Maybe we have a new style of ref*ckyoucan tax cuts: Cut your own first, by not paying them.

Must be nice to be filthy, stinking rich. Can you imagine how long it would take for the banks and collection agencies to be breathing down your throat if you missed a tax payment? It wouldn't take 4 years, that's for sure!

an error that happens to a lot of homeowners.
a typo at the title company, a dyslexic clerk at the tax office,
an incompetent in the mail room...
Ammo for MeCain's government doesn't work meme.
Newsworthy only because of the name.

If the trust was delinquent on all of its holdings, as many are,
then it is worthy of grist.
Otherwise, it should not be pointed at the candidate, but rather the convoluted
nature of things and the cracks through which many Americans fall. For a paycheck to paycheck
American, this would be catastrophic.

There's more than enough REAL problems with MeCain's campaign more worthy of note.

jitter,

It looks like they hardly DO pay any taxes on that condo. If they're behind four years and owed $6,744 plus another $1,742, that's a total of $8,486, or $2,125 per year. It's less per year if those figures include interest and penalties. I really don't understand this at all. I have an elderly woman friend in New Jersey who was paying $6,000 ten years ago in yearly taxes on a small 3-bedroom house. Maybe she should move to La Jolla, CA.

They'd better fire that fund administrator.

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But Edwards getting a $400 haircut is a "news" story that last for half a year........

Deadbeats. That is the center of Repugnican values. That's why they hate taxes - they are deadbeats. The rest of us pay our taxes, realizing that you pay the bill for rubbish pickup, road maintanence, ambulance/paramedic service and what have you. Most recognize that it is the price one pays for living in a society. But the Republicans are always looking out for freebies. Spoiled, childish deadbeats. Scum.

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cindy's looking pretty old and awfully trashy in that pic. Its time for insane mccain to trade her in on a younger, wealthier, more tastefully made-up model. lol

poor cindy. she got old. kiss of death for rethug wives.

Johnny2Bad @ 10:
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A man who wants to be President of the United States owns eight homes (which is exactly eight more than many Americans) but is not organized enough to pay the taxes on one of them for four years and we should ignore that?

This is the kind of silly thing that we complain about when it's the republicans pointing it out. It's a mistake in an address on some form, that just got overlooked by people busy with a million other things. I straightened out a similar situation recently with my own finances; they didn't send the bill and I didn't notice it was missing.

We should stick with our principles and focus on the real issues, not engage in the same silly political stunts the repugs are always using. McCain's supporters will say that we're being silly (and rightly so.) Our moaning about this will only reflect badly on us, and detract from the real issues, on which we're so strong at the moment.

jgr4 @ 22:

This is the kind of silly thing that we complain about when it's the republicans pointing it out. It's a mistake in an address on some form, that just got overlooked by people busy with a million other things. I straightened out a similar situation recently with my own finances; they didn't send the bill and I didn't notice it was missing.

We should stick with our principles and focus on the real issues, not engage in the same silly political stunts the repugs are always using. McCain's supporters will say that we're being silly (and rightly so.) Our moaning about this will only reflect badly on us, and detract from the real issues, on which we're so strong at the moment.

I think you meant dollars.

Boy, miss priss is surely PROUD, isn't she? Proud of her ability to screw her own country.

Cindy was more interested in finding a new source of drugs rather than paying taxes.

jgr4 @ 22:

This is the kind of silly thing that we complain about when it's the republicans pointing it out. It's a mistake in an address on some form, that just got overlooked by people busy with a million other things. I straightened out a similar situation recently with my own finances; they didn't send the bill and I didn't notice it was missing.

We should stick with our principles and focus on the real issues, not engage in the same silly political stunts the repugs are always using. McCain's supporters will say that we're being silly (and rightly so.) Our moaning about this will only reflect badly on us, and detract from the real issues, on which we're so strong at the moment.

I think that McCain's attitude to taxes IS a real issue. What we are seeing here is the result of an overstuffed sense of self entitlement. He was born on third base and thought he hit a triple; on the government dole since he left his mama's nipple. Oh - it's his organization's fault, eh? We should all just ignore this; wait til his organization gets hold of the executive office?

Legitimate criticism of your posts on this blog seems to be beyond the pale. I'll try to be more professional on mine.

If you're a trust fund manager, I would expect you to KNOW that California is going to send a bill for property taxes, and if none is forthcoming, the Dept of Revenue in mosts states don't hide their contact info, will be happy to change the address, and remail the bill.

I would also expect you'd know how many property tax bill had been paid, that you'd have a tracking system.

