Face The Nation: McCain Media Bias, Example #759
By SilentPatriot Sunday Jul 06, 2008 9:00pm
While making the case yesterday on "Face the Nation" about how John McCain has changed his position on far more issues than Barack Obama, John Kerry was accused by Bob Scheiffer of "challenging John McCain's integrity."
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You see, when Republicans relentlessly attack a Democrat's military service record and position on the issues, it's acceptable, even promoted by the librul media. When a Democrat does the same thing, they are guilty of disrespecting the entire military and questioning a hero's integrity. There in a nutshell is the M.O. of McCain's Media™.
Transcript below:
Sen. KERRY: ...what almost every person in the Pentagon has admitted. I mean, Bob, you're
smart, you've talked to these people in Washington. There are very few people who walk around
and say, `Going into Iraq was the right thing to do and we should've done it. I'd do it again if I
had the chance.' John McCain does. John McCain believes this was the right decision.
SCHIEFFER: Well, let...
Sen. KERRY: He said, you know, you can't--I have to tell you, Bob, I just came back from the
Middle East. I just met with the king of Saudi Arabia. I met with President Mubarak of Egypt. I
met with others. You know what they said to me? They said, `You, America, have served up to
Iran, Iraq on a platter.' They are outraged by this sort of, you know, ineptitude of what has been
done by those who decided it was smart to go into Iraq.
SCHIEFFER: Let me just ask you one question here.
Sen. KERRY: And they have turned away--yeah.
SCHIEFFER: Before we--before--because we are going to talk about--are you now challenging
Senator McCain's integrity?
Sen. KERRY: I'm challenging Senator McCain's judgment, his judgment that says there's no
violence history between Sunni and Shia. That's wrong. His judgment that says this is going to
increase the stability of the Middle East. It hasn't. It's made it less stable. The judgment that says
this will, quote "This will be the best thing for America and the world in a long time."
SCHIEFFER: All right.
Sen. KERRY: It's the worst thing that we've done in a long time.
SCHIEFFER: All right.
Sen. KERRY: And he's turned his eye away from Afghanistan and al-Qaeda and made America
less safe.
SCHIEFFER: All right.
Sen. KERRY: That's dangerous for our country.









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Typical MSM crap.
I am so sick of this. Kerry IS a hero. He saved LIVES. McCain did a stint in the pokey for being a poor pilot and losing a plane to enemy fire and leaving his mission incomplete.
At least Kerry said he's questioning McCain's JUDGEMENT. That's reinforcing Obama's message.
Scheiffer, in my opinion, "set McCain up" for Kerry to talk about McCain's "judgement"
not his integrity...and Kerry handled it beautifully. Way to go John Kerry...
Hey, they don't give a shit about bias...
Serve me another hot doc, Johnny Mac.
OH, and some lemonade would be nice. With a little
a lot of ice. mmm'K, thanks!!!
kerry nailed him and mcC*nt with the facts.
end of story
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 6:
Exactly !!!
Bob Scheiffer should be buried head first in a honey bucket
these reichwingneocon assholes are so self-righteous.
This doesn't seem very biased to me. Bob Shafty didn't run amok with accusations like those FOX news folks. He merely made 1 question and allowed Sen. Kerry to clarify and refine his remarks.
Of course, I think it's time we question his integrity, especially after McCain's taking money from the shithead CEO of Chiquita, the one who passed money to all sides of the civil war.
"All right" is a polite way of telling someone to shut up.
I don't think these media people are used to people telling them the truth.
Schiefer: I'm old and like McCain.
Kerry: Ok.
Schiefer: Oh so you think Senator John McCain; a war hero, by the way, is old and stupid and now you are questioning his integrity?
Kerry: ummmm, no.
Schiefer: I'm old damnit.
Ol' "Set-Up" Shieffer strikes again...tryin' for a two-fer after his lob to Wes Clark. Sorry, Bob, that curveball's not gonna hunt. [yep, mixin' the metaphors tonight...should read up on that thar book-larnin' stuff...now where's a good librarian when you need one? Take a look via my homeblog.
I Like Pie @ 9:
May be so as to your interpretation of" All right", but another way to look at it is that
Scheiffer was actually agreeing w/what Kerry said.
Oh no! Now you're going to make Bob Schieffer stammer and stumble and nearly cry for a third Sunday in a row and he'll have to angrily ask you how dare you question John McCain's service / qualifications to be President / integrity / dry rub / anything at all.
dadams @ 8:
You have to have some serious connections to get one of these news media jobs. The communists used to call them "party loyalists".
doggiebobo @ 13:
He said it 3 times in a row. All three times he was trying to cut Kerry off mid-sentence.
