Huckabee rejects 'internet driven drivel' about Obama
By Steve Benen Monday Jun 23, 2008 7:30amAs unsuccessful presidential candidates go, Mike Huckabee has done a fine job of keeping himself in the spotlight. He’s a Fox News contributor; he’s formed a new political vehicle for himself; he raised a few eyebrows with his bashing of Libertarians; and he even defended Barack Obama once his former pastor starting drawing media attention.
And now, Huckabee’s a blogger — with some advice for his party on how to approach the general election.
What I am saying is that we need to challenge Obama on the basis that his ideas are the wrong ones — not attacking him personally. If people spend their time repeating a bunch of internet driven drivel about his middle name (he didn’t choose his anymore than I chose mine), or his race (I do sincerely celebrate that our country has moved to a place where a person’s race doesn’t limit him from aspiring to the highest office in our land, but I just believe that due to his proposals and lack of substantive experience, he’s gone far enough — not because of his race, but because of his sincere, but misguided proposals), or his church (there are far more important reasons for us to elect Senator McCain than where Obama went to church).
Politics ought to be VERTICAL and Obama’s ideas will not take this country UP, but DOWN. I think he is a sincere and obviously a very intelligent and charismatic person. For us to deny that is foolish. Our focus should be to logically and systematically explain why ideas really do matter and why some are bad for those struggling as it is to pay the rent.
I have to admit, all of this sounds quite nice. Huckabee thinks Obama’s just wrong. That’s fine; given Huckabee’s ideology, he’s supposed to think Obama’s wrong. Huckabee doesn’t much seem to care about identity politics and nonsensical email chains. He thinks Republicans are offering one set of ideas, Democrats are offering another set of ideas, and Republicans’ pitch is superior. That, and nothing else, is what matters.
I find all of this quite endearing, even though I’m certain there’s no way on earth Republicans will follow Huckabee’s advice.
The problem isn’t that Republicans are somehow evil, malicious people who enjoy character assassination for sport. There may be some who fall into this category, but not many.
Rather, Huckabee’s notion of a pure battle of ideas/agendas won’t work because voters … how do I put this gently … don’t like Republican ideas right now. GOP attack dogs need “character assassination with half truths, innuendoes, and disputable ‘internet facts’” because the polls are telling them that without these tactics, Republicans don’t stand much of a chance.
If, to borrow, Huckabee’s example, someone is struggling to pay the rent, that person is probably not going to be drawn to the candidate who wants tax cuts for millionaires, has rejected increases to the minimum wage, and has an awful healthcare policy. That same voter, however, may hesitate if they think the better candidate was trained at a madrassa and shouldn’t be trusted because of his middle name and lack of flag lapel pins.
I’d be absolutely thrilled if Obama’s detractors decided there was no need to attack him personally. But they realize — and I suspect they’re right — that if this election is about the issues, Obama’s going to win.
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You know Republicans won't take his advice because there ideology is wrong and only works for the rich and richer of the country.
If the Republicans don't fight dirty they don't know how to fight at all. They have no substance, that is why they run on fear, because they have no hope to run on!
Huckabee aspires to be part of a GOP that doesn't exist. I have no use for his politics but I give him credit for taking the high road in this instance. However, his fellow republicans will not heed his words. And that's fine... because they are going to lose.
Repubs have been in POWER for the last 8 years, their only policy has been to make the rich richer.
Period.
But of course they couldnt solve the country's problems because they were bravely battling the 'Turrists and keeping the country safe from Evil 'Ferriners.
Put em all in prison where they belong.
Huckababy:
"logically and systematically"?!?
This, from someone who believes that the earth is only 6000 years old?
Obama's going to win for issues and also for his 50 state strategy, his half a billion dollars, and the fact that McLame is a very weak candidate. The fact he is half white and black will cost him 3 in 10 racist voters, that still leaves 70% who will at least consider him.
Huckabee thinks that elections should be about ideas!? Not ideology!? Allright - fun is fun, but enough of The Onion already!
I don't think that Huck is against demonizing Obama per say, he just believes the Repugs will lose if that is McSame's entire campaign.
As far as his saying Obama will bring the country down, just what does he call the last 8 years? Progress?
Duncan @ 5:
"logically and systematically"?!?