I would also expect, as beneficiary of a trust to run an audit once a year, to make sure all Is are dotted,Ts crossed, and no one managing the trust is going home with some of my money in their pocket.

How incompetent.

jgr4 @ 22:

This is the kind of silly thing that we complain about when it's the republicans pointing it out. It's a mistake in an address on some form, that just got overlooked by people busy with a million other things. I straightened out a similar situation recently with my own finances; they didn't send the bill and I didn't notice it was missing.

We should stick with our principles and focus on the real issues, not engage in the same silly political stunts the repugs are always using. McCain's supporters will say that we're being silly (and rightly so.) Our moaning about this will only reflect badly on us, and detract from the real issues, on which we're so strong at the moment.

you read like a concern troll.
that's four years, ok. four years. As a person who manages my own affairs, I know that nothing as significant as a house would be overlooked by 'my managers'. not for a single year.

I consider you a concern troll (and rightly so).

Johnny2Bad @ 35:

Bob @ 25:

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I enjoy reading C&L. That said, I'm somewhat confused by it's censorship of a post by Johnny2Bad @ 10 which clearly show he's a nutcase.

I'd just like to see more substance on McCain (There's plenty of it) instead of the "$400 haircut" variety they have posted of late. Hasn't anyone else noticed?

character matters, in case you keep missing that point.

harley @ 33:

mudshark @ 27:

xoites defends Constitution @ 24:

jgr4 @ 22:

I think you meant dollars.

I don't know about you, but I expect my taxes to show up every year. And take care of them early to get them out of the way.
I don't buy that they forgot about them. Who in this country forgets about their taxes? With all the talk about cutting this tax and that tax, I call bullshit. He talks about boosh's tax cuts and yet he "forgets" his own property tax on this condo? Bullshit. They own a business for crise sakes, they have to pay quarterly taxes. 4 years??? c'mon.

Since my property tax is my biggest single expense of the year - I darn know well know when it is due and have to put aside each month to budget for it.

I live in a condo also (1286 square feet with no land) and my property tax is $5485.

A million other things going on so it is easy to miss? $5485 hanging over my head every year is a ton of bricks to me. I wish I could forget about it.

I sold my house here in Monterey back in 03. My property taxes were 1200. a year. How is it that your property taxes are so high? Is it recently(market driven from the bubble?)
I don't see how anyone can afford to buy a home nowadays with the market value(lower now,but still up there) and the property taxes.

Johnny2Bad @ 35:

Bob @ 25:

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I enjoy reading C&L. That said, I'm somewhat confused by it's censorship of a post by Johnny2Bad @ 10 which clearly show he's a nutcase.

I'd just like to see more substance on McCain (There's plenty of it) instead of the "$400 haircut" variety they have posted of late. Hasn't anyone else noticed?

Want me to say it again?

Ok.

A Presidential Candidate defaulted on his taxes. It does not matter why. It is news.

I'd like to know if it was the entire tax bill they neglected to pay, or just a portion, because if that's the entire tax bill for 4 years, then it's no wonder CA is having a budget problem. Also wonder if there is some sort of loophole that's being exploited to maintain such a low tax rate--I mean the property is just across the street from the beach.

Just saw LIEberman make the ultimate Freudian slip on FTN when he said, McCain always puts his party before (oops)...always puts his country before his party!...HA!!! Course the HOST does nothing to probe difficult issues because he's another OLD MAN who gets easily confused!

xoites defends Constitution @ 42:

Johnny2Bad @ 35:

Bob @ 25:

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I enjoy reading C&L. That said, I'm somewhat confused by it's censorship of a post by Johnny2Bad @ 10 which clearly show he's a nutcase.

I'd just like to see more substance on McCain (There's plenty of it) instead of the "$400 haircut" variety they have posted of late. Hasn't anyone else noticed?

Want me to say it again?

Ok.

A Presidential Candidate defaulted on his taxes. It does not matter why. It is news.

Exactly. He defaulted on his taxes and he wants to be the POTUS. If he was running for your local school board, or sheriff or something and it came out that he defaulted on his taxes, it would be game over. So, it is news. You want to be POTUS, but you can't manage your properties, or even hire competent people to oversee your properties for you.

For all those whining concern troll arseholes that are "outraged" that C&L would dare post this topic, here is some simple advice.....go away. You don't have to read this site, post at this site, or whine about this site. If you don't like the topic at hand....who cares. Now....p*ss off.

