Kristol says Bush might bomb Iran if he thinks Obama will win
By John Amato Saturday Jun 21, 2008 1:30pm
If there was a website for warmongering porn, Kristol would be the webmaster. He's fantasizing about this a great deal I'm sure. He must spend hours upon hours with sweaty palms and tired fingers surfing the net for hot---new--nekkid---bomb Iran porn. Is it free, Bill?
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Kristol. I think honestly, if the president felt John McCain were going to be the next president he would think it more appropriate to let the next president make that decision than do it on his way out. I do wonder with Sen. Obama, if president Bush thinks Sen, Obama win does he somehow think that, does he worry that Obama won't follow through on the policy...
WALLACE: So, you're suggesting that he might in fact, if Obama's going to win the election, either before or after the election---launch a military strike?
Kristol: I don't know. I think he would worry about it. On the other hand, you can't, it's hard to make foreign policy based on guesses about election results...
As usual he's ridiculous. Obama will be strong on National security and the fact that these discredited conservative punkits still get to voice an opinion is frustrating all by itself. We should ask William the Bloody where that WarPorn chat room is... A bunch of warmongers have been speculating on Bush's plans to attack Iran for quite sometime.
The claim that Obama's potential election could force Bush's hand also isn't new. Earlier this month, far-right pseudo scholar Daniel Pipes told National Review Online that "President Bush will do something" if the Democratic nominee won. "Should it be Mr. McCain that wins, he'll punt," said Pipes.
Both Kristol and Pipes apparently agree with President Bush's claim in March that McCain's "not going to change" his foreign policy.









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somebody please silence this usless fucktard.
Where are these magical planes to bomb Iran coming from, Herr Kristol?
Kristol obviously read Matt taibbi's book and has answered the question, "how much BULLSHIT can the American public hear before their heads explode?"
The bullshit is apparently over and they will just come out and say, "Yes, this is what happens next".
"No more excuses, no more propaganda, this is the agenda, you are next little man!" says Kristol.
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General_Rennenkampf @ 2:
He drew them in crayon!!!
This man should be chased out of D.C. by children throwing rotten tomatoes at him... What a waste of air. I can't believe there are people out there that actually view this asshole and his neo-conservative allies as intellectuals...
Then we have nothing to worry about, because Dubya is probably delusional enough to think McCain might win.
LIttle Billy seems to get his jollies by envisioning war with all its suffering and death.
Sick, little warmongering chickenhawk.
3 wars at a time? What could possible go wrong?
If we attack Iran they will throw everything they have at the Saudi Oil terminals.
Our economy will collapse and our cars will become unusable except for the rich.
Of course lets not forget how many thousands will die.
But I'm sure it will be worth it to allow Israel to run our foreign policy and keep their monopoly on nuclear weapons in the Middle East....
If we go to war with Iran I'm liquidating all my stocks into cash and hoarding gasoline.
"Kristol: I don’t know. I think he would worry about it. On the other hand, you can’t, it’s hard to make foreign policy based on guesses about election results…"
It's dumb as dog feces to make a statement like that. It's also dumb as dog feces to make foreign policy based on guesses about election results.
Plus, bummer! Now he spoiled the surprise.
This would be like a new tradition -- Republicans handing power over to Democratic successors must start a clusterfuck military engagement immediately before leaving the White House. Bush Senior gave Clinton Somalia to deal with, and now Junior will give Obama Iran -- as if Iraq weren't enough.
HAH !!
But in his pee sized brain it OK to go on National TV and spout out garbage like the above quote? I can't think of the right sounding word for this guy, despicable is too mild, contemptible, nope, fiendish?, nope, maybe Machiavellian?
redratio1 @ 9:
great post!!
kristol listen to obama's AIPAC speech he said he would protect israel and all options are on the table
Cowboy diplomacy.
China and Russia let them know what would happen if they bomb Iran.
They will protect their oil interests now that Iraq's oil is ours.
Nuking Iran would certainly satisfy this guy.
Never before have I met someone so hateful.
Since Bill Kristol has been consistently wrong about everything he has predicted since he learned to type, he will be wrong about the USA attacking Iran.
It will be Israel that attacks Iran. Two weeks ago, oil shot up to an all time high on the comment by Israel's transport minister that "an attack on Iran is now unavoidable".
Last week, Israel ran military excercises to prepare for their upcoming attacks on Iran's nuclear enrichment facilities.
It could not be more obvious what is about to happen. My hope is that it does not expand into a larger exchange that draws everyone in and costs more innocent lives.
We all knew it, but these sorts of comments completely confirm what an unhinged unapologetic and completely dangerous war-monger B Kristol is. hes such a war criminal he doesnt know it. i have no use for him at all. may he be taken to Romania and worked over by some secret police somewhere. and whats left of him dump in the polluted black sea. imagine anyone listening to sweet nukings like he spews out! what a useless and failure of a human being.
"With the next president having the opportunity to take military action if possible."
So much for military force as a last resort.
As bad as his statement is, he is probably right.
Wash621 @ 4:
Sorry...Billy has that effect on people.
Kristol needs to be locked up for being an enemy of the state
Hey Bill, if you're really so concerned over Iran and what they might or might not have the capability of doing, where is your outrage at us having spent 5 YEARS in Iraq playing pin the tail on the donkey?
Does Bush hold any responsibility for that catastrophic mistake, while the alleged center of all Evil has gotten of scot-free?
Let me guess...
Well since Ms Pelosi took impeachment off the table there's no down side in anything for Bush. Pelosi and Reid are enabling Bush in this one too.
