Top McCain Adviser: Another terror attack would give McCain "big advantage"
By SilentPatriot Sunday Jun 22, 2008 6:00pm
Well, since this guy's job is to get John McCain elected at all costs, is it a stretch to wonder whether he's actually hoping for one? It wouldn't be the first time someone mused about that being a good idea.
On national security McCain wins. We saw how that might play out early in the campaign, when one good scare, one timely reminder of the chaos lurking in the world, probably saved McCain in New Hampshire, a state he had to win to save his candidacy - this according to McCain's chief strategist, Charlie Black. The assassination of Benazir Bhutto in December was an "unfortunate event," says Black. "But his knowledge and ability to talk about it reemphasized that this is the guy who's ready to be Commander-in-Chief. And it helped us." As would, Black concedes with startling candor after we raise the issue, another terrorist attack on U.S. soil. "Certainly it would be a big advantage to him," says Black.
When it came out that Black lobbied for some of the worlds worst dictators, MoveOn put out this ad urging McCain to fire Black. I wonder if this is a fireable offense. I'm guessing not.
What's even worse, just like Black exploits the tragic death of Benazir Bhutto for political gain, CNN's Dana Bash is on the record saying that McCain echoed the same sentiment right after her death. Watch it here.
John Amato: Is Black hoping for an attack on US soil? He should be fired for saying this. Months ago he brought up the Bhutto assassination as an "unfortunate event." Gee, what an awful way to phrase that tragedy. How about it was a horrific blow to Bhutto, her family and the country of Pakistan at a critical time in their history. Instead---it's just an event, but a " positive event" for McCain's bid at the presidency. Let's take a look at Black's client list for a minute.
Charlie Black, McCain’s senior counsel and spokesman, began his lobbying career by representing numerous dictators and repressive regimes.
Black’s firm represented the governor of Philippines dictator Ferdinand Marcos. According to a 1985 report, the firm Black, Manafort & Stone earned $950,000 plus expenses for its work to provide “advice and assistance on matters relating to the media, public relations and public affairs interests.”1
Black’s firm lobbied on behalf of Mobuto Sese Seko of Zaire, earning $1 million a year for his efforts.2
Black’s firm lobbied on behalf of Somali dictator Mohamed Siad Barre.3
Black’s firm represented Nigerian dictator Ibrahim Babangida, earning at least $1 million for his efforts.4
Black’s firm has represented Equatorial Guinea, an oil-rich state “best known for the outlandish brutality of its rulers.”5
Black represented Angolan rebel and “classical terrorist” Jonas Savimbi, a job that earned him $600,000.6 “We have to call him Africa’s classical terrorist,” Makau Mutua, a professor of law and Africa specialist told the New York Times. “In the history of the continent, I think he’s unique because of the degree of suffering he caused without showing any remorse.”7
In recent years his client list has also included the Iraqi National Congress8, Friends of Blackwater9, and the China National Off-Shore Oil Corp.10
Since 2005, BKSH has received more than $700,000 in fees from foreign entities.11
I think lobbying for brutal dictators and regimes has rubbed off on Charlie Black a little too much.
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Sounds like a success story to me.
Lovely! We're going to live in fear for the rest of our lives... oh, Frist!
this could change everything........new zealand here i come
Could you imagine if someone from Barrack Hussein Obama's campaign made this comment? FOXaganda and Rush Limpnuts would be all over it!
if anyone thinks mcfuckhead would be a shoe-in in the
event there is another attack on American soil, either
has or needs a lobotomy. mc-i-can't-keep-things-straight-in-my-head
is no more qualified to run this country than bush/cheney were when
they stole two elections. several months in a pow camp
DOES NOT QUALIFY anyone as president, either with or without
a new national attack or threat.
this is just another fucking reichwingneocon WETDREAM.