Johnny2Bad @ 35:

Bob @ 25:

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I enjoy reading C&L. That said, I'm somewhat confused by it's censorship of a post by Johnny2Bad @ 10 which clearly show he's a nutcase.

I'd just like to see more substance on McCain (There's plenty of it) instead of the "$400 haircut" variety they have posted of late. Hasn't anyone else noticed?

Not paying personal taxes is substance, you kook. It says a lot of his so called "character" and personal responsibility. If you are still not happy, read post #50

miss_kitty @ 51:

And I'm amazed that the property taxes in California are so low. In Seattle they are through the roof. No wonder CA is having financial trouble.

That's what I was thinking. 4 years of non-payment + fines was around $6,000??

miss_kitty @ 51:

Johnny2Bad @ 35:

Bob @ 25:

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I enjoy reading C&L. That said, I'm somewhat confused by it's censorship of a post by Johnny2Bad @ 10 which clearly show he's a nutcase.

I'd just like to see more substance on McCain (There's plenty of it) instead of the "$400 haircut" variety they have posted of late. Hasn't anyone else noticed?

Apples and oranges, Johnny.

400 dollar haircuts are paid for upon delivery, and a 400 dollar hair cut is a personal choice that is no one else's business.
Paying taxes is not, and a matter of public record. And if someone wants to be pres, whether or not their taxes are paid on time is everyone's business.

And I'm amazed that the property taxes in California are so low. In Seattle they are through the roof. No wonder CA is having financial trouble.

I don't think that its the property taxes that are the problem here. It's all the tax loop holes for the Corporations.If they paid more of their share, there wouldn't be such a big problem. But then again, alot of Corporations left the state, for being taxed too much. Whaddaya gonna do? It's California

Real americans don't pay taxes. Ask Grover Norquist.

Just imagine if this were Obama. The fake outrage of MSM would last at least week. The racial overtones would be thick. They would be calling him an elitist for owning so many homes. They would be claiming he's lazy and irresponsible. Faux would be calling in reich-wing talking head after talking head to each take a stab at Obama.

Don Rumsfeld hater @ 15:

Ya, whatever. McCain's still gonna be the next president. George Bush is God. Lord George. He's done the impossible. The USA is no longer a Republic !! He did it in just 7 years. And he's still totally running the show !!!! Even the democrats in congress bow to his desires (except for Kucinich, Dodd, and a few others) Bush is God.
Lord George had decided that McCain will be the next president and so it will be done. Lord George THE DECIDER.It doesn't matter if Obama and Hillary hug on stages around the country. McCain is the next president. There'll be a terrorist attack before the election.Most Americans don't read Crooks and Liars, Prison Planet .com, Daily Kos, Huffington etc. The terrorist attack(s) will occur and that's it McCain will become the winner of the election because he is "tough on terror"/"strong on Nat'l security". If no terrorist attack -then Iran War will start.It will be a 50/50 split. The Repubs will steal the election like they did in 2000 and 2004. Americans will go back to watching reality TV shows, professional sports, porno, and drinking beer and smoking pot.

My thoughts exactly, I wonder who the unlucky american victims will be this time.

NoGWBpolicyleftinplace @ 61:

Johnny2Bad @ 35:

Bob @ 25:

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I enjoy reading C&L. That said, I'm somewhat confused by it's censorship of a post by Johnny2Bad @ 10 which clearly show he's a nutcase.

I'd just like to see more substance on McCain (There's plenty of it) instead of the "$400 haircut" variety they have posted of late. Hasn't anyone else noticed?

Ask Willie Nelson if failing to pay your taxes is an unimportant issue!

Ask Wesley Snipes, isn't he going to jail?

Fanon @ 64:

NoGWBpolicyleftinplace @ 61:

Johnny2Bad @ 35:

Bob @ 25:

I'd just like to see more substance on McCain (There's plenty of it) instead of the "$400 haircut" variety they have posted of late. Hasn't anyone else noticed?

Ask Willie Nelson if failing to pay your taxes is an unimportant issue!

Ask Wesley Snipes, isn't he going to jail?

No, he was acquitted.( i think) but I wonder what other taxes McCain(and wife) haven't paid?

mudshark @ 66:

Fanon @ 64:

NoGWBpolicyleftinplace @ 61:

Johnny2Bad @ 35:

Ask Willie Nelson if failing to pay your taxes is an unimportant issue!

Ask Wesley Snipes, isn't he going to jail?

No, he was acquitted.( i think) but I wonder what other taxes McCain(and wife) haven't paid?

Snipes is going to jail for 36 months.