It's like they said a long time ago, "Do whatever you want until January 20th, 2009 and we'll get the money and the votes to back you up." So far they have.
The only thing that will stop Bush is knowing that he will face criminal charges if he makes such a decision without the advice and consent of congress. In his mind he already has carte blanche.
General_Rennenkampf @ 2:
ISRAEL?
redratio1 @ 9:
The smart (read "special interest", Beltway, DC lobbies) money will be way head of you.
If Mr. Bush were to start a war with Iran, between now and Mr. Obama's inauguration, without serious provocation from Iran I think we would all have to consider forcing him into exile. If Mr. Bush were to start a war with Iran between Mr. Obama's election and inauguration I feel as though Obama would be left with no choice but to try Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice, et al with treason and war crimes. There would be no choice but to have these criminals hanging by the end of a rope after they are convicted.
pissed off patricia @ 10:
WAIT! There's another Imusta Been Lazy tape.
redratio1 @ 9:
Bad move. Sell your stocks but do not convert your equity into Dollars, the Dollar will fall even more than your stocks did. Convert your equity into Gold ,Platinum, or any non-US Dollar currency such as the Euro, Australian Dollar, or Yen.
Bobdog @ 11:
YEAH! A family tradition.
President PNACcio @ 29:
excellent point!
No one, and I mean no one, can doubt Senator Obama's love for our country. Anyone willing to step in and try to fix things after this bunch of crooks leaves the white house is either crazy as hell or completely dedicated to making our world a better place. I'm pretty sure Senator Obama isn't crazy.
For McCain it'll be much easier. Bush will just slide out of the driver's seat and McCain will slide in.
the scary truth is that boosh2 really wants to leave a mess in place that the next president cannot undo. assjacket kkkristol might be right.
So, what BK is suggesting is that bush is capable of taking the country into war based on...political scenarios?
Would that not be a war crime?
Oh yeah, thaaaaaaaat's never happened before, right? I mean, you know, Bush didn't pull the Marines out of Fallujah for no reason and hold them off from attacking until three days after the election in '04.
That was just coincidence... absolutely nothing to do with the fear of heavy casualties and what that might do to the popularity of the Iraq war and the person(s) who started it.
Ya know, Bill has a point. If we were to bomb Iran into charcoal the rest of the "Islam-o-fascists" would see the error of their ways and and let us get on with drinking their milkshake in peace. Give Charcoal A Chance
Lollimom @ 34:
To quote cheney, "So?" War crimes do not bother super bush. Just like laws and rules of any sort don't bother him. He has his trusty companion, signing statement, at his side. Signing statement allows him to do anything he wants to do.
Hopefully our military will refuse to start a new war 2 or 3 months before the new president takes office.
Kristol "It's not just Israel using nuclear weap.. for... ( heh heh.. excuse me..) using force against Iran..."
uh... nice gaffe
LNS
Just Hussein Of It @ 1:
this is the most honest statement kristol's ever made.
another disciple of a philosophy NEOCON that the elite should use deception,religous ferror and perpetual war to control the ignorant masses.
this is what scott mcClellen is telling us when he mentions the perpetual propaganda(deception)...about the war.bill kristol is part of this deception he is an mad scientist type he is highly educated and believes the masses don't understand the importance of darwian capitalism/global domination...they may feel we need to fear russia/china/india.
That's tantamount to making a threat don't ya think. It's like saying, "either vote for my guy or else I'll bomb someone". How sick. Why does Kristol continue to get air time?? The man is twisted beyond belief.
saudi arabia and egypt using nukes against israel?
did KKKristol say that?
do Saudis and egypt have nukes and delivery systems?
WTF?????
Spicegal @ 42:
I think we have a right to worry about him as the voice of boosh. I don't want him silenced.
Bush bombing Iran=$15.00 per gallon
get your Prius now!
pissed off patricia @ 37:
I thought for sure that your "trusty companion" would be accomplice Nancy Pelosi, who has pardoned bush of all past and future crimes.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over DIEBOLD! @ 25:
I sincerely hope Israel doesn't do that, as Iran will know who allowed it, and if they hit us when we have literally nothing to stop them, and not-so-coincidentally give the Insurgency a boost...
No, Israel had best decide to leave Iran alone.
Wow that was quick. Already people are back to kissing Obama's a$$.
How do you know he won't bomb Iran himself?
Even if he said he wouldn't (which he hasn't) we all know what his word is worth.
It isn't worth the spit it's spoken with.
Hey Billy -- Israel is on the phone and they want you to head on over to be suited up and armed with a rifle.
We are sick and tired of you Zionists -- we are not your pawns to be used to settle age-old religious quarrels. You want to destroy Muslims, then go do it. Count the USA out on this one.
So if we all vote for Sen. Obama, bush will blow the hell out of Iran? But if we all vote for McCain, McCain will blow the hell out of Iran? Sounds like another plan from hell to me.
If Iran needs bombing so badly, why wait for the elections and just do it now? Perhaps the reason is that McCain wants to have his very own war and if he wins, bush will give him the chance to have it.
General_Rennenkampf @ 2:
Oh we have plenty of planes and bombs. It's soldiers we don't have.
In the 1980s, there was an 8 year war between Iran and Iraq. Iraq was Iran's biggest national security threat. Prior to the Iraq war 2, Bush labeled Iran as part of an "axis of evil". The neocons had to have known that eliminating Sunni control of Iraq would solve Iran's national security problem with Iraq, and enhance Iran's standing in the region. So, I think that Iran was targeted, back in 2003, for war, as soon as the 6 month cakewalk wars with Iraq and Syria were done. Of course, it seems that the neocons *slightly* miscalculated how long and expensive Iraq would become. But there is no way that the neocons undertook their Middle East strategy with an outcome benefiting Iran. So, in 2003, I believe the plan was to invade Iran when the ground troops were freed up in Iraq. I think this bombing is kind of a salvage operation, now that the troops are bogged down.
