D.C. Agents impound investigative reporter's Laptop for no reason
A controversial customs practice creates a legal backlash:
Returning from a brief vacation to Germany in February, Bill Hogan was selected for additional screening by customs officials at Dulles International Airport outside Washington, D.C. Agents searched Hogan's luggage and then popped an unexpected question: Was he carrying any digital media cards or drives in his pockets? "Then they told me that they were impounding my laptop," says Hogan, a freelance investigative reporter whose recent stories have ranged from the origins of the Iraq war to the impact of money in presidential politics.
Shaken by the encounter, Hogan says he left the airport and examined his bags, finding that the agents had also removed and inspected the memory card from his digital camera. "It was fortunate that I didn't use that machine for work or I would have had to call up all my sources and tell them that the government had just seized their information," he said. When customs offered to return the machine nearly two weeks later, Hogan told them to ship it to his lawyer...read on
I don't know why, but I thought of this movie as I read the article: "The Russians Are Coming the Russians Are Coming. (h/t Mike Finnegan)
Hoooooooogan!!!!
And the 4th amendment, where is it? Oh wait, it is banished!
Jeez. What a relief. i know how much of a pain it is to call hundreds of people you barely know to tell them that their information was compromised.
Alice X @ 2:
the only amendment that matters these days is the 2nd.
Emergency, emergency. Everybody to get from streets.
This is appalling. If the country were so inclind, just how WOULD we dismantle DHS or even just the airport nonsense that's been crammed down our throats ever since 9/11 changed everything...?
When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
We're there folks.
Incremental advancements towards a police state occurring and speeding up after the Sept. 11th Tragedy.
The terroists hate us for our freedoms, so Bush has appeased them by taking our freedoms away from us.
Beelzebud @ 6:
Not quite yet...otherwise, we wouldn't be able to talk about it anymore.
Welcome to the Inquisition
The Bush Special Express from Liberty to the Dark Ages, Has arrived on track 13.
Please check all your freedoms at the entrance point. Thank you 23%rs for this Loss.
Those in mourning for the Death of Liberty in the USA please meet in the lounge.
BB.
I bet that someday, when discussing fascism, students will have a rule that when you bring up Bu$h's America of the early 21st century, the argument is over.
D.C. Agents impound investigative reporter’s Laptop for no reason
Did they unzip his fly first?
dw @ 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZStaaVuxsgg&feature=related
This has been going on for years. Once when returning to the country (at least 4 years ago now) I was selected for interrogation and the agents demanded to know who the people in my photos were. They took the camera out of the room where I was being interrogated and brought it back later. They also took every bit of paper in my bag (ticket stubs, tourist brochures etc.) and presumably made copies.
And the 4th amendment, where is it? Oh wait, it is banished!
Then try the 5th and/or Miranda. Encrypt the all living shit out of your data and if they ask for the key refuse to testify against yourself and maintain your right to keep silent.
Welcome to Korporate Amerika!
"We just kicked your asses on FISA and immunity for our friends and we're looking for the next civil liberty to trash"
I guess from now on Dude will have to encrypt his data and email it to himself. Since apparently we're not allowed to carry digital media or laptops anymore.
Sniff sniff, smells like the Stasi to me.
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The Security State is here to keep you safe and warm at night.
Enjoy your flight.
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Now I know what to do with all those 5 1/4" floppy disks I still have, pack them in my carryon luggage. How long would it take for them to find a disk drive so they can read my college papers from 1985 to 1991.
j @ 14:
I know, I get the same treatment when I come into the US. Last time I asked them if they were profiling me because of my race (I'm Italian and swarthy) which only made them punish me by leaving me in the room for about 30 minutes alone before the porky little jerk came back in. This routine has become de rigueur. My very Italian name is not enough to convince them (but then, they probably only have a grade school level education to be part of Homerland Security, duh)
The poster above is correct about putting what you want to keep on discs or chancing the checked luggage.
TheToonGuy @ 8:
R E M E M B E R:
THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS...
... And so THEY(sic) pass legislation allowing the president to usurp our FREEDOMS.
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I've heard more than a few stories of people going to and from Canada where they just download your whole hard drive so they can search through it later.
Awesome huh?
The Terrorists have won
When I returned from Jamaica back in 1986 I was deathly sick from drinking Pepsi's, Red Stripe Beer, and Rum Punches all the day before.
Everyone else got druink on the way back by ordering and reordering all those dinky bottles airlines serve.