Sheesh. that should be: You're*

xoites defends Constitution @ 71:

mudshark @ 66:

Fanon @ 64:

NoGWBpolicyleftinplace @ 61:
Ask Wesley Snipes, isn't he going to jail?

No, he was acquitted.( i think) but I wonder what other taxes McCain(and wife) haven't paid?

They have violated campaign laws, we know that already. We also know he is secretive given the way he "disclosed" his health records. So far he has patterned his campaign after Bush's Presidency.

Wesley Snipes ordered to start jail sentence
Now Magazine Online, UK - Jun 23, 2008
Wesley Snipes has been told to return to police custody following his conviction for tax offences. The actor was given a 3-year prison term.

a couple of points

1) it's a trust that McCain's wife oversees. This means that it's not John McCain's money or assets and very possibly not even his wife's.

2) the fault lies with the bank that manages this trust. They should be the ones paying any penalties because they should know what properties are in the trust and therefore what taxes should've been paid. Nothing is mentioned about whether or not Cindy McCain is the only one who oversees this trust. Other family members may be involved as well.

3) there are much more important issues in this campaign than the fiscal abilities of the candidate's wife.

harley @ 72:

xoites defends Constitution @ 71:

mudshark @ 66:

Fanon @ 64:
No, he was acquitted.( i think) but I wonder what other taxes McCain(and wife) haven't paid?

They have violated campaign laws, we know that already. We also know he is secretive given the way he "disclosed" his health records. So far he has patterned his campaign after Bush's Presidency.

Wesley Snipes ordered to start jail sentence
Now Magazine Online, UK - Jun 23, 2008
Wesley Snipes has been told to return to police custody following his conviction for tax offences. The actor was given a 3-year prison term.

Really. I thought he as acquitted. Oh well, I don't watch that much tv.

lakelady @ 74:

a couple of points

1) it's a trust that McCain's wife oversees. This means that it's not John McCain's money or assets and very possibly not even his wife's.

2) the fault lies with the bank that manages this trust. They should be the ones paying any penalties because they should know what properties are in the trust and therefore what taxes should've been paid. Nothing is mentioned about whether or not Cindy McCain is the only one who oversees this trust. Other family members may be involved as well.

3) there are much more important issues in this campaign than the fiscal abilities of the candidate's wife.

Beyond forgetting the payment, there has to be special treatment and favoritism going on here. Why would the state let it go for so long with out putting a lien on the property?

Something stinks and it is a worthwhile story.

curtilingus @ 78:

lakelady @ 74:

a couple of points

1) it's a trust that McCain's wife oversees. This means that it's not John McCain's money or assets and very possibly not even his wife's.

2) the fault lies with the bank that manages this trust. They should be the ones paying any penalties because they should know what properties are in the trust and therefore what taxes should've been paid. Nothing is mentioned about whether or not Cindy McCain is the only one who oversees this trust. Other family members may be involved as well.

3) there are much more important issues in this campaign than the fiscal abilities of the candidate's wife.

Beyond forgetting the payment, there has to be special treatment and favoritism going on here. Why would the state let it go for so long with out putting a lien on the property?

Something stinks and it is a worthwhile story.

you can bet your ass if that would have been someone of no notoriety, they would have slapped a lien on that property faster than you can say taxes.

lakelady @ 74:

a couple of points

1) it's a trust that McCain's wife oversees. This means that it's not John McCain's money or assets and very possibly not even his wife's.

2) the fault lies with the bank that manages this trust. They should be the ones paying any penalties because they should know what properties are in the trust and therefore what taxes should've been paid. Nothing is mentioned about whether or not Cindy McCain is the only one who oversees this trust. Other family members may be involved as well.

3) there are much more important issues in this campaign than the fiscal abilities of the candidate's wife.

(1) McCain has a relative that lives in the condo.

(2) Huh?

(3) McCain has a relative that lives in the condo. It is fiscal responsibility also.

(4) I thought the McCain's finances were not commingled? If McCain has a relative living in a condo own my Cindy's trust that is pretty freaking commingled to me.

curtilingus @ 78:

lakelady @ 74:

a couple of points

1) it's a trust that McCain's wife oversees. This means that it's not John McCain's money or assets and very possibly not even his wife's.

2) the fault lies with the bank that manages this trust. They should be the ones paying any penalties because they should know what properties are in the trust and therefore what taxes should've been paid. Nothing is mentioned about whether or not Cindy McCain is the only one who oversees this trust. Other family members may be involved as well.

3) there are much more important issues in this campaign than the fiscal abilities of the candidate's wife.