So, yep, if "♫♫ bomb, bomb, bomb,... bomb, bomb Iraq ♫♫" McCain is elected, Bush will defer, because, as the Lieberman slobbering shows, McCain embraces the neocon agenda. However, there is no assurance with Obama of what the future may hold for the neocon goals.
Anyway, I think Israel will bomb, and the U.S. will take a supplemental role.
Lollimom @ 46:
As I hit "submit comment" I thought the same thing. It should have been Nan.
Oh, to those saying convert your stocks into Gold or something? Don't do that.
Did you know that in times of economic crisis it's legal for the US government to seize gold and other precious metals owned by the populace, without compensation?
Look it up. It's true. Unless you plan to flee the country once you've cashed in.
Kanan @ 45:
yup......if they bomb iran they will bomb their oil production infrastructure
Chuck U @ 51:
That may be true, but planes are worth jack shit in this scenario. Why? The bombings of Yugoslavia couldn't knock out Serbs with 0 protection, and Iran's been observing our tactics since 2001.
A bombing of Iran would be ineffectual, and then they'll give us the ground war we don't want and can't afford.
Man these people need to be examined by qualified medical professionals and get help for their condition, they are seriously disturbed individuals
I suspect that the greater Obama's lead over McCain, the more we'll hear the neocons talk about how important it is for Iran to be "dealt with".
We must keep those war dollars flowing.
Endless wars, endless war profits.
karl @ 55:
Then they will have yet another reason to say there should be offshore drilling. They are going to stuff that fu*king idea down the throat of as many Americans as possible.
To those who have correctly predicted it will be Israel who launches a first strike against Iran, let me add one further long term prediction for you.
When enough years have gone by (maybe 20 or so) the commonly accepted history will be that Israel responded to Iranian acts of aggression, and did not strike first.
Just look at how the 6 day war of 1967 is "taught".
John @ 54:
Help us out and cite the pertinent statute if you would be so kind.
John @ 61:
Indeed. Many Fundies look at that as God's blessing, when with Israel's equipment advantage combined with the surprise attack, no other outcome was possible.
This morning on MTP, Biden was talking about the Generals in Afghanistan not being able to get the men and firepower they needed.
Okay if Israel and America are going to do some sort of joint venture bombing in Iran, the Iranian Army will scramble over the border into Iraq and our troops there will be in hell. If the Generals in Afghanistan can't get what they need, who in the hell will come to the rescue or our troops in Iraq
Dumbass doesn't even realize he just undermined whatever excuse Bush was planning to use to avoid being being brought before a war crimes tribunal.
pissed off patricia @ 64:
The current Iraqi government is aligned with Iran. Iran can keep its own troops in reserve. I doubt Bush's "planning" has gone that far.
LNS @ 39:
Good on you "LNS" . I was waiting for someone to point that out ! I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned until message # 39 . Maybe it means that -in his mind - he foresees America and Israel using nuclear bunker-buster bombs against Iran. He may have (before today's show)already visualized himself (on the same show) in the future really saying, "It's not just the U.S. using nuclear weapons against Iran. Israel is using them too."
Lollimom @ 34:
A war crime just as lying to get us into Iraq was a war crime.
The victors write the history and they prosecute the war crimes.
With a congress like ours, who needs victors, all we have is losers.
Except for the war profiteers.
redratio1 @ 9:
You won't need to drive to work because there will be no work!
kristol has been wrong on EVERYTHING!
The other reason Bush may attack Iran if Obama wins is to STAY IN OFFICE for a 3rd term. But I think Obama will have a hard time winning this election (pessimism here) because I do not think that many in this country can get over their racial prejudice.
As much as I hate the neo-cons, and Kristol is way up there, there is some truth in what he says and I'll tell you why;
(1) Bush has nothing to lose; His legacy couoldn't be worse if he bombs Iran;
(2) The only thing that counts is for the GOP to win the election;That's what ROve thinks;
(3) Since it appears Obama is going to win, something has to be done about that;
(4) The ONLY way for the GOP to win is to engender fear into the elections;
(5) To get fear back, there has to be an attack on US soil/ship/embassy etc;That way the stupid electorate sheeple will vote for McCain hands down, because that's the way they think;
(6) To get an attack, Bush has to provoke Iran, just like he wanted to provoke Saddam to attack a UN false flag unmanned drone to be flown over Baghdad before the invasion; This was the damning Manning memo, Blair was in on it, even though Bush claimed he was already convinced Saddam had WMD; Thus Bush is fully aware of the power of a false flag; Israel had killed 34 US crewmen of the USS Liberty in 1967; False flags work, and Bush knows it;
(6) Ergo: There will be an October (?) surprise consisting of an Iranian false flag attack. Israel and most likely the US will go to the aid of its "ally" (viz. co-conspirator Mossad)
kristol says Obama's platform vis-a-vis Iran is "unconditional negotiations".
That is a bald-faced lie, so typical of the way the right wing misrepresents, fear-mongers, and deceives the American public.
Addendum:
(7) Bush may well cancel/suspend the elections. That's why he is so cocky, dancing and goofing around.
SendEm To TheHague @ 69:
So the shrubs on Bush's ranch are going to trim themselves, then?
It really doesn't matter who attacks Iran first (Israel or US). Israel is seen throughout the Middle East as an American state and we (Americans) will be labeled as the aggressor - especially since Dumbya rammed his way into Iraq.
