClellan he is finally back but not on tv.
You can watch here.
Now it is on CSPAN 2
Truly disgusting to watch Blount and Hoyer congratulating each other on all the hard work that went into passing this bill. I live in MD, but not in Hoyer's district. I apologize for this piss-poor excuse for a democrat and a "leader". Fascism has come to America.
larkztongue @ 83:
You started off calling her a communist and by the end are calling her a fascist,
I must conclude that you have no idea what either Communism or Fascism are and are simply using them as ad hominem attacks.
I must again say, having been been confronted with this new evidence of both Democratic and Republican parties being simply different faces of the same ruling corporate class, that the times call for the formation of a revolutionary party of the working class.
I'm sure progressive Democrats can find a Ned Lamont-like, grass-roots character to un-seat Pelosi. She needs to go.
At least I can say that my entire state delegation (MA) voted against this appallingly anti-American bill....
The Corporate Media is calling this a 'FISA overhaul'.
Retch!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amendment I
Congress shall make
nolaw$ respecting an establishment of religion, orprohibitingthe free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech (into ZONED SECTORS), or of the press(if they want access); or the right ofthe peopleto be labeled a threat when the people peaceably assemble, and to petition the government(on deaf ears) for a redress of grievances.Amendment II
A well regulated militia(and MERCENARY), being necessary to the security of a free state(Or any other Nation Occupied), the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall
notbe infringed. (soon to be amended)Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house(TWOT ensures no peace, so quarter away!),
withoutthe consent of the owner(does not matter, it's National Security), nor in time of war(except TWOT), but in a manner to be prescribed by law(of the moment).Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.(The Government is looking out for you, that is what matters...)Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.(Guilty until you can prove your innocence, and since you're guilty, you have no right to retain property, Liberty, or even your life if you should die from torture.)Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall(NOT!) enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed(or GITMO, whichever is more politically expedient...), which district shall have been previously ascertained by law(MCA of 2006),
and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him(along with testimony derived through torture); to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses (against him)in his favor, and to have(be denied) the assistance of counsel for his defense.Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. (unless it's eminent domain, then the State reserves the right to say F.O./see Amendment III)
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall
notbe required,norexcessive fines imposed,norcruel and unusual punishments inflicted. (Torture is ethical and necessary to maintain order...)Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall
notbe construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the
states respectively, or to the people(military tribunals and secret courts).FISA debate!!??? What fucking debate... From what I hear... It's all a done deal... In the finest smoke filled backroom tradition... Our duly elected democratic congress and our duly criminal executive branch swapping spit and backpatting each other all the way to their incessant summer break...
I'd call it a cavein but that would infer that there was actually some kind of fight to prevent it.. And I now don't think there was ever any such contest... The only fight or debate if you will, was apparently in just how to package and sell it in such a way that these 'people' responsible for it, could avoid the fallout...
What a pack of weasels, every last one who voted for this abomination......Oh and Boehner??? You can turn off the waterworks ya prick... Ya won asshole, you won and we're ALL screwed right along with the bill of rights..Fuck it... Just fuckitall!!!!. Disgusted doesn't even come close to how I feel about this shit........JD
Alice xHussein Chomsky Nader @ 133:
It's a Fourth Amendment overhall...
... U N C O N S T I T U T I O N A L!!!
It's an assault on our FREEDOM to be secure from our Government...
... U N C O N S T I T U T I O N A L!!!
IT IS TYRANNY!!!
IT is ANTITHETICLE to America, Her People and Principles.
It is an ACT of TREASON!!!
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Dear California,
Why is Jane Harmin' America?
Does she Represent you?
Sincerely,
America
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When the State fears the people, that is called Democracy...
When the people fear the State, that is called TYRANNY!
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tyree@96;
I'm with you pal... I think it's about time to get behind that kind of idea.... I'll vote Obama this time, because there is no alternative, but IF Kucinich would put together a creditable team and infrastructure geared towards a third party candidacy for the next election??? I will be soooo there... This FISA shit is just about the last straw for me. As far as Pelosi's personal involvement in all this and other efforts to not set tables?? I'm done with her right along with Feinstein. I will vote for Sheehan to replace Pelosi even though Cindy probably doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell, and as far as Feinstein??? If she even ran again for anything, I'd vote for a warm bottle of spit over her................JD
We are heading to a one world order and that meant one religion, one economy, one political leader of the world and one religious leader of the world from Rome.
The rich will have wine and oil as it is written by the prophets of the old. It is the poor and the middle class that are/will be persecuted and tried.
Both houses are in it. The fate of the future president is in the hands of the lawmakers.
I am sure Bush has no power whatsoever.
Chicken Hussein Little - NOT!! @ 69:
Thanks coach. We'll see. Besides, I've already been disenfranchized by our electoral system. I live in CA and overall the Dems rule here. Up until now I have been part of that phenomenon. No more.
Billy @ 7:
You'll have lots of company - including me. I am beyond disgusted at how our Representatatives ignore us and then pander for our votes at election time. We need to clean Congress out and start over and vote not merely by name, but by voting record - which unfortunately, very few of us do.
Verizon "Can we hear you now w/immunity?" Yes we can.
linda@12 'she’s complicit in these war crimes.'
Oversight to CYA-slight. No duh Harman likes the bill she was briefed on the criminal wiretap program years ago and approved (along w/Pelosi, Sen. Rockefeller, Sen. Roberts-Gang of 8-who were forbidden from telling anyone else). Rather than expose the Executive and their own roles in failing to fully brief Congress, i.e. the WHouse lie of "Congress was briefed at least a dozen times on the program," they chose to CYA.
Dr. Acula@30... legalizing crimes
(search page prior to posting, someone had noted "compliment")
Dem. leadership also believe the Constitution is a goddamned piece of paper. After legalizing torture, rendition, and criminal detention w/Military Commissions Act, they pass this beauty to nix 4th amend. rts to be "secure in our persons, papers, and effects"
If "a wiretap requires a court order" per Bush, Why do politicians and telcos need immunity?
Money talks: Buy Qwest and Tmobile, boycott guilty telcos Verizon, ATT, Sprint.
the walrus@27 'first African-American President is a new change '
skin deep aint real change.
Embittered-Max-Hussein-1 @ 138:
Rave On Embittered Max!!!!
Exotic Blue Lensman @ 52:
We are being engulfed, swallowed whole as a country by a fascist movement in both parties.
Power back to the states is the only point of power that can work. the times of baby steps are long past and would have been appropriate 40 years ago. Not now.
H. Con. Res. 362 is another stepping stone to war against Iran,
brought to you by the Republicans and their loyal subservient Democrat lackeys in the house.
Its pretty obvious now that certain lobby groups and their puppets in DC are engineering the next phase in the ME war.
Obviously, the spineless dems think that by giving Bushco everything they want they can appease the fascists and they'll accept the November elections and quietly leave.
They're in for a big surprise.
It should be clear by now that Bush knocked off Hussein because he was jealous of the competition.
Exactly what is Harman complementing the bill with?
GET A PROOF READER.
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