This, from someone who believes that the earth is only 6000 years old?
Keeping the timeframe limited allows them to focus more effectively...
LMAO How obtuse do you have to be to believe that Republicans have GOOD IDEAS?
steve grossman @ 6:
You are correct on all your points, but don't be surprised if this criminal administration orchestrates another attack on America (or a close neighbor) to scare the American people into keeping Republicans in power...and don't think Americans are just scared enough to vote for McWorse if another attack is carried out!
Don't be fooled by the Huckster. "Vertical thinking" is code for believers in divine revelation (from above, hence vertical) as opposed to secularists, who are guilty of humanism (or "horizontal" thinking.
It's a dog whistle call to his evangelical followers.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/062745.php
Fried squirrel eating Christo-fascist Mike Huckabee.
Note:
"Politics ought to be VERTICAL and Obama’s ideas will not take this country UP, but DOWN."
This is a dog whistle to the Fundies. Vertical means Up to God and ideas that bring us DOWN - well you know where that is.
So, He wants to take the high ground and not demonize Obama personally but rather let it be known that Obama's ideas are satanic. Quite the high road.
Well, to repeat what others have already said, i have to applaud Huckabee for at least trying to elevate the conversation and talk about ACTUAL issues. Of course, as has also been said, this isn't going to happen because the neo-cons have take over the GOP. Maybe, a generation from now, when/if the Republicans get their heads back on straight, they'll actually discuss and debate issues rather than come up with long running smear campaigns.
If the republicans think they can win by having a battle of ideas it's over.... as hideous as the democrats ideas are, they're still far more palatable than the "kill em all" mentality of the republicans.
Is it the fried squirrel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj3QAzSWVA4 that makes Christo-fascist want to re-draft the Constitution to fit their interpretation of God's law http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onHkywYc_1M ?
Or maybe their just plain nuts go begin with.
Is it the fried squirrel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj3QAzSWVA4 that makes Christo-fascist want to re-draft the Constitution to fit their interpretation of God’s law http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onHkywYc_1M ?
Or maybe they're just plain nuts go begin with.
This then explains why Huckabee did not win his party's nomination. Repubes are not about that sort of political campaign. When was the last time a repube ran on issues and policies more then fear and distain for their opponent. they are the school yard bullies of the american political system. Time and time again they state negative ads work. What we are seeing in recent weeks is classic Rove textbook stuff, define your opponent first and get the message out in any form and any way you can. Do not rely of facts or even proof, just get the images planted. It's all about the fear and smear. Has the country had enough of that approach in times like these? Does the Obama campaign understand and have a plan to counter all of this?
Newton Minnow @ 12:
I think it's also a good idea to seem very fair and honest when your party is about to lose, and some will inevitably blame tactics instead of, you know, a complete dearth of ideas. Then in four years, the Huckster's branded himself as the "voice of reason," when he's actually the voice of the extreme evangelical set. President Huckster? He's planning, now.
Although I completely disagree with Huckabee on most things, I always felt that he was one of two candidates, the other being Ron Paul, who were sincere. I believe that Huckabee believes what he says about concentrating on the real issues.
It amuses me that while Democrats complain about "Republican Smear-and-Fear" tactics when a Republican suggests elevating the discourse to be about issues almost all the comments are personal attacks against said Republican and the Republican party in general. You automatically assume that Obama will win on the issues, but rather than discuss the issues you resort to adhominem attacks. Shocking as this may seem, Democrats are just as likely to use smear tactics as Republicans. Anyone who doubts that should go look at the ads the Democrats were running against each other in their own primary. Just because you believe the vicious attack ads the Democrats play are fair because you hate Republicans doesn't make them not attack ads.
Why is this idiot given even the time of day? No less a thread on a blog.
This man's lack of intelligence and bigoted sense of humor tells it all. He made a total jackass of himself during the debates and needs to find his highest calling which is a stand-in for "Barney Fife".
Huckabee has fed at the public trough for so long he will say anything. He is like the loser brother-in-law with the inbred kids and the doltish wife who will do anything to get into the local country club so he can enjoy an endless buffet on somebody else's dime.