"When you're born, you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front-row seat." -George Carlin
McCain will say he doesn't approve of the statement, Black will say he's sorry and it was taken out of context........ Michelle Obama will say she likes scarves and be accused of supporting terrorism.. we live in BIZZZZZZZZARRRRRRRO WORLD !
Yep, if the Republicans fail to protect us from another attack ... that's good for Republicans! Just as, if Republicans want to spy on us and cover their friend's asses for breaking the law, they will be protected ... by Democrats! Bizarro world is now our reality.
Just wondering, but other than saving that he has an advantage, what has McCain actual done on National Security? What has he been involved in with regards to foreign policy? What has he been involved with when it comes to Homeland Security and National Defense?
What has McCain done in his 20+ years in the Congress and Senate that has made America safer?
911, Katrina, military depletion, National Guard depletion, terrorist in Iraq, terrorist regrouping in Afghanistan all happened under a Republican regime yet some folks still actually believe the Republicans are better at keeping America safe.
Right Wing Kool Aid is more addictive than I thought!
dadams @ 5:
Qualifications and rationality would not apply to the elections of a recently post-terrorist event. Mccain would get a very large advantage, unless Obama and the DNC figured a good enough counterpoint that "8 years in the White House and another terrorist attack". Even though that's sophomoric as much as the Republican's line would be "We couldn't get FISA approved because of those libruls!!". The Republicans I fear would win the "argument" by popular fear and it'd bring the polls much closer, if not in favor of, Mccain.
Black’s comments are just another indication that McCain (just like Bush) has the potential to become a dictator. He has no real leadership abilities to move the populace to him so he uses the specter of a outside threat, be it real or imaginary, to scare the population into submission. Hitler, Stalin, and many other dictators used this same method to gain power and later to control their people.
Funny you mentioned Bhutto, it can be argued that her assassination was a result of willful security failures on Mushy's part. Kinda makes you wonder about the security failures the secret service has had with the dem candidates as of late.
Only in the Orwellian world of corporate politics and mass media propaganda would the second failure of the same Republican administration to protect the country from a mass terrorist attack be trumpeted as a political advantage for a Republican presidential successor running on the failed national security strategies of the lame duck incumbent .
It is NOT POSSIBLE to have the best interests of the United States at heart and still deal with these Merchants of Death. Black is a greedy, black-hearted, blood-drenched hypocrite. No doubt he drinks it like tea.
Yes - I know we're one of them - that's why I say "best interests" ~~
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I'm amazed so many don't connect the dots on 9/11.
9/11...benefit to Bush and his corporate buddies...suppression of any challenge to same
So what Black is saying is "Stay tuned ...." - right?
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From the McCain camp:
"Charlie deeply regrets his comments. They were inappropriate and he recognizes that the candidate we work for has devoted his entire adult life to protecting his country and placing its security before every other consideration."
But, of course, he meant what he said.
I'd bet good money this loser is on the unemployment line within 24 hours.
The election of Benizir Bhutto would NOT have been in the best interests of the US. Keeping Musharref in place continues a long standing tradition of propping up anti democratic dictators. Democracy opens eyes and an informed electorate threatens the corporate elite. Bhutto would have worked for peace with Inda and Afghanistan. This is bad for the war profiteers.
Charlie Black nearly screwed the pooch. Yet the sheeple still refuse to believe that Bushco would sit idly by again to boost Grampy's chances.
So Michelle Obama is taken out of context and the outrage ensues out of her "Proud of America" statement as being "anti-American" or some other crap. This guy, a top McCain adviser, mentions terrorists attacking would help McCain, and he gets a pass as well as McCain.
Where is that liberal media the right-wingers constantly talk about? I would love to watch that all the time, but all I'm seeing is people wanting to constantly pet John McCain on the head like he's a little puppy that needs their protection.