Beyond forgetting the payment, there has to be special treatment and favoritism going on here. Why would the state let it go for so long with out putting a lien on the property?

Something stinks and it is a worthwhile story.

I believe, and I could be wrong, that Snipes was convicted despite it being the fault of his management company. Something about personal responsibility.

Who's the elitist again? Does Obama own multiple houses in different states?

lakelady @ 74:

a couple of points

1) it's a trust that McCain's wife oversees. This means that it's not John McCain's money or assets and very possibly not even his wife's.

2) the fault lies with the bank that manages this trust. They should be the ones paying any penalties because they should know what properties are in the trust and therefore what taxes should've been paid. Nothing is mentioned about whether or not Cindy McCain is the only one who oversees this trust. Other family members may be involved as well.

3) there are much more important issues in this campaign than the fiscal abilities of the candidate's wife.

i.e., it's someone else's fault. Glad to read the reich-wing apologists are on their D-game today.

Former Dittohead @ 86:

Who's the elitist again? Does Obama own multiple houses in different states?

His former pastor just bought a big house in a white neighbor....and the reich-wing twits at faux are furious.

Why wasn't this property seized by the government? If I didn't pay my property taxes for one year my shit would be on the auction block. How the hell do they go four years without paying?

EMPY @ 92:

Why wasn't this property seized by the government? If I didn't pay my property taxes for one year my shit would be on the auction block. How the hell do they go four years without paying?

They'll get away with it.

The public is irrelevant. We are no longer a country we are a framework for crooks to go in and steal money. Knowing that they'll never be caught and they'll be admired for it.

One reason Hillary was said to be unsuitable for President was because of her mismanagement of her campaign finances. Follow me on this: If McCain can't stay on top of his own taxes for four years, how can he stay on top of the U.S. economy for four years?

This won't even be mentioned in the mainstream media and people will still cry "liberal bias". Its sickening.

There is only one reasonable lesson to be taken from this. John McCain is a godless communist intent on the destruction of America. With their hundreds of millions, one would expect an asset management that could pay the taxes. Eight luxury homes is the reason I hate the republicans by the way.

Give Me Convenience @ 98:

Honestly, is this news? The post describes the situation as Mrs. McCain employs a bank to oversee the trust. Have you ever hired "professionals" to oversee some aspect of your life? Did that go perfectly? Is it possible that this is really just nothing?

My concern here is that it has the appearance of grasping at straws. John McCain has many things to be concerned about with regards to being Chief Executive of the USA. By focusing on something like this, his tremendously serious flaws are lessened by contrast.

The President employs Cabinet Members to oversee the functions of Government.

Yes, it is news.

xoites defends Constitution @ 99:

Give Me Convenience @ 98:

Honestly, is this news? The post describes the situation as Mrs. McCain employs a bank to oversee the trust. Have you ever hired "professionals" to oversee some aspect of your life? Did that go perfectly? Is it possible that this is really just nothing?

My concern here is that it has the appearance of grasping at straws. John McCain has many things to be concerned about with regards to being Chief Executive of the USA. By focusing on something like this, his tremendously serious flaws are lessened by contrast.

The President employs Cabinet Members to oversee the functions of Government.

Yes, it is news.

I suppose you could say McCain would be another CEO type President. And we all know how that worked out.

mudshark @ 102:

harley @ 100:

Give Me Convenience @ 98:

Honestly, is this news? The post describes the situation as Mrs. McCain employs a bank to oversee the trust. Have you ever hired "professionals" to oversee some aspect of your life? Did that go perfectly? Is it possible that this is really just nothing?

My concern here is that it has the appearance of grasping at straws. John McCain has many things to be concerned about with regards to being Chief Executive of the USA. By focusing on something like this, his tremendously serious flaws are lessened by contrast.

We all ready got a figure head President that has others run every affair of his life. Want another one?

$4.00 gas prices. That interesting, I have not heard that one before.

I wish gas was only $4.00. Filled up this morning $4.21.

Friday it was 4.65 for regular here.

Ouch. I have to watch that $4.00 gas price video again. Now it is so funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EKZOKxdxj4&feature=related

To me, the importance of this reporting is that it shines light on one of the real problems with McCain. Like Bush, Cheney and so many others in government (including many Dems) he and they are arrogant, condescending and greedy. They care not about the real lives of real Americans - they care only about keeping themselves and their buds in the lap of luxury, no matter what it takes to accomplish that.

McCain has, over the past number of years, tried to position himself as a "maverick", one who goes against the normal political grain. One who has worked tirelessly to break down barriers in the aisle between parties and one who abhors political corruption and the underhanded, corrupt financial dealings and lobbyist's "soft" money that underpin this political landscape.