Far be it for any Democrat to challenge Corporate Media talking heads on their naked double standard. I suppose it would be unseemly for Kerry to challenge old Bob and bring up his military service and ask Bob if he was equally indignant when his service was questioned. Any record of Bob Schieffer challenging any Republican on the scurrilous attacks on Kerry's military service? Unlike John McCain, John Kerry actually risked his life to save a comrade in battle. While I respect McCain for surviving as a POW, it just doesn't compare to Kerry's raw courage in the heat of battle.
I Like Pie @ 15:
Here in America they're called "Serious People".
All right, Mr Schieffer, any respect I ever had for you has just vanished. You are another rightwing tool.
Schieffer works for CBS,in his ear there is a faceless,nameless person telling him what to say. If he doesn't do what they say,he gets fired........get it?
I Like Pie @ 16:
Did you actually view this particular segement or just basing your opinion on the
printed words above? Neither you nor I can say with certainty that Scheiffer
was trying to cut Kerry off. It's Scheiffer's Show, and I'd think that if he was
attempting to cut Kerry off, he would have reacted like O'Liely, and said "Shut up".
I'm really not surprised anymore. And did you catch all that while Kerry was speaking: "okay" "alright" "okay" "yeah, yeah". I mean, just trying to hurry him up to get to the next vapid question. Probably wanted to get to Obama's patriotism or something important like that.
Newsweek on McC*nts funny money games
How McCain Is Skirting His Own Spending Caps or 'how the his
ownlaw doesnt apply to McPrecious'i would like to see/hear senator kerry more. he is solid and doesn't take any crap......
What I heard was Schieffer clearly trying to interrupt Kerry and throw him off message. You'd never see him treat a Republican that way.
I Am A Banana @ 22:
I would like to see/view the entire interview segement before passing final judgement.
The printed word does not always give a true tenure of the conversations...
doggiebobo @ 26:
I watched it, you're wrong.
I believe Kerry did an excellent . . . he's catching on to these biased news mediators, they ask a question, then cut you off before you can fully answer it . . . . When Scheiffer attempted this Kerry just kept talking over him until he completed his answer . The Repugs do it all the time. Most Democrats feel it is rude and do not but are learning it's the only way to deal with the bias! Three cheers for Kerry!
{Kay, please stop posting in all Caps or Bold lettering. It's Yelling. OK. Thank You. SiteMonitor}
In fact, at one point (barely audible) Schieffer tries to interrupt Kerry with "to be fair" (in defense of McCain) but fortunately, Kerry has learned to speak past such rude and inaccurate interruptions.
Snowball @ 27:
O.K., I admit my stupdity. I had failed to see/watch the video furnished. Now I have. I now agree as to most of the observations made, Scheiffer was acting like a jerk, as
almost ALL supposedly journalist do...But would still like to see what went on AFTER
the short segment furnished above to see what else may have been disCUSSed.
Bob, I know you and McCain were in the same class back in grade 2, but can you at least pretend that he wasn't?
I thought Schieffer was better than that. He didn't even try to hide his bias. I think all of these political talk show host should announce that they are for Mccain, and that that's how the questions will be coming at the guest.
Kerry voted for the invasion of Iraq.
Out of Fear. Like Hillary, Edwards, etc.
Not ol Russ Feingold.
Wow, can you believe it? The librul media attacking John Kerry! How is that possible??? Aren't they all "in the tank" for librulz like Kerry?
By the way, where was this John Kerry in 2004? He did pretty well with this one.
If this John Kerry was around in 2004 he would have won in a landslide instead of only winning by a small enough margin for the election to be stolen in Ohio.
Words I thought I would never say; but here they are....
Bob, you're a wanker
AgentX @ 9:
the same chiquita that was once owned by bushco.
Shorter Scheiffer: Dirty fucking hippie kid with your youthful grey hair. Get off my lawn!
If it were me I would have said not only am I challenging
Senator McCain’s integrity, also his honesty, his morality and his judgment. John Mackerel is the king of flip-flops. Just like this!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k8n7UzZ7xSc&feature=related
Schieffer Is a Putz! Along with most of the main stream media! At least we have the internet.
Who's that guy talking to Scheiffer ? I remember someone who looks like him but this can't be that guy. THAT guy was pretty wimpy.