Since this seems to be a Republican mantra, rather than one guy "misspeaking", I hope Obama picks it up and runs with it... he should nail Repubs to the wall for this sort of crap.
for christ sake.
remember those smartass arabic college boys cracking jokes about bombing an airport, and some hick waitress in Florida overheard them, and she called DHS and they shut down a freeway?
know how its definitely impossible to get thru airport security if you make comparable jokes, possibly even illegal?
how the fuck can these old played out babyboomer fartknockers get away with talking this kind of trash? seriously! how is it legal? how do they stay off a no-fly list?
how can a high school boy with no resources get expelled for threatening to blow up a school, but these old farts with direct access to pentagon insiders can talk this kind of shit without serious secret service scrutiny?
McCain will probably be the next president. I think the only way to prevent that would be to follow the laws of the country which means that Bush and Cheney would be in jail by now. Congress is not doing its duty because it is led by the criminal Nancy Pelosi who is making a dynamic effort to protect Bush. Nancy Pelosi is evil !! Nancy Pelosi is helping John McCain become the next president of the United States. The democrats will never have control again. Nancy Pelosi is a traitor. Nancy Pelosi = Treason.
Read the previous thread.
Carol Shea-Porter is real good on what a good congress person she is. And she is.
But she does not answer the question that goes to the reason for having congress in the first place, which is why so many Americans get it right on Iraq and so many in congress get it wrong.
Congress is an 18th century idea. Good for its time, bypassed by technology.
Let's have a direct citizen vote.
I'll trust my fellow citizens (Harvard professors, midwestern farmers, rednecks, hippies, neocons, 24-year-olds, etc.) more than I trust congress.
however horrible to say .... its true..... a terrorist attack on the country WOULD help the republicans......
THATS WHY I SAY...... IF ANOTHER ONE HAPPENS BEFORE THE ELECTIONS IT WAS DONE BY THE REPUBLICANS.... TO KEEP THE WHITEHOUSE.!!!...
IF THEY ARENT ABOVE LYING US INTO A WAR WHERE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE DIED....... DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULDNT FAKE ANOTHER TERRORIST ATTACK JUST TO KEEP POWER????......
IF YOU DO.... YOU ARE NAIVE.............
MY QUESTION...... "IF, as the republicans say, democrats are weak on terrorism and if our enemies (the terrorists) believe the democrats are weak on terrorism, or that obama may be sympathetic to their cause... do you really think that they would do anything between now and the election to HELP ELECT JOHN MCBUSH AND THE REPUBLICANS?............ DO YOU REALLY THINK TERRORISTS ARE THAT STUPID?...............
nothing is as it seems.
This snaggle-toothed bastard is about as slimy as repuke lobbyists get.
Another terror attack would benefit the current War Criminal in Cheif as it would give him a reason to declare martial law and cancel elections.
Ruthless People @ 4:
what.... you mean if he said... a terrorist attack would help the republicans??? .. .they would agree.... IT WOULD. thats how stupid the great unwashed masses, here in this country are, they are all fear stricken and right wingism bordering on fascism is their knee jerk response.... they are the new nazis...... WE ARE ONE TERRORIST ATTACK, REAL OR FAKE, AWAY FROM A COMPLETE DICTATORSHIP.... that has been the plan all along.
So Black is saying that if Al Qaeda from the surging terrorists in Afghanistan that Bush/McShame have taken their eye off of, if they attack the U.S. then the general public will like Bush/McSenility’s plan to attack Iran?
Its Karl with hair !?
Vietvet8666, spot on.
now on to my point...
Shut up slaves. Vote for who the elites put up for you to approve.
we spy on you
we monitor your emails, your banking, your credit - everything
we set up surveillance cameras everywhere
we torture you - pain compliance
we prohibit your free speech - free speech zones
we intimidate your token honorable Congressmen/Senators
we build concentration - alien-only camps (riiiight)
we condition your approval through education, media, and cultural devices
we illegally wage wars and convince you to fight for them - and die for them
we manufacture phony evidence
we crash the dollar and wipe out your savings
we rig the elections and set up the judiciary
we stage false flag attacks
we lie to you on nearly every major issue - and you still trust us.