Anyone recall the Lincoln S&L debacle - commonly called the Keating 5 Scandal??
McCain only got a slap on the hand by the Senate ethics comm., but he and his family were involved with Keating's shady financial dealings for a while. McCain took
a couple hundred thousand in campaign contributions from Keating, Cindy and Daddy invested hundreds of thousands in Keating bank and real eatate ventures, and McCain and his family took many vacations on the Keating private jet and at their island homes. He took these free trips after he was elected as an AR Rep and somehow "forgot" to report that to the House.

So, the fact that he and his wife still have trouble "remembering" how to conduct their financial dealings in an ethical legal manner demonstrates an ongoing pattern that should be a concern to all voters. The guy's a crook....and a liar!

This post gets me riled up beyond human dignity...I know at least four separate households right now living with no utilities for literally months in Memphis, where we lived for 7 years... the heat index is regularly in the 90's... even paying hundreds to the local utility did not get the lights, gas and water turned on for these folks, because get this: the matching fund for poverty-level families has RUN DRY.

(But in the same city, a local politician skated on his utility bills for YEARS before getting caught and paying $16,000)...

the All-American Apple is rotten to the core.

Hilary @ 107:

This is a stupid issue and you know it. The key to getting the Republicans out of office is not to sink to the asinine levels of foolery that they have for what seems to be an eternity. Otherwise your just Rush Limbaugh in liberal clothing. Cut it out and stick to what is important.

Right, ignore the law breakers. Because if you point out Thug law breakers "your [sic] just Rush Limbaugh in liberal clothing."

How many McPoints are you getting for this post? Let us know when they hand them over, would ya?

I put this on the Sunday Open thread but it seems appropriate here too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st1lH8zcIuQ

So disgusted I couldn't even hit the buttons right... asinine foolery MY ASS Miss "HILARY" (right) the only thing worse than Whores ripping us all off from their ivory taxpayer-financed towers are the SHILLS that bow and scrape for their puppet masters as if blogging were just another way to rip off Ordinary Oppressed Peoples (OOPS).

kablooie @ 113:

Hilary @ 107:

This is a stupid issue and you know it. The key to getting the Republicans out of office is not to sink to the asinine levels of foolery that they have for what seems to be an eternity. Otherwise your just Rush Limbaugh in liberal clothing. Cut it out and stick to what is important.

You may be an elist, if you hire someone to pay your property tax for you - all 8 of them.

In California property tax is bases on the selling price of the house. The tax is 1% of the selling price. It can go up 1% a year (maybe it is 2%?). If your house cost $100,000 you tax is $1000 dollars a year. The tax is raised 1% the next year. Your bill is $1010. In my county and I assume it is the same in the whole state you can be delinquent up to five years before the county can foreclose and sell your house for the taxes. If you are delinquent you pay a 1.5% fine per month (18% a year). So it looks like the condo cost about $170,000 dollars. Maybe it was bought 20 years ago and it cost $150,000 or less.
This whole thing just shows that McGramps does not let the little stuff like making sure the bills are paid bother him.
As it was said earlier if it had been Obama it would not have been a big deal for him to be delinquent (not really true is it> They would have blasted Obama) it would have been a much bigger deal for this uppity black guy to own 8 houses across the nation. I don’t think the Republican white guys could handle that.

I ain't no fan of war pig McCain't but,

How many people foolishly hire someone to "do taxes" for them H&R Block?...maybe turbo tax? ...and what would happen if someone you hired made a mistake...would it be your fault?

The average... (poorer than McCain'ts) ...American, would pay closer attention but...when you are as rich as McCain't ...you can easily afford to (not pay attention) to the Firm you hire to take care of your finances.

Whatever accounting firm the McCain'ts hired to take care of their taxes should fire someone...

Yeah; gosh - if we talk about this aspect of McSame's elitist overall behavior we'll likely forget about all of his other misfeasences, malfeasences and non-feasences. This ****wad is the senator from my state. I'd like to see every one of his gaffes, goofs and imperialist rantings replayed 24/7 on all channels until every other Arizonan could see what kind of "Family Values" they have elected. And if you want to cut him some slack in the way that it has been done for him for70+ years, post #50 speaks for me with eloquence.

mcDefault..........is an elitist..as been in the government his entire life...........has been in.....
social government healthcare plan,higher income,income pay raises with cost of living increases,wealthy spouse..a
plane he uses for the campaign questionable reimbursement
8 homes..now in default for home related taxes that are yrs. over due...........that doesn't seem like someone who makes good decisions......i believe this will be overlooked....this is what elitist do avoid taxes
they want the good stuff but they don't want to pay for it............