Marty @ 33:
your right kerry said he was mistaken....the vote/resolution gave the president the authority...i think like hillary they didn't believe he would do it or that he could do it........little did they know that this attack was in the works......misleading intelligence maybe even propaganda....of course kerry wanted to be president. if he would have voted against the resolution he would have never had a chance for the presidency.
OK, so Scheiffer is a tool and asks if Kerry is questioning McCain's integrity. Why didn't Kerry just say "yes"? I'll give props to Kerry as a Vietnam hero, but as a Democrat, he's limp.
at first glance this comes off as whining.
I'd like to see how Bob Scheiffer reacted in 2004 when Kerry's war record was being impugned.
Did Bob Scheiffer object then?
If someone has a video clip let us know.
kcw @ 43:
totally disagree judgement a much relative argument
we all know about his integrity...now we need to attack his judgement......i think "lame" is out of bounds. no disrespect.......kerry is solid/knowledgable
if only Kerry spoke like this in 2004 ...
greyzone2 @ 47:
i have that same thought.......i guess he learned. it seems to me he was treated very unfairly by the (r) he wasn't ready for a dirty fight......he knows now there are no rules in fighting.
constituent @ 48:
Skull and Bones.
He's a Bonesman.
doggiebobo @ 30:
Schieffer went to collect his paycheck from his corporate paymasters, licked their boots after they lambasted him for letting Kerry get a word out edgewise and said: "Thank you sir, may I have another!"
All this was off camera, of course.
God damn, Kerry....
At least have the balls to say "no, i'm not questioning John McCain's judgment... i'm saying that he's a shameless whore."
I know it's a lot to ask, but christ almighty... and people wonder why i'm pushing for third party.
The Democrats have no spine at all, and if they get my vote it will be not out of support for them and their "cause" (or lack thereof) but for pure loathing of the Republican Party.
greyzone2 @ 47:
He did learn his lesson and passed it on. Obama has said it was a point Kerry repeated over and over - respond fast and hit back hard whenever they try to lie about or smear you.
Snowball @ 50:
"Licking boots", not hardly, but "kissing ass" I can see..
It's time for Bob Sheiffer to retire, in my opinion.
Twice in the span of one week he has raised his eyebrows and expressed astonishment that anyone might critize his idol - John McCain.
This is not neutral news. Bob Schieffer wants McCain to win.
This old guy ought to be driven off the mainstream airwaves
constituent@46
There are all kinds of reasons and ways to take out McCain, the real question is where is the soul of the democratic party? Kerry, Clinton, hell even Carter sold out the platform...when will democrats stop being timid and speak up for the people?
Robert @ 54:
Just one of many, many who should be, not driven, but "kicked off" of the airwaves.
kcw @ 55:
maybe never but certainly not until k-street shrinks down....there are around 30-40k lobbyists in the beltway area........part of the problem is were always at war. guess who the war party is......so they always play that card...but first they tell were compassionate and against nation building....we can complain we need to get this guy elected he is trying to hang in there with every move he has....he is going against big power and money oil,ind.military complex just to name two. now maliki came out today he wants the u.s. to have a timetable.....they want us out also...i hope this media attention...the u.n. mandate was for us to be out by the end of the yr. i believe....bush nor mccain want to get out....they're making big money
Whoever is keeping track of the corporate media bias, add Scheiffer (R) to the list.
There should be no fake outrage about Sheiffer's question. If you believe that McCain is changing his positions for political expediency he does therefore lack integrity.
dadams @ 8:
a perfect waste of honey.
El Cid @ 14:
Damn! I almost choked on my candy.
I Like Pie @ 16:
precisely!
ya know @ 32:
the is two weeks in a row that bullshit bob has tried to inpugn a democrat in defense of McC*nt. His "alright"s really sounded like he had to be resigned to the facts that Kerry was bringing forth as Kerry ignored bullshit bob's attempts to interrupt.
Robert @ 54:
the people who have bullshit bob in place will select an equally shitty or worse replacement. but you already know that.
Sen. KERRY: There are very few people who walk around
and say, `Going into Iraq was the right thing to do and we should’ve done it. I’d do it again if I had the chance.’ John McCain does. John McCain believes this was the right decision.
SCHIEFFER: Ehh, heh, heh, now, Senator, be nice. [Off camera to producers: You told him not to say these things, right? He has the contract, right?]