YOU and YOUR CHILDREN are our slaves. You only live in a illusion of democracy. Like choosing McDonalds versus Burger King.
We just have a new system of slavery and you can’t recognize it. Or worse - you willful ignore it.
and if you do….
just what do you think you can do about it?
phone calls? emails? letter campaigns? million man marches? protests?
what a joke. impotent.
we - the powers that be have microwave pain compliance, we have sound-wave cannons, we have tasers, we have unmanned reconnaissance drones, we have dressed-in-black riotgear stormtroopers to bash your heads, we have water cannons, and we have mounted cavalry.
what you got??? SQUAT.
puny insects.
come on... do something. we dare you.
jwf @ 27:
That's why McGranpa likes him.
I'm now so scared I just pissed my pants. Of course, I'm almost as old as Carlin. I'm expected to do it on a regular basis anyway.
McCain says take the United States down win the election.
McCain says let some Americans die win the election.
Truth B at 32
I'm 62. My goal is to use cash only, no cell phone. I'll use the internet. But the fucks better read the Second Amendment before they come calling.
JimboSlice @ 9:
He stopped dropping naplam and phosphorous on other countries women and kids, that makes us safer from blowback.
He abandoned the POWs and MIAs by suppressing the reports, he made an Iraqi market place as safe as one in Idaho.
We wont bring up the reverse ace thing and the five US aircraft while in the US Navy, and the hotdog takeoff that went wrong.
wow... truth be told is right.... lets just kill ourselves.... nothing we can do about it.... we are just puny insects. (read prison planet much?)....i guess THEY picked obama..... THEY are in power.... its all a computer simulation...
oh wait... that was the matrix.
Vacuus Deus @ 28:
At first blush that is what I thought but after thinking about I am not so sure. If we get attacked again people will see that the war in Iraq is the fraud that it is. They will see that the Bush/McCain Administration has taken their eye off of Afghanistan/Pakastan and terrorists elsewhere or that they have not protected the U.S. of A. I think that maybe an attack on us might no be such a good thing for McGramps/Bush
Truth B Told @ 32:
We have the ability to not pay taxes, to lose our jobs, to buy foreign cars,
to watch our economy collapse and along with it the governments ability to pay its stormtroopers, alas they can be unemployed too.
How many 1337 stormtroopers will stand on the front line against the masses, when their masters dont pay them ?
Captain Obama’s Bitter Half Husein Kangaroo @ 33:
he has no sense of smell or morality...
Ruthless People @ 10:
yeah.. and its loaded with vitamin D...(delusion)
kevin @ 29:
And our only line of defense against the Republican Reich is a Democratic congress. Might as well man the boats.
How dumping TRILLIONS into and gutting the constitution for "homeland security" and *then* having another terr'rist attack helps McCain is truly beyond my logic circuits processing abilities.
Wouldn't he be seen as the extension of the complete f*ckup who allowed both to happen?
Sheesh.
Having a republican admin fail to keep the country safe and allow another atack helps McFart? Boy, I guess I can't for the life of me figure out how he would benefit.
kevin @ 38:
hello naive kevin...
no, they didn't choose Obama... but THEY did stack the deck with the candidates THEY would be happy with.
and they denied media coverage to those that actually would act against the powers-that-be. And they can't have that.
Tell me, why does Barack surround himself with the same elite establishment types that would have undoubtedly flocked around Hillary if she was annointed by the People?
Don't you recognize a criminal syndicate when you see it? Do you think the powers that be would only play one party and not coopt the other? Oh...that is too Machiavellian?