Rethuglican @ 22:
The Dems are fast on the learning curve; after all, they learned everything they know from their criminal Repuke counterparts. Now let's see what the ugly Repuglicans do when the Dems get the goods on them through illegal wiretapping. I'd say the prisons will be filled with ex-Repuke Congressmen. Oh yeah....that's already happening, isn't it?
What Huckabee says depends on his audience.
Clearly, he was not at an NRA BBQ.
kablooie @ 24:
Huckleberry Dinkelberry does remind me of someone with a disturbing genetic pool. Either the pool was empty or someone screwed the pup somewhere along the line.
I can actually respect Huckabee's approach to this. I can't really respect him because WAYNE DUMOND, but he is trying to put this discussion in the context it belongs, which is what are the ideas of the competing parties and their relevance to American life?
Contrast this to Karl Rove's recent attempt to attack Obama from the left, by painting him as a country-club elitist (and all this time I thought he was an ex-Black Panther firebrand who was taking direction from Reverend Wright)! Rove focuses on the superficial because it can be manipulated however he wants. The actual issues that people are having in their lives are of no interest to him whatsoever because he's a sociopath and he's only interested in using people for his own ends.
I can't say that's not the case with Huck, and maybe the Dumond thing is just a case of spectacularly awful judgment, but it does seem to be true that he wants to have this thing out on the issues. It's ever too bad for him that the reality behind those issues are not at all favorable to the Republican viewpoint.
"I know we screw everything up last time, but you can rest assured that if you give us another chance, we'll do exactly the same thing again".
Huckabee taking the high road on this is correct. But he is wrong in saying that politics is verticle and Obama will bring us down. How can we be brought down any lower than Cheney and Bush have brought us? It doesn't matter what approach the GOP takes this election, the high road or the low road, all roads lead to a Democrat for President.
Newton Minnow @ 12:
RIGHT!
I was trying to think where that bizarre 'politics ought to be vertical' line came from ...
I think Huckabee just isn't hateful enough to be a true Republican.
What, and Hucklebee thinks he had the experience to be president?
Simon White-Thatch Potentloins @ 3:
This says it all.
I posted my comment above without reading the others first. I didn't know verticle was code for heaven. My comments still apply. Bush and Cheney have taken this nation straight down to hell.
The problem isn’t that Republicans are somehow evil, malicious people who enjoy character assassination for sport. There may be some who fall into this category, but not many.
Unfortunately, those millions of nice Republicans you are talking about are not the ones running the party or the party's political operations. The party leadership and its network of media personalities are the thugocracy who have spent the last three decades deliberately turning our political dialogue into a Junior High gossip and sneer session. Check out the bios of Nixon's "Ratf**k" squad, Roger Ailes, Michael Deaver, Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich, and Tom Delay. They are quite proud of their accomplishments.
Tom Delay said that he didn't care if his smear tactics poisoned the political process and drove people away from politics. His voters were going to show up at the polls no matter what, and the more "nice" people who stopped participating and voting, the better off he would be.
To put it in Huckabee's terms, those who stood by and did nothing-- those "nice" Republicans you mention--carry a heavy burden of sin for letting creeps and thugs take over their party.
Simon White-Thatch Potentloins @ 3:
Huckabee's real position is "Republican politicians should stay 'above the fray' and leave the ugly stuff to their minions. Oh, and it never hurts to half-heartedly 'condemn' any particularly vicious rumor so that it can dominate the pundit talking head circuit for a while..."
Balakirev @ 20:
Bring out the popcorn poppers for the Inaugural Dinner ...boy howdy!
What's up with McCain's 300 million award for a car battery that surpassed the Japanese ones? Why haven't anyone ever mentioned that McCain had the Cold War mentality? How about trying to make at least similar cars in terms of quality and efficiency than the Asian ones? I'd suggest McCain gives that 300 million to his buddies from the military industrial complex and ask them to make a nuclear powered car - I'm sure it will "leap-frog" the existing ones, will be priced steeply, efficient, drive forever and break only once. Now that's a slogan. Car that drives forever, but when it malfunctions, run. Saab - Born from Jets, McMobile - Born from Subs. Geez. Didn't GM build electric cars in the '90s that were later shredded to pieces, green cars that drove 80 miles before requiring a recharge? As we all know GM came up with a new car named Volt that drives 40 miles due in 2010 - now that's a kind of progress that must drive McCain crazy - no wonder he announces contests like that. OK, Let's call it what it is - BS. This is all BS. One step forward, two steps backwards, isn't it, if we're not better, we must keep drilling, the new American leadership and philosophy in the post-Bush era by anti-environment oil-man in disguise owned by the US auto and energy industry John McCain it appears who asks Americans (now that's some nerve!) for "new" batteries while worldwide cumulative sales of Toyota Prius passed 1 million and their batteries are perfectly fine for everyone else but the McCain campaign. Geez, what a bunch of lying f**ktards.