Sen. KERRY: I just came back from the Middle East. I just met with the king of Saudi Arabia. I met with President Mubarak of Egypt. I met with others. You know what they said to me? They said, `You, America, have served up to Iran, Iraq on a platter.’ They are outraged by this sort of, you know, ineptitude of what has been done by those who decided it was smart to go into Iraq.
SCHIEFFER: Stop talking, Senator. I want to change the subject.
Sen. KERRY: Ok.
SCHIEFFER: Are you now saying that John McCain, war hero John McCain, champion of all things righteous John McCain . . . . . . is a bad man?
Sen. KERRY: I’m challenging Senator McCain’s judgment, his judgment that says there’s no violence history between Sunni and Shia. That’s wrong. His judgment that says this is going to increase the stability of the Middle East. It hasn’t. It’s made it less stable. The judgment that says this will, quote “This will be the best thing for America and the world in a long time.”
SCHIEFFER: Uh, yeah, I get it. Stop talking.
Sen. KERRY: It’s the worst thing that we’ve done in a long time-----
SCHIEFFER: Yeah, we all heard you, stop it already!
Sen. KERRY: -----And he’s turned his eye away from Afghanistan and al-Qaeda and made America less safe-------
SCHIEFFER: All right already, Senator, I've had about enough!
Sen. KERRY: -----That’s dangerous for our country------
SCHIEFFER: Jesus H. Fernando Mother Fucking Michael Palin Christ on a Pogo Stick, Senator, when I cut you off, stop fucking talking! You got it?! These are the Unmentionables, Senator, the Unmentionables! We told you about them in the green room before the show! Shut! The! Fuck! Up!
Bah..... this isn't a big deal. I think it is a fair question. Kerry is saying that McCain has changed his tune on everything. That he had one message as senator and a new message as presidential candidate which is completely different. Kerry *is* questioning his integrity. He is saying that McCain is saying whatever it takes to get him elected - including things that he has previously condemned. That brings his integrity into question.
And what I saw was a full two minutes of Kerry saying exactly that, interrupted by Sheiffer's question, followed up by 30 seconds of Kerry saying nothing except basically "No, I am questioning his judgement" in various situations.
Everyone that has questioned McCain's judgement has beeen accused of questioning his service/integrity. Bob asked Kerry that question directly - which I think was the right thing to do and gave Kerry the opportunity to address that then and there.
Perhaps we are all so scarred from the obvious bias we see all the time in virtually all media outlets but this seems a bit 'knee-jerk' to me.
Like the above poster, I would like to see the conversation both before and after this snippet to get a better feel for the overall tone of the interview.
just my .02.
Carry on.
Bob Schieffer is pretty even and fair. He often hits the nail on the head.
What's wrong with asking whether Kerry is questioning McCain's integrity? We're so afraid to call a lie a lie. Someone who looks at the mess in Iraq and still says they're proud of what we've done and would do it again in a heartbeat has no integrity. And there's quite a few who say that knowing what we know now, they'd still go charging into Iraq. If they really believe that, then their judgment should be questioned. However, if they're just covering their poor judgment, then they have no integrity.
I haven't read all the posts here, but to those agreeing with the post here _ and to the poster _ take a chill pill.
First off, based on this approx. 2 minute 45 second clip, Sen. Kerry spoke about 2 minutes and 30 seconds of that time. That's incredible amount for someone to speak on camera in a spot situation. Second, I'm not sure you folks understand journalism. The job of the reporter, or anchor, in this case isn't to agree with whom he or she is interviewing, but to probe motives and intentions of answers. And, also, to be contrarian _ not combative _ at times.
In this case, Schieffer, who's a very good journalist, asked a good, intelligent question to Kerry in terms of why he's describing his longtime Senate colleague John McCain in that manner. Schieffer didn't attack Kerry and said he impugned McCain, but asked whether he's questioning McCain's integrity. Integrity is essentially an individual's moral soundness or having a consistent framework of principles. Based on what Kerry said, he really did question McCain's integrity and rightly so because McCain doesn't have any principles anymore. Kerry also gave a good response to Schieffer's question.
We should take some time to understand what a reporter is saying or asking in certain situations and the context he's asking it in. We've become way to kneejerk toward the MSM in terms of where they lie on the political spectrum or who they favor. The MSM has a lot of faults, but we're falling into a trap of automatically shutting down and taking the slightest offense to everything they say.
In this case _ Schieffer's interview with Kerry _ it is unjustified.
I sent an email to Scheiffer at Face the Nation and asked him exactly what makes the act of flying a jet and getting shot down a qualification to be president? He never replied.