So of course once we got back to DFW I was the one security wanted to frisk.
But then I was travelling alone, dressed all in black with a black van dyke, carrying a duffel bag with a tiny key I had difficulty finding.
I learned my lesson.
Don't drink Pepsi.
I was reminded of other movies besides the one that John Amato mentioned, such as Fahrenheit 451, 1984, Franz Kafka's The Trial, and the 60s British cult classic The Prisoner, where a person's individuality has been subsumed and replaced by a number.
And we used to say the Soviets had it bad. Welcome to the Soviet States of America.....disgusting!!
>> I suspect, that journalists are getting their laptops taken a lot more than anyone else.
This reminds me of the current ruling about lost IDs for airplane trips.
A year or so ago, I lost my drivers license. I actually got through customs quicker with NO ID whatsoever, by undergoing additional screening. I was surprised, and I considered enduring the chamber that puffs air at you, is a better compromise for a long line. I was really surprised, but I suppose, if this really is about "security" nobody needs to know who you are -- just that you aren't a threat.
To progressives and liberals, I don't need to explain the concept that treating people right, is the best deterrence against ter'rism. Conservatives, it appears, feel that the only thing holding most people back from raping and pillaging is the threat of pain and death. Maybe we need to worry more about these people -- as apparently, people who think this way must have some urges the rest of us don't.
With the new rules, however, if you want to get through without an ID, you need to "answer a question correctly." You must say that you lost your ID. Don't assert that you have any constitutional right to not be forced to show any ID. The checking your data on your flash drives and computers, might be because some senator was paid a ridiculous sum by an RIAA lobbyist -- I can't think that any citizen asked for this. Or it could be more of this "boiling the frog" -- trying to see how far they can push everyone to not assert our rights, because we don't want to be put on the "trouble-maker list." We are all terrorists until proven innocent. And nothing says "innocence" like a Heritage Foundation or some other right-wing card.
You don't attack golf courses, when you are likely to get let into the country club, do you?
I'm glad I'm not flying right now. I would be tempted to either create a dummy account on my MacBook with the user "TSA_Sux_POTUS_Ass" and it would include nothing but photos of farm animals, with famous Republicans doing things to them (mind you, tastefully, with artistic style) --- let that go onto a court record. Or I would just tell them to go "Cheney" themselves and force the issue of whether this is about controlling people or a war on ter'rer -- I think even Conservatives can guess the right answer on that one.
Do the bad guys not know about sending an encrypted message? If I were actually interested in sending a message to someone -- there is ZERO chance that it could be deciphered with simple Stenography. The only people they are going to catch is the innocent, who don't consider that the Establishment could make issue with whatever they have on their laptop.
"Let me see your papers""Let me have your digital media cards or flash drives"
Welcome to the 21st century.
I understand the need to search laptops but there must be a certain level of searching in that unless they find anything related to national security/terrorism than they should return the laptop as soon as possible. Two weeks is also crazy, I don't think I could do without my computer for two weeks, they need to find a better way to do this otherwise don't even bother doing it at all.
wheyghey @ 23:
BushCo sure is making Sharia Law look good.
>> That would probably take a bit of time -- and would only be used on "suspects." You know, like Michael Moore, Al Gore, or the Pope.
Fusty Doggo @ 30:
When airport security demand your papers
It's not a good idea
Even for a joke
To hand them your pack of Zig-Zags.
Crian Padayachee @ 31:
I can't understand ANY need to search a laptop unless I was already a suspect. It isn't Constitutional. It also makes ZERO sense. Someone up to no good isn't going to leave it on a laptop. They can transmit it separately or encode it somewhere nobody would suspect -- very, very easily. The al-qaeda they LET escape at Tora Bora, doesn't even use cell phones. So if the "alleged" masterminds of 9.11 don't use laptops -- who exactly are they targeting? Some profile of a fictitious future desperado?
There is no reason for holding a laptop for longer than it takes to download the hard drive -- this is just pure intimidation going on. They will push until people push back.
Freedum ain't free! I have nuthin to hide, and I'll give up all my freedums for freedum !!
I would highly encourage Russia and China to do the same thing, though they won't because they want people to visit their countries as opposed to the "closed door nation" that the boy Bush and his cartel have created.
Americans are so braindead and sleep walking that they dont' even see it when their constitutional rights are being thrown away.