The main points are:
Tens of thousands more will die
Oil will spike to stratospheric levels
A major global economic crisis will occur
Help us out and cite the pertinent statute if you would be so kind.
The Treasury Department has told the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee that the U.S. Government has the authority to prohibit the private possession of gold and silver coin and bullion by U.S. citizens during wartime, and, during wartime and declared emergencies, to freeze their ownership of shares of mining companies,
But gold and silver owners aren't alone in such jeopardy. For the U.S. Government claims the authority in declared emergencies to seize or freeze just about everything else that might be considered a financial instrument.
The Treasury Department's assertions came in a letter to GATA dated August 12 and written by Sean M. Thornton, chief counsel for the department's Office of Foreign Assets Control, who replied to questions GATA posed to the department in January. It took GATA six months and some prodding to get answers from the Treasury, but the Treasury's reply, when it came, was remarkably comprehensive and candid.
The government's authority to interfere with the ownership of gold, silver, and mining shares arises, Thornton wrote, from the Trading With the Enemy Act, which became law in 1917 during World War I and applies during declared wars, and from 1977's International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which can be applied without declared wars.
While the Trading With the Enemy Act authorizes the government to interfere with the ownership of gold and silver particularly, it also applies to all forms of currency and all securities. So the Treasury official stressed in his letter to GATA that the act could be applied not just to shares of gold and silver mining companies but to the shares of all companies in which there is a foreign ownership interest.
Further, there is no requirement in the law that the targets of the government's interference must have some connection to the declared enemies of the United States, nor even some connection to foreign ownership. Anything that can be construed as a financial instrument, no matter how innocently it has been used, is subject to seizure under the Trading With the Enemy Act and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.
Having just gone through a controversy about a Supreme Court decision about government's power of eminent domain, most Americans may be surprised to learn that the Trading With the Enemy Act and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act could expropriate them instantly and far more broadly without any of the due process extended to parties in eminent domain cases. All that is needed is a presidential proclamation of an emergency of some kind -- and of course Americans lately have been living in a state of perpetual emergency.
When the Trading With the Enemy Act was passed in 1917, gold and silver formed part of the official currency of the United States and were essential to ordinary commerce, so perhaps an argument could be made then against "hoarding," even if "hoarding" could not be well defined. That is no longer the case; the United States has officially disavowed gold and silver as money and they no longer have a meaningful role in commerce. (GATA is working on that.) So gold and silver investors may want to ask their members of Congress to seek repeal of the statutes that give the government the authority to interfere with the private ownership of gold and silver, emergencies or not.
And ordinary citizens with no particular interest in gold and silver may want to ask their members of Congress to reconsider these statutes simply for being wildly tyrannical.
GATA's correspondence with the Treasury Department is posted on the Internet here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gata/message/3276
mystic @ 74:
I know these guys are fucking morons, believe me. That said, they are smart enough to realize that there is no way that is going to go over with the lack of support they have on all levels. They even hint at this, they are fucking getting marched out of the WH in handcuffs.
Don Rumsfeld @ 67:
Strap Kristol to the bomb, ala Slim Pickens in Dr. Strangelove.
Just the right amount of nuclear winter could neutralize global warming. See, it's all going to be OK. Back to sports and shopping.
karl @ 41:
bush doesn't care how we the masses discuss his legacy....to certain elites he can do no wrong....these are people who make decisions for the world.we don't understand......according to them
nearly every prediction this man has made, turned out to be wrong, and to be utter trash.
MSM needs to shame him off of the air.
I think it would be a fantastic idea for some sharp media news-hound to quote him directly to Dana Perino, then ask her "is it the president's position to bomb Iran just prior to leaving office, should Sen Obama win the presidency rather than Sen McCain?"
get one of those "thats an absurd thing to say" comments from Perino, throw that right back in Kristol's face.
then the next time he talks some bullshit, repeat. and re-repeat. and so on, until he learns to stfu about topics he has no knowledge of and no business talking about.
Help us out and cite the pertinent statute if you would be so kind.
I've tried posting this 4 or 5 times to no effect.
The Treasury Department has told the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee that the U.S. Government has the authority to prohibit the private possession of gold and silver coin and bullion by U.S. citizens during wartime, and, during wartime and declared emergencies, to freeze their ownership of shares of mining companies.
But gold and silver owners aren't alone in such jeopardy. For the U.S. Government claims the authority in declared emergencies to seize or freeze just about everything else that might be considered a financial instrument.
The Treasury Department's assertions came in a letter to GATA dated August 12 and written by Sean M. Thornton, chief counsel for the department's Office of Foreign Assets Control, who replied to questions GATA posed to the department in January. It took GATA six months and some prodding to get answers from the Treasury, but the Treasury's reply, when it came, was remarkably comprehensive and candid.
The government's authority to interfere with the ownership of gold, silver, and mining shares arises, Thornton wrote, from the Trading With the Enemy Act, which became law in 1917 during World War I and applies during declared wars, and from 1977's International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which can be applied without declared wars.
While the Trading With the Enemy Act authorizes the government to interfere with the ownership of gold and silver particularly, it also applies to all forms of currency and all securities. So the Treasury official stressed in his letter to GATA that the act could be applied not just to shares of gold and silver mining companies but to the shares of all companies in which there is a foreign ownership interest.
Further, there is no requirement in the law that the targets of the government's interference must have some connection to the declared enemies of the United States, nor even some connection to foreign ownership. Anything that can be construed as a financial instrument, no matter how innocently it has been used, is subject to seizure under the Trading With the Enemy Act and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.