Kerry should have responded:
"Are you questioning my integrity that I can't question McCain's integrity?"
The media are siding with McCain because they don't want Obama to get to far ahead in the polls. A close race is better for ratings. If Obama gets too popular it might lead to rising expectations among the public. McCain can drag the level of debate down to level of fifth graders which is also good.
GuyCybershy @ 71:
it is not the ratings. that does not explain kerry and gore.
intron @ 66:
perhaps you need to see what is in front of your eyes.
You see, this is simply a process of becoming more efficient. In this case, 50% more efficient.
Previously, a journalist would be an objective facilitator who setup a discussion between two guests with opposing viewpoints. Now, with the new and improved version, you don't NEED two opposing viewpoints as the journalist can act as the opposing viewpoint instead of a wasteful additional guest.
I can see that further improvements of efficiency will be made where no guests are required and the journalist will simply tell you what opinion you should have. Odds on that Fox will be the first.
/snark.
Schieffer's just another douche bag Reich-wing tool, in a Corporate-owned media, full to overflowing, with Reich-wing douche bag tools.
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Vincennes @ 68:
Your essay could apply to almost every individual clip of this type. Each one, taken in isolation, might seem innocuous. Viewed as a whole, however, patterns emerge, and one begins to recognize biases and tactics even when they are subtle.
I do not dismiss the danger of growing paranoid, nor the ease with which we could do so. But many here have watched enough of Scheiffer's interviews -- most recently his bona fide shock that Gen. Clark would dare note that being shot down in a war does not qualify McCain to be president -- to include this clip among those that deserve our contempt.
As for journalism, we know what it is, while television personalities have long forgot. Scheiffer is actually one of the better putative journalists out there, but such is faint praise akin to recognizing that he is one of the world's taller midgets.
The MSM is owned by the same corporations who build the bombs we use for illegal occupation of countries that pose absolutely no threat to our welfare and safety. The must protect the profits of the military industrial complex and the fascist regime of the Bush Crime Family.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 73:
Well, since I am unable to see it, perhaps it would be instructive if you could spell it out plainly for me. If there is something wrong with my line of reasoning please point it out to me - I don't claim to be perfect so I welcome any thoughtful comments that can help me understand what is right 'in front of my eyes'.
Shieffer just want the old guy to get in, so Shieffer will look young by comparison!
Karen @ 65:
That was funny and probably closer to what happened!!
Your McCain Media schtick is a joke.
I've seen the media go in the tank for Obama and kiss his ass just as much as seen them do for McCain.
Sounds like a shill whiner to me.
samdog @ 2:
You're a prick! Congratulations.
This is a bit off subject; My husband had the opportunity to speak with former Congressman Douglas "Pete" Peterson (D) who served as Ambassador to Vietnam from 1997-2001. He was a POW in Vietnam for over six years and lived in the cell next to John McCain in Hanoi. During the conversation with my husband, Ambassador Peterson expressed his outrage over the direction the US has taken including the use of torture. I wish he could speak out in support of Obama and put this whole military/POW thing in the proper perspective. Unfortunately he now lives in Australia with his Australian Vietnamese wife.
If only John Kerry had crashed four planes, made propaganda films for the enemy, and consistently voted against the troops... then perhaps the 'librul' media would have treated him like a war hero too.
whats wrong with challenging someones integrity?
They should let Senator Kerry go after Senator McCain on this sort of thing as much as possible. If anyone accuses Senator Kerry of attacking Senator McCain's war record, Senator Kerry can say "Excuse me? About 2004 ..."
Get used to this.It's going to get worse.For some sick twisted reason the media seems to want McCain as our next president.
Fuck this war hero BS.He has no viable plan for economy.He is 20 years behind in Technology.I don't want a president who doesn't know how to use a computer.Oh yeah,he likes war and Joe Lieberman (can we get rid of this dumb asshole already)
I am also tired of age discrimination in our country.I believe you should be able to hold any job as long as you want to.I being in my 50's have seen age discrimination.
There is however one job yes one job where I want age discrimination-That is President of the USA. 72 is too old to have the most pressurerized job on the planet.
65 should be the cut off age.MCcain is too old to have this job
If at all possible, we as citizens of this country have to demand that we be given excess to our media.
If we have to demand that the American people be given an un-tampered with network that we the people can count on to provide real media coverage that will be unbiased, truthful and honest .
It is simply dangerous to continue on with this right wing media mess, that these ass holes have subjected all of us too.
We have seen just how dangerous this shit can be with Katrina and this illegal war in Iraq.