"I understand the need to search laptops" -- Then you sir, are an anti-American fascist. Plain and simple. Read the 4th Amendment.
displaced @ 4:
Don't knock it. You may need that second amendment if the boy Bush cartel declares martial law.
D.C. Agents impound investigative reporter’s Laptop for no reason
So they connected his kneebone to his hip bone?
Crian Padayachee @ 31:
And you're blogging from WHERE? Ireland? You want to submit your laptop to the Garda for inspection, just to show us how ok you are with it?
Good Christ. STFU, buddy. We don't need THAT kind of help.
I worry about freedom of speech/expression when information on a lap-top can be opened under the same legal theory that permits customs/etc to open a suitcase or a briefcase.
Under what theory of international jurisprudence is "information" contraband???
I don't think most people grasp how far down this slippery slope can go. Once this becomes a legitimized practice at the borders, the legal argument to push it into normal everyday law enforcement encounters is trivial. Imagine being pulled over and along with frisking, having the investigating officer mirror your hard-drive. Or going through security at a political event and having the flash-drives on your camera being copied.
Now, living in the age of the terabyte and petabyte means that this information can be kept, indefinitely, and searchable in a database. Do you feel comfortable knowing that any government bureaucrat at DHS seeing your family pictures (the same pictures hanging in your hallway at home) or reading your financial ledger for last year (the same one locked away in a filing cabinet in your office)?
And this is just the personal privacy intrusions. Can you see international companies trusting the US with not looking at trade secrets if it's in our national interests? Talk about losing whatever trust we had left in the international community! How the District Court said this wasn't a violation of the 4th amendment is beyond me!
Cats r Flyfishn @ 38:
Don't you mean 'when'?
StirFry @ 35:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTHRg_iSWzM
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ysbaddaden @ 33:
Lol!
StirFry @ 35:
"Freedum!!!"
RIIIIIPPP...
Plop
And that's how you make Scottish chitlins.
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 9:
I'm not sure I agree with that. In a number of critical ways, the fangs have been drawn out of dissent - 'free speech zones,' a complicit media, conservative talk radio bloviators peddling hate-tinged nationalism in non-stop shout downs. And I certainly don't feel confident about liberty when our president says, "There ought to be limits to freedom." He sure as hell ain't talking about his freedoms, or those of his corporate sycophants.
It doesn't have to be personal; that one person is subjected to an illegal search damages the rights held by all of us. It's behind-the-scenes perfidy like Dick Cheney's secret energy policy meetings, or former chairman of the Committee for Public Broadcasting Kenneth Tomlinson trying to torpedo Bill Moyers.
If we turn a blind eye, if we try to pretend it's not that bad, or that it'll all be over on January 21, 2009, we're fooling ourselves.
Reminded of The Russians Are Coming, the Russians Are Coming? I can see that...when DHS is seizing laptops, cellphones, PDAs, etc., it sounds as if they're looking for Russians [terrorists] everywhere, because they don't know who the real terrorists are. It's a lot of fear-mongering, and people running around acting like Chicken Little. You never know, that iPod Nano may be hiding a bomb.
I wonder if he was placed on a list b/c of his work in Iraq?
I know a red haired American guy named Jimmy Farrell who was strip searched at an airport. Why? A high ranking member of the IRA named Jimmy Farrell is on a watch list.
Hummm..
Wonder what would happen if you refused to give these bozos your electronics at customs? Would they deport you?? Would they arrest you for "obstruction of justice" ? Would they take you in a back room and beat you with their brown knee-high boots until you submitted?
Hummm...
This pisses me off. Because there is NO security reason for doing this. They are doing this GESTAPO BULLSHIT BECAUSE THEY CAN. That's the only reason. They're pushing the goose-stepping envelope of jackbooted fascism. The DHS might as well all be wearing fucking swastikas.
Oh, and by the way, Fuck Godwin. Dumbass. Smart-mouthed motherfucker who made sure we couldn't seriously discuss the encroachment of our fascist police state right as it began to happen to us.