Perhaps you need to relate to the common man then... a boxing fight... how does the mob guarantee the result? Not with just one fighter in on the fix.... they both have to be in on it to drop at the appointed round.
sorta like how Kerry dropped against his fellow Skull and Bones brother Bush?
why would the terrorists attack us? the last time they did the entire world came to our defense and their was a tremendous outpouring of sympathy to the american people. but the way our leadership handled the situation turned off everybody and the good will was gone. why would they attack us again and bring back the sympathy? their leadership is far smarter than ours. all they have to do is threaten us once in a while and laugh at us 24 ours a day.
So many wish for Obama.
Just as so many wished for LBJ, Nixon '72, Reagan, Clinton.
Wish for a politician. Get what you want. Or not.
Captain Obama’s Bitter Half Husein Kangaroo @ 30:
We invade Australia or is it Austria first, maybe Ankh Morpork (suspicious name), some country with a name beginning with P maybe.
McC*nt is fully competent to start WW3 by mistake.
"Vietvet8666 @ # 25"
"Congress is a 18th Century idea."
The Congress, the Senate and the Constitution are all 18th century ideas and there are mechanisms to change and update all three, I believe.
Maybe the US has gotten too big to be governed by these 18th century ideas .
Washington politics is all about money. The Congress , Senate and Constitution are becoming ????? , (what would you say).
Wow...Black makes Rove look like fuzzy little puppy-dog in comparison
SCHRODINGER'S CAT @ 50:
Agree. It's a big idea, worthy of discussion. Not trying to duck the discussion. Just too many drinks to be helpful.
truth.... dont get me wrong... if you had read my previous statements.. you would know that my naivete is in question. i dont doubt that nothing is as it seems.. i just dont think its a "fate accomplis". perhaps i just dont have your "big picture" conceptual continuity here... but, i muddle through and wont throw in the towel just yet. peace dude.
Shouldn't Fox have a feature on how martial law could help America?
Ruling Class Rou @ 54:
hehehehe
Ruling Class Rou @ 54:
heh heh heh
You're either with us or against us. Won't get fooled again. heh heh heh
This Admin has done much worse than wish for terrorist attacks.
By all measurable means they have actively encouraged terrorism, going so far as using propaganda, unreasonable searches, torture, unlawful imprisonment and military actions against the Iraqi people (et.al.).
Chomsky has documented the history of our government's use and practice of terrorism for decades.
Hell, this country has been reaping the benefits of terror for a very long time.
redcat @ 47:
That's the damned truth.
Not to mention beating us silly in Iraq & Afghanistan is easier & more a much more logical tactic for them. Now if they could just convince us to attack Iran also... they'll have yet another way to humiliate the US military.
Ruling Class Rou @ 54:
If you aren't a criminal, why would you be against it?
BennyP @ 57:
even terrorism against their own people.
come on... you don't really think that 19 morons who could barely fly a Cessna without a qualified instructor present flew the big multi-engine jetliners? and outfoxed the US Air Force on the Eastern seaboard?
Do you?
Ruling Class Rou @ 54:
They do. Their primetime lineup.
it's
always
ok
if
you
are
a fucking
repug!
False Dmitriy @ 61:
and they're missing 24 for another ten months or less.
Which is scarier Diebold or dictators?
Captain Obama’s Bitter Half Husein Kangaroo @ 39:
and what will the people do AFTER boosh declares martial law and suspends the election?
"and they’re missing 24 for another ten months or less."
No Jack Bauer?? This is way toooo much.
alecia @ 64:
doesnt one necessarily lead to the other?
How nice! I'm sure that terrorists will be glad to take Mr. Black up on his offer. After all - if Iraq has taught us anything it is that Republican policies have swollen the ranks of terrorists. Who cares if an attack would kill thousands of citizens? The important thing to keep in mind is that the pipeline from the US Treasury to crony corporations must be kept open at all costs.