Reverend Shooter: "Politics ought to be VERTICAL and Obama’s ideas will not take this country UP, but DOWN"
Gas prices, price of living, war fatalities, global temperatures, number of GOP high crimes/scandals, oil profits?
Yeah, a whole lotta shit has gone UP in the last eight years. So naturally the GOP resorts to plan B...old trusty.
The other day my 8 year old son piped up about the Primaries in the grocery store parking lot. He said Obama was his number 1 choice, Huckabee was his number 2 choice, and he said he liked Hillary, Hillary was his number 3 choice. I guess he was kind of like me, in saying Hillary was OK after dropping out. Before she dropped out it was boo Hillary. Well anyway, I digress. I just thought it was interesting he would bring up Mike Huckabee's name after not being in the race for like over 4 months. I never asked my son why he likes Huckabee, but I would guess, is he seems to be an honest guy, whether you agree with him or not.
I lived thru a decade of the Huckster's governorship of my home state. Some of the highlights:
* he let a rapist go free and the guy killed some women in Missouri
* he parked a mobile home on the governor's mansion lawn while millions of dollars in renovations were made at the governor's mansion, during a time of lost jobs and declining wages
* his son was caught torturing a dog to death at Boy Scout camp and he had the whole thing hushed up
* he accepted gifts, used state-supplied vehicles, aircraft, and security to go on vacations and generally live as high on the hog as one can in Arkansas
He'd make a great third world dictator... in fact, while serving as Governor he referred to Arkansas as a "banana republic."
Whatta guy.
"The problem isn't that Republicans are somehow evil, malicious people who enjoy character assassination for sport. There may be some who fall into this category, but not many."
steve, i'm sorry but you lost me here...prove this assertion.
we've got republicans everywhere who subscribe to, participate in, and practice character assassination.
as a very incomplete list...
bloggers and news:
drudge
malkin
limbaugh
ingraham
coulter
kristol
billo
fox news as a whole
politicians:
mitch McConnell
McCain
romney
giuliani
bush
cheney
gonzales
scalia
rove
libby
perino
religious:
hagee
robertson
dodson
donohue
and finally in the most telling example of all
republican unwashed masses:
anyone who watches fox news likes character assassination as a spectator sport.
any person who can view the last 7 years as anything but a disaster for our country and support more of the same is complicit...that includes the at least 20-30% of the u.s. population who still supports bush.
there's plenty of them out there.
The only thing I have to say about this batch of RepugliKKKans is this: Hang 'em high and hang 'em hard!!
I always thought Huckabee to be the most personable of the Republican candidates. If you can manage to get past that he watches The Flintstones like it's a documentary, he's only mildly nuts.
WHEN THE TALK GOES TO THE ISSUES..... you may agree that the Huckster stands by his beliefs BUT it is not true.
It is the COMMON practice of quoting from the BIBLE what you want to believe and skipping the part you don't.
If the BIBLE were the guide, and Huckster honest, he would .....not only address GAYS.... but address DIVORCE.....
.....not only address FREEDOMS..... but address SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY
.....not only address DEMOCRACY..... but address AN ILLEGAL WAR
.....not only address GUN CONTROL.... but address GUN RESPONSIBILITY
.....not only address ABORTION.... but address UNDERSTANDING AND COMPASSION
The BIBLE has already been interpreted a dozen times over, and each interpretation changes the meaning--- feels like watching an OLD western and seeing cowboys with 1950 haircuts..... then a later western and seeing them with cool 1970's cuts..... then a modern western etc......
THE BIBLE is interpreted to support WHATEVER is the belief of the moment.