Crian Padayachee @ 31:
The reason this corrupt administration is able to get away with all of this crap is because of people like you. People who haven't a clue because you obviously have had your head in the sand these past 8 years. When they start throwing your neighbors and friends, maybe even you and your family into the detainment centers that they had Halliburton build maybe you will wake up. Clue: it will be way to late then. Just think, we are now a country of torture, maybe you will even be able to get a real feel for what these criminals have done to this country. Since this administration thinks the constitution is nothing but a piece of paper and that it is above the law, don't plan on knowing why you are there or for how long. Can't happen you say? The elections will prevent that? Think again, Bush has set up everything so he can declare martial law. He has his own militia that is better armored and better armed then even our military. Speaking of our military, we don't have enough members here in case of an emergency, they are all off fighting Bush's war. He has his detainment centers just waiting for his opportunity to start throwing Americans in. They are spying on everything you do. Telephones, e-mails, GPS can tell them where you are, where you have been, stealing computers to check what is on them, that is probably just the tip of the iceberg. He even has his sights on Iran so he can have a reason to declare martial law. Do you think these power hungry war mongering criminals will give up this control easily? Think again. I hope I am wrong but everything indicates this is a very real possibility.
RB-Chicago @ 51:
First, they'll try to convince you that your rights don't include protections against unreasonable search and seizure, because if you give your assent, it's legal.
If you continue to refuse, they'll threaten your freedom of travel.
Finally, they'll surround you with armed officers and force you to comply. If you're in Boston, expect an official to comment on how lucky it was that you chose to cooperate, otherwise you'd be dead. (This was said about the MIT student who'd wired LED's onto her hoodie.)
There's a reason 'Department of Homeland Security' sounds like a fascist organization. It is one.
Sleeping through the past week of 'debates'?
They no longer need a reason.
FISA is getting heavy support on both sides of the aisle.
Privacy is a Pre-911 mode of thought.
Get used to it- hell, embrace it: Vote Obama.
The letter to the editor at US News states that the government won't copy the serial numbers on people's guns because that would be an invasion of privacy.
Odd that the FBI under Mueller quashed a request to do the very same thing- check his computer- for Zacarias Moussaoui, who German intelligence had indicated has terror connections.
Dave Frasca (who was promoted after 9/11 and after this denial was made public) of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit (RFU) denies a request from the Minneapolis FBI field office to seek a criminal warrant to search the belongings of Zacarias Moussaoui, who was arrested on August 15 as part of an intelligence investigation. link
Shadowgm Hussein Says:
RB-Chicago @ 51:
Hummm..
Wonder what would happen if you refused to give these bozos your electronics at customs? Would they deport you?? Would they arrest you for “obstruction of justice” ? Would they take you in a back room and beat you with their brown knee-high boots until you submitted?
Hummm…
First, they’ll try to convince you that your rights don’t include protections against unreasonable search and seizure, because if you give your assent, it’s legal.
If you continue to refuse, they’ll threaten your freedom of travel.
Finally, they’ll surround you with armed officers and force you to comply. If you’re in Boston, expect an official to comment on how lucky it was that you chose to cooperate, otherwise you’d be dead. (This was said about the MIT student who’d wired LED’s onto her hoodie.)
There’s a reason ‘Department of Homeland Security’ sounds like a fascist organization. It is one.
YEOWWEE!!! I do believe the Stasi is here!!
Then again, there could be an upside to all this. You know that screenplay you wrote? Well, this would be one way to finally get someone to read it....
49 Leslie [Hussein]
How about The Mouse That Roared?
Or What If They Gave a War and Nobody Came?
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RB-Chicago @ 51:
displaced @ 4:
Apparently.
slippy hussein toad @ 52:
Actually Godwin's law is totally misinterpreted by most. The argument just goes that if a conversation goes on long enough, Hitler will be brought up eventually, it says nothing about winning or losing an argument.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
61 LibertyLover
Well, the 10th amendment is another biggie with them
Unless they pass pro-marijuana laws
Or pro Gay-Marriage
Or try to stick with their own election laws as allowed per the II article of the Constitution
Or trying to hold gun companies liable for dumping on poor neighborhoods or for the damage they wreak
Or regulations on guns
Or...
This is completely insane, completely intolerable. I can tell you that if this happened to anyone in my company (and we are sending doesens of people back and forth to the US every month) we would have people shouting right and left to move all of our foreign operation to the Shanghai office.
Can one sidestep this cr*p by just mailing your laptop/camera/ipod home before you board that plane?
LibertyLover @ 66:
Why should one have to do that?