Having just gone through a controversy about a Supreme Court decision about government's power of eminent domain, most Americans may be surprised to learn that the Trading With the Enemy Act and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act could expropriate them instantly and far more broadly without any of the due process extended to parties in eminent domain cases. All that is needed is a presidential proclamation of an emergency of some kind -- and of course Americans lately have been living in a state of perpetual emergency.
When the Trading With the Enemy Act was passed in 1917, gold and silver formed part of the official currency of the United States and were essential to ordinary commerce, so perhaps an argument could be made then against "hoarding," even if "hoarding" could not be well defined. That is no longer the case; the United States has officially disavowed gold and silver as money and they no longer have a meaningful role in commerce. (GATA is working on that.) So gold and silver investors may want to ask their members of Congress to seek repeal of the statutes that give the government the authority to interfere with the private ownership of gold and silver, emergencies or not.
And ordinary citizens with no particular interest in gold and silver may want to ask their members of Congress to reconsider these statutes simply for being wildly tyrannical.
GATA's correspondence with the Treasury Department is posted on the Internet here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gata/message/3276
Kanan @ 76:
Oil company profits will continue to soar (forgot one...)
Is Kristol saying Israel has nuclear weapons? They have never admitted that.
for those with a little longer memory than others...
After George H. W. Bush (#41) was defeated by Bill Clinton in the general election in November 1992, he sent US troops into Somalia shortly thereafter in December.
He effectively put the US in harm's way, pulled the pin and handed the grenade to Clinton.
Sound familiar?
It would be a fitting final temper tantrum for the petulant chiild-president.
Thank you again, all of you Bush voters, for hating America and doing your best to destroy the country.
redratio1 @ 9:
If Kristol is correct, Iran can and will retaliate in many different ways. they could hit Saudi oil refineries as you suggested as well as hit those of other neighboring nations. They could also, theoretically bottleneck or shut down the Straits of Hormuz and hit multiple U.S. targets either civilian or military throughout the world using their allies and MOIS operatives. Not to mention the most obvious U.S. targets in Iraq, Turkey, Afghanistan and so on. Iran has many options.
An attack on Iran at this point could do more harm to the United States economically than anything else. Interstate trucking will cease due the massive increase in fuel costs, deficits will rise dramatically and the U.S. dollar will or could become virtually worthless to all people as a means of exchange. This entire country could economically be crippled and it will be the Bush Administration who set the whole thing in motion.
Bush can't even defeat a few bad apples.
Is Kristol saying Israel has nuclear weapons? They have never admitted that.
It was mentioned once, by accident to a Sunday Times reporter in England. So although never officially acknowledged, everyone knows they have nukes.
It's like the Americans never officially confirming that Area 51 exists. Or the British government still never officially confirming the existance of MI6.
Joe H. @ 86:
it's called perpetual war....with countries trying to jump up to first world status china,india and russia the u.s/u.k. elites i believe feel they need to make this move and dominate middle east/caspian sea geoeco-capitalisim
What about this from this old brit?
Iran Attack : Israel's Recent Ominous Rehearsals Revealed ...
John @ 90:
Olmert, the present prime minister, alluded very strongly to this also several weeks ago. Google will tell when you when.
This the guy who has been asked to resign because of bribes. Nice guy. Nice country. A top official was charged with rape about a year or two ago.
Jesus fucking christ I hate these Tom Clancy fanbois like Kristol.
Put a uniform on them and put them first in line. send them their sisters, their mother, father uncles, whoever. then let's see how fired up they are about bombing another country.
John @ 82:
Is "Trading With The Enemy" what Bush's grandfather Prescott did with the Nazis?
Atilla, since you didn't know, I just thought I'd throw a little background on Israel's nukes in here.
Mordechai Vanunu, Israel's nuclear whistleblower, was jailed in 1986 for publishing photographs of Israel's nuclear bomb factory at Dimona.
He spent more than 11 years in a tiny solitary confinement cell for his troubles and a further 7 years in a regular cell. He was finally released in 2004, never having been granted probation or leniency.
He was arrested and harrassed multiple times since his release.
Last year he was sentenced to six months in prison for violating terms of his parole. The sentence was considered unusual even by the prosecution who expected a suspended sentence. In response, Amnesty International issued a press release on July 2, 2007, stating that "The organization considers Mordechai Vanunu to be a prisoner of conscience and calls for his immediate and unconditional release."[
As far as Israel is concerned, he's the worst kind of traitor.
This never made any sense to me, IF the nuclear weapons were to be held as a deterrent. Deterrents only work if people know you have them.
To me, their treatment of this courageous whistle-blower signified from the begining that Israel intended to use these weapons in a way that was not supposed to be traceable back to them.
The ultimate act of a rogue terrorist state.
Still, look into the facts yourself and make your own mind up.
lyleleander @ 77:
From your mouth to god's ears.
Bush Might Bomb Iran If He 'Thinks Obama's Going To Win'?
Geez, BilyKay, Bush doesn't think. But maybe he KNOWS Obama will win, or hasn't he looked at his and McCain's approval ratings after being joined at the hip?
Sorry, but America knows he's been itching to bomb Iran for more than a year, so you can't blame this on who's going to win. But don't fret. Congress will probably grow some balls and not give him approval.
I had to run that clip again to follow Billy Crystal's line of thought. Usually he expresses himself clearly enough for the dittoheads to get the gist without having to think too hard. This time around he was muddled. He's lost the neocon thread and was making it up as he went.
Tequila @ 7:
He will, I'm so convinced of it I have money on it. Given what the US has done over the last 8 years, McCain is a sure thing.