JESUS WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN A REPUBLICAN... regardless of their ANTI-ABORTION chatter.... the GREED... the ANGER... the FEAR-MONGERING... the SEXUAL PREDITORS... TORTURE?... UNPROVOKED ATTACK... ILLEGAL IMPRISIONMENT...
HUCK "seems" like an honest guy ? ? ? I thought HANNIBLE THE CANNIBLE was charming, myself, but I never had dinner with him !!!!
It's easy to be honest when you don't have to pander to the basest base anymore.
When Huckabee talks about Obama bringing the country down, he is talking code to the rich. He is telling them that only another rich white guy will allow them to continue sucking the country dry.
Just like Bush's continual mention of freedom is also code to the corporations. Bush means while he is in charge the corporations and the ultra rich have the freedom to exploit, lie, steal and break any pesky constitutional laws that get in the way.
I think freedom (from God) is all that Lucifer ever wanted. Unlimited freedom is not necessarily a good thing.
Huckabee is looking to be obama's vp.
Huckabee was the guys who said this about the Rev. Wright flap -
"we've gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told "you have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can't sit out there with everyone else. There's a separate waiting room in the doctor's office. Here's where you sit on the bus..." And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me."
- not bad for a republican.
Pillow Pants @ 45:
Hey, you know, Huckabee kinda looks like Barney Rubble. I guess that makes McCain Fred Flintstone. Naw, he's not working class enough.
Speaking of obama
http://www.uclick.com/client/nyt/gm/
Isn't that crossing some kind of line
And not the kind that went up my nose in the Air Force?
I jut heard from my brother's barber best friend, that Obama prays to mecca everyday, doesnt want to tell what his netflix queue is.....
53 el matador, the fighting chicken Says: I jut heard from my brother’s barber best friend, that Obama prays to mecca everyday…..
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At least he's not praying to a meccaca.
The Huckster is giving the GOP the Christian path to victory, but they are so hate-swollen, they won't take it.
The modern right is based upon hate and fear; their Christianity a fig-leaf for necrotic souls.
No, republicans, don't listen to Huckabee! Listen to Newt and Karl, they'll lead you to victory!
Jeebus's retarded cousin speaks. How yawn inducing.
Huckabee messes with my head. On one hand, everything he believes is wrong, wrong, wrong. On the other hand, he comes across as charming, reasonable, funny, and likable.
If I weren't an atheist, I might suspect him of being the anti-christ. He's just too charming. As is, I have to say I think it's nice that he's saying nice things.
I've never known a Republican that knows anything about the issues, what going to change now? They have the media talkie machine well greased and in attack mode. What a bunch of B.S.!
el matador, the fighting chicken @ 53:
How about praying for Mecca, CA? They could use the help...
http://www.city-data.com/city/Mecca-California.html
The last thing the repubs can afford to do is run on their record OR on their plans for the future.
The only strategy is to keep their base so busy talking about rumors & smears that they don't have time to notice that THEIR GUY is pathetic.
Smears & fears.... that's how you get republican voters to fall into line.
Right. From a guy who backpedaled on :raise your hand if you don't believe in Evolution. There is a real open-minded fellow, with a outside-the-box brain.
It's funny, a couple weeks back I criticized C/L and co for running with the McCain wife story because it was off the issues and I took so much flak for it.
Huckabee's right about focusing on the issues, and we're doubtful that anyone will listen because as we say, republicans are evil. What does that make us when we don't focus on issues? Hypocrites at best!
I commend Huckabee for trying to be honest here but it will have long term costs for him if he tries to interfere with the right wing war machine.
Dismissing Obama's middle name, race and former pastor as drivel is not the way to keep a job at Fox News. It's not going to get him McBush's VP poistion either. What is his motivation besides the religious code language?
62 RD
My guess is hockaloogy is only positioning himself for a vp run, by being the soft cop to mccain's hard cop.
Respect! Huckabee advises clean intelligent political debate. My regard for him just went up dramatically.
Huckabee is a 7 year-old in a man's suit. He would have caught the eye of many of his superiors had he been at Treblinka.
earl @ 38:
Aaaah, Huckabee.
Does he have any more assassin jokes? Maybe he's going to proclaim himself McCain's personal Jesus? Is he still creaming his pants while dreaming of Armageddon?