LibertyLover @ 66:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mNDHTfdn1A
I know this sounds risky, but do you know what I like to do
when I'm home alone and no one is around to watch?
run with scissors.............The same kind of thrill I'm sure
the airport agents must feel when being our overlords.
ysbaddaden @ 64:
10th amendment... isn't that where no laws that are relegated to the government are reserved for the PEOPLE?
ysbaddaden @ 68:
dang you're quick! :)
Another great song from the same movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utP1mGoutQ&feature=related
70 LibertyLover
Your thinking of the ninth amendment, the so called penumbra amendment, that was the basis for Griswold v Connecticut, which was the precedent for Roe v Wade.
Homer decided to row.
The 10th amendment is considered the States Right amendment, although it too reserves rights for the people.
So, for all of you who voted in 2004 for your own safety, I hope you choke on your own vote! And if you plan on voting for McCain to continue to keep you safe from all the "bad guys" out there... don't look now... they are in our own country, wearing the uniforms that we paid to put on them.
Sieg Heil.
"There's not a dimes worth of difference between them (the parties)."
ysbaddaden @ 45:
How about this one?
barbara boosh in a thong.
Many Canadian lawyers who travel to the US for business have stopped bringing laptops with them percisely because of this. Reminds one of the former eastern bloc. Very sad to see what's becoming of our southern neighbour.
Many Canadian lawyers who travel to the US for business have stopped bringing laptops with them percisely because of this. Reminds one of the former eastern bloc. Very sad to see what's becoming of our southern neighbour.
I hate to fly.I can fly for next to nothing, but I`m tired of being treated like a war criminal when I fly.So I don`t.Also I`m afraid of how I might respond to the intrusive policies of the TSA.
I won't fly. Not out of this sad POS country. I'd drive up to Canada to go anywhere I needed to fly. I'd drive or take the train in the country. Fuck these assholes.
A new airline sprung up in Portland, flying out of Boeing Field to PDX-no TSA on one side of the flight. Expected to trim 4 hours off of travel time-It's a 3 hour drive to Portland, a 45 minute flight.
miss_kitty @ 67:
Good point. One shouldn't. But that's the police state that we are living in... along with the human Xray machines that are being installed in airports across the country and not just here in Phoenix.
i remember, fondly, how republicans used to get all pissy about the commies interfering with the free press
Udon Nomee @ 59:
rofalmao!
That`s great.The problem is,if it`s good they`ll steal it.
LibertyLover @ 81:
I only mail stuff home from Europe to avoid duty. Also mailing your laptop home-might have to wait a few days for it, or pay loadsa money to get in an overnight mailing. I really would not part with it or my camera on a flight Shit gets busted in mailing...and an ipod...well you take those to have your own music on the flight, or so I thought.
Miss kitty @80:
What`s POS stand for?
sully18 @ 85:
Piece of Shit.
ysbaddaden @ 68:
omg . . . is that where georgie stole his good ol' boy persona?!
One really should read the whole article. It contains even more alarming information.
These lines really raised my hackles:
If DHS were a corporation or a private individual, this position would make a gread deal of sense, but this is OUR government. It clearly demonstrates how far the Cheney-Bush administration has taken us from a government of the people, by the people, for the people, to the point now where America has become the government versus the people.
Crian Padayachee @ 31:
And exactly what need to search laptops do you understand??? I can';t think of any. Idealism is fine, 'cept when it encounters totalitarianism.
I feel so much safer now.
I've been thinking about this, and came to the conclusion that if I were to take a trip with a laptop, I would remove the hard drive and MAIL it to my destination. What the shit is wrong with this country?
I posted about this earlier today. If you did not already know it is time you learned:
Here is an article on how to protect your laptop from the gov't
Good job, Georgie Boy!
Powkat @ 43:
my guess is after the election but before the inauguration ...
Cats r Flyfishn @ 38:
If that happens... it won't be liberals taking away anyone's guns, now will it?
But, 911 changed everything......
87 innocent bystander
I still think ronnie ray gun spent his entire eight years in the White House doing his imitation of Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes To Washington.
Did anyone notice that the following sentence was removed from the article?
Is it because this is incorrect information or because US News didn't want to turn this into an article that suggested the US was targeting perceived critics of the administration?
PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE
Use HAMACHI (free)
https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/vpn.asp?lang=en
and make your own secure network with the storage media anywhere you want and keep all your files OFF the roaming computer in question. They can do whatever the hell they want to the "terminal," the file is back home on your home computer in Kansas. FCUK EM WHERE THEY BREATH.
I can understand why DHS might think this is necessary.