It is fruitless to continue thinking that any of these stupid greedy bastards that also live high on the hog, along with their super rich bosses, who are hell bent on carrying out this evil, sick agenda, they have subjected the people of this country to put up with.
What this old sick greedy bastard is saying to Kerry is business as usual and at this point something we can all expect from all of these jack asses.
Through our tax returns, each year, we could all donate $5. to pay for a network station that can be carried all across this country for every citizen to be able to view, all our important information. We could have a board of private citizens that answer to only the average citizens, by votes, when any changes are necessary, and not one of these stupid ass holes could have any kind of excess.
We should all be so dame sick and tired of these six biggots, controlling our agenda and simply fu-king up our process for their own political and financial gains.
We have one of the most important elections in the history of this country comming up in Nov, and this dame media and the cheap right win ass holes that have screwed us more times then any of us could ever stand are still holding the cards, with these bastards, plastered all over our national networks, with the blessing of these equally ignorant FCC, Chairman and his gang of hinchmen, that carry out ever wish of the GOP..
Many of us are woke now, so dammet, folks, wake all the way up.
I will nickname Bob Scheiffer "Money Shot," because he's still wearing Dick Cheney's Iraq propaganda cum all over his face.
Aren't you ever going to wipe that off, Bob?
jimbo9107...your right on guy! Unfortunately, most of the media is republican biased and I'm not to sure its legal, certainly not ethical, to have journalist as biased as Scheiffer, Andrea Mitchell, John Roberts and not to mention Meredith Vieria. I was so outaged at Meredith's attack/treatment of Senator Obama that I called NBC to complain...and I'm a registered republican. I'll never vote republican again, but I certainly made my concerns known. Perhaps its time MoveOn.orgargainzed form a call-in, mail-in, email campaign to news media executives...and to the advertisers who support biased journalist. Let me get a petition from MY companies customers/clients and they have MY UNDIVIDED ATTENTION ! I'll fire everyone who's creatining their problem, beacuse the customer/client is the LIFE BLOOD of any business. I think we are at the time to march on DC, news media offices and major advertiseres. I am ready to walk in the front of the line and identify myslef as a DISGUSTED REPUBLICAN for real change...not a 're-do" to correct the mistaes of the last 7 years.
As far as I'm concerned, our MSM never ceases to disappoint. I have always liked Scheiffer, but just like everyone else in the media, he seems to love that John McCain, and seems just incredulous that anyone would question the guy's judgement. I'm increasingly convinced that our MSM will ultimately be responsible for killing our democracy.
First--MSM? Males who have sex with males??? lol...acronym soup is delicious..but what do you mean by it?
GREAT comments here--and loved Karen's spoof. The sacrosanct angel of McSame must never be challenged or his brain might explode, causing him to utter expletives. (Can't wait--bound to happen).
But Shieffer is one of the SHEEP of the media, not its wolves. And so, like a fly caught in the web of the steaming voracious piles of SHIT, lies and nothing that are spewed loudly from the parapets of Fox etc., the noise gets undeserved attention and then the "moderates" like Schieffer feel they must give a nod to it. They don't realize they also buy into all the underlying Rovian nonsense that accepts as de facto notions like "McCain is a hero" or other propaganda. They refuse to evaluate their premises going in to an interview.
The motivations for this refusal are the usual: cowardice, blindness, fear of change, greed, avarice for power.
Obama has been increasingly caught in this web, trying to appease the PERCEPTION of the masses foisted on us by brickheads like Limbaugh and their ilk. So he turned in his spine, bought the bullshit and started tacking right. But that's not a particular surprise for democrats, sadly, as they fall for the ersatz "authority" of the bluster, swagger and bullshit of the repugnican scum that run the show.
Eh. End of an empire in its last despicable fits of inhumanity--I suspect things will get MUCH worse--and we may well be on our collective way out. Too many humans gobbling up the planet.
LOL..starting with "MSM" I'll end with Heterosexuality on an Overpopulated planet is a Psychosocial Disorder.
When you think of the Battle Cry by the GOP that everyone should look at this ex-Vietnam pilot who served as a POW for 5 years as a hero, doesn't it scare you that there is another nation of warriors (in growing numbers) who might be looking at these POW's in Gitmo as heroes too.
The Pentagon/Bush do not see beyond their own hypocritical. self-absorbing noses and it's rhetoric like this that can hurt them.
That's disappointing. I expected better of Schieffer.