He might smile, and quote the bible less, but he's still a dangerous religious nut.
No more criminals and lunatics. We've had enough.
The irony of Huckabee calling anyone misguided when he doesn't even believe in evolution...
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Duncan @ 5:
"logically and systematically"?!?
This, from someone who believes that the earth is only 6000 years old?
I know. This guy is a real nut. Yet this is the most cogent rational political statement I have heard this year from either side. Ron Paul is dangerously crazy too, yet he was the only one with anything meaningful to say in the Rep. debates.
When the only sane statements come from the radical and lunatic fringe, we're really in trouble.
I Disagree Mr Hukabee It's Not Obama's Color Or What Church He Choose's To Attend.The Fact Of The Matter Is He Chose To Not Identify Himself Throughout This Campaign And Now We Are Suppose To Vote For Him,Why Because He's The Supposingly Saviour,I'm Not Buying.He Were Born A Muslim And He Will Die A Muslim,You Know It Amazes Me How In The Hell Do You People Know So Much About Obama,When He Chose Not To Divulge His Pass History,And He Just Happens Out Of The Clear Blue Sky,Now We Have 18 Million People Who Confess To Know Mr Obama When He Chose Not To Make That Public Interest To Any Of Us,So Tell Me Obama Fanatics How Do You Claim To Know This Person When He Informed Noone,So How Do You Know,He Told You Himself,You Have A Crystal Ball,You Went To School Together,Your Mother Know's Him From Wayyyyyyyyyy Back,Explain To Me How In The Hell Do You People Know Anything About Barack Obama Other Than What He's Told You,Which Amount's To Nothing.I Challenge Anyone To Prove Me Wrong!
Jack-The-Ripper @ 72:
I were born a terrorism and i'll die a terrorism but i will not give any free pass and you have no right of their history they happen out of clear blue sky of 18 million people who confessed to looking into crystal balls in schools together with my mother. What the hell?
xoites defends Constitution @ 73:
Ha ha... that really made me laugh!
Sadly though, I can't believe Huckabee said that! If he's sincere, and despite my skepticism which borders on cynicism I'd like to believe that he is, that's a brave thing to put out there for all the rightwingers to see.
Huckleberry--out of the mainstream, floating downstream like a dead fish. And ZDC. What's with the Caps? English your native language?
Jack-The-Ripper @ 72:
I think this child was left behind ....
Hucakbee:" Policies ought to be VERTICAL,and Obama's ideas will not take this country UP,but Down".
Such description of Obama is premature..because we do not know yet how Obama will do as a president, unless someone is listening to Fox and Huckabee ranting???
But we have right now a President in office that we know where he took the country in 8 years as a president in terms of UPs and DOWNs ,yet no word of criticism from neither Huckabee nor Fox network on how Bush took the country DOWN in his 8 presidential years.
That's your own opinion Mr. Huckabee, about UPs and DOWNs...!!...but it is not shared by millions of American voters,and you did not base it on facts...but only on empty political rhetoric.
Hard cop/Soft cop
Is that one of those "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" sitiations?
Huckabee rejects ‘internet driven drivel’ about Obama
Jack-The-Ripper @ 72:
Talk about internet driven drivel!
earl @ 76:
And beaten severely about the face and neck...what a completely brainwashed fucktard.
I like Huckabee -- he's a good man, and the Republicans would be better if they had MORE like him.
xoites defends Constitution @ 73:
Holy shit this is the funniest ever!
ysbaddaden @ 65:
The wingnuts hate the huckster more than McSame. If they want a VP that is evil, it's going to be Romney or something...
Mike Huckabee and all the gop reichwingneocon fuckheads think
if you are in a hole, the only way out is to keep digging. the repigs
have dug us into the worse debt in history and the lowest standing
in the world's view. hitler enjoyed better favor than bush/cheney.
the only difference in them, is hitler is dead....
I met Huckabee once, he's got a great personality and fun to be around and sticks to his convictions. Problem is his views are apeshit crazy, really sad though, if he had polar opposite political views, I'd follow him to hell and back.
rd @ 82:
I know, I nearly spewed water outta my nose reading that shit!! THANKS Xoites!
Thanks Reverend. Was that your sermon on the mount?
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