I don't understand why the GOP thinks that another terrorist attack would help them. You can't recreate a moment. A lot of water has passed under the bridge. We were a very naive nation when the Sept. 11th attacks happened. Today, America is a very bitter and angry country. I don't know what the reaction would be. I just wouldn't hold my breathe on Americans rallying around the flag. I kinda think that Americans would tend to blame their government for it. The GOP likes to talk in terms of losing a city; I don't even think that such a senario would benefit the GOP or the Federal Government. You have to keep in mind that we already lost a city(New Orleans), becuase of the incompetance of the Bush Administration. I think one more would just add to the bitterness. I don't think the GOP would get a lot of sympathy at this point.
alecia @ 64:
dicktaters using DIEBOLD!
“why would the terrorists attack us? the last time they did the entire world came to our defense and their was a tremendous outpouring of sympathy to the american people. but the way our leadership handled the situation turned off everybody and the good will was gone. why would they attack us again and bring back the sympathy?”
Let’s be honest, neither of the major candidates is going to differ much in how they would respond to a terrorist attack. If we were attacked we would surely bomb someone, probably whoever is next on the elite’s list. The people here would be scared and even more irrational, believing whatever they were told by those in power as long as they were told they were safer for following their orders. The blanket “terrorists” groups, whoever they are and whatever their grievances (since different groups have different strategies, grievances, represent different groups, etc), know this, know that we only tend to respond with violence and, in the end, that violence and the usage of our over bloated military would eventually work out for them.
Yes, people would rightfully have sympathy for us. Then they’d have sympathy for all the innocent people we’d kill in response. Then they’ll have sympathy for the people whose resources we’d steal, with the attack against us providing a justification, and we’ll be back roughly where we are now.
If we didn’t have two candidates so surrounded by the status quo, with the “liberal” one sucking up to AIPAC and the like, with an over bloated military budget and a reactionary public and group of elites, the attacks would be far less likely to achieve any objectives by the reactionary groups in the ME. As we stand here, our own intelligence agencies say a dirty bomb attack against us within in the next 10 years is about 50/50 and an overly reactionary & violent response to an attack would make that even more likely. Never, ever, should we pay attention to fundamental grievances, especially if the grievances are things that we have an incentive to not change.
Everybody including left, center, and right need to tell John Mccain that there is something worth losing an election for. His integrity.
Nobody cares about his honor anymore!!! If you lose John Mccain, you have only yourself to blame.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over DIEBOLD! @ 65:
Martial law is a fancy name for military law. You need an Army to declare martial law. The American Army is in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unless Booosh is willing to pull the troops out, martial law is not an option. I wouldn't worry about it happening anytime soon.
al Qaeda's done with the USA. bin Laden said mission accomplished a long time ago.
The GOP took the bait like a republican congressman taking the gloryhole prize in a bath house.
"Martial law is a fancy name for military law. You need an Army to declare martial law. The American Army is in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unless Booosh is willing to pull the troops out, martial law is not an option. I wouldn’t worry about it happening anytime soon."
There are private companies who can do that. I live in San Diego, it would take them about a half hour to be in my neighborhood and I have no gun to do a damn thing about it.
I think it's interesting to see how fast people begin throwing mud (on both sides) when a comment is made that can be taken out of context. Bottom line, the Republican party should NOT apologize for anything. (you may start the mud-throwing and spitting now if you'd like). The man was asked a specific question and made the mistake of honestly answering it. His opinion, to which he is entitled by the first amendment liberals so cherish when it suits them, was that in the terrible, tragic event of a successful attack, McCain would be more likely to be elected. Hmm. Sounds like he believes people would want more experience at the helm, maybe even someone who's been in a war? As usual it's been distorted, giving the conspiracy whack-jobs fuel for their fire. An uniformed vote is dangerous. Left or right, it's best to understand the facts and to know how to divine them. Let the mud-throwing begin! :-)
StirFry @ 73:
All the evidence, if it exists, is being held by the Bush Administration. We have no idea what really happened. Everyone just assumes that Bush is being honest about Osama, but lied about Saddam. I don't know what to believe. It may very well be that the Sept. 11th attacks were carried out by 17 people and the whole war on terror was a farce from day 1. After all, we are talking about Bush.