Schieffer is probably thinking, " That's enough already. How do I shut Kerry up before what's left of McCain's supporters start believing him?"
wisedup @ 20:
Yep, that's the way it is. Tired of the status quo? PLEASE, exercise your one, and only power here: TURN IT OFF.
Thanks, C&L, because without these clips, I would have zero insight into how low the MSM has sunk. To me, these teevee stations don't exsist..........period.
I watched this interview. Kerry made some good points. I thought Schieffers' question about whether Kerry was questioning the integrity of McCain's came out of no where... it did not fit into the context of the intereview.... seemed strange to me... maybe Schieffer was just trying to make some news......
And by the way there is no problem with someone questioning the integrity of McCain... it should be questioned given all his bullshit flip flops.... McCain's savings & loans issues significantly called into question is integrity... he is for campaign finance reforms, but then doesn't actually follow what he preaches....
There does not seem to be a problem about the media and the Republicans questioning the integrity of Obama... they have called him unAmerican and just about everything else under the sun... ridiculous..
The CMSM is part of the Military Industrial Complex, it is propaganda that supports wars. It is not to be trusted, it has no integrity just like John McCain. Kerry is a truth teller in a sewer of misinformation.
Joe! @ 82:
When did you miss the fact that McCain wrecked 4 other planes (other than the one he was shot down in) and one of them a civilian plane. With that much plain plane smoke, there must be a fire, don't you think?
I used to think Schieffer wasn't a paid hack. It turns out I was wrong. How sad.
Jason Miles @ 87:
If federal gov't employees have mandatory retirement at the age of 65, why not politicians?
Snowball @ 25:
I absolutely agree. Kerry is in a perfect spot in the election. He is a straight talker who backs up what he says with facts and sensible solutions, unlike the candidates who try to say "nothings" in a way to avoid criticism from either side. Also having Kerry talk about McCain's positions can always be compared to the horrible treatment Kerry received.
Where the hell was THIS John Kerry in 2004?
Wouldn't John Kerry be a great VP choice. He's been vetted in the past presidential campaign. He can't be swiftboated this time because that opens the door for the Democrats to swiftboat McCain without the MSM going "tsk, tsk". He has vast experience in Congress, a storied heroic military record that pales McCain's and would balance out Obama's foreign policy shortcomings.
brantl @ 99:
Additionally, many of his fellow service members blame him for the incident on the Forrestal that not only cost the military a multi-million dollar plane but the lives of hundreds of his fellow service men. He was transferred to another aircraft carrier even before the death toll was finished on the Forrestal!!
Schieffer is nothing but a tool. I think his whimpering about McCain is revealing. Toss him and that Mitchell bonehead at MSNBC in the same sorry journalist barrel...preferably at the bottom.
Hey Schieffer, maybe if you did your homework as a professional journalist should, you wouldn't end up as the stuttering old fool that you appear to be here. If that's too hard, I'm sure Fox News has a spot for you.
Bob will, ultimately, show his bias towards the republican candidate like any newscaster making millions in salary and with a sizable portfolio. He like, the others, are afraid of a democrat being in control of taxes. This is how they will win. Scare everyone by the thought of "increased taxes". Its the taxes stupid!
WHY DON'T WE "YOU" ALL JUST KNOCK OFF THE PRETENTIOUS HORSESHIT AND DISCUSS ISSUES REALISTICALLY?
THE MEDIA IS OWNED BY FASCIST CORPORATE PRICKS WHO WANT THEIR PEOPLE IN THE WHITEHOUSE SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO FLEESE AMERICA'S MIDDLE CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that simple.
damn . . . was supposed to be hillary and obama blew their script -- wake the fuck up so we can have a constructive dialogue that will educate and bring people into the altruistic loop -- otherwise we're pissing in the friggin wind.
you all just don't want to face/admit the truth or you're really so dumb that you beleive everything is legit and there's no agenda to restructure amerika?
christ!