Alice X (Chomsky Nader) @ 59:
Put it all on credit card as well ......... 101 - How to bankrupt a country ....... good luck relying on that awesome welfare and caring society ..... oh wait that would be "socialist" and evil ..... ah well, best find a good cardboard box and a bridge.
General_Rennenkampf @ 2:
Israel, the US is calling in it's chips and blood money.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7465170.stm
Is “Trading With The Enemy” what Bush’s grandfather Prescott did with the Nazis?
It's what a lot of American companies did, and was a large factor in helping the US get out of The Great Depression. Having a strong union-busting Germany to invest in, led to returns of 40-50% growth.
The english comedian Rob Newman says in his show, that on a graph, that would look like "this" and then mimes a nazi salute.
Prescott Bush wasn't the only one investing in Nazi Germany, by a long shot. And America itself actually did well out of that investment. Arms sales always have a good ROI until you have to fight the people you sold them to. Surely you know this, even from recent history.
Joe O. @ 88:
redratio1 @ 9:
I would recommend liquidating into euros. Mind you that may not be enough, it might need to be something that will still retain value in the future - like food and water - and possibly oxygen.
i heard a lady on the morning news say it's ahrd to believe that age would play a more important factor than race.
i was like WTF.
shouthshiieeeed @ 87:
Included in the list of traitors let us not forget those who voted for Bush purely for the reason he supports Israel first and foremost above America. There are still traitors like that today, many in New York City. And we the suckers pay Israel billions for the honor of fighting its dirty little wars. And we remain without health insurance and infrastructure. When is the nightmare going to end?
PNAC and it's sick perverted members, still in power, are still making policy, unchecked by anyone, and as strong as ever. Take what this man says SERIOUSLY, no matter how maniacal and crazy it sounds. These traitorous, scheming, globalist have been implementing their plan without any resistance in the past, and still to this day, despite loosing the majority, can broadcast their plans on msm proudly and clearly. Who's going to stop them? Maybe a few "do-nothing but talk about the problems" hearings will help? lol!
What's the vice president up to these days?
ASK THIS | June 12, 2008
Just yesterday, in a speech to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Cheney indicated that he doesn't intend to let a future administration dismantle all his good work.
Even dwarfing the impact of anything they could do in Iraq, the one thing Bush and Cheney could do that would most dramatically and disruptively narrow the options available to their successors would be to attack Iran.
the Bush administration might create a new casus belli, possibly by encouraging Israel to launch its own strike on nuclear facilities or by escalating a (possibly trumped-up) provocation in the Persian Gulf. Another increasingly possible provocation: A U.S. raid on alleged training bases for Iraqi terrorists across the Iranian border.
Just last week, it was reported that beleaguered Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was encouraging Bush to launch an attack.
Here"s a plausible scenario. Bush has already decided to bomb Iran. So he'll time it in such a way to be advantageous to McCain. Or what his pea-brain thinks is useful. McCain can roll out his already produced ad campaign about he is the guy to be CIC of the three front war. Far fetched, but so was the rationale for Iraq, FISA, the DOJ scandal, and stealing two elections.
See the dangers of Kristol Meth? It makes you grin like a shit eating rat while promoting war for somebody else to fight.
Kristol Meth kills, just say no!
Congress and the Senate have enough votes to stop any attempt at going to war with Iran right? I mean in theory, if they wanted to and stood firm, not caving in right?
Hypothetically speaking?
Kanan @ 45:
$15.00 per gallon and the US economy Tanks big time
Ditto for the Israeli economy .
Kristol lives in Manhatten I believe. He may have a problem.
Even hypothetically speaking, the Bush Administration will claim that Congress ceded their right to declare War when they granted Bush the power to wage his war on terror in any way he saw fit.
Thus, even though we know that legally Congress has to declare war, not the President, Bush could authorise the bombing of Iran and claim that he was granted this right implicitly by congress.
And knowing Congress as you do (as indeed we all do) do you think they'd stand up to him and say "No we didn't!" ? Do you think they'd arrest him? Do you think anyone would even blink an eye?
I'm hardly joking:
Someone, or some group, needs to render Bloody Kristol; putt him in combat gear while he's unconscious enroute to Iraq: find a division willing to play along, put a microphone in his hand (cuz I honestly believe the bitch would start shooting his own fellow citizens if they didn't haul him back to safety); put a video camera ON him; film the resultant behaviours, words of wisdom, and ZEAL for war.
If he survives? Great. We have the newest ANTI-war crusader on someone in an asylum.
If he catches some sort of timely end?
It's a win win.
Karma needs some help sometimes....
I'd pay to watch that footage.
mystic @ 93:
In all fairness to Ehud Olmert, almost all of the higher Israeli leadership has been asked to resign because of bribes or other illegal activity in the last few decades ...
Wait, that's not really very good, is it?
We owe China everything, who believe they are going to stand by and allow Isarel and the US to control the middle East Oil? Get ready to send your children to die. I suggest everyone who voted for Bush should be the first to go. When it's all over, the rest of us may be able to plea for mercy, since we never wished Bush on the world.
♠Bob on holiday in Laos♥ @ 12:
How about just plain EVIL???!!
This continued CONservative narrative that Obama would make America weak is another smoke and mirrors neocon con-job.
Let's see. Under Bush we have a busted budget, a depleted military, depleted national guard preventing us from taking care of national emergencies at home like Katrina, tornados, wild fires and midwest floodings, emboldened enemies, and alienated allies who see America under Bush as part of the new axis of evil http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/11/03/america/NA_GEN_World_Views_of_....