Martial law means you have no rights. We're half way there already. I've no doubt Bush would play that card but the US public may not react well. ie pushback. Maybe I'm delusional and missjudged my fellow americans. I live in the Midwest and lots of folks have been drinking the Koolaide. I imagine some would sign up for the military if Busg declared martial law. UGH....
Thank God Republicans would never turn a blind eye to an impending terror attack that suited their own political purposes. There's absolutely nothing to worry about here.
Um, wouldn't prove that Bush's tactics did not make us safer?
That would be a really big win for the Republicans - to demonstrate that, even with the greatest military force in history, and illegally spying on whoever it wants with a big computer that scans everything, they can't protect us against yet ANOTHER terrorist attack on THEIR WATCH.
Yeah, everybody's gonna want more of that!
I Like Pie @ 72:
all you would need is somewhere to make an example of...
just like you don't have to go after everyone to pay their taxes...
in most cases these days...you would have people self-policing themselves...
plus, the Bush Admin has already recruited the churches and pastoral leaders to plead for calm and cooperation during a crisis.
reference: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/160807_quell_dissent.htm
See, the mud hits the walls... As do the distortions. I won't hang around long with the hostile crowd, but consider...
He was not asked whether he thought an attack was likely. He was asked, IF an attack occurred, did HE think it would make it easier to get McCain elected. Remember, the topic is what he SAID and the response to it. The fact is, another attack on American soil has NOT happened. The issue is what Black's comments mean. Specifically, we should first look at what he meant to convey. Considering it's a question any politician should know to side-step (due to how it can be taken out of context,) I would agree - stupid thing to say. But I'm also just as sure he told the truth as he saw it. Too many people have taken his opinion as a comment on what he 'might' want or what Republicans 'might' want regarding another attack on this country. Keep in mind, people of all parties and from a wide array of backgrounds have lost their lives in this war, starting with 9/11. Just because a person is conservative, or Republican doesn't mean they would justify the death of innocent civilians to further a political agenda.
Last note - RIP George Carlin. Didn't agree politically, but a funny, insightful and generous person left us today.
Truth B Told @ 81:
I understand what you are talking about; but, it's not martial law. What you are talking about is a police state. Martial law is a very specific thing where the civilian laws are no longer enforced and civilians fall under the UCMJ. In order to impose martial law, the civilian courts and civilian law enforcement would have to be sent home. Bush would have to have millions of military personal to replace the civilian police forces and courts to declare martial law. I can tell you that the military is in no position to do this. They have even failed to impose martial law in Iraq.
When it comes, this was our warning. Thanks for the heads-up, Charlie
Listen Kevin Lowe (message #82and 75)....I'll put it into proper context for you : There hasn't been a terrorist attack since 9/11. We should be thankful to Bush, Cheney , Rumsfeld and Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter for that ! Bill O'Reilly too ! He's my Hero ! Now let's look at the facts : If another terrorist attack does happen before November- that proves that the Republicans have been right all along. If an attack doesn't occur - that proves that the republicans have been right all along. Either way - they are right. That's because they are more Christian. I know without a doubt who will do the terrorist attack before the Nov. elections ; IT WILL BE DONE BY THE TERRORISTS THAT WERE RELEASED FROM GUATANAMO BAY PRISON IN CUBA ! THE CHRISTIANS ARE ALWAYS MORAL AND RIGHT. Don't question them. Open the gates of the FEMA Concentration Camps ! Dick Cheney, Ann Coulter, Scooter Libby, Ted Haggerty, Larry Craig are all American Heros with a Wide Stance and a Christian Heart.
FIRE this guy
@ 71 G String
“The blanket “terrorists” groups, whoever they are and whatever their grievances (since different groups have different strategies, grievances, represent different groups, etc), know this, know that we only tend to respond with violence and, in the end, that violence and the usage of our over bloated military would eventually work out for them.”