um . . . "fleece"
Johnny @ 105:
That's BS. About 10:50 (local time) on the 29th, while preparations for a second strike were being made near 19?9'5?N, 107?23'5?E,3 an unguided 5-inch Mk-32 "Zuni" rocket, one of four contained in a LAU-10 underwing rocket pod mounted on a F-4 Phantom II, was accidentally fired due to an electrical power surge during the switch from external power to internal power. The rocket flew across the flight deck, striking a wing-mounted external fuel tank on an A-4 Skyhawk, either Aircraft No. 405 piloted by LCDR Fred D. White1 or No. 416 piloted by future Arizona Senator, LCDR John McCain,4 which were waiting to launch.3 The warhead's safety mechanism prevented it from detonating, but the impact tore the tank off the wing and ignited the resulting spray of pressurized fuel, causing an instantaneous conflagration. The heat caused additional fuel tanks to overheat, rupture and spew volatile jet fuel onto the deck, feeding the flames. Huge gusts of fire shot into the air along the flight deck, trapping pilots in their aircraft with no recourse but to escape through the flames or be incinerated in their cockpits. LCDR Fred D. White, waiting to launch in Aircraft No. 405, leaped out of his burning Skyhawk in an attempt to escape the inferno, but was killed instantly (along with many firefighters) by the cooking-off of the first bomb. LCDR Herbert A. Hope of VA-46 (and operations officer of CVW-17) jumped out of the cockpit of his Skyhawk between explosions, rolled off the flight deck and into the starboard man-overboard net. Making his way down below to the hangar deck, he gallantly took command of a firefighting team. "The port quarter of the flight deck where I was" he recalled, "is no longer there."3 With his aircraft surrounded by flames, McCain escaped by climbing out of the cockpit, walking down the nose and jumping off the refueling probe. The impact of the Zuni on the initially-struck aircraft had also dislodged two of the 1000-lb bombs, which lay in the burning fuel. The fire teams chief, Gerald Farrier (without benefit of protective clothing) immediately drenched the bombs with a PKP fire extinguisher in an effort to knock down the fuel fire long enough to allow the pilots to escape. According to their training, the fire team normally had almost three minutes to reduce the temperature of the bombs to a safe level, but the chief did not realize the bombs were already critically close to cooking-off until one split open. The chief, knowing a lethal explosion was imminent, shouted for the fire team to withdraw but the bomb exploded seconds later.citation needed One minute and 34 seconds after the impact and initial fire, and with the on-deck firefighting teams still actively battling the blaze, a 1000-lb. "Comp. B" bomb cooked off from the heat of the flames and exploded underneath McCain's plane; the force destroyed the aircraft (along with its remaining fuel and armament), blew a smoking crater in the armored flight deck, and sprayed the deck and crew with shrapnel and burning jet fuel. The explosion killed the entire on-deck firefighting contingent, with the exception of 3 men who managed to survive with critical injuries. The two bomb-laden A-4s in line ahead of McCain's were riddled with shrapnel from the explosion and engulfed in the flaming JP-5 jet fuel still spreading over the deck, causing more bombs to detonate and more fuel to spill. Exhausted crewmembers in front of what remains of a row of F-4B Phantoms that were parked along the starboard stern quarter.Nine bomb explosions on the flight deck occurred, eight caused by the "Comp. B" bombs and the ninth occurred as a sympathetic detonation between an old bomb and a newer H6 bomb. The explosions tore large holes in the armored flight deck, causing flaming jet fuel to drain into the interior of the ship, including the living quarters directly underneath the flight deck, and the below-decks aircraft hangar. Sailors and Marines brought the flames under control on the flight deck by 1215, although they continued to clear smoke and to cool hot steel on the 02 and 03 levels until they reported all fires under control by 1342, and finally declared the fire defeated at 0400 the next morning, due to additional flare-ups.3 Throughout the day the ship?s medical staff worked in dangerous conditions to assist their comrades. HM2 Paul Streetman, one of 38 corpsmen assigned to the carrier, spent over 11 hours on the mangled flight deck tending to his shipmates. The large number of casualties quickly overwhelmed the ship?s Sick Bay staff, and Forrestal was escorted by USS Henry W. Tucker (DD-875) to rendezvous with hospital ship USS Repose (AH-16) at 2054, allowing the crew to begin transferring the dead and wounded at 2253.3.
You really should check the facts before posting.
Johnny @ 105:
RE: the USS Forrestal , if McCain did " wet start " his plane causing 167 ( ? ) deaths , 74 ( ? ) wounded and untold millions of dollars of damage , I would think that alone would be enough to disqualify him as POTUS as he should of been court marshalled .
Corpo media execs and mid-level flaks like Schieffer love McCain because what remains unspoken politically is that he will indeed be a third term Bush regarding FCC policies to hand de facto ownership of public communication to them through deregulation, legislation and consolidation.
Scheiffer is at it again. He has proven himself lately to be shamelessly biased in favor of John McCain. He should be fired.
Gosh, I didn't know until now that Bob Schiefer sucks.
Bob Schiefer sucks.
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