What kind of Kristol meth has this neocon clown been smoking to think a Democrat could ever make us as weak as the current Republican White House occupant has made us?
people don't forget why admiral fallon stepped down he wanted to try diplomacy bush administration doesn't...the problem is they(NEOCONS) can't predict the extent of the blowback and scarier yet they don't care
John @ 112:
Bush might have trouble from the Pentagon and the military if he were to make such a foolish stupid move.
Like I said....http://www.tagg-theangrygayguy.com/2008/06/kristol-klown-dayha.html
We've been sold out by the Democrats once more. House Resolution 362 has 77 Dems and 92 Repbus already on board. In the Senate there is 580 with 22 signed up.
If this bill goes through we will have a blockade on Iran.
Iran refines no petroleum--- they have to run the blockade in order to keep their economy going and their military operational.
If this bill passes it will be a checkmate for Cheney.
We will have a world recession and the election will be based on who can be tougher with Iran.
I can't believe that this websight has fallen asleep while Democrats vote us into WWIII!!!!!!!!!
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=58325§ionid=3510203
i'll listen to this guy before mcBush regarding current military strategies
anney @ 118:
He doesn't give a shit. What are they going to do? He's the Chimperor - Lord of the Deciders!
Who's going to stop him? Harry Reid? Nancy Pelosi? Maybe Pat Leahy will even write another stern letter.
Neoconned, I've looked over the text of House Res 362. I don't see anything there about a blockade.
The closest is point 3, which says
Congress demands that the President initiate an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political, and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by, inter alia, prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran's nuclear program;
Demanding bush initiate an international movement, is a LONG way from putting a blockade in place.
The people who run the Pentagon and the military won't be the ones dying the war. At least that's their mentality.
So no, I don't think Bush is going to have any problems with them.
John @ 122:
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, apparently it flows in the Persian Gulf as well.
If we stop all petroleum exports to Iran that is A BLOCKADE.
This is a neocon Trojan Horse and Wexler and other traitors have signed onto it. Perhaps they have done so out of ignorance but that excuses nothing.
Afghanistan & Iraq were such successes.... who wouldn't want these idiots to start a third war? There are still so many innocent men, women & children who haven't been murdered yet.... why limit that to only the inoocent in Iraq?
"We are tempted to comment, in these last days before the war, on the U.N., and the French, and the Democrats. But the war itself will clarify who was right and who was wrong about weapons of mass destruction. It will reveal the aspirations of the people of Iraq, and expose the truth about Saddam's regime. It will produce whatever effects it will produce on neighboring countries and on the broader war on terror. We would note now that even the threat of war against Saddam seems to be encouraging stirrings toward political reform in Iran and Saudi Arabia, and a measure of cooperation in the war against al Qaeda from other governments in the region. It turns out it really is better to be respected and feared than to be thought to share, with exquisite sensitivity, other people's pain. History and reality are about to weigh in, and we are inclined simply to let them render their verdicts.
This is a moment for restating the obvious: We hope and pray the war goes as well as possible, with the fewest possible American casualties, and also the fewest possible casualties to all innocent parties, very much including the Iraqi people, who have suffered so greatly. We fear, as does the Bush administration, Saddam's chemical and biological weapons, and, needless to say, hope for nothing more than the administration's success in crippling Saddam's ability to use them. We look forward to the liberation of our own country and others from the threat of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, and to the liberation of the Iraqi people from a brutal and sadistic tyrant.
A time will come to scrutinize our government's management of the war's aftermath, its equivocations on democracy in Iraq, its inadequate defense budget, and much else. But for now, at this moment of historic opportunity and national resolve, we simply pray for the president, his advisers, and our brave men and women in uniform." --William Kristol, March 17, 2003 (The Imminent War)
"There's been a certain amount of pop sociology in America ... that the Shia can't get along with the Sunni and the Shia in Iraq just want to establish some kind of Islamic fundamentalist regime. There's almost no evidence of that at all. Iraq's always been very secular." --William Kristol, April 4, 2003
"The United States committed itself to defeating terror around the world. We committed ourselves to reshaping the Middle East, so the region would no longer be a hotbed of terrorism, extremism, anti-Americanism, and weapons of mass destruction. The first two battles of this new era are now over. The battles of Afghanistan and Iraq have been won decisively and honorably. But these are only two battles. We are only at the end of the beginning in the war on terror and terrorist states." --William Kristol, April 28, 2003
"[T]here are hopeful signs that Iraqis of differing religious, ethnic, and political persuasions can work together. This is a far cry from the predictions made before the war by many, both here and in Europe, that a liberated Iraq would fracture into feuding clans and unleash a bloodbath. The perpetually sour American media focus on the tensions between Shiites and Kurds that delayed the signing by three whole days. But the difficult negotiations leading up to the signing, and the continuing debates over the terms of a final constitution, have in fact demonstrated something remarkable in Iraq: a willingness on the part of the diverse ethnic and religious groups to disagree--peacefully--and then to compromise. This willingness is the product of what appears to be a broad Iraqi consensus favoring the idea of pluralism." --William Kristol, March 22, 2004
“The U.S. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq will be studied for years for their brilliance.” --Dick Cheney - Montoursville, Pa 10/29/04
To further the points made above re: gold and the US governments ability to confiscate it.
I suggest you read
http://www.the-privateer.com/1933-gold-confiscation.html
All persons are hereby required to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, to a Federal Reserve bank or a branch or agency thereof or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve System all gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates now owned by them or coming into their ownership on or before April 28, 1933....
This was 6 years before WW2 even started, never mind America getting involved in it. This was part and parcel of the Great Depression. Economic hardship for a nation.
Sound familiar?
It could happen again. Easily.
Neoconned :
If we stop all petroleum exports to Iran that is A BLOCKADE.