Captain Self Centered Bitter Hussein Kangaroo @ 118:

In California property tax is bases on the selling price of the house. The tax is 1% of the selling price. It can go up 1% a year (maybe it is 2%?). If your house cost $100,000 you tax is $1000 dollars a year. The tax is raised 1% the next year. Your bill is $1010. In my county and I assume it is the same in the whole state you can be delinquent up to five years before the county can foreclose and sell your house for the taxes. If you are delinquent you pay a 1.5% fine per month (18% a year). So it looks like the condo cost about $170,000 dollars. Maybe it was bought 20 years ago and it cost $150,000 or less.
This whole thing just shows that McGramps does not let the little stuff like making sure the bills are paid bother him.
As it was said earlier if it had been Obama it would not have been a big deal for him to be delinquent (not really true is it> They would have blasted Obama) it would have been a much bigger deal for this uppity black guy to own 8 houses across the nation. I don’t think the Republican white guys could handle that.

Thanks for the info on the CA tax.

I agree it would be treated much differently if Obama had been in the same situation. As to those folks here that think this isn't important enough to be mentioned, sorry but I disagree. Is it a major issue that I would ask about if I had the opportunity to put a question to the man himself? Absolutely not. But it is an indicator of how business is done in the McCain camp and gives me yet another glimpse of character. Do I want someone as POTUS who can't keep track of something as basic as if the taxes have been paid (or hire someone competent enough to do it for him)? It does give me doubts as to how deeply his understanding of a federal budget could run, or his ability to surround himself with people who have the ability to explain that budget to him.

Imagine the furor that would result if the same story happened to Obama. The press would be apoplectic to call him elitist and incompentent and too irresponsible to be trusted with the american economy. THe fact that this will have zero traction in the republican corporate media is infuriating.

I thought that Cindy McCain was an overseer of the trust which actually means she is liable.
Cindy has $100 million according to Newsweek that means that yes she has people to pay her bills and help her administer the trust. People like a financial adviser, an accountant, a lawyer if not actual whole firms of Financial Advisers, Accountants, and Lawyers.
But still once a year they all should present Cindy and John a yearly report on their total finances assets and debts because while Cindy might have a prenup if Cindy does not pay her taxes the IRS will go after John.
In fact if Cindy is a trustee for the estate then she has a duty to read the report.
Somehow Cindy forgot a Beach front Condo that costs over 2 million for four years? At 100 million 2 million is 2 cents of every dollar she owns and she forgot?
She forgot to look at her own taxes and notice that she had paid taxes on her other 7 homes but not this one? She forgot about 2% of her total assets?
This is a issue because if the McCains can't keep their own books in order we certainly can't expect them to get the nation's books in order.
Last I checked the National debt was an issue. The Main Stream Media though is not covering that McCain has no plan to pay for the debt in his budget, maybe now though they will.

Hey LakeLady! You go on ahead and focus on the more important stuff...the rest of us are just gonna sit here and dwell on this. I probably won't do anything else all day....just dwell...pick the scab off...dwell summore...;-)

lakelady @ 125:

for those who don't understand how trusts work.

Unless you are the beneficiary of a trust, and nowhere in this article does it say that either of the McCain's are of this trust, the assets are not yours (even then there can be many restrictions on access to assets). My guess is that Cindy McCain oversees a trust that was set up to take care of an elderly relative. Remember this is a relative of his second wife, probably someone he doesn't even know very well. And since when have any of us been responsible for our relatives finances??? Especially if the assets of John and Cindy are not comingled. Even if they are this is a trust for a relative, NOT a trust for them! Obviously mistakes have been made both by the bank managing the trust AND by San Diego tax collectors. Was the fault someone else's? Most likely. Is that passing the buck? No. Let those responsible for the mistakes take the blame - the managers and the tax collectors. Again, what does this have to do with John McCain's potential as president? (note I am NOT for McCain in any way shape or form). This is a story about someone Cindy McCain hired as a financial manager.

There are MANY things wrong with McCain, this is a minor issue at best. Let's focus our energy on more significant issues instead of pissing on his wife's ability of financial oversight.

I agree the trust might own the homes but the media has been claiming the homes belong to the McCains well belong to Cindy might be more accurate the media might be wrong but we can't prove that now. According to their information Cindy and or John has those homes listed on their taxes.
A trust account that you administer and have access to only for administrative purposes would not have its assets listed under your personal or business returns. So I believe that Cindy at least has some access to the assets.