G String, for a thorough deconstruction of the mythology of “international terrorism,” see “The War On Truth,” by Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed.
“[al Qaeda] has no existence as an independent concrete entity. It designates a highly developed category of Western covert operations designed to secure destabilization through the creation, multiplication, mobilization, and manipulation of disparate mujahideen groups. The evidence suggests that this was certainly the case on 9-11.” – N. Ahmed, from "The Hidden History of 9-11-2001"
I Like Pie @ 83:
Fair argument.
I think they would be satisfied with police state. they have put all the chess pieces into position to impose some form of martial law/police state or some permutation of the two. between legislative enactments and executive orders they have got a good groundwork. but it is a risky gambit.
this also presupposes that the the arrangements the U.S. government has entered into via the newly formed SPP with Canada/Mexico and other nations military forces were "temporarily" deployed to a crisis area for civilian management.
wonder whether he’s actually hoping for one?
I'll give you even odds he's doing more then hoping.
Can't you just come out and say it? He's not just fucking HOPING for one, they are planning one. The only question will be; are they desperate enough to follow through on their continuing reign of terror?
Why would ANYONE think that?
This whole attitude comes form a totally geo/ethno-centric way of thinking:
Terrorists already DID strike since 9/11...
REMEMBER the Madrid train station??
Remember the London Underground??
Bush and McCain talk and act like WE'RE IN THIS ALONE. They NEVER consider the rest of the world to be involved in this "war on terror."
Another attack on America's soil SHOULD BE THE DEATH NOLL for McSame's campaign... proving beyond a shadow of doubt that our present foreign policy is a miserable failure... and Homeland Security DOES NOT EXIST.
Please, Mr. Obama, deliver us from these idiots.
Ruling Class Rou @ 54:
Haven't they been doing that all along?
Black and his manchurian candidate are probably planning the attack as we blog.
If it results in a bump in the polls, these criminals can justify anything.
Seems to me the last successful terrorist attack happened during a Republican Administration. This Republican Administration. Is this some sort of strange 'badge of honor' for them?
Wow, this guy is running a presidential campaign??? What ever happened to the Republican's drumbeat for values? This guy's values come from the bowels of hell. Representing these dictators and terrorists is evidence of his total and complete lack of morals, ethics, and any concern for humanity. He will do anything whatsoever for a buck, and McCain will bring him lots and lots of business. All I can think now is McCain has sold his soul for his egotistical need to be president. He will owe these lobbbyists big time and our country will pay dearly if he wins/steals the election.
Wanna think of something REALLY scary? Does anybody remember what Reagan's cronies were doing in Iran when they were running against dopey-but-turns-out-he's-right, Jimmy Carter?
As I recall, they were negotiating with terrorists to impact the US presidential election. Those who ignore history...
Another successful terrorist attack in America would simply prove that the Republicans/conservatives/neocons who have had control of the nation's security for the past 7 to 8 years have failed, have spent billions and we are no safer than we were before.
This would burn McCain badly.
Koshchei @ 97:
You obviously don't understand heard mentality. It really depends on the number of people the neocons would kill in their attack. A small one would cause every soccer mom and dad in the US to vote for the guy who wants to bomb Iran. A really big fake terrorist attack would allow Chimpy to declare a state of emergency, suspending the constitution he has ignored for 8 years and suspending the elections indefinitely.
McBush could probably work out a deal to become Cheney's lap dog.
I don't see how this would help him. The biggest attack was under a republican and people now know that it's our jacked up policy overseas that causes this stuff. I think it would help Obama.
Maybe, Rove is projecting Bush into Obama. Perhaps it is because loyal Karl finally has learned that being a valued servant of the Have Mores makes one no less expendable, confers only a conditional status rescindable for any reason, and never merits membership in the country club.
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