While this is true, the resolution does not authorise America to create a blockade.
It asks the President to BEGIN trying to make an international effort to start a blockade.
I didn't say it wouldn't happen, I just said it's a LONG way from there to here. Personally, I can't see Bush organising an international anything.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Friday warned against the use of force on Iran, saying there was no proof it was trying to build nuclear weapons.
"..international law clearly protects Iran's and anyone else's territorial integrity."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1213794289495&pagename=JPost/...
The question is are these just words or would Russia defend Iran if it came to the push? I think Bush knows he can count China out because of the Olympics. I can understand why Iran would want nuclear power with Israel causing trouble everywhere especially America. We must die to save that shitty little country?
who cares what Kristol says? Is he even credible?
John @ 127:
Why the emphasis put on international? If Bush gets Israel and Britain to go along that's an international blockade.
This is a trick. You have to see that. Once Congress OKs a blockade then Bush starts assembling a coalition of the willing and then Congress is out of the decision-making process.
Once a blockade of petroleum starts then Iran has to run the blockade. The neocons know that petroleum is like air to countries. If it stops they will die. That is why petroleum is written into this AIPAC Trojan Horse.
So many Liberals like to think that Iraq was a disaster for the Neocons. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Woolsey, Feith, Bruce Jackson, Cheney et.al. have personally made millions. And they want the money to keep flowing.
Well obama wanted to bomb Iran also. Before he whined and cried about the article I downloaded a copy. The Chicago Tribune pulled the article because they like the rest of the MSM don't want obama's negativeness to be out there. Heck if we bombed Iran obama would running around worst than bush wondering what to do.
Let's see, there will be riots at the democrat convention (thanks to plants by the neocons), there will the bombing of Iran and there will be voter fraud. Those three events will stop Obama from being elected.... The neocons have worked too hard to steal the power they have to give it up in an election.
EarthAbides @ 132:
Exactly!!!!!
Just because Bush is a moron. People get a tingle in their belly every time they hear him prove his stupidity.
But Bush is a front man for extremely intelligent evil human beings. Perle, Cheney and Wolfowitz knew that we wouldn't be greeted with flowers. They knew there were no weapons of mass destruction. They knew the difference between Sunni and Shiite.
But their idiot boy front man is the perfect cover for their schemes. It helps liberals feel superior instead of outraged and diligent.
They still have cards to play so people better wake up and stop watching their front man.
mystic @ 128:
It's just words. Right now the Russians couldn't handle the Mongolians, much less the US Army, even after 7 years in Afghanistan and 5 years in Iraq. It ain't the Red Army they got, anymore.
What Russia would probably do, OTOH, is grab the world by the balls if we go after Iran and start running up a bill with all the oil they've got in Siberia.
JimboSlice @ 27:
Hahahahahahaha........ya right. Who says Obama and the Dems don't feel EXACTLY the same way as the Rethuglicans?
Lollimom @ 34:
Sounds like treason to me.
Mistty @128
Why would China not assist Iran? We would be the only ones not at the Olympics. They wouldn't care, because we will probably be traveling on their money.
Who actually listens to these prognosticators again? This guy is talking from his ass! Why broadcast it further C&L? Fearboy and his diaper crew are so full of shit they can't walk outside without dumping another one and declaring "The sky is FALLING!". Fuck'm, that's my $0.02!
The General @ 134
Don't get too comfortable, Russian has had time to resupply their army. We are sending sick and mentally ill soliders to our two wars that we are presently engaged in. Where are we going to get the new soliders? Awaiting an answer to the question.
I don't know exactly how many missiles Iran has or how accurate they are but if the United States attacked Iran a very likely scenario would be the sinking of an American Aircraft carrier in the Gulf.
If that happens think about what that will mean for the American people.
It will be a New Perle Harbor. There will be no trials. You will be un-American if you speak out against bombing Iran back to the stone ages.
This is what the Neocons. This is their plan.
Kanan @ 45:
how much do you think diesel will be?
the diesel that powers the planters/tractors/combines,trucks that make and transport all your food?
imagine home heating oil prices come this winter...
"If there was a website for warmongering porn, Kristol would be the webmaster."
LOL!
The American Civil War began after Lincoln won the Republican nomination but before he took office. It was a foregone conclusion that the Republican nominee would be the new president, because the Democrats had already split North-South over precisely the slavery issue.
Charlestonians cut off supplies to Fort Sumter, and when Lincoln took office he had to decide whether to capitulate or use force to free up the fort and deliver supplies.
neoconned @ 133:
I too agree with this sentiment. In my more cynical moments--which is pretty much all the time--I can't see the cons EVER giving up what they've worked so hard and so long to achieve. Indeed, from cheney's energy task force machinations to the buildup to war with iran, everything is carefully orchestrated to 1) ensure secrecy, 2) disprove culpability, and 3) disseminate propaganda.
The fact is, they're very close, as close as they can be, to having ALL the power and ALL the money. It's frankly inconceivable that they would allow it all to be taken away.
damn if that wasnt some twisted logic.
Dear John Amato,
If the Daily Kos is doing a thread on the Iran War Resolution:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/21/144412/857/181/539848
then shouldn't Crooks and Liars do the same!
We need as many people on the phone to their congressmen as possible.
redratio1 @ 9:
Don't you realize if they attack Iran, Bush can declare Martial Law and end our elections! This is why they have been desperate to launch the war drums. The NIE stopped them in their tracks earlier this year debunking the propaganda Iran was constituting nuclear weapons, but they will not stop. They have 5 months to declare war and stop Obama. Bill the Bloody is telling the truth. They will attack Iran,m as planned all along.
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