The trust is run incompetently in my view. The thing to do is to fire the bank and move the trust elsewhere. What half rate trust that manages properties isn't expecting a property tax bill from the county? "Oh we never got a bill!" Well come on, maybe you should go find out if you just aren't getting them?

And the bank should do a mea culpa also.

If he doesn't move the trust to better management, then I'd say McCain is demonstrating he's not a competent manager himself. That's the real issue, not that he didn't catch the overdue taxes himself. The bank screwed up.

Actually, going on personal experience-I lived in a wealthy resort area in Northern Michigan-this is exactly what rich people do. About 1/2 of all the tax sales listed in our local paper every year were for those houses that were worth about $1 million or more. It was a constant battle to get the rich to pay their property taxes. They always waited until the house went up for sale on the courtyard steps before they paid what they owed. And they always owed penalties.

His campaign goes bankrupt, can't pay his taxes... Yeah, America needs a 70-something proctrastinating scofflaw as president. Just what the doctor ordered. All he's missing is a drug addicted wife. Oh, wait...

Please everyone who say this is not news. I pay more taxes in California on a condo that is not on the beach than Grandpa pays on a beach front condo. If you recall many of last summer's fires were in that area. Was I paying the fire fighters to protect their property?

I own two properties and one year I forgot the taxes on one and my penalty was more than Grandpa. If you have someone do your income taxes, are you not resonsible for what they report. Been there on both accounts and didn't receive any sympathy,had to pay the piper.

I would like someone to explain to me why these poor poor, almost destitute multi millionaires, were allowed to keep the property? I have never owned property in CA but a quick browse of the states laws show this result:

If taxes are unpaid after December 10th, a 10% penalty is charged on the first installment. If the delinquency continues until after April 10th another 10% penalty is charged on that installment, too, along with a flat $10.00 cost fee.
Rev & Tax Code sec 2617 & 2618

If the taxes remain unpaid after June 30th, they are charged 18% interest (1.5% per month), and a flat $15.00 redemption fee in accordance with California State laws.
Rev & Tax Code sec 4102 & 4103

And it seems that the McPoorfuckingbastards are very lucky Newsweek found their error because:

Tax Defaulted, simply means there is a delinquent tax against the property. We prepare an annual list of property which is "Tax Defaulted" at the end of the fiscal year (June 30). We mail a delinquency reminder notice to the property owner before June 30th of each fiscal year.
Rev & Tax Code sec 3371 et seq

If the "Tax Defaulted" notation is printed on your bill, it is an indication that the Treasurer-Tax Collector shows delinquent taxes for a prior year. Five years after the first year of delinquency, the property will be eligible for sale at public auction, and will be subsequently sold if the taxes are not paid.

Whew! They are so lucky that the liberal media saved them from having their tax defaulted property sold at public auction. I shudder to think of what would happen to these poor poor multi millionaires if they would have lost their only 7th property due to their inability to pay the property tax. Snif, snif... they could have been subjected to the inhuman treatment of only having 6 properties to live in. The horror... the horror.

Good thing sweet baby Jeebus is looking out for the rich and completely fucking over the poor in this country.

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 36:

jgr4 @ 22:

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We should stick with our principles and focus on the real issues, not engage in the same silly political stunts the repugs are always using. McCain's supporters will say that we're being silly (and rightly so.) Our moaning about this will only reflect badly on us, and detract from the real issues, on which we're so strong at the moment.

you read like a concern troll.
that's four years, ok. four years. As a person who manages my own affairs, I know that nothing as significant as a house would be overlooked by 'my managers'. not for a single year.

I consider you a concern troll (and rightly so).

Troll? No. Concerned? Damn skippy.

I certainly don't consider myself any kind of authority. But I think there are plenty of us here in the comments that consider this a non-issue and are reasonably and rightly concerned that our party stays on-message this election season and doesn't screw up again.

It is certainly a legitimate issue that McCain is a multimillionaire elitist with 8 houses who flies around on a private jet. But nobody with that kind of money is directly involved in the day-to-day management of his finances. This was a mistake made by some manager who he's probably never even met, and they fixed it.

Move on, this is a "non-issue". Looks as if the city of San Digeo screwed up by
sending property tax notices to a Phoenix, Arizona address instead of to the Bank
which as the Trustee for the property resided in by Cindy's aunt. If you or I do
not receive a tax bill, then how can we pay it...that's the situation here.