People are literally phobic about possessing anything close to a practical knowledge and understanding about their computers and the Internet. So much so, that when their system becomes so laden with viruses, spyware, and other malicious code that it will no longer print out Grammie's Chocolate Chip Cookie recipe, or download pictures of the brother-in-law's wife's sister's best friend's new baby, they'd rather throw it in the garbage and go buy a new one than learn how to properly maintain it.
If you can't keep your system secure at home, who knows what could be on it after it's been connected to a publicly accessible network in a foreign country? Certainly not you!
(Remember how your laptop, and the rest of your luggage, had been inexplicably delayed by 20 min. on it's way from the hotel lobby to your room? Nothing was missing or disturbed, and you don't know how to say: "WTF!!" in the local language, so you just let it go and stiffed the guy on the tip... but now it does some weird "thing" for a couple of seconds every time you go online. But after that it's fine, so "Oh well...")
I certainly don't advocate, endorse, or support the practice. Quite the contrary. But in this paranoid, intellectually lazy, knee-jerk reactionary political environment, I can understand it....
And what happens if you are using an Ironkey?
https://store.ironkey.com/?gclid=CNGmr4n5lZQCFQJvswodJhp6uQ
Especially a fingerprint required USB key. Will they force you to supply your fingerprint? Will they BREAK into it on their own?
There is NO reason that you should not feel secure in your papers and possessions when you travel. There is no consitutional law that give the government the right to inspect U.S. Citizens' papers and possessions beyond a phyisical inspection for contraband and hazardous materials.
How would they know if those media cars and USB keys are even "legal" and not contraband in their own right? This then makes theslippery slope even steeper. You have to prove that EVERYTHING you own is legal. This is where it is going.
It is a ploy to keep people from traveling, in the ultimate quest to control the populace.
K|LL bush.
It's ironic that Ronald Reagan, the hero and saviour of the republican party, said 'Tear down that wall' to the Soviets.
We Canadians (most of whom live right next to your border) will very soon need a passport to visit your country. I have relatives that are US citizens ... and sometimes I feel like I will never see them again ...
What a difference a few years (and a corrupt government) can make .... be very afraid.
102 calgarylady Says: It’s ironic that Ronald Reagan, the hero and saviour of the republican party, said ‘Tear down that wall’ to the Soviets.
Wasn't that to Eastern Germany?
I think, however, he did preface it to Mr. Gorbachev.
Albeit Eastern Germany were part of the Warsaw Pact.
But believe it or not, it was Pat Buchanan who wrote the line.
VitriolAndAngst @ 28:
and the reason is counter news PR purposes, they want advanced info on upcoming hostile (to the regime) news stories.
Its pure corporate F-word tactics.
VitriolAndAngst @ 29:
Its the typical law enforcement attitude, everybody (outside their department) is the enemy
an extreme version of turf war and whacko LE behavior was the Johannesburg Metro police yesterday, when 400 of their finest went on the rampage protesting over wages and dept affairs, and even fired live rounds at the riot police sent to clear the roadblocks.
The only silver lining to the modern LE environment is financial , when the money runs out (as it will soon in Bushco-world) and they dont get paid, they go home muttering never to return.
The average police person will not go beyond their paycheck, Katrina showed this.
ysbaddaden @ 103:
Larry Craig cried a tear when they tore down that stall wall last year at Minneapolis Airport.
Udon Nomee @ 100:
Its goes without saying that if anybody such as a journalist or political operator is detained at a checkpoint and their PC is taken away for a period of time, it WILL be rootkitted and compromised.
Linux is just as vulnerable to serious rootkits as Windows or MacOS, 100s of 'test' rootkits out there for ALL common OSes.
ferrofluid (Obama 08) @ 105:
Katrina also showed the possibility of the 2nd amendment being suspended, while Blackwater Security patrols our streets.
i clearly can see tourism will go down the toilet in the USA. Who wants to go there?? sure not me since my 2 encounters where awefull...
build fences and walls pls to keep you INSIDE!!! dont want you to spoil the rest of the world :-)))
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 9:
They'll be trying to stop that soon enough.
Remember that watch list of ONE MILLION NAMES that the government is amassing?
It's funny how so many people who get their laptops and data seized are reporters and educators.
It's almost like the republican party hates real journalism, information and those who teach.
I forgot... they do hate those people.
The GOP are criminals. They need to be put away for good. We do not let mad dogs wander our streets.
How everybody who think otherwise can be potential terrorist? Its a big business, group behind police and goverments get those things a big money. Information war is the key.
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